Fox News is complaining about Clark's "inconsistencies"

[Marvel Frozen]

Strange, since they ignore "inconsistencies", obfuscation, and even outright lies by Bush.

[Sundog]

Fox never has an article that is unflattering to the right. Beats me how anyone can quote Fox as a credible news source - they aren't a news source at all, they're the unofficial propaganda wing of the Republican Party.

[hgc]

Originally posted by Sundog
Fox never has an article that is unflattering to the right. Beats me how anyone can quote Fox as a credible news source - they aren't a news source at all, they're the unofficial propaganda wing of the Republican Party. Ashcroft is working on a plan to make it official -- that's once the Republican Party is indistinguishable from the U.S. Govt.

[corplinx]

Its sort alike Howard Dean, Clark is the flavor of the month. Conflicts in his stories are news.

I think Rick Santorum and Trent Lott would disagree with Fox being the propaganda wing of the republican party. FoxNews wouldnt let the Lott issue die in fact until he was out as majority leader.

I like FoxNews...... mostly because it irritates liberals. When Brit Hume asked Dick Gephart "how has the Bush admin failed miserably?" that was good journalism and not bias. And yes, they hold people like Connie Rice to the same standard.

Without FoxNews, the only way you would ever see a politician called on to defend their rhetoric is maybe on Meet the Press.

[Sundog]

Well, I like Al Franken for the same reason, but I don't call him news.

[Clancie]

Posted by Sundog

Fox never has an article that is unflattering to the right. Beats me how anyone can quote Fox as a credible news source - they aren't a news source at all, they're the unofficial propaganda wing of the Republican Party.
True, Sundog. But, of course, what could we expect since Fox News is headed by Roger Ailes, formerly the Republican media consultant for (father) Bush?

Nor was it a surprise that Fox News also is the organization responsible for being the first to (erroneously) create the impression in 2000 that Bush had won in Florida and thereby won the general election.

Interestingly, it was the Bush cousin (and admitted supporter) John Ellis, who was assigned to help run the Fox News election desk that night--and also helped to make the decision to call Florida for his cousin. He also shared polling results with both Jeb and George behind the scenes throughout the night.


Ellis bragged about how he spent much of Election Night on the phone with his cousins talking strategies and exit-polling. Mayer deftly lets Ellis hang himself with his own self-important words:

"At 2 a.m. Ellis called his cousins and told them, 'Our projection shows that it is statistically impossible for Gore to win Florida.' It was just the three of us guys handing the phone back and forth --me with the numbers, one of them a governor, the other the president-elect. Now, that was cool."

It was also a violation of company policy. The data Ellis was reportedly swapping with the Bush camp (post-New Yorker, he now denies it) came from Voter News Service, a media-backed consortium that gathers crucial, hush-hush voting information on Election Day.

Nor is it surprising that Ailes, an obvious Bush partisan and still the head of Fox News, sent a note of advice to Karl Rove last year advising the White House on what would be effective continuing PR strategy regarding the war on terrorism.

What's that old saying? "Thick as thieves?"

Ailes, Ellis, Fox News (http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/15/ellis/index.html)

[hammegk]

Clancie, taking a salon.com article as "truth" must come easy for a person who thinks JE "talks to the dead".

[Clancie]

Actually, hammegk, if you read the article, the Ellis quote itself came from the New Yorker and is only requoted in Salon.

As for Salon, it was the quickest link, but the facts of Ellis and Fox's involvement on election eve (and the Ailes note to Rove last year) have been widely reported by many reputable sources (if you look around, too, you will easily find them).
Posted by hammegk

Clancie, taking a salon.com article as "truth" must come easy for a person who thinks JE "talks to the dead".
Ummm...well, if you read about Ailes and Ellis it is all very well documented in many many news sources. And Fox News clearly has shown bias which you have not refuted in any way and which extends right to the top management's ties to Bush...right to Ailes himself.

No, hammegk, the problem with Fox News has nothing to do with JE at all, if you take time to read a bit about it. :rolleyes:

[corplinx]

Wasn't it a Fox person who broke the Bush dui story?

Isn't it Fox every day who asks some question about Bush's slipping poll numbers?

It amazes me how people have to dismiss Fox as biased just because they do news analysis. Instead of just reporting the shrill rhetoric we have come to endure as citizens, they analyze it and frequently ask the orator to support his remarks.

When a leftist sees a fellow leftist treated this way is "Bias! Ailes! Conspiracy! Propaganda!" but when they do it to republicans or conservatives it goes unnoticed.

Some flaming democrats won't be happy until every news show is like Larry King Live.