[merge of 8 threads]Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

[dattaswami]

Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

Ans. A diabetic patient cries before a doctor to get a sweet for eating. The doctor has infinite number of sweets and he does not worry at all for giving a sweet to the patient. You are crying before God, who is the divine father (creator of all the souls) to give some wealth or to solve some problem. *Snip*

Violation of Rule 4, Copyright.

[dattaswami]

You should not misunderstand the silence of God to your prayers in your problems. Why God is careful while granting boons?The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money

The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money. Similarly, if He cancels your sins, there is no body to question Him. Then, why is He delaying in giving money to you and in removing your problems by canceling all your sins? *snip*

Violation of Rule 4, copyright

[dattaswami]

One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds

Purity means oneness. Pure gold means the single gold metal without the second metal like copper. When a single bond exists without a second bond, such single bond is called as pure love or devotion and this is the highest stage.

*snip*

Repeated violations of Rule 4, violation of copyright/spamming.

[Tricky]

Spamming (http://www.bible-discussion.com/message-board-forum/about6152.html). I predict a very short existence for you in this forum.

[dattaswami]

Corruption

Corruption is grabbing the wealth of others for the sake of comforts of one’s own body and family. The body is like a seat in the train and you, the soul, are the passenger. The family members are like just bench-mates in the same train. For the comfort of yourself and your bench-mates, if you trouble other passengers in the train, it is corruption. Life is just a matter of a short one-hour train journey. Your bench-mates will get down at their respective destinations and will not remember you thereafter. Even you will have to leave your seat and move on.

After death, you have to leave your family members, who will not recognize you in their next birth. After getting down from the train of this life, you have to face the interview with God. There he will decide if you are to be granted permanent happiness or permanent misery. *Snip*

Violation of rule 4, Copyright.

[Tricky]

More spamming (http://bibleforums.com/showthread.php?t=1309).

[dattaswami]

It is not spamming, i would like to discuss with you.

[dattaswami]

This is your personal opinion, but you have not read the post and if you have any clarification you must discuss. If one criticize with some substantial point then one can answer. Without any substantial point if somebody criticize then leave it. Several people criticized Jesus in His life time, even the priests criticized Him. But they did not come with substantial points. So if there is substantial point in the criticism then it is welcomed. *snip*

See above

[Denver]

What do you mean by 'spiritual realization'?

[Tricky]

It is not spamming, i would like to discuss with you.
Then why are you posting the exact same thing you've posted on other forums? That is called spamming, and everything you've posted so far (except for this post) has been a new thread and a repeat of what you've posted elsewhere.

[Tricky]

Yet more spamming (http://bibleforums.com/showthread.php?p=1866#post1866).

[dattaswami]

What do you mean by 'spiritual realization'?


Thank you for your interst.

Actual meaning of Moksha or spiritual realisation is liberation, now the sense can be according to the context. Suppose somebody is prisoned for him, liberation from jail is Moksha, like that it can be used in general sense. But in spiritual knowledge what is salvation. Liberation from worldly bonds is liberation. When the bond is formed with God the other bonds cannot stay. But here the point is that when the bond is formed with GOD subsequently and spontaneously the bond from the world vanishes. He is liberated from the bonds of the world as soon as the bond with God is formed. So there need not be any effort for liberation, liberation is spontaneous consequence of attachment of your self to God. Once the bond with God is formed the liberation from the world bonds is the spontaneous consequence. It is a natural consequence. There is no need of any effort for liberation. All the effort must be put only for attachment of your self to God. The more you are attached the more you are liberated from the worldly bonds. So it is a natural consequence. All the effort must be put to develop the attachment to God.

Devotion is directly proportional to the salvation. More the devotion more will be the salvation. Now for attachment of your self to God the worldly bonds will disturb. So, in the initial stage some effort must be put for liberation also. So that you will get some lone atmosphere and you will avoid the disturbance so that you can hear God. While you are hearing about God you must avoid worldly disturbance. So get rid of worldly bonds and you put effort. After hearing devotion is developed. Once the devotion is developed there is no need of any the effort for liberation. Liberation is a spontaneous consequence. Initially some little effort is need for liberation to develop devotion. So the definition of liberation in the context of spiritual knowledge is the liberation from the worldly bonds, which is a spontaneous consequence of devotion to God.

In the initial stage before the devotion is established; before the devotion is generated; knowledge is necessary. Unless you know something about Mumbai you will not have interest to reach Mumbai. In the initial stage of learning the details of God; hearing about God; the devotion is not generated in that stage little effort must be put for liberation. Once you cross that stage and devotion is generated on God then there is no need of any effort for liberation. Liberation is a spontaneous consequence of devotion.

[dattaswami]

The meaning of spam as I understand is flooding the web with junk articles, obscene posters etc, which harm individuals and the society as a whole. When spiritual knoweldge is shared for the upliftment of souls, you are opposing it!!! Are you agaist Lord?!

[Tricky]

Even your replies are spam (http://www.themonastery.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4045). You are not here to discuss. You are here to preach.

[dattaswami]

Then why are you posting the exact same thing you've posted on other forums? That is called spamming, and everything you've posted so far (except for this post) has been a new thread and a repeat of what you've posted elsewhere.


My intention is a mutual discussion. You may need knoweldge about God. But others who love God really want to disucss. If you are not interested do not read. Lord never force anything upon any body. He has given full freedom to all alike. If one wish to serve Lord and know more about Him, then Lord will expose Him self to Him who wish to know Him. If you are not interested please keep mum. Others who love God may need Him. Who are you to oppose? Are you equal to God? When Jesus preached the knoweldge, all those High preist and Jews opposed Him without any discussion or logic. They quickly concluded that Jesus was fake and they crucified Him without any reason. Since they crucified Him without any reason Jesus rose up and proved that He is the Lord to those petty Jews and Priest. So have patience and submissiveness, treat others also equal to your self this way you can control your ego and become dear and near to Jesus. Jesus never critisised those people, rather He loved them and prayed to Lord for saving them.
Follow Jesus.

[Tricky]

Spamming is also cutting and pasting stuff written elsewhere, and it is quite obvious that is what you are doing. Even some of your replies are cut and pasted.

I am not against Lord. Neither am I against the Flying Spaghetti Monster. As you know, His Noodliness is the one true source for upliftment of souls.

[joobz]

Even your replies are spam (http://www.themonastery.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4045). You are not here to discuss. You are here to preach.
if one spams, does one acheive coolnessment?

[dattaswami]

Lord like discussion. Jesus disucssed with those who love spiritual knoweldge. WHen He was discussion spiritual knowledge with those who love Him, His mother came in between. Jesus neglected her and told that who ever interested in the discussion of divine knoweldge is more to Him than His mother. See the impartial attitude of Lord Jesus. So be like Jesus.

[Tricky]

More spam (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977224144).

[dattaswami]

Spamming is also cutting and pasting stuff written elsewhere, and it is quite obvious that is what you are doing. Even some of your replies are cut and pasted.

I am not against Lord. Neither am I against the Flying Spaghetti Monster. As you know, His Noodliness is the one true source for upliftment of souls.

If you are not agaist Lord then you will be happy when the knoweldge about God is presented.

[dattaswami]

When one sincere devotee asked a question and when I answered you are opposing it. It shows that you are against Lord!!!

[Ladewig]

If the doctor gives you the sweet, the level of sugar may go up and the emergent treatment is also the responsibility of the same doctor. Hence the doctor will not give you the sweet. If the doctor is confident of your health, he may give the sweet. Sometimes the doctor gives the sweet and conducts the emergent treatment to show you the truth, if you are scolding the doctor to be unkind. The response of the doctor lies on his analysis of the situation and it is not the subject of the patient at all. You must have the faith in the doctor (God) that any response is for your good only and you must know that the patient is ignorant of his own real welfare.

If the real welfare of the patient is the factor that decides how prayers are answered, then the doctor should not have previously told the patient:
"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them(Mark 11:24 KJV)" and "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.(John 14:13 KJV)" and "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.(John 14:14 KJV)"

It kind of makes the doctor look like a liar. It would have been so much clearer if the doctor had said, "ask for anything you want, but I will take your real welfare in mind before I grant any requests."

[Tricky]

If you are not agaist Lord then you will be happy when the knoweldge about God is presented.
Oh I am! I am always glad to see the knowledge about our one True God, The Flying Spaghetti Monster. All this talk about Jesus is heresy.

[Tricky]

When one sincere devotee asked a question and when I answered you are opposing it. It shows that you are against Lord!!!
Well why don't you have him smite me? Does your Lord love spam?

[Ladewig]

Oh I am! I am always glad to see the knowledge about our one True God, The Flying Spaghetti Monster. All this talk about Jesus is heresy.

Blasphemer!!! Apostate!!! When I am in Heaven with the Invisible Pink Unicorn, I will look down into hell and laugh and laugh when I see you crushed under Her blessed hooves.

Dear Dattaswami, I hope you don't think this post is off topic. I have placed it here to demonstrate that there are many, many people across this globe that believe that they have knowledge of the One True God. Unfortunately, the one thing they all have in common is a lack of reasonable evidence.

If you are interested in getting the attention of the people on this board, presenting evidence is the best approach. Do you have any?

[dattaswami]

If the real welfare of the patient is the factor that decides how prayers are answered, then the doctor should not have previously told the patient:
"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them(Mark 11:24 KJV)" and "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.(John 14:13 KJV)" and "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.(John 14:14 KJV)"

It kind of makes the doctor look like a liar. It would have been so much clearer if the doctor had said, "ask for anything you want, but I will take your real welfare in mind before I grant any requests."

Thanks you for that.

Jesus told to a lower level devotee that ask it shall be given. Lord preaches according to the level and spiritual standard of the spiritual aspirant. He taught high spiritual knowledge to His disciple who love Him and sacrificed for the mission of Lord.

To them He told Luke—14:26 to 27

“If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple’’.

The above statment is applicable for those devotees who really love Him and not behind any worldly desires like getting cure, getting happiness from God etc. Lord told that above statement to those poeple who can digest the truth and still love Him practically and serve Him in His mission of divne knowledge propagation without any desire. This is the true love. You love your children without any expecation and the love is one sided. Such love should form of God.

But mostly low level devotees apporach God for fulfilling their petty worldly desires they are behind the power of Lord not for Lord. Such low level devotees who are full of selfshness; Lord told ask you will be given. That is why Jesus told you are looking for Me only for the bread.

But to His disciples He preached the true divine knoweldge which is harsh and not all people can follow. Take the case of that rich man. He was obeying all the rules of Lord, but when Jesus invited Him to serve Him and thus get salvation, he could not do that particular sacrifice for Jesus, because he was very much attached to the wealth. So he could not accept Jesus invitation.

Like wise if you want to rise in spirituality, you have to sacrifice the thing that you like most for Lord. God is the master of all and He knows your needs, why you are asking for the needs He will fulfill at the most appropriate time. Do you think you are most responsible that Lord? DO you think Jesus is irresponsible and there is a need to recommand to Lord? How you will feel when somebody come to you and recommend for your children to you?

So, first you think about Lord, who to please Him, about love Him etc. When Lord Jesus was in this world mutlitude of people surrounded Him, to all He preached in parables, so that only interested people could come to Him personally and asked about the inner meaning of the parables. All others who are just come for His power and to get some worldly needs, they simply go without asking about the inner meaning of parables. But Jesus personally explained every thing to His disciples because they loved Him more than anything in the world. They give more importance to Him than His power.

Lord knows all your needs. First you love Him and participate in His mission of divine knowedge propagation without ANY SELFISHNESS OR DESIRE. This is the way to please Him. Suffereing is only for your spiritual upliftment and introspection to change you attachment to world and other things other than God. God is the loving father, He want to see your spiritual uplifment. Medicine is needed for the dissease to cure. Your attchment to world is the disease.

[joobz]

Lord like discussion. Jesus disucssed with those who love spiritual knoweldge. WHen He was discussion spiritual knowledge with those who love Him, His mother came in between. Jesus neglected her and told that who ever interested in the discussion of divine knoweldge is more to Him than His mother. See the impartial attitude of Lord Jesus. So be like Jesus.
Are you saying we should forsake our moms?
Is this residual anger for not being breast fed?

[dattaswami]

Well why don't you have him smite me? Does your Lord love spam?

When Lord Jesus was insulted and crucifed on the cross He neglected the insult and crucification. He suffered for those who love Him. So Lord will never care for the petty insult He get here in this world. He is happy and eternally statisfied in the upper world. The insults here He enjoys like hot chilly, because He is already bored of happiness and praise in the upper world. So, you are just playing your part to make Lord enjoy!!!

[dattaswami]

Are you saying we should forsake our moms?
Is this residual anger for not being breast fed?

First of all I told that there is no need of leaving the home or family
If the home and the family are congenial to the mission by devotion
This question does not arise in your case since you are a great devotee
When the family opposes the mission, then only one has to leave home
However, I shall answer your question keeping you as a representative
For an un-matured devotee, in which case only this possibility arises
Neither God gives you such strength nor you can attain it by your effort
Such state should be spontaneous and then only the Lord is pleased.
Leave this mission, one day or other all have to separate and go
Then do you require the strength for such departure or not?
*Snip*

See above

[Hokulele]

Is this anything like Tickle-me-ElmoTM?

[Hokulele]

Spam.

[dattaswami]

Is this anything like Tickle-me-ElmoTM?

Jesus did several miracles and even gave life to a dead person. But He couldn’t save Himself from crucifixion in the end. The soldiers stated this point and mocked at Jesus. Jesus was certainly God in human form. When that is the fact, why then He did not show the power of God to control the situation against to them? There must be a message in such action, apart from God’s wish to enjoy the role of an insulted person. God is bored with continuous success and happiness and some times likes to enjoy defeat and insult also. Apart from this self-entertainment from a negative role, there is a message for the devotees also because the action of God is always multidimensional. Another aspect in suffering with insult is to enjoy the sins of His devotees personally and get them relieved from sins. Another dimension is the message given to devotees regarding the defeat occurring due to their defects.

[joobz]

First of all I told that there is no need of leaving the home or family
If the home and the family are congenial to the mission by devotion
This question does not arise in your case since you are a great devotee
When the family opposes the mission, then only one has to leave home
However, I shall answer your question keeping you as a representative
For an un-matured devotee, in which case only this possibility arises
Neither God gives you such strength nor you can attain it by your effort
Such state should be spontaneous and then only the Lord is pleased.
Leave this mission, one day or other all have to separate and go
Then do you require the strength for such departure or not?
*Snip*


But you just said we should be like jesus and ignore our moms.

I like my mom.

See above

[joobz]

Spam.
I don't understand. My mom doesn't eat spam.

[dattaswami]

Spam.


I recommed you to read the post and discuss rather than wasting your precious time here. The reply posted is for the mutual understanding and discussion. I may be wrong you may right and vice versa. Unless we disscuss how the truth will come out. So come out of your petty opposition, and come with your opposing argument let us disuss. Saying 'spam', is very easy and no thinking or discussion is needed. But if one come with some substantial point then it should be appreciated and discussed. So realise this!!

[Foster Zygote]

I wonder if Dattaswami is a friend of DavidJayJordan. He certainly knows his Spam.

Spam-tini anyone?

[Foster Zygote]

But you just said we should be like jesus and ignore our moms.

I like my mom.

Even though she sends you a lot of Spam?

[Tricky]

Fine. This is a skeptic board, Datta. Present your evidence. Spamming is not evidence. Preaching is not evidence. Quoting the bible is not evidence. If you can't do better than that, then expect not to have much fun here. You will not be the first or the last person who came here thinking he could spout their dogma and convince people. But it won't work here. There are people here who know a lot more about the Bible than you do.

[dattaswami]

But you just said we should be like jesus and ignore our moms.

I like my mom.

Dear Joobz; you should like your mom. Lord never ask you to neglect your mother, especially when she is a devotee of God. But the incident i told is to show that Lord is the real Father and Mother of us. He should be given more importance than even your earthly Father and Mother. This does not mean that you should foresake them. You should fulfil all your duties to them without metal attachment. Leaving mother and family etc are for only for those devotees who love Lord like anything. In your case you need not leave your parents or mother. You serve them.

I just expalin to you the imprtance of Lord Jesus preaching , so that you can understand the underlying spiritual priciple at least theoretically, if not practically.

Jesus neglected ( this mean that He gave more importacne to Lord and His work) His mother through out His life. When a devotee stated that His mother is really blessed soul, He denied it and told that the servants of God are really blessed. Once, He refused to see His mother, who was waiting for Him since He was busy with His devotees. *Snip*


See above

[Denver]

Thank you for your interst.
Such spiritual realization is a must for getting a permanent control over corruption.


Actual meaning of Moksha or spiritual realisation is liberation, now the sense can be according to the context.


I understand liberation theology. It's not a new concept. And you equate that to spiritual realization, which I equate to revelation, in the theological sense. But liberation theology, from my understanding, is a branch of Christian theology, while revelation is a fundamental requirement for faith, which seems to be more of an essential to salvation, than liberation, which is more of a goal or after effect of faith.

Yes?

[joobz]

Dear Joobz; you should like your mom. Lord never ask you to neglect your mother, especially when she is a devotee of God. But the incident i told is to show that Lord is the real Father and Mother of us. He should be given more importance than even your earthly Father and Mother. This does not mean that you should foresake them. You should fulfil all your duties to them without metal attachment. Leaving mother and family etc are for only for those devotees who love Lord like anything. In your case you need not leave your parents or mother. You serve them.

I just expalin to you the imprtance of Lord Jesus preaching , so that you can understand the underlying spiritual priciple at least theoretically, if not practically.

Jesus neglected ( this mean that He gave more importacne to Lord and His work) His mother through out His life. When a devotee stated that His mother is really blessed soul, He denied it and told that the servants of God are really blessed. Once, He refused to see His mother, who was waiting for Him since He was busy with His devotees.*Snip*


See above


My mom wouldn't like it very much if I was to neglect her.
the lord also said do unto others, and I don't want to be neglected.

[X]

How many of these threads are you planning to start, Dattaswami?

Spamming, proselytizing, etc will not endear you to skeptics.

Besides, you can not prove that your Jesus is the one true lord while any one of the hundreds of others are not.

[dattaswami]

Even though she sends you a lot of Spam?

It is a great sin when somebody is intersted in the divine knowedge and you oppose it. . This attitude shows thatyou are not at all a serious spiritual person and you did not care for spiritual knowledge or God.You are joking with spiritual knowledge and God. Now you are joking, but definitely a time will come then God will joke with you also.

[joobz]

;3440058']How many of these threads are you planning to start, Dattaswami?

Spamming, proselytizing, etc will not endear you to skeptics.

Besides, you can not prove that your Jesus is the one true lord while any one of the hundreds of others are not.
Does your jesus make you neglect your mom?
I'd want the jesus whose nice to his mom. We should all be nice to our moms.

[dattaswami]

My mom wouldn't like it very much if I was to neglect her.
the lord also said do unto others, and I don't want to be neglected.
Please read carefully and analyse it with your brain and if any doubt comes clear it.

Again i tell you that, you should not neglect your mother. Neglecting mother means not actually neglecting. Actually I gave the interpretation of Jesus only regarding this. Jesus told that unless on hates his father, mother, wife, children ……He used the word hate. Hatred comes in enmity. You hate your enemy and you like your friends. In Gita also there is a similar thing, that is, these wife and children etc they were in the last birth enemies, he has stolen their property, now to get back their property from you along with interest they come in this birth. They get associated with you. That is there in Hinduism also. So, taking this concept , I linked it to the sayings of Jesus and co-related. You cannot deny the statement of Jesus; you cannot also deny the existence of these concepts . Just I co-related both. And both gets substantiated mutually with each other. More of the opposition of family members, there Jesus means those who, oppose the spiritual path. If family members are good and they do not oppose, but support, infact if they are also devotees, then it does not apply to such cases. Only those who oppose your spiritual progress. To such people only this statement applies.

Suppose the family members are also devotees, now, there is a common aim of all; how to please God? , How to do the mission of God. There is a common aim. So, there is no question of bond between them. Even the bond existing between them is only due to God. Such bonds between devotees are not opposing. Even the bonds between two devotees are oriented towards God only. Both like each other because they are the devotees of the same God. One Christian likes another Christian. What is responsible here? Jesus is responsible. Is it not? That attachment of one Christian with other Christian, is not a bond. It is not a hindering bond. It will not hinder your spiritual effort. Moreover it encourages or it supports. That bond which hinders your from spiritual progress, about that only I am talking.

[dattaswami]

I understand liberation theology. It's not a new concept. And you equate that to spiritual realization, which I equate to revelation, in the theological sense. But liberation theology, from my understanding, is a branch of Christian theology, while revelation is a fundamental requirement for faith, which seems to be more of an essential to salvation, than liberation, which is more of a goal or after effect of faith.

Yes?

Thanks for that. Let us first understand about Salvation or Liberation.

This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars
Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not
The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation
If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death

Death is not the salvation since even after death you are bound by the bonds
The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family members
It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be salvated

The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for you
You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is unreal
You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created
By yourself only and why this is unreal?

*Snip*


Violation of Rule 4, violation of copyright

[Tricky]

Spam. Again. (http://meta-religion.com/Spiritualism/Articles/real_liberation.html)

[joobz]

Please read carefully and analyse it with your brain and if any doubt comes clear it.

Again i tell you that, you should not neglect your mother. Neglecting mother means not actually neglecting. Actually I gave the interpretation of Jesus only regarding this. Jesus told that unless on hates his father, mother, wife, children ……He used the word hate. Hatred comes in enmity. You hate your enemy and you like your friends. In Gita also there is a similar thing, that is, these wife and children etc they were in the last birth enemies, he has stolen their property, now to get back their property from you along with interest they come in this birth. They get associated with you. That is there in Hinduism also. So, taking this concept , I linked it to the sayings of Jesus and co-related. You cannot deny the statement of Jesus; you cannot also deny the existence of these concepts . Just I co-related both. And both gets substantiated mutually with each other. More of the opposition of family members, there Jesus means those who, oppose the spiritual path. If family members are good and they do not oppose, but support, infact if they are also devotees, then it does not apply to such cases. Only those who oppose your spiritual progress. To such people only this statement applies.

Suppose the family members are also devotees, now, there is a common aim of all; how to please God? , How to do the mission of God. There is a common aim. So, there is no question of bond between them. Even the bond existing between them is only due to God. Such bonds between devotees are not opposing. Even the bonds between two devotees are oriented towards God only. Both like each other because they are the devotees of the same God. One Christian likes another Christian. What is responsible here? Jesus is responsible. Is it not? That attachment of one Christian with other Christian, is not a bond. It is not a hindering bond. It will not hinder your spiritual effort. Moreover it encourages or it supports. That bond which hinders your from spiritual progress, about that only I am talking.
If neglect my mom doesn't actually mean neglect, then how do I know when neglect is supposed to mean neglect?

[devnull]

so we should only love our mothers if they share the same fundy religious wackjob beliefs we have.

OK, I understand now.

I think.

[ImaginalDisc]

Boons?


I thought this was about boobs.

[joobz]

so we should only love our mothers if they share the same fundy religious wackjob beliefs we have.

OK, I understand now.

I think.
We are also supposed to give her spam, I think.
Maybe it's a type of devotion to neglecting.

[dattaswami]

God being the generator of space, is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined

The unimaginable God is beyond the four-dimensional model of space and time. You can imagine the dissolution of matter converting into energy filling the space. Subsequently you can imagine the disappearance of energy in the space and the result is final vacuum. But, even if you try for your lifetime, you can never imagine the disappearance of vacuum.

God being the generator of space is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined. If you have to imagine God, the pre-requisite is the imagination of disappearance of space or vacuum. Of course space is a form of very fine energy and in this context the word energy used by Me can be taken as crude form of energy. The only knowledge about God is that He is beyond the knowledge (Yasyaamatam… Veda).

[dattaswami]

Boons?


I thought this was about boobs.

Do not fool Lord

Ravana (a demon) fooled Rama (God in human form) by sending the golden deer and stole away Sita (wife of Rama). But this fooling finally resulted in the end of Ravana only. This fooling is a mini drama in the big divine drama, which was designed by the Lord Himself. Krishna and Arjuna were taken away from the war by a part of the army. Abhimanyu was killed in their absence and Duryodhana (a demon) thought that he fooled Krishna.

But finally it resulted in killing of Saindhava, the brother-in-law of Duryodhana and also it resulted in killing of Karna who was the main hope of Duryodhana. Krishna asked Arjuna to kill Karna even though Karna was without bow and arrows. Killing of Abhimanyu became the reason for Krishna to kill Karna. Somakasura stole away Vedas from Brahma, when Brahma was in meditation. He thought that he fooled Brahma. But finally it resulted in killing of that demon only. Hiranyakasipu asked Brahma for immortality by asking boons from all sides. He thought that he became immortal by his over intelligence. But God came as Narasimha and created the loopholes for all the boons and killed the demon.

Thus, the extra intelligence of the demon resulted in his killing only. Karthaverya’s sons killed Jamadagni when Parasurama was absent. They thought that they fooled Parasurama. But finally Parasurama killed all of them. Judas fooled Jesus in getting Him arrested. But finally Jesus went to God and Judas committed suicide. Jesus told about Judas to His devotees in the beginning itself. The soldiers insulted Jesus asking Him to save Himself if He is God. This does not mean that Jesus was impotent to save Himself. Rama was fooled by Ravana and this does not mean that Rama was ignorant. Neither Jesus was impotent nor Rama was ignorant.

All this was will of God and every thing was the divine play. Such incidents act as the tests of the faith of the devotees. If the devotee of Rama doubts Rama as ignorant, his faith is crumbled. If the devotee of the Jesus doubts Jesus as impotent, his faith is also crumbled. Rama wept for Sita without knowing that Ravana stole her. Jesus also cried on cross asking God that why God left Him. All these stand as tests of the faith of their devotees. Moreover, God who came down to the earth also enjoys in such ignorant roles and forgets Himself for some time to fully immerse in the role and enjoy. A producer and director of a film, acting in the role of servant in the film forgets his status and enjoys the role for some time.

[joobz]

God being the generator of space, is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined

The unimaginable God is beyond the four-dimensional model of space and time. You can imagine the dissolution of matter converting into energy filling the space. Subsequently you can imagine the disappearance of energy in the space and the result is final vacuum. But, even if you try for your lifetime, you can never imagine the disappearance of vacuum.

God being the generator of space is beyond space and therefore, can never be imagined. If you have to imagine God, the pre-requisite is the imagination of disappearance of space or vacuum. Of course space is a form of very fine energy and in this context the word energy used by Me can be taken as crude form of energy. The only knowledge about God is that He is beyond the knowledge (Yasyaamatam… Veda).
Why does the unimaginable god want people to neglect moms who hate?

[X]

Another one?

Stop spamming, Dattasami.

[joobz]

Boons?


I thought this was about boobs.
No. God wants us to neglect moms, because they breast feed babies.

[devnull]

what a bunch of paranoid delusional nonsense.

Ban!

[dattaswami]

;3440124']Another one?

Stop spamming, Dattasami.


Veda says that God is the cause of space (Atmaana Aakaashah….). Cause can be seen in its original form, only when its effect is destroyed. The lump of mud can be visualized only when the pot is destroyed. Hence, to understand the original God, the space must be destroyed. When the space is destroyed and does not exist, the situation is unimaginable, in spite of your intensive imagination even for hundred years. Since, your intelligence cannot cross the space, God, who is beyond space can never be imagined by human intelligence. This is the reason for God being unimaginable.

[joobz]

You know.
This reminds me of the Babe.

[dattaswami]

what a bunch of paranoid delusional nonsense.

Ban!


I have replied to the person who asked the question? So you want to ban me?

[Jimbo07]

God, who is beyond space can never be imagined by human intelligence.

So then... you are incapable of imagining God.

[X]

Veda says that God is the cause of space (Atmaana Aakaashah….). Cause can be seen in its original form, only when its effect is destroyed. The lump of mud can be visualized only when the pot is destroyed. Hence, to understand the original God, the space must be destroyed. When the space is destroyed and does not exist, the situation is unimaginable, in spite of your intensive imagination even for hundred years. Since, your intelligence cannot cross the space, God, who is beyond space can never be imagined by human intelligence. This is the reason for God being unimaginable.

....

It is my considered opinion that that response is a traitor to the English language, and should be taken out back and shot.

[joobz]

;3440139']....

It is my considered opinion that that response is a traitor to the English language, and should be taken out back and shot.
Do you believe him to be a mom? Becuase god wants us to neglect moms, not shoot them.

[~enigma~]

It is not spamming, i would like to discuss with you.
My vote is with Tricky. Stop spamming cause everytime you spam you are making a kitten cry...

[Hokulele]

We are also supposed to give her spam, I think.
Maybe it's a type of devotion to neglecting.


I don't know. It sounded like he was talking about bondage in that last post. :confused:

[joobz]

My vote is with Tricky. Stop spamming cause everytime you spam you are making a kitten cry...
And my mom doesn't like spam.

[~enigma~]

Dear Joobz; you should like your mom. Lord never ask you to neglect your mother, especially when she is a devotee of God. But the incident i told is to show that Lord is the real Father and Mother of us. He should be given more importance than even your earthly Father and Mother. This does not mean that you should foresake them. You should fulfil all your duties to them without metal attachment. Leaving mother and family etc are for only for those devotees who love Lord like anything. In your case you need not leave your parents or mother. You serve them.

I just expalin to you the imprtance of Lord Jesus preaching , so that you can understand the underlying spiritual priciple at least theoretically, if not practically.

Jesus neglected ( this mean that He gave more importacne to Lord and His work) His mother through out His life. When a devotee stated that His mother is really blessed soul, He denied it and told that the servants of God are really blessed. Once, He refused to see His mother, who was waiting for Him since He was busy with His devotees. *Snip*
Is this from the red-letter edition of the bible according to dattaswami?

See above

[joobz]

I don't know. It sounded like he was talking about bondage in that last post. :confused:
We tie up our moms before we neglect them? I would never have thought god would want that one. But who am I to question the word.

[X]

I was referring to the mangled lump of conoluted nonsense that consituted Dattaswami's reply, not Dattaswami him/herself, Joobz.

Either that or a joke just flew 2 miles over my head.

[~enigma~]

Why would I hate bonds, I made alot of money trading bonds. Ah, you think he means Barry?

[Tricky]

;3440124']Another one?

Stop spamming, Dattasami.
Now [X], it's not spam unless you can show that he is copying and pasting from somewhere else.

Oops (http://www.atheistnetwork.com/viewtopic.php?t=3035&start=100&sid=c2051c34f0dfd88768ae2808f654fd6f).

[joobz]

;3440161']I was referring to the mangled lump of conoluted nonsense that consituted Dattaswami's reply, not Dattaswami him/herself, Joobz.

Either that or a joke just flew 2 miles over my head.
Oh, there's no joke. We are supposed to abandon our moms.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3440013&postcount=7

It's what god wants.

[joobz]

Why would I hate bonds, I made alot of money trading bonds. Ah, you think he means Barry?
Maybe god doesn't like secret agents?

[Hokulele]

I have replied to the person who asked the question? So you want to ban me?


Because you did not answer the question. Which is more important to salvation, liberation or revelation?

[Tricky]

Oh, there's no joke. We are supposed to abandon our moms.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3440013&postcount=7

It's what god wants.
After all, Jesus was a terrible son. I mean, his poor mom endures the humiliation of being pregnant without sex, (or so she claims) and after the nativity, do you hear from her again? No! Not until he's wriggling on the cross and she comes to comfort him. But did Jesus ever drop her a post card while he was out multiplying fishes and walking on water? NO! Jesus never liked his mother. He was always a Daddy's boy.

[scratchy]

More spamming (http://bibleforums.com/showthread.php?t=1309).

And more: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/soap-box/28304-spiritual-solution-tensions-anxiety.html

Just flush it.

[JWideman]

Could you please at least stick to ONE mythology at a time?

[Hokulele]

Maybe god doesn't like secret agents?


I get it now, Jesus hates steroids. Nasty, unnatural stuff.

[Tricky]

And more: http://www.ajarnforum.net/vb/soap-box/28304-spiritual-solution-tensions-anxiety.html

Just flush it.
Sometimes there is too much... erm... digested spam to flush. Call the mods and tell them to bring a roto-rooter.

[Hokulele]

If god is beyond a 4-dimensional model of space/time, how does it fit in with an n-brane model?

[joobz]

After all, Jesus was a terrible son. I mean, his poor mom endures the humiliation of being pregnant without sex, (or so she claims) and after the nativity, do you hear from her again? No! Not until he's wriggling on the cross and she comes to comfort him. But did Jesus ever drop her a post card while he was out multiplying fishes and walking on water? NO! Jesus never liked his mother. He was always a Daddy's boy.
Yeah, and the only time we know of jesus as a kid, he completely sasses her.

John 2:3-4
And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.” Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”
It's deplorable.

[dglas]

You know.
This reminds me of the Babe.

What Babe?

[joobz]

What Babe?
The Babe with the power.

[Hokulele]

I thought they crucified Jesus because he wasn't fake. :confused:

[rocketdodger]

The only knowledge about God is that He is beyond the knowledge (Yasyaamatam… Veda).

How do you know it is a "He" then?

OOPS, GUESS YOU DIDN'T THINK IT THROUGH

In the voice of Eric Cartman, "yeah, but I didn't take into account the fact that I suck at thinking."

[rocketdodger]

You should not misunderstand the silence of God to your prayers in your problems. Why God is careful while granting boons?The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money

The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money. Similarly, if He cancels your sins, there is no body to question Him. Then, why is He delaying in giving money to you and in removing your problems by canceling all your sins? *snip*

How exactly does all of this information about god fit with your claim that god is unimaginable?

OOPS, I GUESS YOU DIDN'T THINK IT THROUGH

[dglas]

Oh, there's no joke. We are supposed to abandon our moms.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3440013&postcount=7

It's what god wants.

What God wants,
God gets.
God help us all!

[~enigma~]

Maybe god doesn't like secret agents?
You took a left turn when I went right...

[~enigma~]

I get it now, Jesus hates steroids. Nasty, unnatural stuff.
Damn...you owe me a new monitor.

[Ladewig]

Lord knows all your needs. First you love Him and participate in His mission of divine knowedge propagation without ANY SELFISHNESS OR DESIRE. This is the way to please Him. Suffereing is only for your spiritual upliftment and introspection to change you attachment to world and other things other than God. God is the loving father, He want to see your spiritual uplifment. Medicine is needed for the dissease to cure. Your attchment to world is the disease.

So when a baby is born with a painful terminal illness, then we should simply acknowledge that the pain that baby suffers is "only for your spiritual upliftment and introspection to change its attachment to world." Hey, thanks God; I don't how that infant would have achieved spiritual fulfillment without your loving gift of suffering.

. . . . . . . . .

I will now pray. Dear God, please change the minds of the JREF moderators and have them rescind the rule against posting kitten photos. I ask this in your name, Amen.

[joobz]

You took a left turn when I went right...
Well, that was bond to happen.

[~enigma~]

one True God, The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Viva la Fettucini :D

[Achán hiNidráne]

anwy2MPT5RE

[~enigma~]

Well, that was bond to happen.
If it was wordly, god hates it :D

[Terry]

Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry?

Because there aint no god (http://www.aintnogod.com), maybe.

[Tricky]

Yeah, and the only time we know of jesus as a kid, he completely sasses her.

John 2:3-4

And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.” Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”

It's deplorable.
Yes, even as a youth, he was already a very wise guy.

[Tricky]

What God wants,
God gets.
God help us all!
Ah! Another Roger Waters fan! Amused to Death is one of the best albums that nobody ever heard of.

[rocketdodger]

One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds

Purity means oneness. Pure gold means the single gold metal without the second metal like copper. When a single bond exists without a second bond, such single bond is called as pure love or devotion and this is the highest stage. In the lower stage, even if several bonds exist, one bond only becomes the top most, before which the other bonds get rejected in case of competition. In the childhood the paternal bond is top most. In youth the bond with beloved or wife is top most. Afterwards the bond with children becomes top most, which continues through out the life. The rejection of other bonds before the top most bond is the meaning of the word “hate” used by Jesus while stating that one cannot become His dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds.

The bond with inert money is only to see the happiness in parents, wife and children (life). The bond with one’s own life happens to be the top most bond from birth to death and before this bond the other bonds may be rejected or this bond may be rejected before the other bonds. It varies from one individual to the other. The bond with God is also like the bond with money. People love God and money for the sake of happiness of self (life), parents, wife and children only. Money and God are only the instruments to achieve happiness for the sake of self, parents, wife and children. If these bonds are absent, the bond with God and money disappears. This is the case of Pravrutti, which is the general trend of most of the devotees. Only few exceptional cases exist among the devotees for whom God becomes the top most. Such exceptional devotees come under Nivrutti and God loves such exceptional devotees only.

The transformation of Pravrutti (worldly affairs) to Nivrutti (loving service to God) is the real spiritual path. Jesus referred to such devotees of Nivrutti only in His statement as said above. The divine cinema aims to achieve such Nivrutti only. But people take God as an instrument to achieve protection and happiness of worldly bonds including self. Jesus says in the above statement that His dearest disciple must be prepared to carry on his own cross for the sake of God. This means that one has to sacrifice even the bond with life for the sake of God. In fact, Jesus sacrificed the bond with His life for the sake of God’s mission through crucifixion.

You use the word "wife" four times in that steaming pile of garbage you call a post.

You use the word "husband" zero times.

If we were not on this forum, I would accuse anyone who posted such nonsense of being a chauvinist douchebag. Since we are, however ... may be peace be with you.

[joobz]

Yes, even as a youth, he was already a very wise guy.
Hmm, the son of god was a made man. I never knew.

[Hokulele]

Hmm, the son of god was a made man. I never knew.


Or a mobster. Your choice.

[Achán hiNidráne]

anwy2MPT5RE

[~enigma~]

anwy2MPT5RE
I never cared for this video until tonight...

[Tricky]

Or a mobster. Your choice.
Sending you to hell unless you offer up your allegiance does seem like a kind of "Soprano" sort of thing.

[Hokulele]

Sending you to hell unless you offer up your allegiance does seem like a kind of "Soprano" sort of thing.


Many of them have a mom fetish as well.

[Tricky]

Many of them have a mom fetish as well.
Well, if she makes good spaghetti...

[dglas]

You should not misunderstand the silence of God to your prayers in your problems. Why God is careful while granting boons?The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money

The treasure of God is infinite and will not exhaust by giving you some money. Similarly, if He cancels your sins, there is no body to question Him. Then, why is He delaying in giving money to you and in removing your problems by canceling all your sins? *snip*.

So God hates diabetics because we are uncontrolled demons and disturb society. I just knew it had to be something like that, the bloody bastard.

I am responsible for my own blood sugar level. I have to be, because, as a designer of biological machines, God really sucks.

Do you do stand-up?

Here's blood in yer eyes!


Oh, and..

Win Powerball!!!

[joobz]

Well, if she makes good spaghetti...
So FSM is jesus? It would explain how the virgin birth was possible.

[dglas]

The Babe with the power.

What power?

[Tricky]

So FSM is jesus? It would explain how the virgin birth was possible.
It's part of the Holy Trinity. The Pasta the Jesus and the Garlic Host.

[joobz]

What power?
The power of Voodoo.

[Hokulele]

God, being the Big Generator, is Close to the Edge and the Relayer of many Tales from Topographical Oceans.

At least, that is what the OP made me think of.

[dglas]

The power of Voodoo.

Who do?

[DiskoVilante]

Does this remind everyone of:

EARTH HAS 4 CORNERSIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY (http://www.timecube.com/)
TIME CUBE (http://www.timecube.com/)

WITHIN SINGLE ROTATION. 4 CORNER DAYS PROVES 1DAY 1 GOD IS TAUGHT EVIL. (http://www.timecube.com/)

[joobz]

Who do?
You do!

[Achán hiNidráne]

anwy2MPT5RE

[dglas]

You do!

Do what?

[joobz]

Do what?
Remind me of the babe.

[joobz]

Because there aint no god (http://www.aintnogod.com), maybe.
Then who's telling me to bind and neglect my mom?

[dglas]

One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds

Purity means oneness. Pure gold means the single gold metal without the second metal like copper. When a single bond exists without a second bond, such single bond is called as pure love or devotion and this is the highest stage. In the lower stage, even if several bonds exist, one bond only becomes the top most, before which the other bonds get rejected in case of competition. In the childhood the paternal bond is top most. In youth the bond with beloved or wife is top most. Afterwards the bond with children becomes top most, which continues through out the life. The rejection of other bonds before the top most bond is the meaning of the word “hate” used by Jesus while stating that one cannot become His dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds.

The bond with inert money is only to see the happiness in parents, wife and children (life). The bond with one’s own life happens to be the top most bond from birth to death and before this bond the other bonds may be rejected or this bond may be rejected before the other bonds. It varies from one individual to the other. The bond with God is also like the bond with money. People love God and money for the sake of happiness of self (life), parents, wife and children only. Money and God are only the instruments to achieve happiness for the sake of self, parents, wife and children. If these bonds are absent, the bond with God and money disappears. This is the case of Pravrutti, which is the general trend of most of the devotees. Only few exceptional cases exist among the devotees for whom God becomes the top most. Such exceptional devotees come under Nivrutti and God loves such exceptional devotees only.

The transformation of Pravrutti (worldly affairs) to Nivrutti (loving service to God) is the real spiritual path. Jesus referred to such devotees of Nivrutti only in His statement as said above. The divine cinema aims to achieve such Nivrutti only. But people take God as an instrument to achieve protection and happiness of worldly bonds including self. Jesus says in the above statement that His dearest disciple must be prepared to carry on his own cross for the sake of God. This means that one has to sacrifice even the bond with life for the sake of God. In fact, Jesus sacrificed the bond with His life for the sake of God’s mission through crucifixion.

Well...

I guess that's what Jesus gets for not having a safe word.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.


Jesus never did...

Win Powerball!!!

[Tricky]

Then who's telling me to bind and neglect my mom?
Could it be... SATAN!!!!!

[Tricky]

God, being the Big Generator, is Close to the Edge and the Relayer of many Tales from Topographical Oceans.

At least, that is what the OP made me think of.
You must be Going for the One. There's a Time and a Word for that sort of thing. Yes.

[dglas]

When Lord Jesus was insulted and crucifed on the cross He neglected the insult and crucification. He suffered for those who love Him. So Lord will never care for the petty insult He get here in this world. He is happy and eternally statisfied in the upper world. The insults here He enjoys like hot chilly, because He is already bored of happiness and praise in the upper world. So, you are just playing your part to make Lord enjoy!!!

Therefore....

The Lord Jesus is a Viking and therefore...

made of wood and we should...

build a bridge out of him!


And if all fish live underwater and all minnows are fish

we can conclude not that all minnows live underwater, but that if we buy kippers on Friday it will not rain, or that even Jesus can...

Win Powerball!!!

[dglas]

A pit is like a hole, but deeper... except when lilies bloom in April.


Chastise not the lilies for they know not what they do and they do not...

Win Powerball!!!

[Hokulele]

You must be Going for the One. There's a Time and a Word for that sort of thing. Yes.


Hee hee. (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30060)

[Kopji]

Purity means oneness. Pure gold means the single gold metal without the second metal like copper. When a single bond exists without a second bond, such single bond is called as pure love or devotion and this is the highest stage. In the lower stage, even if several bonds exist, one bond only becomes the top most, before which the other bonds get rejected in case of competition.

Ah metaphors, they so rock.
But isn't an alloy of metals stronger?
A cord of many strands is not easily broken?
So what we are being offered in the guise of purity is actually a state of weakness. It is only in the presence of questioning and diversity of thought that there is true strength. The life worth living is one that is forged - heated and cooled by the struggles of living. Success and mistakes, sickness and health, obedience and rebellion, order and chaos. Such is the richness of life and as we trade it for the sameness of "purity" we become more like sheep than people.

[Kopji]

How do explain why God makes people like Pat Robertson rich by giving them boons? Does that mean Pat is the kind of person we should seek to be like?

Oral Roberts?

What is God's explanation for standing by quietly while some of his priests rape children? Who would we be to question God's wisdom in remaining silent? Or maybe he inflicts torture on some so that the rest of us can learn.

[Kopji]

So therefore reject anyone who claims to imagine God. Got it.

[ntropy]

Another idealist...

[Kopji]

And then sometimes the doctor might kill you or let you die in order to make an example to others. After all, the doctor has the bigger picture in mind about how to save more people.

[Jackalgirl]

One cannot become My dearest disciple unless one hates the worldly bonds

Your dearest disciple? You're looking for disciples? Do you think you're Jesus?

[H3LL]

Dattaswami, can I have your computer?

You shouldn't be using it.

.

[dattaswami]

How do you know it is a "He" then?

OOPS, GUESS YOU DIDN'T THINK IT THROUGH

In the voice of Eric Cartman, "yeah, but I didn't take into account the fact that I suck at thinking."

The creation is compared to female and the creator is compared to male. The creation is controlled by the creator. Generally the female is controlled by the male. Following this convention, the concept is represented accordingly. Goddess Lakshmi is pressing the feet of the Lord Narayana as a servant. Here some misunderstand this as the male domination. Since the male domination existed in nature, the concept is represented like that. This does not mean that the concept supports the male domination. Even in the ancient tradition, there used to be some cases of female domination over the males. According to that tradition God is represented by the female or Parashakti whose throne is carried by Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva on their shoulders.

[dattaswami]

So therefore reject anyone who claims to imagine God. Got it.

Everywhere the universal perception should be the basis of authority
In that case science is also satisfied because scientists believe this only
Knowledge should be scientific, and then only it can be systematic
Of course the Lord is above the science, which is the logic in this world
But you are not above the science and your ways must be scientific
You must detect the Lord who is above the science through scientific ways only
Science is the nature and through the natural rules only you can catch the Lord
You cannot catch the Lord directly because you are not above the nature
You are a part of the nature and therefore your ways cannot be supernatural.
When it is impossible to adopt the ways above the nature
How can you catch the Lord who is beyond this nature?
Nature is creation and the Lord is the creator
Creator is beyond the creation as we can see in the world itself
The pot maker is different from the pot and therefore stick to nature
Infact owing to this limitation of yourself, the Lord is coming down
He enters the best part of the nature, which is the human being
The word Brahman means the best; human being is the best in the world
Therefore human beings is called Brahman within the boundary of the world
Brahman is greater than the greatest and therefore is the ultimate greatest.
When such Brahman enters the world, He will enter the best part only
When the king enters the town, he enters the best house in the town.
He cannot enter a worst hut, which is below his dignity.
Therefore Brahman can never enter any inert object, which is the lowest
Brahman also will not enter trees birds and animals because
They are higher than the inert object but not the highest.
The advaita scholars are mislead at this juncture because
When it is told that the human being is Brahman, they understood
That the human being is the ultimate highest, but it is not so,
This is the reason why the Lord is called Para Brahman
Para Brahman means greater than Brahman that is greater than the human being
You can experience Him through the human incarnation
Thus you’re experiencing Him through nature and everything is setup

[dattaswami]

God is the permanently unknowable region even for the intelligence enriched with science and logic.

The Universe is infinite with unimaginable beginning and unimaginable end. This means the cause from which the Universe started and the same cause in which the Universe ends on dissolution is the unimaginable God. Mud is the beginning stage of the pot and also the end stage since the pot ends in the mud on destruction. The Universe exhibits the unimaginable God by its unimaginable limits of beginning and end. The space is generated from God and the dissolution of space can only show the real nature of its cause (God).

When the chain is dissolved in fire, then only the gold lump, which is the cause of the chain, appears in its original form. But even if you imagine for millions of years, you can never imagine the dissolution of space and therefore you can never imagine the original nature of God. God is beyond space and God is the permanently unknowable region even for the intelligence enriched with science and logic.

Hence, God is a permanent wonder and the creation consists of some knowable regions of knowledge without any wonder and also some temporarily unimaginable regions with temporary wonder. Now the word Maya can be used for the wonder, which is both permanent (God) and which is temporary also (the deeper layers of the world up to the space).

[dattaswami]

The knowledge of unimaginable God can be established only on knowing the science intensively


Science is the knowledge of the world (Vijnanam) and is unaware of God and hence, science can be also treated as ignorance (Avidya). Though science cannot speak about God, it can disprove the awareness as non-God item of creation. The Advaita philosopher, who does not know this ignorance (Science) mistakes awareness as God. Therefore, the knowledge of unimaginable God can be established only on knowing the science intensively, which can prove all the non-God items as non-God items only. To cross the Maya of awareness, one requires the help of ignorance (science) only and not the mere knowledge of God from the scripture.

[dattaswami]

How do explain why God makes people like Pat Robertson rich by giving them boons? Does that mean Pat is the kind of person we should seek to be like?

Oral Roberts?

What is God's explanation for standing by quietly while some of his priests rape children? Who would we be to question God's wisdom in remaining silent? Or maybe he inflicts torture on some so that the rest of us can learn.

You must realize that the whole world is the kingdom of God as stated by Jesus. Any injustice will be punished by Him and you need not worry about it. Your view of the punishment is revenge but His view of punishment is to transform the soul. If somebody has stolen your money, don’t pray to God to punish that person. Everything is recorded by Him unlike the courts which register the case only when a complaint is given.
*Snip*


Violation of Rule 4, copyright

[dattaswami]

How exactly does all of this information about god fit with your claim that god is unimaginable?

OOPS, I GUESS YOU DIDN'T THINK IT THROUGH

If a student comes and asks the preacher “What is God?” and the preacher says, “God is Unimaginable”; then the student asks again “How God created this world?” and the preacher says, “The process of creation is unimaginable”; the student will think that the preacher does not know the answers for his questions and will leave the preacher. *Snip*

Violation of Rule 4, copyright

[dattaswami]

God cruel to create this world for entertainment?

People often blame God stating that they are troubled since God created this world for His entertainment. They say that God is a sadist because He is entertained by their suffering. This is shear non-sense. God created this entire world consisting of the souls. Souls constitute Para Prakruti, which is a part of the creation. He gave complete freedom to the souls and gave the intelligence (Buddhi), which is the powerful faculty of discriminating good and bad. God propagated His constitution, which contains clearly the subjects of good and bad. The prophets propagated this constitution on this earth. Now if God is deriving entertainment on observing the creation, how can you call Him as sadist? He is not responsible for your desires and selection of good and bad for which you have the full freedom.

He is not responsible even for a trace of your desire and even for a trace of your subsequent action. The constitution gives only information and does not encourage you in anyway. A hotel is exhibiting a board listing the various items available for the food. The board is only for your information. According to your taste, capacity of digestion and problems of health, you have to select the suitable item of food. You cannot blame the hotel saying that the hotel is responsible for your indigestion, since it exhibited a particular item by which you are attracted! A person is standing in the balcony of his residence and is observing the traffic to get entertainment. Suppose an accident took place on the road, you cannot blame the observer to be responsible for the accident. You are well aware of the traffic rules and your over look of the rules is responsible for the accident.

The observation and entertainment of any spectator is not at all connected with the accident. The divine constitution consists of two parts. The first part is the Pravrutti, which is the social behavior to live in this world with peace and harmony. This Pravrutti is based on heaven, earth and hell, which are plus, zero and minus signs respectively. If you do social service helping the poor people, you will get heaven, which is a temporary pleasure proportional to the extent of your sacrifice in the social service. For this, you will receive the result on the earth also either partially or totally. If the result is not seen on the earth, you will receive the total result in the heaven after death. However, the result is not permanent (Kshenepunye…Gita) because your social service is not blended with divine mission.

If you do the service to your self and your family only, you will be living on this earth with happiness and peace provided you are not harming others with corruption and torture. For this also, the result is temporary because the result is confined to this temporary human life only. Anyway, in both the cases the result is temporary only. If you are confined to your self and your family only, there is no result after death and you will not enter the heaven for serving your family and your self. You will enter the heaven partially or totally for serving the weaker sections in the society but the stay in heaven is temporary. In doing social service, you may confine to your village, District, State, Country, Religion and Earth but you should not harm any living being in this service.

You must avoid corruption and torture of any living being on this earth in doing the service. If you are indulged in corruption and torture of any living being, the court here will punish you. If you escape the punishment here, God will punish you here partially and in the hell after the death partially or totally. The punishment of God is based on the transformation of the soul and not the revenge as observed in the terrorism. Terrorism wants revenge without aiming at the transformation of the soul. It does not understand the whole divine system and denies even God due to emotion. Emotion kills the analysis and patience will give happiness and permanent solution. Do not take law and order in to your hands. If the court or Government fails in implementing the justice, God will punish even the court and Government because human beings only constitute the court and Government, which can err. All this comes under Pravrutti. If you avoid the hell after death and punishments here by limiting your self to the service of your family and the society, God is pleased with you.

[calebprime]

;3440058']How many of these threads are you planning to start, Dattaswami?

Spamming, proselytizing, etc will not endear you to skeptics.

Besides, you can not prove that your Jesus is the one true lord while any one of the hundreds of others are not.

with apologies to X

[calebprime]

Maybe these can all be merged into one thread?

[calebprime]

Roll another one, just like the other one

[calebprime]

I should call my Mom.

[calebprime]

That's true. You're absolutely right.

[Complexity]

There is no god, Dattaswami, and I'll ask you to stop pissing all over this forum.

[Complexity]

Quit spamming.

Reported.

If there is something you really want to discuss, instead of proselytize us about, do so - but create a single thread and attend to it. Days or weeks later, create another.

This is ridiculous and will and should result in your being mocked or shunned a large number of the members of this forum.

[zooloo]

Lord never force anything upon any body.

Result!

So He won't force me to go to Hell - that's really cool.

Thanks for spreading the God/Good News!

[PixyMisa]

Well, the thread doesn't make any less sense like this.

[Denver]

Thanks for that. Let us first understand about Salvation or Liberation.

This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars
Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not
The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation
If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death

Death is not the salvation since even after death you are bound by the bonds
The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family members
It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be salvated

The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for you
You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is unreal
You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created
By yourself only and why this is unreal?

*Snip*


Violation of Rule 4, violation of copyright

Aha - maybe I've been slow about this. Originally I thought this was a take on Christian theology. But the wording I see from you seems to imply something out of the Bhagavad Gita or the Vedas and is speaking of Krishna. Is it that philosophy that you are speaking from?

[Foster Zygote]

And my mom doesn't like spam.

Is she a not a Viking?

[Foster Zygote]

If god is beyond a 4-dimensional model of space/time, how does it fit in with an n-brane model?

I suspect it fits nicely with the "no brain" model.

[Foster Zygote]

Ah! Another Roger Waters fan! Amused to Death is one of the best albums that nobody ever heard of.

I much prefer it to Radio KAOS.

[dglas]

Dang! After Joobs and I went to so much effort reciting (litanizing?) the song from Labyrinth (I wonder if BlabbaSwammi would get the critique), it all gets chopped up into a random mess.


At this rate, neither of us will ever...

Win Powerball!!!

[joobz]

Dang! After Joobs and I went to so much effort reciting (litanizing?) the song from Labyrinth (I wonder if BlabbaSwammi would get the critique), it all gets chopped up into a random mess.


At this rate, neither of us will ever...

Win Powerball!!!
tell me about it. Oh well.. (it starts at min 1:45ish)
HqmocK-L1ik

[Elizabeth I]

In Gaudy Night, Dorothy Sayers has one of her characters ask this question (approximate quote):

"Why is it that spiritual enlightenment so often seems to come accompanied by poor spelling, poor grammar and poor syntax?"

[dattaswami]

Aha - maybe I've been slow about this. Originally I thought this was a take on Christian theology. But the wording I see from you seems to imply something out of the Bhagavad Gita or the Vedas and is speaking of Krishna. Is it that philosophy that you are speaking from?

The essence of all the religions is one and the same since the Universal God gives it. The religions are different from each other because the religious leaders who are the human beings create the material that surrounds the essence. The skeleton is one and the same and there is no difference in the skeletons of the human beings. *Snip*

I have recommended suspension to the administrators. Stop violating copyright and spamming immediately.

[Terry]

Chastise not the lilies for they know not what they do and they do not...


He's having a go at the flowers now!

[Terry]

The creation is compared to female and the creator is compared to male. The creation is controlled by the creator. Generally the female is controlled by the male.

Not married then?

[Hokulele]

The creation is compared to female and the creator is compared to male. The creation is controlled by the creator. Generally the female is controlled by the male. Following this convention, the concept is represented accordingly. Goddess Lakshmi is pressing the feet of the Lord Narayana as a servant. Here some misunderstand this as the male domination. Since the male domination existed in nature, the concept is represented like that. This does not mean that the concept supports the male domination. Even in the ancient tradition, there used to be some cases of female domination over the males. According to that tradition God is represented by the female or Parashakti whose throne is carried by Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva on their shoulders.


This is your justification for sexism? Why on earth does one gender have to be dominant? If your system does not support equality for all people, I do not want to have anything to do with it. Chauvinism (male or female) is deplorable.

[bokonon]

disucss
Word.

[joobz]

This is your justification for sexism? Why on earth does one gender have to be dominant? If your system does not support equality for all people, I do not want to have anything to do with it. Chauvinism (male or female) is deplorable.
Well, you only think that way because you haven't neglected your mom yet. That's the path to god.

[bokonon]

tell me about it. Oh well.. (it starts at min 1:45ish)
HqmocK-L1ik
Hmm, I bought the video for the contact juggling at the beginning, and never watched it all the way through. While I kind of like the labyrinth itself (first time I've seen that!), I only got halfway through this clip too, and don't suppose I'll be digging out the DVD unless it's to see the contact juggling again.

Wish I could do that.

[dglas]

I, personally, would like to thank BlabbaSwammi for bringing, through his (or someone else's) way-over-the-top word association football, some humour to the R&P section. Nothing like a good, hearty laugh now and again to clear the maudlin mysticisms away...


Will laughing at silliness help...

Win Powerball!!!

?

[blobru]

Eight threads -- it's an octopost!! :medusa: (full steam ahead, mr. boatswain; aye aye, skipper, aye aye!)

[tune of 'yellow submarine']*

In the Rrrr
& P Forum
dattaswami
spawned 8 threads
OP's as big
as they were borin'
like 8 albatross
full with lead
His spammin' went
against decorum
So before
The virus spread
LL smushed
All his god porn
into a hydra_nt
with 8 blockheads {doopdadupd****

We all pipost on a yellowing hydrant
dattaswami's rants, yellowing hydrants...

Come and list-
En to him tell
Us of a being
He can't describe
How He loves
Us all to hell
Hindu demons
There we find
O he's got
It figured well
None from none
Is thirty-five
Krishna|Christ
Begins to kvell
"You mean somebody
Believes this jive?" (oy vey!)

We all post...

*other[/U] song, y' know, theme from [I]Octopussy, but...] :boggled:

[rocketdodger]

If a student comes and asks the preacher “What is God?” and the preacher says, “God is Unimaginable”; then the student asks again “How God created this world?” and the preacher says, “The process of creation is unimaginable”; the student will think that the preacher does not know the answers for his questions and will leave the preacher. *Snip*

Do you realize the implications of what you just said?

You are suggesting that the majority of the content of all religions is in fact false information propagated to keep people "hooked." I am glad you are able to realize this -- most of the religious aren't.

[Nogbad]

Fear not the OP but rather make the OP fear you

http://images.contactmusic.com/images/reviews2/mysterymen.jpg

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Wow, this is one entertaining thread :)

Its like 1 part christianity with 1 part hindu? polytheism mixed with 15 parts of spam.
And you know you cannot have faith without spam.
Hence spaghetti with spamballs, the true revelation for pastafarianism