"A Quiz About Crossing Over, The Process and JE"....Well...????

[Clancie]

Well, how about a change of pace?

Here's the link to a quiz about Crossing Over, JE's work, and "the process". Why not see how much you know? (There's only one possible little problem: that you have to get at least 70% right to advance to the "harder levels"....:p ).

CO/JE quiz (http://www.johnedwardpictures.net/quizintro.html)

[Garrette]

Made it to the third level. Here are the questions I missed (not verbatim):

What kinds of pets does JE have?

What are their names?

Do all Psychics have the ability to be mediums (according to JE)?

What is the number to call for tickets to CO? (actually, I got this right, but it's a bleeping ridiculous question for a quiz about 'process' dontchathin?

Who is One Last Time (JE's book) dedicated to?

What age was JE when he had his first OBE?

With what television show was JE obsessed as a child?

Which family member taught JE the value of earth, universe, meditation, and yoga?

Who does JE consider the only Spiritual teacher on earth?

What tool did JE use when he first began to do Psychic Fairs?

Who wrote "The Seance: Healing Messages from Beyond"?


Questions regarding how JE received messages or what he cautioned his audience to do prior to showing up ("check your expectations at the door"--rather telling, I think) I got without fail.


Are you going to suggest that because I missed these questions I don't know enough about CO, JE, or "the process."

Be careful if you are or I'll create a quiz about magic and mentalism, then I'll have Claus and Instg8r add questions on internet searches that can be done in two hours. Then, if you don't progress far enough, we'll say you can't comment on whether or not JE could be cheating.

Or I could make it even more analogous and ask you questions about the process of cold reading, complete with questions about when Ian Rowland first thought of writing "The Full Facts Book of Cold Reading" or to whom Banachek's "Psychological Subtleties" is dedicated.

[Ed]

JE sounds a bit like ...

Gilderoy Lockhart: "AMAZING! This is just like magic!"

Some of these questions sound a bit, well, "self absorbed" comes to mind.

[MRC_Hans]

Crossing Over with John Edward has brought comfort to those who watch.

Maybe, but has it actually helped them in their possible grief processes?

It has also become a wonderful classroom for those who want to learn more about the afterlife

Ehr, no. It has become a demonstration of what JE claims about a possible afterlife. Which is that spirits are barely able to communicate and have practically nothing to say apart from banalities.

More from the "Cool intro" (some fifth grader playing with javascript):

Communicate
Appreciate
Validate

Can't wait for that validation :rolleyes:

Good! I got 2 right on the first "level". I'm proud of that :p .

Hans

[Clancie]

Posted by Garrette

Are you going to suggest that because I missed these questions I don't know enough about CO, JE, or "the process."
Um...no, Garrette, actually I wasn't.

I admit I'm curious how most people who post about JE would do on this, but.... I'll probably never know :(. Thanks for sharing your scores--and MRC Hans, too. :)

(btw, I think I'd do fine on a quiz of Ian's book and cold reading in general, although you're right that I've never read the Banachek book but its also not referenced in debate here, as I recall.....:p)
Posted by Garrette

Who does JE consider the only Spiritual teacher on earth?
Garrette, wasn't this questions about who JE credits with being his spiritual teacher, not the "only spiritual teacher on earth"? I think it was.

[Ersby]

Cleared level four. :D

There's no level five. :(

[TLN]

Originally posted by Clancie
Well, how about a change of pace?

You ignoring everything taught to you in previous threads is not a change of pace.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by TLN
You ignoring everything taught to you in previous threads is not a change of pace.

I agree. This thread is merelty a pathetic attempt of diverting attention from the fact that Clancie has consistently ignored a plethora of questions.

Let's get back to business: "Questions for Clancie" (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21304)

Oh, sorry....should be this: "Questions Clancie does NOT want to answer" (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23764)

[renata]

Originally posted by CFLarsen


I agree. This thread is merelty a pathetic attempt of diverting attention from the fact that Clancie has consistently ignored a plethora of questions.

Let's get back to business: "Questions for Clancie" (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21304)

Oh, sorry....should be this: "Questions Clancie does NOT want to answer" (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23764)

Maybe if you added some music and put it into quiz form....

Edited to say- by the way, I also cleared level 4.

There was no level 5. I found level 3 harder than level 4, frankly. I found questions about his pets on level 2 inane. Kind of like questions on junior high questionnairres girls passed around. Making sure someone "really" was into JE. I was also amused at some "wrong" multiple choice answers. How does JE communicate with spirits- through an earpiece. A little Popoff flashback, there :)
The only real process questions really where on levels 1 and 4 and I think pretty much any skeptic here would answer them easily with or without watching CO. We may not know the name of his pets, or who taught him yoga, or what age he was when he met this person or that, or when he had his first out of body experience, but we can discuss mediumship coherently. I really really do hope they kill the music.

[Clancie]

Posted by ersby

Cleared level four. :)
Hi, ersby, that's pretty impressive--especially since you've still never seen "CO", right? Darned good! :) (But hardly surprising given your serious efforts to understand JE's results and how they compare with various cold reading techniques).

[TLN]

Ersby, would you say John Edward is talking to dead people?

[Clancie]

TLN,

Have you ever read ersby's posts or his article in Skeptic Report?

I think there will be some (excellent) JE critics here (and ersby is one) who are critical of JE and mediumship but actually know a lot about JE and his work and therefore their comments carry a lot of weight.

These aren't the ones who think "bashing believers is fun" or "JE's a fraud" because "people can't talk to the dead."

It might be interesting for you to differentiate these kinds of JE critics here and see which group you think that you fit with best....:rolleyes:

[TLN]

Originally posted by Clancie
Have you ever read ersby's posts or his article in Skeptic Report?

Yes.

Originally posted by Clancie
I think there will be some (excellent) JE critics here who are critical but actually know a lot about JE and his work and their criticism comes from knowledge and interpretation...rather than just because "bashing believers is fun" or because they "know" he's a fraud because "people can't talk to the dead." :rolleyes:

Clancie, you're so transparent. Let me summarize for you so there's no confusion (though I've done so before and you just ignore me):

I've watched plenty of CO.

I've read plenty of cold readers who can do what Edward does (like the example above).

Even if we were to accept that there are differing levels of "authorities" on Edward, it would be irrelevant as skepticism doesn't recognize authorities.

Clancie, you simply want to marginalize me in an attempt to ignore me. I'm closed-minded or I haven't watched CO or I'm a cynic or I've made up my mind already or I think bashing believers is fun (which brings up an interesting point, read this) (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6666).

Any other excuse or subject will do rather than addressing the points I raise.

[Clancie]

Well, TLN, I didn't do all the name calling. You did it yourself.
I am curious about this:
Posted by TLN

I've read plenty of cold readers who can do what Edward does (like the example above).
Well, Claus hauled out for you Neil's much argued over reading (which indisputably, is NOT like an unedited hour long live appearance of Neil giving a reading on LKL).

But you keep saying there are "plenty". Does Claus need to do all the work? Can you come up with some names of all these cold readers who "can do what Edward does"? I'd like to see who you exactly have in mind when you say this.

P.S. As for the "bashing believers is fun" comment, I was thinking of thaiboxerken, who has said exactly that here before.

[TLN]

Originally posted by Clancie
But you keep saying there are "plenty". Does Claus need to do all the work? Can you come up with some names of all these cold readers who "can do what Edward does"? I'd like to see who you exactly have in mind when you say this.

Yes, I've seen them, and seen them presented to you. You simply rationalize them away. I guess I'll find them again, if only to play fair.

[Clancie]

Posted by TLN

I guess I'll find them again, if only to play fair.
Yes, that does seem a reasonable thing to do, since you keep saying I ignore these people and I have no idea whom you're talking about.

[TLN]

Originally posted by Clancie
Yes, that does seem a reasonable thing to do, since you keep saying I ignore these people and I have no idea whom you're talking about.

Let's see... Claus?

This is where you tell me what a big meanie he is.

And let's see... me? Ditto. I'm a terrible person.

[Clancie]

Posted by TLN

Let's see... Claus?

This is where you tell me what a big meanie he is.

And let's see... me? Ditto. I'm a terrible person.

As you so often say to me, TLN, "focus". :rolleyes:

Here's what you said and my response. I'm talking about wanting to see all these cold readers that you claimed in your previous posts that I ignore. Unless this applies to you or Claus, you are, uh, straying from the topic.
Posted by TLN
Yes, I've seen them (cold readers like JE), and seen them presented to you. You simply rationalize them away.

I guess I'll find them again, if only to play fair.
To which I replied
Posted by Clancie

Yes, that does seem a reasonable thing to do, since you keep saying I ignore these people and I have no idea whom you're talking about.

Unless you and Claus are cold readers, your post above makes no sense.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Clancie
Does Claus need to do all the work? Can you come up with some names of all these cold readers who "can do what Edward does"? I'd like to see who you exactly have in mind when you say this.

I don't mind. Don't make any assumptions on my behalf.

What difference does it make who brings up the evidence, as long as it is brought up? Stop changing the subject, Clancie!

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Clancie
Yes, that does seem a reasonable thing to do, since you keep saying I ignore these people and I have no idea whom you're talking about.

Clancie.

Clancie, Clancie, Clancie....you have put me on ignore so many times, and taken me off ignore, too. Right now, I am back off ignore. You addressed a post I made, so you cannot possibly claim that you have me on ignore.

Stop the charade, stop being such a friggin' hypocrite, and start addressing the issues!

[Thanz]

Originally posted by CFLarsen


I agree. This thread is merelty a pathetic attempt of diverting attention from the fact that Clancie has consistently ignored a plethora of questions.
Claus, get over yourself. Is it not possible that Clancie would want to talk about something other than your long list of questions and constant badgering?

Is there some sort of JREF rule that says she can't start a different thread unless she answers your questions?

It's not all about you, ya know.

[CFLarsen]

Originally posted by Thanz

Claus, get over yourself. Is it not possible that Clancie would want to talk about something other than your long list of questions and constant badgering?

Is there some sort of JREF rule that says she can't start a different thread unless she answers your questions?

It's not all about you, ya know.

I quite agree. It's about finding answers to questions.

I can easily understand why Clancie wants to talk about something else than the questions that are piling up, not just from me, but from others, too. That doesn't make the questions go away, though.

Here, we seek answers.

[Jeff Corey]

I got 9 on level one by lying. And didn't pass level two, because who cares if his dogs are named Uri and Geller. Or
Chackra and Vibration.
And he rubs his hands together just like Scrooge McDuck, because he's thinking about the money the suckers are paying him.

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by Clancie
Well, how about a change of pace?

Here's the link to a quiz about Crossing Over, JE's work, and "the process". Why not see how much you know? (There's only one possible little problem: that you have to get at least 70% right to advance to the "harder levels"....:p ).

CO/JE quiz (http://www.johnedwardpictures.net/quizintro.html)

I never got enough to advance to the next level. But there again I have never seen the programme. I got 6 correct.

[Rat]

Apparently, I won't get the full benefit of this, because of my outdated browser, so I should upgrade first. Odd, as the browser was built last night. Do I need to download a new one every hour now, or did someone lazy or ignorant write a needless and inaccurate browser sniffer?

Cheers,
Rat.

[Yahweh]

That was a fun little quiz.

I scored 40/40...

(I required the repeated use of the F5 key but I did it :D... )

[Lord Kenneth]

He gets his energy going and it helps him raise his vibration so he can read the Gallery - Correct Answer


Yes, Clancie, this is a real skeptical, in-depth quiz examing JE's "process".

:rolleyes:

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by ratcomp1974
Apparently, I won't get the full benefit of this, because of my outdated browser, so I should upgrade first. Odd, as the browser was built last night. Do I need to download a new one every hour now, or did someone lazy or ignorant write a needless and inaccurate browser sniffer?

Cheers,
Rat.
I had the same problem using Firebird, I just quickly opened up IE and pasted the URL into it, then it worked just fine.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Lord Kenneth
Yes, Clancie, this is a real skeptical, in-depth quiz examing JE's "process".

:rolleyes:
Its a "fun" test, that means recreation.

Do you get this wound up when you take the What's Your Cat's Type (http://www.emode.com/tests/cattype/authorize/register.jsp?url=/tests/cattype/index.jsp) test on Emode.com?

Ever wonder What's you Goddess Groove? (http://www.emode.com/tests/goddess_groove/authorize/register.jsp?url=/tests/goddess_groove/index.jsp)

Enough of your needless baiting.

[thaiboxerken]

"8. How does John get the messages?

1 The studio goes into Red Alert status and there is a flashing sign for John that says "stand back everyone! Incoming message for John!"
2 Might and Magic
3 By seeing , feeling and hearing them in his own frame of reference.
4 In his earpiece."

The correct answer, cold-reading, isn't even presented.

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
"8. How does John get the messages?

1 The studio goes into Red Alert status and there is a flashing sign for John that says "stand back everyone! Incoming message for John!"
2 Might and Magic
3 By seeing , feeling and hearing them in his own frame of reference.
4 In his earpiece."

The correct answer, cold-reading, isn't even presented.
Also missing is "pulls them out of his a**"

[renata]

Originally posted by Pyrrho

Also missing is "pulls them out of his a**"

Actually, I thought this question, as well as the one LK quoted and a few others showed quite a keen sense of humor on behalf of the quiz composer. Once again, I felt only levels 1 and 4 dealt with the process, and for me level 3 was the most difficult one, because it dealt with his biography. The 4th level serious people here would ace, only one question paused a problem for me- definition of "smudging".

On a different note, there was a question on the quiz, (don't recall the level now) asking what "above" meant, and the correct answer was something like- the spirit is older, like parents or grandparents. As this was about the process, I think it goes directly to argument with RC in another thread, about whether symbols for parents and grandparents are sometimes interchangeable, this quiz seems to confirm his and my impression that they can be.

So far only few people posted their results. It looks like of the people who posted their results only Ersby and I went all the way (I am not counting you, Yahweh, cheater! :)). Ersby, what is up with that creepy green eyed animation at the end? I guess we are the only two people here "fit" to discuss JE! Hardly surprising given our serious efforts to understand JE's results and how they compare with various cold reading techniques!

[Garrette]

Posted by Clancie


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Posted by Garrette

Are you going to suggest that because I missed these questions I don't know enough about CO, JE, or "the process."
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Um...no, Garrette, actually I wasn't.


Great. We are agreed, then, that this is not a test of knowledge about process but more an egotistical marketing ploy? :)



(btw, I think I'd do fine on a quiz of Ian's book and cold reading in general, although you're right that I've never read the Banachek book but its also not referenced in debate here, as I recall.....)

When I get the chance (and it won't be for quite some time), I'll try to put such a quiz together, then.

And the point of mentioning the Banachek book is that not all 'processes' are identical, and not all information comes from one source.


Garrette, wasn't this questions about who JE credits with being his spiritual teacher, not the "only spiritual teacher on earth"? I think it was.

Could be. I didn't copy them verbatim.

[Ersby]

Originally posted by renata

Ersby, what is up with that creepy green eyed animation at the end?

I found the animations so annoying. I was in an internet cafè, and those things were costing me money!

What I found funny was that you could get clues to the answers by reading all the questions first, before answering any. On one occasion there was the question "Who does JE consider the only Spiritual teacher on earth?" and then a list of names. I thought "I'll come back to that." But then, maybe two questions later, it asked "When did JE have his first reading with such-and-such" so I guessed that must be his spiritual teacher. And I was right.

Of course, feeding back information is a basic cold reading technique, but I could just as well pretend that I knew it all along and no one could ever tell the difference. :D

[Clancie]

Poated by Garrette

Great. We are agreed, then, that this is not a test of knowledge about process but more an egotistical marketing ploy?
No, Garrette not in agreement after all! :(

This isn't a quiz put together by JE. It's from a JE fan's website. JE Fan's website with quiz (http://www.johnedwardpictures.net/thisnthat.html) That's why some of the questions have more of a "fan" flavor than a "process" one.....And yes, why I thought it would be interesting/fun for people who argue a lot about JE to try

I'll look forward to your quiz one of these days about Ian's book (multiple choice, right? :) ).

[Lurker]

My scores:
9/10
7/10
5/10

The personal stuff on JE was pretty tough. Frankly, I don't want to know that much about him. Trvia.

Fun quiz, Clancie.

Lurker

[Garrette]

Fair enough, Clancie. It's a promotional site created by fans and not an egotistical site created by JE. I can accept that.

In either case, though, it's not about testing someone's knowledge of the process.

I will do the Rowland quiz, but as I said, it will be a long time. A very long time.

[voidx]

Got stopped on level 3

Level 1 - 10/10
Level 2 - 9/10
Level 3 - 5/10

Not too surprising, I don't know much about Edwards childhood history and the like which is what level 3 concetrates on. Was easy to guess my way through most things though. I guessed he had 2 dogs, and I guessed the right names. Like any multiple choice once you eliminate the obviously wrong choices its always 50/50. Definately a "fan" based quiz though.

[neofight]

Passed with flying colors, (but of course) and even went on to sign the petition at the end of all the levels. ;)

I was bummed that I got a total of two questions wrong, both having to do with JE age at various points. One was when I said he was seven when he had his first out of body experience, and he was four. lol ......neo

[Clancie]

Lol, neo. I knew you would score better on this quiz than me! :)

I missed three--all on the third level, all of them about "One Last Time" (I didn't know who it was dedicated to...didn't know when he had the OBE...and missed the tool he first used at psychic fairs. :) ) Since all three were kind of in the beginning of the section, there was a real question in my mind if I'd even get to try the next set!

Other people would probably come up with different range of questions, but I thought she covered a lot, and it was enjoyable to see what I remembered/knew and didn't know. I'm glad some non-JE fans here had fun with it, too (there are some whose results I'd be very curious about, but I guess I'll never know!)

[MRC_Hans]

Originally posted by neofight
*snip* One was when I said he was seven when he had his first out of body experience, and he was four. lol ......neo Jeesh, I had OBE's all the time when I was four :rolleyes:

Hans