But.. But... It's a cool T-shirt!

[Redtail]

First some background. One of my pet peeves is seeing people wear a T-shirt/button/whatever with a person's picture or a symbol on it which they know nothing about. They wear it just because some rapper or rock star was wearing it in a video or because it looked cool in the store. I tell my students on the first day of class every semester that if they wear such things they might want to research it because odds are I'll ask them about it and if they don't know what the person/symbol stands for they're going to hear about it. If I know what it stands for and they don't they'll hear about it even longer. The funnier (to me at least) the better.

Now then, today at FSU 3 young women walked into my class wearing shirts with this on them.


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:sF4JjbP-dB1_MM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/BDSM-rights-flag-Tanos.svg/800px-BDSM-rights-flag-Tanos.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/BDSM-rights-flag-Tanos.svg/800px-BDSM-rights-flag-Tanos.svg.png)...

As per my beginning of the semester promise, I asked what it meant. (A risk I know, but a promise is a promise and from what i know about the girls I was fairly sure they didn't know. Plus I was planning to cut their explanation short in case they did, and I waited until after class to tell them. For those that don't understand I'll get to it in a bit.)
They said they weren't sure but they liked the "yin-yang peace thingy".

I then explained that the Background was a flag... The "BDSM rights" flag to be exact, and the symbol in the middle was a representation of the brand "O" got when she became a full sex slave. (At least I think the brand was the same as the ring.) They were shocked.

I told that to ask this...
Why do people wear, decorate their houses, even tattoo themselves with things they know nothing about?

Granted in my traditional-Black-guy-in-college-hyper-Black-pride phase I wore shirts with MLK, Malcolm X, WEB De Bois, etc... on them but I knew who they were, and what they stood for.

Is this not knowing a new thing or has it always been around?

[quixotecoyote]

I'm impressed you recognized that. I wouldn't have identified it from the description in the book.

[Redtail]

I'm impressed you recognized that. I wouldn't have identified it from the description in the book.

:D Don't be. Although I have read the book, my Fiancee directed a show in undergrad that took place in a BDSM parlor and in her research she came across that design and it was the backdrop for the set. I asked her what it was and she told me.:o

[JoeEllison]

Sad that I knew that it was a kink symbol... yeah, really, don't ask.

This isn't that bad, on balance. I knew a guy who got a tattoo that looked like this:
http://images.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/justforfun/images/gratefuldead_20070108135140.jpg

He had no idea that it had anything to do with the Grateful Dead when he got it, and spent YEARS explaining to people that he wasn't a hippie or even into jam bands... :(

We call this "bad juju" where I come from.

[timhau]

Believe it or not, I've encountered a person wearing a Harley-Davidson T-shirt who, in all seriousness, asked "Oh, they make motorcycles too?"

[Ian Osborne]

You're right about that being the BDSM flag, but the symbol is nothing to do with The Story of 'O'. It was invented a long time after the book was published.

There's an explanation of what it means online, but I can't Google for it at work. I know the three dots stand for 'safe, sane and consensual', the three pillars of BDSM. The background behind the logo is the Leather Pride flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather_Pride_flag), onto which the BDSM logo has been superimposed.

[CFLarsen]

Reminds me of the story of the nice, elderly lady who lived in Frederiksberg, a small enclave within Copenhagen. Frederiksberg has traditionally been largely for the wealthier, and hence conservative, people.

This lady told a newspaper that she never knew the names of the local politicians running for city council, but instead she would just mark the party letter on the ballot (parties use single letters to identify themselves). She had always voted Conservative (Konservative), so she faithfully put her X at party "K" at every election she had ever participated in.

What she didn't know was that, while the Conservative Party uses "C" as their letter, "K" is for the Communists...

[TragicMonkey]

It's surprising how many people don't know what common symbols mean. My mother, for instance, frowns whenever she sees a rainbow sticker on a car. She thinks it means the car's driver gives money to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition. I've never had the guts to ask her what she thinks the pink triangle means. I'm afraid she'd answer that it must have something to do with Lucky Charms cereal.

[Worm]

I wear a shirt theat says 'RTFM'

Unfortunately, those who really need to know what this means, never do.

[PogoPedant]

I told that to ask this...
Why do people wear, decorate their houses, even tattoo themselves with things they know nothing about?

Aesthetics.

Sometimes it really is a cool t-shirt.

If none of their peers know what the symbol means, the symbol, for all practical purposes, means nothing.

I sometimes wear the Decepticon logo on my chest, despite not actually favouring evil killer-robots destroying earth and enslaving humanity. I didn't even like the movie.

[baron]

You're saying the swastika on my forehead has a meaning?

[PogoPedant]

You're saying the swastika on my forehead has a meaning?

Yeah, it's a symbol of the sun-wheel, rolling across the sky.

Symbols are a bitch.

[four elevener]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:sF4JjbP-dB1_MM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/BDSM-rights-flag-Tanos.svg/800px-BDSM-rights-flag-Tanos.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/BDSM-rights-flag-Tanos.svg/800px-BDSM-rights-flag-Tanos.svg.png)...
I then explained that the Background was a flag... The "BDSM rights" flag to be exact, and the symbol in the middle was a representation of the brand "O" got when she became a full sex slave. (At least I think the brand was the same as the ring.) They were shocked.


I've seen one similar, but with a red heart in one of the upper corners, I think.

[Ian Osborne]

I've seen one similar, but with a red heart in one of the upper corners, I think.

That's a version of the Leather Pride flag.

[Rolfe]

Nobody's ever asked me about my NWO Kitty sweatshirt....

Rolfe.

[HarryKeogh]

I wear a Che Guevara t-shirt but only because the actor who played him in The Motorcycle Diaries was so dreamy.

[The Painter]

I wear a Che Guevara t-shirt

You wear it because it is acceptable in your circle of friends.

Wear this one and see what they do.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/shirtsquare-lousy.jpg

[HarryKeogh]

You wear it because it is acceptable in your circle of friends.

Wear this one and see what they do.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/shirtsquare-lousy.jpg

As a joke, I actually wore that very T-shirt to a Rage Against The Machine concert. I was singled out, brought up on stage and it was ripped of my chest. I was also punched in the neck. Twice. I then learned the error of my ways and promptly walked to the souvenir stand and bought a $30 T-shirt that said "Capitalism is Evil!".

[The Painter]

As a joke, I actually wore that very T-shirt to a Rage Against The Machine concert. I was singled out, brought up on stage and it was ripped of my chest. I was also punched in the neck. Twice. I then learned the error of my ways and promptly walked to the souvenir stand and bought a $30 T-shirt that said "Capitalism is Evil!".

WOW. You got a big set there, to do that. You almost made it 100 million plus 1.

$30 T-shirt that said "Capitalism is Evil!".
Ya gotta love this.

[Mobyseven]

You're saying the swastika on my forehead has a meaning?

Yep. Means you're a Buddhist.

It was really, really strange getting used to the swastikas everywhere in Japan...

You wear it because it is acceptable in your circle of friends.

Wear this one and see what they do.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/shirtsquare-lousy.jpg

WANT!!!!!!

Is that available online, and if so through what site?

[shuize]

I've lived in Japan of and on for a while. The first time I came here was before Asian characters ever caught on in the United States. Imagine my surprise when I moved back to the U.S. for a while to work in a court related job and discovered the popularity of nonsensical or oddly used kanji tattoos.

Me: "Do you know what those characters mean?"

Dumb Gang Member: "No." Or, "I think it means ... "

Me: "Yeah. Why bother to check before stamping yourself with it for life."

[Beerina]

Is this not knowing a new thing or has it always been around?

Bzzzt! The correct answer, when three young women appear wearing a symbol of full acceptance as a sex slave, is, "If you don't know what it means, ladies, come on over later and we can explore this...together."

[sackett]

Sometimes I wear my IWW tee to pottery class. Sure, I know who the Wobblies were*, but the Grosse Pointers and Birminghamoids seem to have no idea. Of course, everything I wear when making pottery is quickly covered with mud.


* Are? Nah, the modern Wobs are just a little band of fuzzy-witted middle-class kids. But they put out a cool teeshirt!

[WildCat]

When my friends parents bought their boat one of the first accessories they bought for it was a rainbow flag, they had no idea it was a gay flag. You'd think, being ex-swingers and all, they would have been more aware of such things.

[TheDoLittle]

I have a shirt that has printed on in "I Choked Linda Lovelace!"

When I wear it I get a lot of glares, mostly women, and so far only 3 thumbs up, all older guys.

[Morrigan]

Reminds me of people who wear metal shirts, like Iron Maiden or Megadeth, only because the mascots "look cool". I just want to punch them.

[aggle-rithm]

I've lived in Japan of and on for a while. The first time I came here was before Asian characters ever caught on in the United States. Imagine my surprise when I moved back to the U.S. for a while to work in a court related job and discovered the popularity of nonsensical or oddly used kanji tattoos.

Me: "Do you know what those characters mean?"

Dumb Gang Member: "No." Or, "I think it means ... "

Me: "Yeah. Why bother to check before stamping yourself with it for life."

Dave Barry wrote a book about visiting Japan in which he commented on the Japanese fascination with English words. This resulted often in T-shirts with nonsensical or bizarre slogans written in English. It wasn't clear whether they knew what these words meant, or just liked the way they looked.

[Cuddles]

Is this not knowing a new thing or has it always been around?

I think it's just a standard part of wanting to be different and rebel against everything while still being part of a group. Being able to buy a t-shirt with something drawn on it means that you are associated with others, but by choosing something unusual you can also be different at the same time. It doesn't really make any difference if you're wearing black, getting tattoos, getting piercings, complaining about other people having money or whatever. It's not what the symbol means that's important, it's the fact that some other people have it, but most don't.

[Safe-Keeper]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/shirtsquare-lousy.jpgI so want this thing:D.

ETA: Woo-hoo, new avatar!

[aggle-rithm]

I was watching an Independence Day celebration on TV one year. They had the traditional playing of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. At the climax, they fired off cannons marked "US Army" and everyone cheered and waved American flags.

Very, very odd if you know what the 1812 Overture is about. It was written to commemorate the Russian victory over the invading French army led by Napoleon in 1812. The part with the cannons, fired while the orchestra plays the French national anthem, is intended to portray the Russians overwhelming and defeating the French.

OK, so we're not that crazy about the French these days, but...come on.

[fuelair]

As a joke, I actually wore that very T-shirt to a Rage Against The Machine concert. I was singled out, brought up on stage and it was ripped of my chest. I was also punched in the neck. Twice. I then learned the error of my ways and promptly walked to the souvenir stand and bought a $30 T-shirt that said "Capitalism is Evil!".
Should have sued their punk-a butts off for that little demo of group bravery.:mad:

[fuelair]

Want the shirt above (I do NOT work for these people. Just helping out):

http://www.thoseshirts.com/lousy.html

[Drudgewire]

Fave offensive shirt is from a local band who uses what they call the Confedagram (Pentagram with confederate flag coloring.)

On the back in huge lettering is the phrase "God sent us. Now give us your rule10ing money." :D

[roger]

Dave Barry wrote a book about visiting Japan in which he commented on the Japanese fascination with English words. This resulted often in T-shirts with nonsensical or bizarre slogans written in English. It wasn't clear whether they knew what these words meant, or just liked the way they looked.Engrish is the term, and the web site that documents much of the madness.

http://www.engrish.com/category_index.php?category=Clothing

[volatile]

Want the shirt above (I do NOT work for these people. Just helping out):

http://www.thoseshirts.com/lousy.html

That's some of the most stupid, ignorant, ill-informed crap I've seen in a long, long time.

"I'd rather be Waterboarding"? Are you serious, guys? :eek:

[Drudgewire]

That's some of the most stupid, ignorant, ill-informed crap I've seen in a long, long time.

"I'd rather be Waterboarding"? Are you serious, guys? :eek:

Hahahahaha, these are freakin' awesome.

http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/gunownervictim.jpg

Ordered. :D

[volatile]

Hahahahaha, these are freakin' awesome.

http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/gunownervictim.jpg

Ordered. :D

I'm so glad you find killing people so joyously amusing, Drudge.

[Drudgewire]

I'm so glad you find killing people so joyously amusing, Drudge.
I find getting under the skin of overly sensitive types joyously amusing.

Thanks for making my day. :p

[The Painter]

I'm so glad you find killing people so joyously amusing, Drudge.

Waterboarding doesn't kill people, it persuades them. Get it right!


If you don't like the shirts............don't buy them. It's that simple.

[sackett]

Should have sued their punk-a butts off for that little demo of group bravery.:mad:

I second that, and thank you heartily for the term "group bravery," which I will now apply as often as I can to one of humanity's least lovable characteristics.

I believe that lawsuit would have been successful, too.

[volatile]

I find getting under the skin of overly sensitive types joyously amusing.

Thanks for making my day. :p

Well, if you think objecting to the mocking of death "overly sensitive", and that if you find it OK to give your hard-earned money to destructive (http://www.thoseshirts.com/pave.html), racist (http://www.thoseshirts.com/closed.html), juvenile (http://www.thoseshirts.com/hippies.html), ignorant (http://www.thoseshirts.com/redefeat.html), pyschopathic (http://www.thoseshirts.com/control.html), insane (http://www.thoseshirts.com/coulter.html) wing-nuts, then good for you.

Seriously. Good for you. I bet your momma's proud.

[volatile]

Waterboarding doesn't kill people, it persuades them. Get it right!

I was talking about the Gun Owner / Victim one, actually. Keep up at the back.

If you don't like the shirts............don't buy them. It's that simple.

Oh, don't worry, I won't. But that certainly stop me mocking and castigating those that do, as castigation and ridicule is all they deserve.

[FreshHat]

That's some of the most stupid, ignorant, ill-informed crap I've seen in a long, long time.

"I'd rather be Waterboarding"? Are you serious, guys? :eek:

thoseshirts.com/lousy.html

Boy, the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the shirts.

I was disappointed they didn't stock any Richard E. Nixon or anti-Meathead shirts.

[fuelair]

I'm so glad you find killing people so joyously amusing, Drudge.
I must have mis-read the shirt. Was the part about joyously (I would think the word would be joyfully but,,,,) amusing killing people in real small print? I didn't see it, just a survey with the normal two choices on that matter.

[sackett]

A number of years ago, here in Detroit, I saw a pickup coming down our street with a Confederate flag front plate. I thought, “Does that redneck know what town he’s in?”

Until the redneck drove by. He was black, and had a ‘Troit plate on the rear of his rig.

Somehow, some way, I can’t quite believe that a black American didn’t know that the stars ‘n bars stand for bloody insurrection in defense of slavery. The school system isn’t that ****** bad.

Howsomever, the Confederate flag also stands, in some people’s minds, for simple rebellious individualism, an attitude that I like to see taken to extremes as long as nobody gets seriously hurt.

[fuelair]

I was talking about the Gun Owner / Victim one, actually. Keep up at the back.



Oh, don't worry, I won't. But that certainly stop me mocking and castigating those that do, as castigation and ridicule is all they deserve.Mock away - or go somewhere and castigate privately.

[Drudgewire]

Well, if you think objecting to the mocking of death "overly sensitive", and that if you find it OK to give your hard-earned money to destructive (http://www.thoseshirts.com/pave.html), racist (http://www.thoseshirts.com/closed.html), juvenile (http://www.thoseshirts.com/hippies.html), ignorant (http://www.thoseshirts.com/redefeat.html), pyschopathic (http://www.thoseshirts.com/control.html), insane (http://www.thoseshirts.com/coulter.html) wing-nuts, then good for you.

Seriously. Good for you. I bet your momma's proud.
I'm not mocking death. I'm standing up for the 2nd Amendment in a way that mocks those taking the opposing view.

And bravo for assigning hateful tags to political positions you disagree with. Wonder if you feel the same way when John Stewart makes a far-reaching analogy.

You're so enlightened. :rolleyes:

[sackett]

Once upon a time I had some iron-on transfers made from one of my drawings. I applied them to teeshirts and gave them away to friends. One young lady wore hers until the art was faded almost away and the tee was VERY thin and ragged. Made me feel so proud!

[volatile]

I'm not mocking death. I'm standing up for the 2nd Amendment in a way that mocks those taking the opposing view.

The Second Amendment legitimizes killing. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but there it is.

And bravo for assigning hateful tags to political positions you disagree with. Wonder if you feel the same way when John Stewart makes a far-reaching analogy.

You're so enlightened. :rolleyes:"Hateful"?

I'll think you find it is perfectly legitimate to describe:

- Wanton killing of endangered species as "destructive".
- Stating "America is CLOSED!" as "racist"
- "Hippies Smell" as a "juvenile"
- the claim Hilary Clinton is a communist as "ignorant" (maybe even "stupid")
- a shirt that seems to encourage murder as "psychopathic"
- the statement "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" as "insane".


No need for hate from this side of the fence. I think those shirts speak for themselves. If anyone is characterising opposing political views in a hateful manner, that site certainly seems to be.

Me, I'm a little more discerning who I choose to do business with. If you're not, then that's fine.

[TragicMonkey]

I'm not mocking death. I'm standing up for the 2nd Amendment in a way that mocks those taking the opposing view.

I like the Second Amendment, too, but I don't feel the need to encourage sloppy thinking because it's a neat slogan. People who own guns get murdered, too, and the murder victims who didn't own guns hardly deserved to die because they didn't own a gun. It's not quite that funny if you think about it.

And bravo for assigning hateful tags to political positions you disagree with.

Having just looked at all the shirts offered by that site, I have to say that's exactly what they are doing.

[volatile]

I must have mis-read the shirt. Was the part about joyously (I would think the word would be joyfully but,,,,) amusing killing people in real small print? I didn't see it, just a survey with the normal two choices on that matter.

Joyous and joyful are synonymous.

Anyway - Gun owner / Victim is a ridiculous false dichotomy. In my dictionary, it says the opposite of victim is something like "assailant".

If you humorously and smirkingly see gun ownership as the opposite of victimhood, then you are tacitly celebrating death, IMHO.

There's something a little disturbing when the almost-defensible position of gun ownership for self defence becomes a celebratory fetishisation of guns and gun use.

[Drudgewire]

The Second Amendment legitimizes killing. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but there it is.
Does it?

And yeah, only the left is allowed to make jokes about opposing viewpoints. If it's said by someone who leans right it must be taken completely literally, and can't possibly be an exaggeration because we're all hateful fuddy duddies.

I remember thinking that way before growing up.

You want another t-shirt slogan, try this one: "A conservative under 30 has no heart. A liberal over 30 has no brain."

[TragicMonkey]

The Second Amendment legitimizes killing. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but there it is.

No, it doesn't. It legitimizes the possession of instruments capable of dealing death. It is not the same thing.


"Hateful"?

I'll think you find it is perfectly legitimate to describe:

- Wanton killing of endangered species as "destructive".
- Stating "America is CLOSED!" as "racist"
- "Hippies Smell" as a "juvenile"
- the claim Hilary Clinton is a communist as "ignorant" (maybe even "stupid")
- a shirt that seems to encourage murder as "psychopathic"
- the statement "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" as "insane".


The "America closed" one is nativist, but that isn't necessarily the same as racist. Although the two positions are frequently held by the same people.

I think the Ann Coulter one is actually neutral, since it's just a quotation. There is no addition saying "what a good idea!" or "listen to what this crazy person said!" I think that shirt's impact is simply to reinforce whatever the viewer would already feel about the statement and the woman. Personally, I think directly quoting maniacs is a good thing, since it causes people to remember what maniacs they are.

[volatile]

I like the Second Amendment, too, but I don't feel the need to encourage sloppy thinking because it's a neat slogan. People who own guns get murdered, too, and the murder victims who didn't own guns hardly deserved to die because they didn't own a gun. It's not quite that funny if you think about it.

Exactly.

Having just looked at all the shirts offered by that site, I have to say that's exactly what they are doing.

And again - exactly.

[Drudgewire]

I like the Second Amendment, too, but I don't feel the need to encourage sloppy thinking because it's a neat slogan. People who own guns get murdered, too, and the murder victims who didn't own guns hardly deserved to die because they didn't own a gun. It's not quite that funny if you think about it.
Doesn't say they deserve to die. It says I'd rather be a gun owner than a victim.

Admittedly my first rule of comedy is "it aint funny if it doesn't offend someone," so appealing to my sense of decency when it comes to stuff that can be considered funny is a fool's game. :D

[volatile]

No, it doesn't. It legitimizes the possession of instruments capable of dealing death. It is not the same thing.

The Second Amendment allows people to own guns with which to oppose (read: kill) those that threaten the "security of a free State".

Now, you can debate the rights and wrongs of that until the cows come home, but it certainly does legitimise killing in certain circumstances.

The "America closed" one is nativist, but that isn't necessarily the same as racist. Although the two positions are frequently held by the same people.

I'll agree with that. I think "racist" probably was a little strong (though I think anyone who wants to wear that shirt probably does have racist leanings).

I think the Ann Coulter one is actually neutral, since it's just a quotation. There is no addition saying "what a good idea!" or "listen to what this crazy person said!" I think that shirt's impact is simply to reinforce whatever the viewer would already feel about the statement and the woman. Personally, I think directly quoting maniacs is a good thing, since it causes people to remember what maniacs they are.

Oh, I agree. I certainly don't think that site, or its authors, intend it to be anything other than heady praise and a sensible political position worthy of public dissemination.

[TragicMonkey]

The Second Amendment allows people to own guns with which to oppose (read: kill) those that threaten the "security of a free State".

Now, you can debate the rights and wrongs of that until the cows come home, but it certainly does legitimise killing in certain circumstances.



It legitimizes the threat of violence, but not necessarily the commission of a killing.

Hence you are allowed to brandish your gun at burglars, but will usually wind up prosecuted if you shoot them in the back as they flee.

[volatile]

Doesn't say they deserve to die. It says I'd rather be a gun owner than a victim.

Admittedly my first rule of comedy is "it aint funny if it doesn't offend someone," so appealing to my sense of decency when it comes to stuff that can be considered funny is a fool's game. :D

http://aryanwear.com/images/zyklon_b_shirt_black.jpg

If you think that's funny, this is hilarious, right?

Serious question: would you buy clothes from AyranWear.com? If not, why not?

[volatile]

It legitimizes the threat of violence, but not necessarily the commission of a killing.

Hence you are allowed to brandish your gun at burglars, but will usually wind up prosecuted if you shoot them in the back as they flee.

The Second Amendment isn't about burglars. It has nothing to do, as written, with crime. It's about the security of a free state. It's whole purpose is to allow the citizen militia to operate in the face of a despotic regime. It is designed to ensure people have guns so they can shoot (read: kill) their attackers.

The Second Amendment legitimise the killing of hostile agents (of a foreign state or despotic government).

[TragicMonkey]

The Second Amendment isn't about burglars. It has nothing to do, as written, with crime. It's about the security of a free state. It's whole purpose is to allow the citizen militia to operate in the face of a despotic regime. It is designed to ensure people have guns so they can shoot (read: kill) their attackers.

The Second Amendment legitimise the killing of hostile agents (of a foreign state or despotic government).

Designed yada intended yada Founding Fathers yada.

How is the Second Amendment functioning today? It makes it legal for you to own a gun. Nobody tries to make it dependent on your agreeing to only use it against French imperialist attempts to take back the Louisiana Territory, or Mexico rethinking the Gadsen Purchase, or Russia getting jiggy with Alaska.

[volatile]

Designed yada intended yada Founding Fathers yada.

How is the Second Amendment functioning today? It makes it legal for you to own a gun. Nobody tries to make it dependent on your agreeing to only use it against French imperialist attempts to take back the Louisiana Territory, or Mexico rethinking the Gadsen Purchase, or Russia getting jiggy with Alaska.

That's fair enough (and I agree with you), but it's a separate debate, and not relevant to the (off-topic) issue at hand.

The only point I was trying to make is that the Second Amendment legitimises killing (in some circumstances). That's the whole point of the Amendment - to ensure the civilian militia is capable of killing oppressors.

The debate about how this is achieved, or whether it is a good, or bad thing, is a separate, and complex, issue, but trying to pretend that the 2nd doesn't have violent intent at its very core isn't going to help either side.

[KingMerv00]

Oh, I agree. I certainly don't think that site, or its authors, intend it to be anything other than heady praise and a sensible political position worthy of public dissemination.

I think everyone should wear that shirt so we all understand that Coulter is a loon.

[Drudgewire]

http://aryanwear.com/images/zyklon_b_shirt_black.jpg

If you think that's funny, this is hilarious, right?
Um... yes. :o

It's so over-the-top offensive I can't imagine not laughing at it. If I saw someone on a news clip wearing it at an Aryan Nations meeting, I'd think "what an ignorant racist... but the shirt is funnier than hell."

And it really has nothing to do with politics. I live for "cringe humor." It's how I'm able to have both of Limbaugh's books on my bookshelf right next to Franken's "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot." Both those guys drive people NUTS on the other side while having the ability to make those who agree with them laugh hysterically... which is awesome.

Personally I believe in God. But the first time I saw a "Jesus is a c-word" shirt at a Slayer concert I stared in utter amazement at how awesome it was. These are shirts. They're stenciled words and pictures. If you can be hurt by words and pictures I'm happy to oblidge.

[The Painter]

Man what a brouhaha over a few tee shirts. Geez, you all need to lighten up a little. It's just a tee shirt.

I found this tee shirt on a Liberal tee shirt site ( just for equality );

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/CAYPOVON.jpg

Now is this racist or sexist? Or maybe both. Oh those wacky liberals.

[TragicMonkey]

Now is this racist or sexist? Or maybe both. Oh those wacky liberals.

It's certainly an offense against the apostrophe.

[The Painter]

The Second Amendment legitimise the killing of hostile agents (of a foreign state or despotic government).

Damn right. Proud of it. No better reason to own a gun than for the killing of hostile agents.

[Drudgewire]

It's certainly an offense against the apostrophe.
Hehe. Nice one. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/hfive.gif

[Ian Osborne]

Back on topic, you can read about the BDSM emblem here (http://emblemproject.sagcs.net). It post-dates The Story of 'O' by 40 years, and isn't specifically a submissive-slave symbol.

[Almo]

It's certainly an offense against the apostrophe.

Thats what I wa's going to say. Interesting they picked decent pics of the candidates for that shirt.

[HarryKeogh]

Should have sued their punk-a butts off for that little demo of group bravery.:mad:

I second that, and thank you heartily for the term "group bravery," which I will now apply as often as I can to one of humanity's least lovable characteristics.

I believe that lawsuit would have been successful, too.

I really should have sued them. Do you think my lawyer would care that I completely fabricated the story?

[Drudgewire]

I really should have sued them. Do you think my lawyer would care that I completely fabricated the story?
If he does, just fire him and hire this guy's (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/23/nyregion/23about.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin) attorney:

Finally, one man has sued on behalf of the United States, claiming that Mr. Gilsanz is part of a vast conspiracy to cover up the truth about 9/11, including the “so-called building failures.” The lawsuit maintains that exotic weaponry actually destroyed the buildings, and that the airplanes were mass psychological trickery.

[dudalb]

I so want this thing:D.

ETA: Woo-hoo, new avatar!

Count me as wanting one of those also.
The mindless Che worship is disturbing..when you look at this record.
Of course the vast majority of those wearing Che gear have no idea of who his was...they just think it is the latest cool fad.
Hey,maybe I could sell some Stalin gear.....

[Redtail]

You're right about that being the BDSM flag, but the symbol is nothing to do with The Story of 'O'. It was invented a long time after the book was published.

There's an explanation of what it means online, but I can't Google for it at work. I know the three dots stand for 'safe, sane and consensual', the three pillars of BDSM. The background behind the logo is the Leather Pride flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather_Pride_flag), onto which the BDSM logo has been superimposed.

Yes I know about the "safe, sane, consensual" But i was under the impression that it was based on the "triskelion" type symbol from O. Then it has been years since I've read the book, plus I got really tired of the "twue BDSM" arguments so I bailed out of them. Thanks for that info.

Aesthetics.

Sometimes it really is a cool t-shirt.

If none of their peers know what the symbol means, the symbol, for all practical purposes, means nothing.

I sometimes wear the Decepticon logo on my chest, despite not actually favouring evil killer-robots destroying earth and enslaving humanity. I didn't even like the movie.

Yeah but you know what it means. Like I said it's just a pet peeve.

I've lived in Japan of and on for a while. The first time I came here was before Asian characters ever caught on in the United States. Imagine my surprise when I moved back to the U.S. for a while to work in a court related job and discovered the popularity of nonsensical or oddly used kanji tattoos.

Me: "Do you know what those characters mean?"

Dumb Gang Member: "No." Or, "I think it means ... "

Me: "Yeah. Why bother to check before stamping yourself with it for life."

LOL. I know a few tattoo artist that have some of those that say things like "Too stupid to ask what this means" or "prostitute" or some such things on their sameple wall and wont tell customers what they mean unless he/she asks.

Bzzzt! The correct answer, when three young women appear wearing a symbol of full acceptance as a sex slave, is, "If you don't know what it means, ladies, come on over later and we can explore this...together."

:jaw-dropp AUUUUUGGGGHHH! AND MY FIANCEE IS IN CHICAGO!!!!
:eusa_wall::eusa_wall::eusa_wall:

ETA: And we have the flag in the smilies. :leatherflag:

[Redtail]

Back on topic, you can read about the BDSM emblem here (http://emblemproject.sagcs.net). It post-dates The Story of 'O' by 40 years, and isn't specifically a submissive-slave symbol.

I see. Thanks. I'll have to let her know to change this research on her paper.

[Prometheus]

Engrish is the term, and the web site that documents much of the madness.

http://www.engrish.com/category_index.php?category=Clothing

LOL

Much the same in Korea. Once a female student walked into my class wearing a shirt that proclaimed, "USE ME FREE AND EASY", so I made it a class rule that all students had to be prepared to translate and explain anything on their clothing.

[Safe-Keeper]

That's some of the most stupid, ignorant, ill-informed crap I've seen in a long, long time.Some of that stuff was seriously so idiotic it came out on the other side and became awesome.

My shirt avatar is from there? Aw shucks:D.

[volatile]

LOL

Much the same in Korea. Once a female student walked into my class wearing a shirt that proclaimed, "USE ME FREE AND EASY", so I made it a class rule that all students had to be prepared to translate and explain anything on their clothing.

I saw a group of tourists in London, who looked Chinese, and one of them was wearing a shirt that said "I DON'T MIND A LITTLE JUNK IN MY TRUNK, ACTUALLY".

[KingMerv00]

I saw a group of tourists in London, who looked Chinese, and one of them was wearing a shirt that said "I DON'T MIND A LITTLE JUNK IN MY TRUNK, ACTUALLY".

That shirt totally encourages people to eat too much and die from heart failure. I'm so offended.

[Big Les]

I wear a shirt theat says 'RTFM'

Unfortunately, those who really need to know what this means, never do.

:D Roy in "The IT Crowd" wears one in the first episode.

[shep]

I've lived in Japan of and on for a while. The first time I came here was before Asian characters ever caught on in the United States. Imagine my surprise when I moved back to the U.S. for a while to work in a court related job and discovered the popularity of nonsensical or oddly used kanji tattoos.


Check out http://www.hanzismatter.com/ for some good laughs... if you like Engrish.com, you'll probably get a kick out of this too, especially because, as you note, these morons are getting tattooed for life with meaningless (sometimes nonexistant) Hanzi and Kanji characters.

I also mourn the vast number of Che t-shirts worn by folk who don't even know who he was, let alone agree with his revolutionary actions.

I've noticed a resurgance of Ramones and Sex Pistols t-shirts in New Zealand as well, which is a pity, because I really like that music, but the people wearing them have usually never heard it.

(RTFM t-shirts are cool though, I can't imagine any wearers not being hardened geeks)

[godofpie]

I really should have sued them. Do you think my lawyer would care that I completely fabricated the story?
I can't believe nobody got that.

[vIQleS]

A mate of mine has a t shirt with this on it:

http://images.cafepress.com/product/52138150_150x150_Front.JPG

Only his is a little better, and easier to read. (its a bit smaller and all in one line...)

[Terry]

Does it say "Zero rows returned" as well?

[UnrepentantSinner]

Twice I saw a Hitler and the Third Reich World Tour t-shirt (once ironically for sale in the Nuremburg hauptbahnhof). I thought it was funny for one reason the list of "play"/invasion dates in the back listed Great Britain - 1940 and Soviet Union - 1941 with CANCELED in big read letters across them.

[Ziggurat]

Dave Barry wrote a book about visiting Japan in which he commented on the Japanese fascination with English words. This resulted often in T-shirts with nonsensical or bizarre slogans written in English. It wasn't clear whether they knew what these words meant, or just liked the way they looked.

I think a lot of Japanese can kind-of read English, at least in the sense of getting a loose pronunciation out of a word, if not the actual meaning. The sound of the words is probably more important than the look, because frankly the roman alphabet, for all its practicality, isn't much to look at.

[CFLarsen]

It legitimizes the possession of instruments capable of dealing death.

That's "...instruments indended for dealing death."

Don't kid yourself.

[GraculusTheGreenBird]

It's certainly an offense against the apostrophe.

Really? Not to be too pedantic, but the other, non-possessive use of the apostrophe is to indicate that certain letters are missing from the word or words.

e.g. isn't = is not

So "bro's" could certainly be a shorter, entirely correct version of "brothers".

"Ho's" on the other hand, is just plain wrong...

[Ian Osborne]

So "bro's" could certainly be a shorter, entirely correct version of "brothers".

It also makes it clear you're not referring to the late-Eighties boy band Bros.

[TragicMonkey]

Really? Not to be too pedantic, but the other, non-possessive use of the apostrophe is to indicate that certain letters are missing from the word or words.

e.g. isn't = is not

So "bro's" could certainly be a shorter, entirely correct version of "brothers".

"Ho's" on the other hand, is just plain wrong...

I think it extremely unlikely that the writer was attempting to use the apostrophe that way.

And if he were, then "ho" could be a contraction of "whore", therefore it could be legitimately spelled " 'ho's ".

I think "Bros before hos" is a better use, although it makes me want a tshirt that says "Bross before Hoss", perhaps with a picture of the guy from Bonanza on it.

[Ian Osborne]

a tshirt that says "Bross before Hoss", perhaps with a picture of the guy from Bonanza on it.

No, 'Bros before Hoss', and a picture of Matt and Luke Goss and that guy from Bonanza...

[UnrepentantSinner]

It took me years to realize why this t-shirt was funny.

"How can you shoot women and children?"

"Easy, you don't lead them as much."

I read "lead" as the metal, not as in how far in front of a moving target you aim.

[PogoPedant]

That's from Full Metal Jacket, isn't it?

My brother has the best t-shirt I've seen. It has lots of intricate, but meaningless symbols and heraldry, and the text "Go local college and/or sports team!".

[Drudgewire]

Twice I saw a Hitler and the Third Reich World Tour t-shirt (once ironically for sale in the Nuremburg hauptbahnhof). I thought it was funny for one reason the list of "play"/invasion dates in the back listed Great Britain - 1940 and Soviet Union - 1941 with CANCELED in big read letters across them.
I had that shirt back in the 80s, then years later bought the school shootings rip-off version.

Man I'm a scumbag. :o

[fuelair]

I like the Second Amendment, too, but I don't feel the need to encourage sloppy thinking because it's a neat slogan. People who own guns get murdered, too, and the murder victims who didn't own guns hardly deserved to die because they didn't own a gun. It's not quite that funny if you think about it.



Having just looked at all the shirts offered by that site, I have to say that's exactly what they are doing.My suspicion is that they are producing what is selling. BUT, the reason I posted the site is for one specific item that had drawn a very wrong reaction at a concert and which makes a statement that is inarguable on it (whether you like it or not and whether or not (you could) make an equivalent T-shirt for Fascism or religion). Person(s) were interested in where they could obtain the shirt and I provided the info. I am, among my other talents and certifications, a media specialist/librarian (M.L.S., G. Peabody College for Teachers, 1971) and one of the things we do is provide information not censor it because we do not like it's source.

And personally, from the positions as an owner/operator of several pistols of large caliber, I do believe I have made a choice in that survey. I do not feel that anyone should be required to own same, but all meeting heavy but reasonable legal requirements should be able to - and any who own illegally should be hit with every law possible when found to.

[Drudgewire]

That's from Full Metal Jacket, isn't it?

My brother has the best t-shirt I've seen. It has lots of intricate, but meaningless symbols and heraldry, and the text "Go local college and/or sports team!".
Yeah, that's part of the SomethingAwful family.

"City Name Sports Team merchandise is so utterly wonderful that I got cancer and my heart exploded for no reason at all!"
- C.L., Sexypants City (http://www.citynamesportsteam.com/)

They also have the infamous shirt Todd Goldman ripped off (https://www.awfulmart.com/store.php?crn=205&rn=353&action=show_detail) which started a backlash against Internet art theft previously unseen anywhere. Plus it's an awesome shirt which drives the ladies wild. :cool:

[PogoPedant]

I love it! Gonna order stuff online now.

[Modified]

That's from Full Metal Jacket, isn't it?

My brother has the best t-shirt I've seen. It has lots of intricate, but meaningless symbols and heraldry, and the text "Go local college and/or sports team!".

Sounds like the one from the Onion store: "The sports team from my area is superior to the sports team from your area."

[UnrepentantSinner]

That's from Full Metal Jacket, isn't it?

Possibly vicariously since I was seeing it in reference to the Russian/Afghan war in the early 80s on t-shirts sold in Soldier of Fortune well before the movie was made.

I was going to mention the one in the attached photo, but since I'm a bit trepidatious about wearing it in Dallas, I wanted to prove I actually do wear it periodically as I will at some point at TAM 6.

The photo was specifically cropped to include my mustache to prove it's me wearing it, but if you can't see/read all the details, let me know and I'll post a more detailed version tomorrow.

[Darth Rotor]

Possibly vicariously since I was seeing it in reference to the Russian/Afghan war in the early 80s on t-shirts sold in Soldier of Fortune well before the movie was made.

I was going to mention the one in the attached photo, but since I'm a bit trepidatious about wearing it in Dallas, I wanted to prove I actually do wear it periodically as I will at some point at TAM 6.

The photo was specifically cropped to include my mustache to prove it's me wearing it, but if you can't see/read all the details, let me know and I'll post a more detailed version tomorrow.
Heresy was a crime, circa 33 AD. So was rabble rousing and vandalizing temples dens of thieves. ;)

DR

[fuelair]

That's "...instruments indended for dealing death."

Don't kid yourself.
I would even accept stuff meant to blow the heads of CBL's apart. I really do not care what they are called or how they are described (as long as the terms are accurate - auto and semi-auto are not the same thing). They have a purpose for each individual that depends on that individual. For me that purpose is to cause an attacker to cease activity on demand or die on firing. And I am not particular over the choice.

[LostAngeles]

I saw this on the Jezebel blog. The shirt's been pulled but, WOW.

Jezebel link with picture (http://jezebel.com/362390/how-did-no-means-no-become-a-fun-rape-joke)

Figures, it's Todd Goldman's company. He was recently taken to task for ripping off someone else's work.

[volatile]

I saw this on the Jezebel blog. The shirt's been pulled but, WOW.

Jezebel link with picture (http://jezebel.com/362390/how-did-no-means-no-become-a-fun-rape-joke)

Figures, it's Todd Goldman's company. He was recently taken to task for ripping off someone else's work.

I'm sure Drudgewire would think it was funny.

[Whiplash]

I'm sure Drudgewire would think it was funny.


Well you can continue to feel superior to him and sit in moral judgement over him all over a stupid t-shirt that was, at worst, in bad taste. And you mocked the idea of being "overly sensitive".... wow..

[UnrepentantSinner]

Heresy was a crime, circa 33 AD. So was rabble rousing and vandalizing temples dens of thieves. ;)

..and zealotry. :)

[volatile]

Well you can continue to feel superior to him and sit in moral judgement over him all over a stupid t-shirt that was, at worst, in bad taste. And you mocked the idea of being "overly sensitive".... wow..

So you don't find a t-shirt that says "No Means No. Except when I'm drunk" offensive? You don't think it's worth pointing out that selling t-shirts advocating rape and murder is a pretty disgusting thing to be doing?

You might call that "over-sensitive". I call it "decent", thanks very much.

[Fronzel]

Count me as wanting one of those also.
The mindless Che worship is disturbing..when you look at this record.
Of course the vast majority of those wearing Che gear have no idea of who his was...they just think it is the latest cool fad.
Hey,maybe I could sell some Stalin gear.....

On the plus side, I bet he is rolling over in his grave fast enough that we could make a decent generator our of him. Viva la Capitalism!


I made some shirts with this (http://ironnerd.com/temp/redmarx.png) on them. Sadly, nobody knows who Groucho is any more and don't get it.

[The Painter]

So you don't find a t-shirt that says "No Means No. Except when I'm drunk" offensive?

No, not offensive. It’s irreverent. Why do you have to be offended by everything you disagree with? It’s your way or no way, right? Try being a little more understanding of others. Try being a little more accepting of people that aren’t like you. Try being a little more compassionate. Try getting a sense of humor. I noticed you had no comment on UnrepentantSinner’s post with the “tough on crime” crucifixion shirt. That could be the most offensive of all, but it’s OK with you. It all depends on whose ox is being gored, doesn’t it? Hmmmmm that would be a good tee shirt. Wait I’m sure the vegans would take offense. Oh well, you can’t make everyone happy, can you?

[volatile]

Rape jokes are "irreverent"? "Disagreeing" with rape is not an ideological position; it's a position of pure human decency. I should tolerate people who laugh at rape out od "compassion"? What kind of twisted world do you live in?

I'm not "offended" by right wing loons such as yourself. I am, however, offended by people thinking rape, murder or genocide are hilarious.

Grow up. You're pathetic.

[casebro]

So you don't find a t-shirt that says "No Means No. Except when I'm drunk" offensive? You don't think it's worth pointing out that selling t-shirts advocating rape and murder is a pretty disgusting thing to be doing?....



Let me point out a double standard here.

If somebody who drives while drunk is to be considered a murderer, then how come a women who has sex while drunk is considered a victim? Shouldn't she be considered the rapist? Or is the typical drunk driver a victim too? Assuming they both willfully got blotto, the driver to 'willfully lose control' of his car, her to 'willfully lose control' of her body. Yet she is considered a victim, the driver is considered a felon. Hmmm...

[volatile]

Let me point out a double standard here.

If somebody who drives while drunk is to be considered a murderer, then how come a women who has sex while drunk is considered a victim? Shouldn't she be considered the rapist? Or is the typical drunk driver a victim too? Assuming they both willfully got blotto, the driver to 'willfully lose control' of his car, her to 'willfully lose control' of her body. Yet she is considered a victim, the driver is considered a felon. Hmmm...

Take that to a new thread. It's an interesting enough question to merit a discussion.

[Ian Osborne]

how come a women who has sex while drunk is considered a victim?

If she chooses to have sex while drunk, and then regrets it when sober, she can put it down to experience - it's nobody's fault but hers. If a man takes advantage of her when drunk, and in no fit state to give or withhold consent, she's the victim, and he's a rapist.

The t-shirt was offensive as it trivialises and makes fun of an important social issue. The phrase 'No Means No' is unambiguous. 'No' does not mean 'Maybe', drunk or sober.

[fuelair]

On the plus side, I bet he is rolling over in his grave fast enough that we could make a decent generator our of him. Viva la Capitalism!


I made some shirts with this (http://ironnerd.com/temp/redmarx.png) on them. Sadly, nobody knows who Groucho is any more and don't get it.
Had I seen it - and moreso had it been offered through Diamond comics - I would have worn it and happily sold it at SF cons - where at least the older attendees would love it!!!:D

[skeptifem]

its pretty damn hard to research a symbol without any other information.

[Kaylee]

It's surprising how many people don't know what common symbols mean. My mother, for instance, frowns whenever she sees a rainbow sticker on a car. She thinks it means the car's driver gives money to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition. I've never had the guts to ask her what she thinks the pink triangle means. I'm afraid she'd answer that it must have something to do with Lucky Charms cereal.

Heh. I almost bought a rainbow ring the first time I saw one at a street fair (think it was the '90s). Only reason I didn’t was because I was out of pocket change and I wasn’t near an ATM.

I was really disappointed. I thought it was unique and I’d never see it again. I had no idea.

Good thing I was out of change. As a straight woman I would have confused the heck of people including myself until I got it figured out.

Sometimes it’s hard to tell a symbol apart from just a pretty design, or a variation of a design. Especially if its new or just not that common yet.

I could see that the BDSM symbol being misinterpreted as a variation of a yin/yang sign. And I could see the tattoo guy thinking that it was just a really cool skeleton design and not realizing it was a Grateful Dead symbol. (post #4). Or maybe I'm just not clever when it comes to recognizing symbols...

[LostAngeles]

If she chooses to have sex while drunk, and then regrets it when sober, she can put it down to experience - it's nobody's fault but hers. If a man takes advantage of her when drunk, and in no fit state to give or withhold consent, she's the victim, and he's a rapist.

The t-shirt was offensive as it trivialises and makes fun of an important social issue. The phrase 'No Means No' is unambiguous. 'No' does not mean 'Maybe', drunk or sober.

What Ian said.

[the_smasher]

Hello, this is my first post! :)

I've noticed a resurgance of Ramones and Sex Pistols t-shirts in New Zealand as well, which is a pity, because I really like that music, but the people wearing them have usually never heard it.
I've noticed a lot more Misfits t-shirts lately, although in that case the logo is much better than the music. I suppose they still perform but what's the point without Glenn Danzig?

Personally I believe in God. But the first time I saw a "Jesus is a c-word" shirt at a Slayer concert I stared in utter amazement at how awesome it was.
I still get a kick out of the soccer or Dungeons & Dragons playing Jesus on the Jesus Saves! shirts.

My brother has the best t-shirt I've seen. It has lots of intricate, but meaningless symbols and heraldry, and the text "Go local college and/or sports team!".
I've had people think my ThunderCats insignia t-shirt is a team logo.

[fuelair]

Hello, this is my first post! :)

I've noticed a lot more Misfits t-shirts lately, although in that case the logo is much better than the music. I suppose they still perform but what's the point without Glenn Danzig?


I still get a kick out of the soccer or Dungeons & Dragons playing Jesus on the Jesus Saves! shirts.


I've had people think my ThunderCats insignia t-shirt is a team logo.

It is a team - just not sports.:)

[mijopaalmc]

Personally, while I realize the importance of the "No means no" slogan, I prefer the "No means masturbate" slogan, because affords the sexual aggressor in those situation even more control over their own sexuality. It makes the "well, he/she got me so turned on that he/she was asking for it defense" even more absurd because it offers the aggressor the yet another option to relieve what they claim to be such an overwhelming sexual urge without violating anyone else's rights.

[alfaniner]

Heh. I almost bought a rainbow ring the first time I saw one at a street fair (think it was the '90s). Only reason I didn’t was because I was out of pocket change and I wasn’t near an ATM.

The first weeks at my new job were pretty slow, so I experimented with MS Paint (then new to me), and created a nice rainbow of color that I used as my Desktop background. I had it up for several weeks until I came up with something better. No one ever said anything, but I did get strange looks from time to time.

I'm an artist -- it was intended to be the color wheel!

[Redtail]

I've had people think my ThunderCats insignia t-shirt is a team logo.

:jaw-dropp From this point on you should carry around a rolled up news paper and if they ask what team that is you should smack them lightly and say "nnnno!"
(If they're much bigger than you make sure you're faster.)

[Damien Evans]

That's "...instruments indended for dealing death."

Don't kid yourself.

indended...

I'm not familiar with that one...

[Drudgewire]

I'm sure Drudgewire would think it was funny.
Not really, but not because it's offensive. Just sorta "meh."

Something is not funny simply because it offends. It has to be offensive and have comic value. That's simply a ruse to get free drinks from saps who think it's an advertisement.

And Volatile, grow a pair.

[dudalb]

Twice I saw a Hitler and the Third Reich World Tour t-shirt (once ironically for sale in the Nuremburg hauptbahnhof). I thought it was funny for one reason the list of "play"/invasion dates in the back listed Great Britain - 1940 and Soviet Union - 1941 with CANCELED in big read letters across them.

As a World War 2 buff, I almost bought one of those but did not for fear it was too easy to be misinterpreted,giving the level of ignorance of history nowdays.
Clever idea,though.

[The Painter]

Rape jokes are "irreverent"?

YES

If you have any kind of sense of humor


What if a man was wearing the shirt??? How would you feel then???? Oh let me guess, not so bad .

[volatile]

If I were to reply to that in the manner befitting, I'd probably get a suspension.

Rule 10.

[LostAngeles]

YES

If you have any kind of sense of humor


What if a man was wearing the shirt??? How would you feel then???? Oh let me guess, not so bad .

A pie to the face is funny.

A cartoon coyote falling off a cliff is funny.

A bumbling hunter's gun exploding is funny.

The forcible sexual penetration of one person by another is not funny.

A person getting run down by a car is not funny.

A person being shot in the head is not funny.

So we're clear on the general line here:

Slapstick is funny, as is cartoon violence to cartoon characters.

Actual violence and sexual violence are not funny.

Not even when it happens to a man.

But, I presume you're too, "edgy," and too, "free and/or idependant," to bow to good taste and common decency (sorry, I mean, "political correctness"!), The Painter?

[Redtail]

A pie to the face is funny.

A cartoon coyote falling off a cliff is funny.

A bumbling hunter's gun exploding is funny.

The forcible sexual penetration of one person by another is not funny.

A person getting run down by a car is not funny.

A person being shot in the head is not funny.

So we're clear on the general line here:

Slapstick is funny, as is cartoon violence to cartoon characters.

Actual violence and sexual violence are not funny.

Not even when it happens to a man.

But, I presume you're too, "edgy," and too, "free and/or idependant," to bow to good taste and common decency (sorry, I mean, "political correctness"!), The Painter?

I disagree with the bolded based on the following.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxWPbNPFbro

[LostAngeles]

I disagree with the bolded based on the following.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxWPbNPFbro

Ok, ok. I would put that more under slapstick, myself, but yes. At least with that, you figure there were apologies all around afterward.

[Redtail]

Ok, ok. I would put that more under slapstick, myself, but yes. At least with that, you figure there were apologies all around afterward.

That's true, the apologies would mitigate it.

[UnrepentantSinner]

As a World War 2 buff, I almost bought one of those but did not for fear it was too easy to be misinterpreted,giving the level of ignorance of history nowdays.
Clever idea,though.

It really is, much like my "getting tough on crime" shirt, to clever by half. :(

[skeptifem]

YES

If you have any kind of sense of humor


What if a man was wearing the shirt??? How would you feel then???? Oh let me guess, not so bad .

I think i would get kind of pissed, like 'oh its so easy for you to make fun of that because you think it wont ever happen to you'.

[PogoPedant]

A pie to the face is funny.

A cartoon coyote falling off a cliff is funny.

A bumbling hunter's gun exploding is funny.

The forcible sexual penetration of one person by another is not funny.

A person getting run down by a car is not funny.

A person being shot in the head is not funny.

So we're clear on the general line here:

Slapstick is funny, as is cartoon violence to cartoon characters.

Actual violence and sexual violence are not funny.

Not even when it happens to a man.

But, I presume you're too, "edgy," and too, "free and/or idependant," to bow to good taste and common decency (sorry, I mean, "political correctness"!), The Painter?

What about gallows humour? I interpreted the "No means no" t-shirt as a sarcastic remark, and in that light found it amusing. In the same way, I found the various t-shirts depicting evolution from monkey to gas-mask wearing Israeli during the gulf war amusing.

[Ian Osborne]

What about gallows humour?

Gallows humour is making light of an already-bad situation. That t-shirt was inviting a bad situation.