Barack Obama’s Communist connections.

[MaGZ]

Obama at the very least is a fellow traveler of the Communist Party just like him mom Stanley Ann Durham.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

[Lurker]

A family friend from 30 years ago forms what Obama is hiding today? Okaaaay.

The hate is strong in you, Magz.

[tkingdoll]

OMG a Communist Muslim!

That's like...evil incarnate!

Wait, wait, you forgot 'nazi sympathiser' and 'paedophile'.

[Praktik]

I think MaGz is just old. Anybody I've seen who's seriously trotted out the "beware - COMMIE!!" stuff is a relic of the cold war feeding on nostalgia for a simpler time, back when things made sense.

Or he's doing this tongue in cheek in which case I say, good work! ;)

[Upchurch]

Obama at the very least is a fellow traveler of the Communist Party just like him mom Stanley Ann Durham.
I've seen conspiracy theorists with better arguments than that. Are you trying to imply that Obama's mom was a communist?

Does your bigotry know no bounds?

[KingMerv00]

I didn't read the whole thing (got sick halfway through) but it basically says he talked to communists and read communist stuff.

So?

[KingMerv00]

I think MaGz is just old. Anybody I've seen who's seriously trotted out the "beware - COMMIE!!" stuff is a relic of the cold war feeding on nostalgia for a simpler time, back when things made sense.


Don't forget MaGz doesn't like his skin color either.

Aaah the good ol' days.

[daredelvis]

Wait, wait, you forgot 'nazi sympathiser' and 'paedophile'.
Why would you assume that Mgas would see those traits as a negative?

Daredelvis

[Praktik]

So this MaGz guy was serious?

He must be at LEAST in his upper fifties. I'd guess sixties.

I'll be honest - and maybe I move in the wrong circles - but I have yet to meet ANYBODY online or in person under the age of 55 who has (with a straight face) spouted the paranoid commie ravings of a time long past.

[The Painter]

Does this count???? It's a Che flag at an Obama campaign office in Houston. Looks like a Cuban/commie flag to me!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_1.jpg

[KingMerv00]

So this MaGz guy was serious?

He must be at LEAST in his upper fifties. I'd guess sixties.

I'll be honest - and maybe I move in the wrong circles - but I have yet to meet ANYBODY online or in person under the age of 55 who has (with a straight face) spouted the paranoid commie ravings of a time long past.

Hey, my mom and dad are 57. I've never heard them be that dumb.

[KoihimeNakamura]

Does this count???? It's a Che flag at an Obama campaign office in Houston. Looks like a Cuban/commie flag to me!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_1.jpg

No.

[Praktik]

Hey, my mom and dad are 57. I've never heard them be that dumb.

Oh ya, not suggesting "old people are dumb" just that anybody still mired in the cold war is likely old.

My parents are about the same age and they're alright, but then again we're Canadian, and the red scares never hit with the same intensity as they did down south.

[KingMerv00]

Does this count???? It's a Che flag at an Obama campaign office in Houston. Looks like a Cuban/commie flag to me!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_1.jpg

I also say no.

[Darth Rotor]

I've seen conspiracy theorists with better arguments than that. Are you trying to imply that Obama's mom was a communist?

Does your bigotry know no bounds?

Uppie, have you done any peeking into her story? "Commie sympathizer" might be lightly applied to her political views, and it might be a bit of a stretch. COmbine that with the strands of Liberation Theology in Obama's home church, UCC, and MaGZs "fellow traveler" critique isn't completely off the wall. (Of course, it presumes that people are fixed in their positions and don't adapt, and is a bit of pigeon holing, so it's not a strong critique. ) With International Communism in retreat all over the world, being a Commie symp nowadays isn't that big a deal. The last thing the Commies did of significance that I can recall, in the West, was to cost Romano Prodi his PMship in the late 1990s, in Italy, by leaving his coalition government.

ETA: forgot to add. The difference between a socialist and a communist is in some cases a matter of degree of anti establishment sentiment. She described him (Davis) as a "socialist realist" who attacked the work of the House Un-American Activities Committee.

As to Obama's mom, June Cleaver she wasn't. :p No matter, looks like she did a good job raising her son.

DR

[dudalb]

Does this count???? It's a Che flag at an Obama campaign office in Houston. Looks like a Cuban/commie flag to me!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_1.jpg

This has been discussed already: Verdict: Some Obama worker was ripped a new one by the head of the Obama Headquarters in Houston.
I don't think that is ground for calling OBama a Marxist. If here were evidence he were, I would be the first one to scream about it.
I am not a Obama fanboy,but to say some dumb lefty student decided to support Obama is not grounds for calling Obama a Communist.

[daredelvis]

DR
You keep bringing up Liberation Theology. Wiki describes it as.
Liberation theology is a school of theology within the Catholic Church that focuses on Jesus Christ as not only the Redeemer but also the Liberator of the oppressed. It emphasizes the Christian mission to bring justice to the poor and oppressed, particularly through political activism. Some elements of certain liberation theologies have been rejected by the Catholic Church.
Is that it? From your repeated citing of this link I thought it was where all of the party members ended up after the wall came down.

Daredelvis

[carlvs]

Considering that over 60 years ago a bunch of communists played a large role in stomping into the dirt the supporters of the genocidal filth our OP apparently agrees with, I consider it a complement...:D

[dudalb]

Considering that over 60 years ago a bunch of communists played a large role in stomping into the dirt the supporters of the genocidal filth our OP apparently agrees with, I consider it a complement...:D
Yes, but Joe Stallin was a close second to Adolf in the massive killing deparment.
And Stalin was not above a little Genocide himself:Read about the Ukranian famine.
You might argue..and I would agree..that Hitler was the greater menace of the two and a alliance with Staling was justified on the grounds of necessity,but let's not have any illusions that Commusnism was often as brutal as Nazism at it's worst.
And that is not just confined to Stalin's Soviet Union. Mao and Pol Pot come to mind as being no slouches in the mass murder department.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Does this count???? It's a Che flag at an Obama campaign office in Houston. Looks like a Cuban/commie flag to me!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_1.jpg

Um, IIRC, it wasn't an official campaign office. And what his supporters do has nothing to do with what he believes.

[Upchurch]

Uppie, have you done any peeking into her story?
Only a quick google for "Ann Durham communist", which turned up this thread as its top hit.

[dudalb]

Um, IIRC, it wasn't an official campaign office. And what his supporters do has nothing to do with what he believes.


I agree and disagree.
I agree about it not being an official Obama Campaign anything,but what Obama's supporters do can hurt Obama.
Frankly, it is not a good idea to hang posters of Marxist Icons up in ANY office,official or unofficial , if you are running for political office.
I am sure the word went out from Obama headquarters about taking down the posters are five minutes after those photos hit the airwaves and/or internet.
But,frankly,the person who hung them up should have known better.

[The Painter]

Only a quick google for "Ann Durham communist", which turned up this thread as its top hit.

I did a quick search and found out Obama is Irish


http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/221560/

It's at the bottom of the page, the last article.

[MaGZ]

I've seen conspiracy theorists with better arguments than that. Are you trying to imply that Obama's mom was a communist?

Yes, she is identified as a "fellow traveler" which means a communist but not a party member.

Obama's mom: Not just a girl from Kansas
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0703270151mar27,0,5157609.story?page=3


"If you were concerned about something going wrong in the world, Stanley would know about it first," said Chip Wall, who described her as "a fellow traveler. . . . We were liberals before we knew what liberals were."

[MaGZ]

Communist Party members know Obama is one of them.

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/5047/1/32/


...Frank Marshall Davis, who was certainly in the orbit of the CP – if not a member – and who was born in Kansas and spent a good deal of his adult life in Chicago, before decamping to Honolulu in 1948 at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson. Eventually, he befriended another family – a Euro-American family – that had migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago. In his best selling memoir ‘Dreams of my Father’, the author speaks warmly of an older black poet, he identifies simply as "Frank" as being a decisive influence in helping him to find his present identity as an African-American, a people who have been the least anticommunist and the most left-leaning of any constituency in this nation – though you would never know it from reading so-called left journals of opinion. At some point in the future, a teacher will add to her syllabus Barack’s memoir and instruct her students to read it alongside Frank Marshall Davis’ equally affecting memoir, "Living the Blues"...

[Cleon]

Communist Party members know Obama is one of them.

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/5047/1/32/

:dl:

[Random]

Let's see, Obama hanged around with a communist poet as a kid.

This is pretty thin, even by Republican smear standards. Try this:

McCain willingly stayed with Communist militants for five years during a time of war.

[Cleon]

Let's see, Obama hanged around with a communist poet as a kid.

This is pretty thin, even by Republican smear standards. Try this:

McCain willingly stayed with Communist militants for five years during a time of war.

Ooooooh. You're good. :D

[abenja1]

Communist Party members know Obama is one of them.

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/5047/1/32/

Well if we are playing guilt by association, I can then say Ron Paul is a racist because he once hung out (and took a photo) with the creator of the Stormfront webpage.

[Elizabeth I]

Obama at the very least is a fellow traveler of the Communist Party just like him mom Stanley Ann Durham.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

His mother's first name is Stanley?

You might argue..and I would agree..that Hitler was the greater menace of the two and a alliance with Staling was justified on the grounds of necessity,but let's not have any illusions that Commusnism was often as brutal as Nazism at it's worst.

I think the most recent numbers show that anybody, Adolf included, was a piker when compared with Stalin.

Re: the OP, can I just say: Jee-SUS!

[Tricky]

It may seem like a mountain that Obama has to climb to overcome this kind of hatred and bigotry, but really it's not really that new. Since even before McCarthy, right-wing politicians have been using the red or pink scare tactics to frighten Americans. Yet there have been a number of politicians elected who did not toe the line to these scare-mongers. Today, when Communist Russia is a thing of the past, Communist China is one of our biggest trading partners, and Communist Cuba is but a depressed island with no power whatsoever, it is amazing to me that these tactics still can rouse the faithful.

But it can be overcome, and I suspect it will be this year. The messages of hate have gotten a little to strident for all but the most intransigent of Americans. And of course, the combined voting power of Hispanics, blacks, immigrants, liberals and moderates should be enough to drown out these sputum-laced cries. No, they won't go away, and maybe they shouldn't. We need to be reminded from time to time what hatred can do. It's a lesson that is too easy to forget.

[KingMerv00]

Do we have any communists in the forum? If so, we are all commies...MaGz included.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Obama at the very least is a fellow traveler of the Communist Party just like him mom Stanley Ann Durham.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/I've seen some pretty stupid stuff on Accuracy In the Media. This fits the pattern.

These guys are in for a big surprise, the only people that are going to be swayed by this junk are the fundies that wouldn't have voted for a Democrat anyway. But they have few other options. They have rejected McCain to a certain extent. They would have either voted for McCain or just not voted. Or maybe they'll write in Huckabee who knows?

It's good to get this silliness out now. Ties to Farrakhan, wearing a turban in Somalia, went to a madrassa, middle name Hussein, ....Obama supporters are laughing or they are incensed, but they are not going to be swayed. I'm still favoring Clinton, but this stuff is just childish.

And yes, I know the Clinton campaign supposedly sent the turban picture to Drudge. I also heard they were just emailing it to each other asking why the news media had not used it. I'll wait for the real facts to come out, who knows? I could see some Clinton staffers in some low level position getting frustrated at the incessant media denigration of Clinton sending the turban foto around.

This sort of nonsense from AIM certainly seems desperate of them. Maybe they are floundering without Rove there to put out the talking points.

[Skeptic Ginger]

MaGZ is serious? Think I'll go let the dogs in.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Yes, she is identified as a "fellow traveler" which means a communist but not a party member.

Obama's mom: Not just a girl from Kansas
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0703270151mar27,0,5157609.story?page=3"She was not a standard-issue girl of her times. ... She wasn't part of the matched-sweater-set crowd," said Wall, a classmate and retired philosophy teacher who used to make after-school runs to Seattle with Dunham to sit and talk -- for hours and hours -- in coffee shops.I didn't know Seattle had coffee shops kids hung out in in the 60s.


This cracks me up though:..on a small island in the Pacific Northwest.The reference is to Mercer Island. It's a friggen suburb of Seattle, the only thing about it making it an island is you have to get on the freeway bridge to get there. It's less than a couple miles from Mercer Is. to either downtown Bellevue or Seattle. In fact it is 10 miles from here to downtown Seattle and Mercer Is. is in between.

His Mom was an atheist. Maybe he's a closet atheist. Hmmm, that could make him more attractive as a candidate.

[Regnad Kcin]

I did a quick search and found out Obama is Irish...Always after me Lucky Charms!

[Chaos]

Do we have any communists in the forum? If so, we are all commies...MaGz included.

I don´t think we have any commies here. But considering that MaGZ posts here, this means we are all Nazis.:eek:

Excuse me for a moment. I need to throw up. :boggled:

[Jaggy Bunnet]

I didn't know Seattle had coffee shops kids hung out in in the 60s.

My impression, derived entirely from TV/films (and therefore quite possibly totally wrong), was that this was kids main hobby in the 50's / 60's.

http://windows.fileoftheday.com/archives/games_coffee_tycoon.html

"As the youth culture of the 1960s evolved, non-Italians consciously copied these coffeehouses. Before the rise of the Seattle-based Starbucks chain, Seattle (and other parts of the Pacific Northwest) had a thriving, largely countercultural coffeehouse scene; Starbucks cleaned up, standardized, genericized, and "mainstreamed" this model."

In addition it suggests that the reason kids hung out in coffee shops was that they were too young to go to bars.

[CptColumbo]

Does this count???? It's a Che flag at an Obama campaign office in Houston. Looks like a Cuban/commie flag to me!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/barack_obama_che_guevara_1.jpgIIRC FOX actually did an on air retraction of it being a "Obama campaign office."

[joobz]

I don´t think we have any commies here. But considering that MaGZ posts here, this means we are all Nazis.:eek:

Excuse me for a moment. I need to throw up. :boggled:
TobiasTheCommie is a poster here, which is close enough to count.

[Praktik]

Is MagZ a debunker?

Kind of weird for someone like that to see commies everywhere...

[KingMerv00]

TobiasTheCommie is a poster here, which is close enough to count.

BAH!

Why should I believe a commie nazi liberal conservative gay straight christian deist atheist like you?.

[Tricky]

Is MagZ a debunker?

Kind of weird for someone like that to see commies everywhere...
Not terribly weird. As recently as the Reagan administration the Republican Party's number-one issue was the Red Menace. MagZ is kind of a holdover from those heady days when you could ruin someone just by calling them pink. It was a simpler time.

[Upchurch]

MagZ is kind of a holdover from those heady days when you could ruin someone just by calling them pink. It was a simpler time.
You might not be able to teach an old dog new tricks, but somehow they still end up on internet forum boards.

[shadron]

In a related item, NPR interviewed Frank Cunningham, a neoconservative broadcaster in Ohio, who got up in front of a Republican crowd a few days ago to "warm up the crowd" for a McCain. He says that he dislikes McCain in the first place, he only did the rabble rowsing at the insistence of Ohio's senator, and that he only used Obama's middle name "Hussein" twice in his speech in the same way as he would have said "Franklin Delano Roosevelt" or "John Sidney McCain". When asked why he amplified that to "Barack Mohammed Hussein Obama" some time back, he said he'd heard that was his real name, and that is was not meant as a slur. After McCain repudiated his warmer-upper in his own speech, Cunningham says he'll vote for Hilliary.

[Darth Rotor]

DR
You keep bringing up Liberation Theology. Wiki describes it as.

Is that it? From your repeated citing of this link I thought it was where all of the party members ended up after the wall came down.

Daredelvis
I first ran into it in studying Latin American political movements, 1950s to 1990s, and I'll describe it a bit differently. While initially it was a fusion of revolutionary, anti fascist and anti establishment sentiment and grass roots Catholicism, its pattern of fusing grass roots empowerment in the religious arena with activism in the political arena is applicable as a method well beyond the Catholic Church. That the Pope generally endorsed it (support later retracted, IIRC by John Paul II) at the time of Vatican II, the empowerment appeal is redolent of the early Church, first two centuries, activism as a counter culture vis a vis the Roman Empire.

What the UCC is doing is a form of that self empowerment, in spite of the establishment, and hardly needs a Catholic label to fuse that theme with political activism.

One of the recent successes, and failures, of the originally Catholic Liberation Theology approach was a fellow named Aristide, in Haiti.

DR

[Loss Leader]

Obama at the very least is a fellow traveler of the Communist Party just like him mom Stanley Ann Durham.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/


"Fellow traveler"? What year is this?

[Upchurch]

"Fellow traveler"? What year is this?
Along with "Communist Party", you should be asking "what century is this?"

[Tricky]

Along with "Communist Party", you should be asking "what century is this?"
Looks like "mid-twentieth (http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=6503)"
We'll teach you how to spot 'em in the cities or the sticks
For even Jasper Junction is just full of Bolsheviks
The CIA's subversive and so's the FCC
There's no one left but thee and we, and we're not sure of thee

Oh, we're the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society holding off the Reds
We'll use our hand and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads

Do you want Justice Warren for your Commissar?
Do you want Mrs. Krushchev in there with the DAR?
You cannot trust your neighbor or even next of kin
If mommie is a commie then you gotta turn her in

[The Painter]

...you should be asking "what century is this?"

Really? How old do you think Obama'a mother is?

[headscratcher4]

Yes, but Joe Stallin was a close second to Adolf in the massive killing deparment.
And Stalin was not above a little Genocide himself:Read about the Ukranian famine.
You might argue..and I would agree..that Hitler was the greater menace of the two and a alliance with Staling was justified on the grounds of necessity,but let's not have any illusions that Commusnism was often as brutal as Nazism at it's worst.
And that is not just confined to Stalin's Soviet Union. Mao and Pol Pot come to mind as being no slouches in the mass murder department.

Not to absolve Hitler of anything...but Joe Stalin was not a close second. He is competeing with Mao for the Olympic title.

[headscratcher4]

Well if we are playing guilt by association, I can then say Ron Paul is a racist because he once hung out (and took a photo) with the creator of the Stormfront webpage.


Let's not forget the Rumsfeld was in cohoots with Saddam...we've got the pictures to prove it. Oh, yeah, and Churchill hung out with Stalin on several occasions (we already understand the conclusions about FDR).

[headscratcher4]

Really? How old do you think Obama'a mother is?

Obama's mother is dead years old.

She heroically followed party orders and purposfully died of breast cancer (I think) back in 1995...so as to not be an issue when her son...a sleeper cell of one...was planted as the Communist candidate for president.

[Nogbad]

I'm a bit peeved at MaGz. He raised my hopes that the US might be voting in at least a Socialist - only to be cruelly dashed on the rocks of corporate reality. :(

Sigh!

[headscratcher4]

What I think is fun...is that it is apparently impossible to belive that McCain might have had a romantic relationship with a Lobbyist before his committee (he, of family values and a second marraige), and that such inuendo by the NYT's is an outrage. However, the right has no problem spreading this kind of drek where the documnentation makes the NYT's campaign story look as solid as the rock of Gibralter.

[dudalb]

Well if we are playing guilt by association, I can then say Ron Paul is a racist because he once hung out (and took a photo) with the creator of the Stormfront webpage.


MaGZ would consider that a huge point in Paul's favor.

[dudalb]

Not to absolve Hitler of anything...but Joe Stalin was not a close second. He is competeing with Mao for the Olympic title.

It's pretty much a open debate as to who the worst Mass Murderer of the 20th Century was between the Big Three...but I give the edge to Hitler,though not by much.

[dudalb]

MaGZ is a constant defender of Nazi Germany and considers Adolf and Company to be heros.
Someone should tell him about the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 1939.
Does that mean the Hitler was a fellow traveler? By MaGZ's logic it does.....

[FreshHat]

Do we have any communists in the forum? If so, we are all commies...MaGz included.


I am a Marxist of the Groucho tendency.

[headscratcher4]

It's pretty much a open debate as to who the worst Mass Murderer of the 20th Century was between the Big Three...but I give the edge to Hitler,though not by much.

Don't really want to argue the point...as Hitler and his regime were about as dispicable as they come...but you can probably lay the deaths of around 35 million directly at the feet of Stalin and both his knowing and unwitting policies...not to mention the imprisonment/enslavement of vast numbers of the USSR's population. With Mao, you can start with about 60 million, and it is likely higher.

Now, granted, there is something specially evil about Nazi death camps (though some of the gulag camps would likely give them a run for their money), but policies that cause death through intentional starvation, forced labor, forced relocation, etc. all count in the list of hitory's horrors. And, I fear, that Hitler would be envious of Stalin's or Mao's ultimate body count

[Ausmerican]

Starbucks cleaned up, standardized, genericized, and "mainstreamed" this model."

Y'know Jaggy, you could have just typed "ruined" instead of all that.

[Tricky]

I am a Marxist of the Groucho tendency.
He's no fun, he fell right over.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SK5E504SL._SS500_.jpg

[Irony]

Not only is he a communist, but his former girlfriend's uncle's college buddy's 8th grade Social Studies classmate once kicked a puppy.

[Lurker]

Not only is he a communist, but his former girlfriend's uncle's college buddy's 8th grade Social Studies classmate once kicked a puppy.

That does it! I ain't voting for no puppy-kicker!

[dudalb]

Obama stated the "Lawrence of Arabia" is one of his favorite movies. That means he is a secret Al Quida supporter.

[daredelvis]

Obama stated the "Lawrence of Arabia" is one of his favorite movies. That means he is a secret Al Quida supporter.
He liked "Lawrence of Arabia"!??!! That means he must be tolerant of "The Gay"!!

Daredelvis

[headscratcher4]

He secretlly wants to kill sodomite turks?

[marksman]

I did a quick search and found out Obama is Irish
So should we now write his name "O'bama"? :)

And since I'm Jewish, does that mean Magz is now a "fellow traveler" in Judaism? That would be quite the conundrum for him.

[dudalb]

He secretlly wants to kill sodomite turks?


Images of Obama on a Camel shouting "NO PRISONERS!" rises in my mind.
He stated two of his other favorite movies were "The Godfather" 1 and 2.
I will let you guys makes the obligatory jokes for that one.
But those three films are also three of my favorites,so I like his taste in movies....

[Regnad Kcin]

Obama's mother is dead years old.

She heroically followed party orders and purposfully died of breast cancer (I think) back in 1995...so as to not be an issue when her son...a sleeper cell of one...was planted as the Communist candidate for president.Is Angela Lansbury doing anything these days?

[dudalb]

I did a quick search and found out Obama is Irish

So is every politician in America Around March the 17th.

[dudalb]

Is Angela Lansbury doing anything these days?

Yeah,she running a Meat Pie shop in London despite pretenders like Helena Bonham Carter:D

[The Painter]

He's no fun, he fell right over.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SK5E504SL._SS500_.jpg

I love them. Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers. Good stuff.

So how is it you went left and I went right???? I have my own business. Do you work for the government???

[Tricky]

I love them. Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers. Good stuff.
I'm a big Firesign collector. I have most of their stuff, even the obscure ones.

So how is it you went left and I went right???? I have my own business. Do you work for the government???
Probably the way we were raised. My mom grew up in poverty and pretty much worshipped FDR. I guess I got her memes.

But no, I work for a big oil company. Go figure.

[Elizabeth I]

I am a Marxist of the Groucho tendency.

Me too, although for me it's a tossup between Groucho and Harpo.

[KingMerv00]

Me too, although for me it's a tossup between Groucho and Harpo.

Both give better speeches than Bush.

[dudalb]

I'm a big Firesign collector. I have most of their stuff, even the obscure ones.

Nick Danger rules!
And Ralph Spoilsport is not far behind.

[Tricky]

Nick Danger rules!
And Ralph Spoilsport is not far behind.
Yes, but have you met Dick Private, private dick?

[INRM]

Well, I hope he doesn't plan to turn America into a communist totalitarian dictatorship to work in concert with Russia.

The world as we know it in regards to freedom would be over. Think 1984 on steroids.


Of course it's hard to tell if this is just a Karl Rove smear tactic to make him look bad so Hillary will win...


INRM

[Skeptic Ginger]

... Cunningham says he'll vote for Hilliary.I heard that rumor as well, then I heard Cunningham directly and he said he would "not vote" rather than vote for McCain.

But it makes you wonder, if Rove really is that smart. The conspiracy would be to throw out the talking points now that McCain is a liberal, knowing that McCain has to be anti-Bush if he is ever to be elected. But McCain isn't anti-Bush. So what would be useful right now? Paint McCain as anti-Bush. Then when the time comes to vote you can always count on manipulating the base to come through on those single brain issues like abortion and gays.

What do you think? Is a Rove strategy at play here behind the scenes and is he that clever? It isn't all that much harder than a chess strategy working a few moves in advance.

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm a bit peeved at MaGz. He raised my hopes that the US might be voting in at least a Socialist - only to be cruelly dashed on the rocks of corporate reality. :(

Sigh!Not that you have to be a commie to be for the people and the common good over corporate greed, (capitalism can work quite well for the people and the common good you know), but Obama and Clinton both are disappointingly in the corporate fold. I'll still take either of them and work with it over the Republican nightmare we've just had for the last 7 years.

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's pretty much a open debate as to who the worst Mass Murderer of the 20th Century was between the Big Three...but I give the edge to Hitler,though not by much.I think if you actually do a head count, Hitler just had more publicity and was more brazen about it.
Stalin and Mao are certainly in the competition. The totals just aren't known for any of them really.

Stalin's death count (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Stalin)Higher estimates: MEDIAN: 51 million for the entire Stalin Era; 20M during the 1930s.
Lower estimates: MEDIAN: 8.5 Million during the 1930s.
AVERAGE: Of the 17 estimates of the total number of victims of Stalin, the median is 30 million.

Mao Zedong's death count (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Mao)Analysis: If we line up the 14 sources which claim to be complete, the median falls in the 45.75 to 52.5 million range

Hitler's death count (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Hitler)MEDIAN: ca. 15.5M
NOTE: These numbers only include outright murders, but keep in mind that some 28M civilians and 14M soldiers died in the European War. That's 42,000,000 deaths which can probably be blamed on Hitler to one extent or another.

[Kopji]

I don't think that running on an 'anti Bush' platform is going to get anyone elected. It's like making fun of crazy uncle Fester.

Rove is very clever, but a Rove strategy goes something like: (I'm making this all up) accusing you of fathering a black child, when everyone knows that black child by your side was adopted. And while you are momentarily stunned that such a claim is actually getting feet with stupid voting Americans, you would be faced with formal requests to turn in your war medals. Youtube testimonies from your ex torturers that you weren't really tortured all that badly would even be on Fox.

Now that's more Rove's style. I think that we can be pretty sure that by the time Rove is through supporting McCain, we will all be wondering how we could have ever considered electing an atheist terrorist like Obama into office, and how grateful we should be that we have a God Fearing alternative like McCain.

[Skeptic Ginger]

I understand all that part, Kopji. Obama is a Muslim, wears a turban, went to a madrassa, hangs with Farrakhan, and now we see he's really a Commie.

But the other problem Rove has is there are way more Dems coming to the polls than Reps. And almost half of them are for Clinton. So sheer numbers are coming out to vote "for change". If McCain is seen as "not change" then he can't win no matter how they trash Obama with nonsense.

(BTW, I happen to think most people are not going to fall for a black baby war coward one more time, but who knows what Rove believes.)

[Kopji]

As a loyal 'Independent', I think Clinton would probably make a good president. McCain would, Obama would. I think Romney probably had good business sense but was a bit wishywashy, and Huckabee would probably not start WW3 hoping to force Jesus's hand but why take the chance? Ron Paul is a little too much like a cult leader for someone with my background to vote for, but I'm sure he's a nice enough guy.

Bush is sort of a war coward and he got elected, so I don't think people really care much. Two good things that Bush has done as President is 1: hopefully inoculated us from blindly following a fool, at least for a few years. And 2:, shown us that even a person of average intelligence and skill could probably do a really fine job as president, with quality staff and advisors.

If I were to guess, it would be that the 08 election will turn on how motivated people are to vote. Republicans could very well just stay home and watch TV if they are apathetic about the Democrat candidate. A Dem strategy will surely be to not motivate Republicans to vote, unless of course, it is for the Democratic candidate. :D

The upcoming strategy against McCain could be that he's just not a very nice person and doesn't really play very well with other children. He has a reputation as being something of a bully here in Arizona, and that will of course be developed and expanded during the months ahead.

[Darth Rotor]

If McCain is seen as "not change" then he can't win no matter how they trash Obama with nonsense.

That is the GOP's problem, in a nutshell, in November. Substitute Hillary for Obama in that sentence and it still works.

DR

[joobie]

well i quit my job so i could work alone
changed my name to sherlock holmes
followed some clues in my detective bag
discovered there were red stripes in the american flag!

that ol' betsy ross...

[Skeptic Ginger]

That is the GOP's problem, in a nutshell, in November. Substitute Hillary for Obama in that sentence and it still works.

DR[side track]That is the lie from Obama's campaign, ignored as negative campaigning, and typical of the crap people don't notice in verbal manipulation of thought.

Are you claiming Bill Clinton and GW Bush's Presidencies were the same? Bull![/sidetrack]

[CFLarsen]

[side track]That is the lie from Obama's campaign, ignored as negative campaigning, and typical of the crap people don't notice in verbal manipulation of thought.

Are you claiming Bill Clinton and GW Bush's Presidencies were the same? Bull![/sidetrack]

Which two presidencies were the "same"?

[Dr Adequate]

[side track]That is the lie from Obama's campaign, ignored as negative campaigning, and typical of the crap people don't notice in verbal manipulation of thought.

Are you claiming Bill Clinton and GW Bush's Presidencies were the same? Bull![/sidetrack] I do not believe that you read Darth Rotor's post carefully enough.

Let's look at it again in slow motion.

If McCain is seen as "not change" then he can't win no matter how they trash Obama with nonsense. That is the GOP's problem, in a nutshell, in November. Substitute Hillary for Obama in that sentence and it still works. Here's the sentence as re-written according to Darth Rotor's intructions:

"If McCain is seen as "not change" then he can't win no matter how they trash Hillary with nonsense ..."

Any objections? Is this a "lie from the Obama people"? "Verbal manipulation of thought"? "Claiming Bill Clinton and GW Bush's Presidencies were the same"?

The word "hostility" comes to mind, I can't think why.

[Nogbad]

Not that you have to be a commie to be for the people and the common good over corporate greed, (capitalism can work quite well for the people and the common good you know), but Obama and Clinton both are disappointingly in the corporate fold. I'll still take either of them and work with it over the Republican nightmare we've just had for the last 7 years.

To be sure, being whacked with the little stick is preferable to being whacked with the big stick. ;)

My first post was a little tongue in cheek to be honest.

[Skeptic Ginger]

I do not believe that you read Darth Rotor's post carefully enough.

Let's look at it again in slow motion.

Here's the sentence as re-written according to Darth Rotor's intructions:

"If McCain is seen as "not change" then he can't win no matter how they trash Hillary with nonsense ..."

Any objections? Is this a "lie from the Obama people"? "Verbal manipulation of thought"? "Claiming Bill Clinton and GW Bush's Presidencies were the same"?

The word "hostility" comes to mind, I can't think why.[side track continued, hopefully for the last post] It doesn't even make any sense posed that way. So if I read DR to be saying Obama/Clinton instead of McCain/Clinton then, I misread it. I misread it apparently because it made no sense to me the other way around.

It doesn't change the charge I made:

This specific campaign rhetoric spoken many times by Obama in response to Clinton's emphasis on his experience implies Clinton is part of the Bush debacle when that is a false accusation.

Remarks of Senator Barack Obama: Potomac Primary Night; Madison, WI | February 12, 2008 (http://www.barackobama.com/2008/02/12/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_48.php)

We can't keep playing the same Washington game with the same Washington players and expect a different result – because it's a game that ordinary Americans are losing.

I understand the reasonableness of such an reply to the 'not enough experience' charge, but it falsely attributes what everyone is disgusted with in Bush's government to Clinton. It's a farce to claim this is a only comment on the partisanship deadlocks over the years or the politics of special interests, which Obama is not so far removed from as he pretends.

Yet no one in the media points out the false implication in Obama's rhetoric that the country has been suffering from the worst administration, perhaps in history, for 15 years when it has only been the last 7. Regardless of Bill's personal issues, the country under Bill Clinton was nothing like under Bush.

As for the hostility, yes I'm hostile...toward Darth, whom I first encountered when he called me a skeptic bimbo. Such ad homs are typical of his posts in the politics forums.

And it has nothing to do whatsoever with the thread on my experience at the caucus with Obama supporters. A charge which you seem to have taken a bit personal it would seem, yet I was merely describing what I observed and had not observed in previous caucuses. I also posted what other people had written about Obama. I attacked no one personally. I tried to have a reasonable discussion about it. I see nothing particularly hostile about that. [end side track - feel free to PM me or carry this back to the Obama hostility thread if there really is any more to be said]

[Dr Adequate]

It doesn't even make any sense posed that way. So if I read DR to be saying Obama/Clinton instead of McCain/Clinton then, I misread it. I misread it apparently because it made no sense to me the other way around. Why not? His claim is that if McCain is identified with the last eight years, then Hillary will win. You understood the original claim, made by you, that Obama would beat McCain under those circumstances. I don't see why you don't understand the same claim when made of Hillary rather than Obama.

Surely this does make sense to you, as one of her supporters. You cannot, surely, be convinced that she'd lose under those conditions? If so, can I interest you in an Obama bumper sticker?

It doesn't change the charge I made: Yes it does. 'Cos of it not being true, and stuff. A post from Darth Rotor, a moderate conservative, saying that Hillary Clinton can beat McCain, is not a "lie from the Obama campaign", is not "verbal manipulation of thought", is not "claiming Bill Clinton and GW Bush's Presidencies were the same", is not in any way derogatory of Hillary Clinton, and indeed seems rather free of political bias.

I understand the reasonableness of such an reply to the 'not enough experience' charge, but it falsely attributes what everyone is disgusted with in Bush's government to Clinton. Er ... no it doesn't. In any way. Whatsoever. Which is why it is reasonable.

Yet no one in the media points out the false implication in Obama's rhetoric that the country has been suffering from the worst administration, perhaps in history, for 15 years when it has only been the last 7. Regardless of Bill's personal issues, the country under Bill Clinton was nothing like under Bush. If that is what Obama is "implying", then why is it that Obama's supporters haven't been convinced to believe anything remotely like that by his wonderful powers of rhetoric, and only you can see this mysterious "false implication"?

[Elizabeth I]

If so, can I interest you in an Obama bumper sticker?

[answering a question not asked of me, but answering it anyway]I have an Obama bumper sticker. It says (since we're in South Texas), "Obamanos" (an Obama/Spanish pun.) It's already on my car.[/answering a question not asked...etc.]

[MaGZ]

All over the USA Communist Party members and supporters are swinging in behind Barack Obama.



http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/01/obama-file-8-baltimore-communists-back.html

[sackett]

MaG! Heil!

Don't listen to the commie pinko queers on this forum. That red moslem nigg- 'scuse me, Person of Color, Hussein Obamination, lives for the day when he can pollute your precious bodily fluids.

And your mama's.

[headscratcher4]

CPU memebers flooding to Obama...a flood of dozens? Too funny. He's going to get the Shaker vote..and the whigs too.

[dudalb]

I am sure some of MaGZ's White Surpemists buddies will vote for Obama precisely becuase they think his election as President would cause the Racial Holy War they want so badly to break out.

[BPSCG]

Free speech is a good thing. It makes it easier to spot the idiots.

[Cleon]

The CPUSA has been campaigning for Democrats for decades. They haven't had a Presidential candidate of their own since 84, the last time Gus Hall ran.