[Merged]I Went To A Truther Meet Up.../ Truth Comes To Savannah!

[Walter Ego]

I was curious if there were any organized truthers in my neck of the woods so I used the Google and found a nascent truther group forming here in Savannah though they seem to be off to a slow start:

WE WILL BE HANDING OUT LITERATURE AND DVD'S DOWNTOWN.

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008, 11:30

http://9-11.meetup.com/381/

Recent Meetings
Sun Jan 27, 7:00 PM Savannah 9/11 Meet Up 2 attended (EST.)


(Estimated two people at their last meeting? Was it that hard to count?)

Anyway, I was wondering if I should show up with my video camera and ask questions. Not being as schooled as Gravy and others in debunking debating points, I wouldn’t try to challenge them too directly but I might try the Jon Ronson faux-naif approach which might produce some interesting results.

[CFLarsen]

Of course you should. Document what you can.

Surely, the trooters can't object to that.....can they?

[Dave Rogers]

Of course you should. Document what you can.

Definitely take the video camera, and take lots of notes. Dress well - a dark suit and dark necktie are acceptable anywhere. It's probably quite sunny in Savannah, so remember to wear sunglasses. I'm sure you'll be given a warm welcome.

Dave

[Walter Ego]

Of course you should. Document what you can.

Surely, the trooters can't object to that.....can they?

Tuesday, Feb 12, 2008, 11:30 AM

Factors Walk Park
Bay Street
Savannah, GA 31401

http://9-11.meetup.com/381/calendar/7214837/


I was wondering where the hell they would be at but they’ve updated the meet up info and four people have signed up. If the weather’s nice I’ll drop by to say hello and to ‘ask questions’ if not to ‘demand answers.’

I will not take the Robert Mitchum approach (hee, hee):

http://i32.tinypic.com/wrhoxz.jpg

Robert Mitchum leaning into Gregory Peck's car at Factors Walk, Savannah, Ga., from 'Cape Fear' (1960)

[HeyLeroy]

Definitely take the video camera, and take lots of notes. Dress well - a dark suit and dark necktie are acceptable anywhere. It's probably quite sunny in Savannah, so remember to wear sunglasses. I'm sure you'll be given a warm welcome.

Dave

You should also bring an MP3 player, in case things get boring. But as you wouldn't want to miss anything, remember to just wear the one ear-bud.

[CurtC]

It will truly be midnight in the garden of good and evil.

[nicepants]

Might be helpful to have someone with you to worry about the camera while you worry about your questions & notes. I'd recommend printing off a list of the most common truther claims with rebuttals, when truthers hit the streets like this they tend to resort to many of the heavily-debunked claims for some reason.

[CurtC]

How about printing off a bunch of sheets of paper, each with a picture like these, and putting them in a folder:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/kikapurider/FAIL.jpg http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/kikapurider/FAIL2.jpg

Then after you talk to each truther, you tell him that you have something for him, and hand him one of the sheets.

[dudalb]

Worst thing to hit Savannah since Sherman came through.....

[Walter Ego]

**bump**

This event is tomorrow and I’m a bit conflicted about showing up. The main problem is that I’m visiting family in Augusta right now and it’s a two-and-a-half hour drive to Savannah (rural state highways, no interstate) and I’d have to leave after breakfast to make it by 11:30am and I’d have to return the same day or cut short the family visit.

The other problem is that it looks like only four people tops will be there and despite my internet persona I don’t like mocking or arguing with people in public, especially strangers (we’re raised that way Down South).

On the other hand, it would be fun to meet some real life truthers… and they’re giving away free DVDs! :D

P.S. to CurtC

Loved the picture of the container ship. You see those ships quite often on the Savannah riverfront.

[CFLarsen]

**bump**

This event is tomorrow and I’m a bit conflicted about showing up. The main problem is that I’m visiting family in Augusta right now and it’s a two-and-a-half hour drive to Savannah (rural state highways, no interstate) and I’d have to leave after breakfast to make it by 11:30am and I’d have to return the same day or cut short the family visit.

The other problem is that it looks like only four people tops will be there and despite my internet persona I don’t like mocking or arguing with people in public, especially strangers (we’re raised that way Down South).

On the other hand, it would be fun to meet some real life truthers… and they’re giving away free DVDs! :D

P.S. to CurtC

Loved the picture of the container ship. You see those ships quite often on the Savannah riverfront.

If only 4 people show up, that's really worth documenting!

[Tweeter]

**bump**

This event is tomorrow and I’m a bit conflicted about showing up. The main problem is that I’m visiting family in Augusta right now and it’s a two-and-a-half hour drive to Savannah (rural state highways, no interstate) and I’d have to leave after breakfast to make it by 11:30am and I’d have to return the same day or cut short the family visit.

The other problem is that it looks like only four people tops will be there and despite my internet persona I don’t like mocking or arguing with people in public, especially strangers (we’re raised that way Down South).

On the other hand, it would be fun to meet some real life truthers… and they’re giving away free DVDs! :D

P.S. to CurtC

Loved the picture of the container ship. You see those ships quite often on the Savannah riverfront.

awwww.. Walter doesnt like mocking or arguing in public.
He just likes to be internet tough guy. Other than gravy, Id guess to say that would be the norm around these parts.

[Walter Ego]

If only 4 people show up, that's really worth documenting!


Well, it's a newly formed group, baby truthers as it were. Their first meeting was in January and, according to them, an 'estimated two people' showed up. Yeah, that's what they said. Would it have been that hard to count heads?

Most of the Savannah truthers are Ron Paul supporters from what I can find out. The Paul troops seemed well organized down here. There were slews of Ron Paul signs on the roads both in Savannah and Augusta before the Georgia primary.

[fuelair]

They lack marketing skills - two people should be described as "a small but enthusiastic crowd enjoyed our first program!!"

[fuelair]

and, of course, after the second meeting "We doubled our audience - our message is expanding rapidly and powerfully!!

[PhantomWolf]

awwww.. Walter doesnt like mocking or arguing in public.
He just likes to be internet tough guy. Other than gravy, Id guess to say that would be the norm around these parts.

Well if there were any truthers around here and I was bored I'd be sure to go hassle them, but since out of the 40k people in my city there are a grand total of 0 active truthers, I'm out of luck. But hey, last Sept they did manage to get 15 together in a city of over a million so who knows.....

[iAmerican]

...I don’t like mocking or arguing with people in public, especially strangers (we’re raised that way Down South)...

"Raised that way" if you're trying to emulate "Castillian" Richmonders in the W***e of the South.

Actual Southerners are the heart and soul of America and the backbone and blood of the Army and Marine Corps. The South speaks proud and openly because they know the stock that created America is strongest and truest there.

Also true Southerners don't kowtow to the 9-11-committing Fifth Column traitors who killed John and Martin to send us to die in Rome's Vietnam, now led by the draft-dodging closet-queen cheated into the White House by only the Roman Catholics' votes on the Supreme Court.

P.S. Don't we all know where Savannah got its nickname and why Roman Catholic altarboy WT Sherman, and his column of papists, was never its enemy?

[JamesB]

Richard Gage is coming to town, I am considering saying hello, along with a few questions I have...

[CFLarsen]

Well, it's a newly formed group, baby truthers as it were. Their first meeting was in January and, according to them, an 'estimated two people' showed up. Yeah, that's what they said. Would it have been that hard to count heads?

When it comes to trooters....don't you think that question answers itself? ;)

[SezMe]

Actual Southerners are the heart and soul of America and the backbone and blood of the Army and Marine Corps. The South speaks proud and openly because they know the stock that created America is strongest and truest there.
Damn, I hear the fife and drum corps marching down my street right now.

[Wildy]

"Raised that way" if you're trying to emulate "Castillian" Richmonders in the W***e of the South.

Actual Southerners are the heart and soul of America and the backbone and blood of the Army and Marine Corps. The South speaks proud and openly because they know the stock that created America is strongest and truest there.

Also true Southerners don't kowtow to the 9-11-committing Fifth Column traitors who killed John and Martin to send us to die in Rome's Vietnam, now led by the draft-dodging closet-queen cheated into the White House by only the Roman Catholics' votes on the Supreme Court.

P.S. Don't we all know where Savannah got its nickname and why Roman Catholic altarboy WT Sherman, and his column of papists, was never its enemy?

You really seem to hate Catholics iAmerican. What did Roman Catholics ever do to you?

Oh yeah, no true Scotsman likes honey on his porridge.

[Par]

Walter doesnt like mocking or arguing in public...


Tweeter! The truth comes to Savannah. It's just like you say! “The truth is out there!”

[Walter Ego]

And all I got was this lousy 9-11 deception dollar. :-(

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_2284547b237980467e.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10773)


Three people showed up. There was a middle-aged fellow by himself for a while who I actually had an interesting conversation with about the twin towers and Bld7 which, stupidly, I thought I was recording but I wasn’t. Two young people showed up a little later including a girl who kept shouting ‘termite’ (A Ron Paul supporter as it turned out unsurprisingly.)

The older gent and I (in the unrecorded conversation) went over Bld7 which he did not know was severely damaged by falling debris and he kept insisting there were only fires on two floors. He didn’t know the FDNY expected the building to collapse and had measured it dangerously leaning with a transit. He didn't know it was buildt over a ConEd substation, either. (He did know the BBC reported the collaspe before it happened, though.) He was also confused about the construction of the twin towers thinking it was a standard concrete and steel building.

I have over fifty minutes of video out of which I might get a ten minute YouTube production though I might have to put subtitles on some of the dialogue as it’s hard to hear over the traffic noise.

(There was one odd thing I didn’t notice until I reviewed the footage later, however. There was a shop directly across the street from the meet up called ‘Psychic Sensations.’ Was that just weird or just appropriate?)

[Quad4_72]

And all I got was this lousy 9-11 deception dollar. :-(

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_2284547b237980467e.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10773)


Three people showed up. There was a middle-aged fellow by himself for a while who I actually had an interesting conversation with about the twin towers and Bld7 which, stupidly, I thought I was recording but I wasn’t. Two young people showed up a little later including a girl who kept shouting ‘termite’ (A Ron Paul supporter as it turned out unsurprisingly.)

The older gent and I (in the unrecorded conversation) went over Bld7 which he did not know was severely damaged by falling debris and he kept insisting there were only fires on two floors. He didn’t know the FDNY expected the building to collapse and had measured it dangerously leaning with a transit. He didn't know it was buildt over a ConEd substation, either. (He did know the BBC reported the collaspe before it happened, though.) He was also confused about the construction of the twin towers thinking it was a standard concrete and steel building.

I have over fifty minutes of video out of which I might get a ten minute YouTube production though I might have to put subtitles on some of the dialogue as it’s hard to hear over the traffic noise.

(There was one odd thing I didn’t notice until I reviewed the footage later, however. There was a shop directly across the street from the meet up called ‘Psychic Sensations.’ Was that just weird or just appropriate?)


I would enjoy watching the footage. Since now all there is to watch are reruns of gravy's debunkings lol.

[krelnik]

Two young people showed up a little later including a girl who kept shouting ‘termite’ (A Ron Paul supporter as it turned out unsurprisingly.)

A new troother theory emerges: the buildings were actually brought down by termite damage. Call Orkin!

[Drudgewire]

Three people showed up.
:dl:

[Walter Ego]

I would enjoy watching the footage. Since now all there is to watch are reruns of gravy's debunkings lol.


I’ll get up what video is usable in a few days. The main problem with the video is the audio. The truthers chose the busiest and noisiest street in Savannah to meet on so the dialogue is hard to make out. Oddly, not one of them brought a video camera. Don’t they know the importance of YouTube to the ‘truth’ movement?

[Walter Ego]

A new troother theory emerges: the buildings were actually brought down by termite damage. Call Orkin!


Actually, she was saying ‘thermite.’ My spell check turned it into ‘termite' and I didn’t notice the error.

[Walter Ego]

"We had a problem with the location to initially get together--my faulty (DT). But then once together Josh gave out WeAreChange brochures, Deception Dollars, Sarah's DVD compilation and laminated Truth Cards while Sarah and David flashed Truth signage to all the cars along Bay St. We had one impromptu joinee with a digicam although mainly he just wanted to ask us questions. But he keep the conversation lively. One young waitress from Tony Roma's ran across the st. and thanked us, then asked for info to join the group. Young people--very interested. Older people--totally couldn't believe we would question our "country." Funniest people were on the tour buses lost in some historical fantasy then getting sort of wide-eyed at our signs and Sarah's piercings and tattoos. Love it!"


http://9-11.meetup.com/381/calendar/7214837/


I'm the 'impromptu joinee' he mentions. He was actually a pretty nice fellow despite his exasperation when I expressed doubt about some of his assertions.

[krelnik]

A new troother theory emerges: the buildings were actually brought down by termite damage. Call Orkin!

Actually, she was saying ‘thermite.’ My spell check turned it into ‘termite' and I didn’t notice the error.

Ah, well. It's not like the troothers have any shortage of equally absurd theories.

[Walter Ego]

I’ve finally got up the videos of the newly formed Savannah 9-11 Truth group (background here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=106235)) who congregated (all three of them) downtown on Bay St. on February 12. The audio and video quality are not great due to technical problems beyond my control but there’s lots of good interaction between me and the truthers.

The group’s organizer DT (David T.), featured in the first video, was the first to arrive. He was a good sport despite getting exasperated at some of my questions.

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The two younger truthers , Josh and Sarah, arrived later and are in the second video. Sarah was a real trip and provides the best moments. (I liked the way she pronounced ‘Cheney’ as ‘Chee-nee.’)

There are lots of classic truther moments here. Enjoy.

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[Garb]

Ugh, is there some point in listening to Conspiracy theories when you just get terribly annoyed at the points they try to make?

I think I might have crossed it.

[Walter Ego]

You couldn't get a good look at Sarah because of the poor image quality in the video. Here's a picture of her at the meet up that she published online. Looks like she's standing in the traffic. Oh, my!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_2284547b52398dc907.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10823)

[Pardalis]

Did the guy in the first video say the prime ministers of Germany and Italy volunteered?

[Walter Ego]

Did the guy in the first video say the prime ministers of Germany and Italy volunteered?


It's hard to hear it because of the traffic noise but he said the former prime ministers of Germany and Italy have volunteered to head a new 9-11 investigation. Have they?

[LashL]

Okay, I know that I really shouldn't laugh out loud at morons and idiots like the tinhatters in the videos because they are clearly too bloody stupid for words and too removed from reality to qualify as rational, but there does eventually come a point when one must simply stop holding in the guffaws.

So, :dl:


Nice work, Walter Ego. :)

[Pardalis]

Have they?

Not as far as I know.

[maccy]

I think he's got a typical Truther twisted version of things.

By "former German Prime Minister" I should think he means Andreas von Buelow, who was a minister but never a Prime Minister. Summed up briefly by Gravy, in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=69198), thus:


Andreas von Buelow
Discussed in these forums. Gets most of his facts completely wrong.
-------------------------------------


I couldn't find much by the way of other references until I realised that his name should be spelt von Bülow. Searching on that gives, from this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=86189), his post:


Who's who in the 911-truth movement?
[snip]

Andreas von Bülow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_von_B%C3%BClow), german lawyer, writer and ex SPD politician. Wrote The CIA and September 11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_CIA_and_September_11_%28book%29), in which he claims 911 was an inside job. Member of Scholars for 911 truth (http://www.911scholars.org/). Apparently he claims (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/210406runattack.htm) that WTC7 was the staging post for the entire attack and his theory is that the planes were remote controlled to fly into the Twin Towers, after which WTC7 was imploded to cover up the evidence.

[snip]



Ref notes in his History of 9/11 Conspiracy Theories (http://911guide.googlepages.com/history) page (and in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=86189)) that von Bülow was primarily influenced by Eric Hufschmid's Painful Questions.

The "former Italian Prime Minister" will be Francesco Cossiga, who was actually the President of the Italian Republic - a largely symbolic role, if I understand it correctly. He made a satircal statement about 9/11, by way of an attack on the left. It's discussed here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100367). He doesn't support conspiracy theories.

So, obviously Cossiga has never offered to run an investigation, and isn't going to. I'm sure that if von Bülow had offered, it would be all over Prison Planet.

[Unsecured Coins]

I am officially embarrassed to be from Georgia now.

[Walter Ego]

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I didn’t feature this young truther in the first two videos because he didn’t have much to say and what he did say didn’t make much sense. (He comes on at about 1:30. The first part is new also.)

Listening to it again, it doesn’t make much more sense. There’s something about reading news reports for counter intelligence then something about debriefing. Whatever, Josh! The only thing I did get was that as a self-described ‘military brat’ he seems to think there are no secrets at any level of rank because ‘everybody talks.’

[dudalb]

Actual Southerners are the heart and soul of America and the backbone and blood of the Army and Marine Corps. The South speaks proud and openly because they know the stock that created America is strongest and truest there.

Also true Southerners don't kowtow to the 9-11-committing Fifth Column traitors who killed John and Martin to send us to die in Rome's Vietnam, now led by the draft-dodging closet-queen cheated into the White House by only the Roman Catholics' votes on the Supreme Court.

P.S. Don't we all know where Savannah got its nickname and why Roman Catholic altarboy WT Sherman, and his column of papists, was never its enemy?

Pssssstttt....no one tell this fruitcake that John F Kennedy was a Catholic.
And Southreners have a long history of treating AMerican of African Descent Like Subhumans.
And please prove that Sherman and the Union Western Armies were Predominently Catholic.
This guy keeps getting loonier.

[CptColumbo]

Pssssstttt....no one tell this fruitcake that John F Kennedy was a Catholic.
And Southreners have a long history of treating AMerican of African Descent Like Subhumans.
And please prove that Sherman and the Union Western Armies were Predominently Catholic.
This guy keeps getting loonier.William T. Sherman's family were Episcopalian, but he was never baptized. His foster parents (his father died when he was young and left his mother with 11 kids and no money) were devout Catholics: Maria Ewing, by upbringing, and her husband Thomas by conversion. Mrs. Ewing insisted that Tecumseh Sherman be baptized by a Catholic priest. However, Sherman was never a churchgoer and he never used the name William (the name he was baptzed under).