Vox Day: Al Franken is an irrelevant sissy

[Nie Trink Wasser]

if there's anyone on this forum anymore that can appreciate this, take a peek. It's funny.


But Franken's critiques are, for the most part, irrelevant. It is particularly so with regard to the case of leftist media bias put forth by my favorite columnist, Ann Coulter. Indeed, if Franken were an exterminator, one can easily imagine the scenario proceeding thusly:


House Owner: There's an animal in the house!

Al Franken: (steps gingerly over massive pile of steaming elephant dung) This, in the corner? That's not a rat, it's a dust bunny.

House Owner: Hmmm, I guess you're right.

Al Franken: (ignoring loud trumpeting from the next room) No rat, no problem. Quod erat demonstrandum!


In this case, the rather significant point that seems to have escaped Mr. Franken is that in order to dismiss Ann Coulter's claim that the mainstream media is run by lefties, it does not suffice to point out that Miss Coulter was incorrect with regard to the paternal lineage of Newsweek's Evan Thomas. To prove the media is not run by lefties, it is necessary to demonstrate that the mainstream media does not repeatedly and reliably support the socialist principles expounded by Karl Marx in the "Communist Manifesto."

Not only is this an impossible task, but it is one Mr. Franken is rather unlikely to undertake since he supports those Marxian principles himself. "National park system – really good Social Security – hottest." Some of the other avowedly Marxian causes for which he has sympathy include: "A heavy progressive or graduated income tax" ("Lies," p. 291) and "Abolition of all right of inheritance" ("Lies," pp. 298-302). Mr. Franken did not explicitly elucidate his enthusiasm for "free education for all children in public schools" ("Lies," pp. 93-94), but it is implied.

.................

It is said there is pain festering below the surface of many a funny man. In Al Franken's case, there appears to be only seething rage. The Rich Lowry episode in chapter 38 exposes the ugly bully in him, as the genteel National Review editor's bewildered response when challenged to a fistfight only proves him to be "a tad on the wimpy side" according to Franken, and "a wuss" according to the like-minded spawn of Franken, Joe.

Therefore, Mr. Franken, let me state that I not only believe the Democrats have feminized politics, I believe they have feminized the American male and are responsible for the evolution of the so-called metrosexual as well as the homosexualization of American culture. And I'm calling you out – fight-club rules. Any time, anywhere, although I'm amenable to waiting until you finish your book tour. After all, it's hard to do a reading with your jaw wired shut.

I'm just kidding about the jaw, of course. Kidding on the square.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34828

[hgc]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
if there's anyone on this forum anymore that can appreciate this, take a peek. It's funny.

Where's the funny part? Is that buried in the .................?

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by hgc
Where's the funny part?

I won't explain it to you. You'd just ignore it anyway as if it wasnt there.

[tamiO]

You may laugh out loud
Ann Coultier and Al Franken
are comedians

[Nyarlathotep]

Definition of irony: Anne Coulter complaining about Al Franken.

The only difference between Anne Coulters nonsense and Al Frankens nonsense is that it is DIFFERENT nonsense.

[Skeptic]

In this case, the rather significant point that seems to have escaped Mr. Franken is that in order to dismiss Ann Coulter's claim that the mainstream media is run by lefties, it does not suffice to point out that Miss Coulter was incorrect with regard to the paternal lineage of Newsweek's Evan Thomas. To prove the media is not run by lefties, it is necessary to demonstrate that the mainstream media does not repeatedly and reliably support the socialist principles expounded by Karl Marx in the "Communist Manifesto."

1). Nobody needs to prove the media is NOT "run by the lefties". Coulter, making the positive claim, needs to prove that it IS "run by the lefties".

2). Coulter's research is so shoddy and full of mistakes, that any conclusions it reaches is worthless. If Coulter cannot get the most basic dates, locations, and facts correct--and she can't--the chance that she is correct about the alleged "secret leftist conspiracy" her wrong, distorted, and made-up "facts" allegedly "prove" is virtually nil.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Skeptic

2). Coulter's research is so shoddy and full of mistakes, that any conclusions it reaches is worthless. If Coulter cannot get the most basic dates, locations, and facts correct--and she can't--the chance that she is correct about the alleged "secret leftist conspiracy" her wrong, distorted, and made-up "facts" allegedly "prove" is virtually nil. [/B]


show me where has she has gotten these dates, locations, and facts wrong ?

[LFTKBS]

Nie Trink Wasser: many of Coulter's errors can be found and corrected in the book "Big Lies," by Joe Conason. It should be at your local library or bookstore. Enjoy.

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



show me where has she has gotten these dates, locations, and facts wrong ?

Didn't she claim at one point that the New York Times, the day after Dale Earnhart's death at Daytona, failed to carry the story, claming that this was (somehow) evidence of some sort of leftist elitist blah blah blah?

Except that the Times did carry the story, on page one, the day after his death.

[Suddenly]

Seriously, why is this funny? Anyone can take portions out of context and take cheap shots. The most part of the thing is this guy grossly exagerating what Franken says and then complaining that Franken just might be a liberal.

Where is the humor? I just don't get it. It isn't political either. I've found P.J. O'Rourke and even Rush Limbaugh to be funny. Come to think of it, I find O'Rourke to be much funnier than Franken.

[Michael Redman]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
Definition of irony: Anne Coulter complaining about Al Franken.

The only difference between Anne Coulters nonsense and Al Frankens nonsense is that it is DIFFERENT nonsense. I think there's a very important difference. Coulter claims to be telling the truth. Franken is writing comedy. They are both surely just as agenda driven, but Franken isn't pretending that he should be taken seriously as a journalist.

[corplinx]

Franken and Coulture love having making accusations about other since it keeps their books on the charts longer.

[Charlie Monoxide]

Franken - Wired
Coulter - Tired

Charlie (props to Wired mag) Monoxide

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by corplinx
Franken and Coulture love having making accusations about other since it keeps their books on the charts longer.

Yeah, you have also remember that Coulter just makes sh** up though!

www.coulterwatch.org

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Theodore Kurita


Yeah, you have also remember that Coulter just makes sh** up though!

www.coulterwatch.org


as if Franken isn't just a blob of ad hominem.

http://www.thrusts.org/alfranken.jpg :p

[Malachi151]

If the media is run by lefties then why are Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reily, etc, all over it?

Give me a break, what a bunch of idiots.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Theodore Kurita
www.coulterwatch.org Your link isn't working.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Malachi151
If the media is run by lefties then why are Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reily, etc, all over it?

Give me a break, what a bunch of idiots.


becuase they are fighting to uphold a very small fraction of the media.

it just so happens that they are the most popular.

when I was working to become an editor in the industry, my politics became such a serious issue with those I worked with that they wouldn't accept me unless I agreed with them. I chose to keep my mouth shut concerning politics so that I could focus on my job. They didnt like this and for that, I left the industry.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

p.s. - trotsky was an irresponsibly idealistic bag of wind.

[jj]

Originally posted by tamiO
You may laugh out loud
Ann Coultier and Al Franken
are comedians

That is quite well done!
It is perfect in scansion
And expressed truth!

[jj]

Originally posted by Suddenly


Didn't she claim at one point that the New York Times, the day after Dale Earnhart's death at Daytona, failed to carry the story, claming that this was (somehow) evidence of some sort of leftist elitist blah blah blah?

Except that the Times did carry the story, on page one, the day after his death.

This is the "big lie" technique, and NTW's shameless endorsement of it (albiet probably utterly unintentional) shows just why it's such a dangerous tactic.

[jj]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
p.s. - trotsky was an irresponsibly idealistic bag of wind.

Indeed that is so!
You recognize your kinship?
That's splendiferous!

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by jj


This is the "big lie" technique, and NTW's shameless endorsement of it (albiet probably utterly unintentional) shows just why it's such a dangerous tactic.


actually, no.....you're pointing out the most irrelevant and trivial lines and also out of context.

It's not worth the energy of arguing over.

keep filling up space jj, thats all you're good for.

[P.S.A.]

As a European, I'd just like to invite him to England to read some of our press... who'd like to see a picture of Nie reading the Guardian, eh? Any bets on how red his face would be when he realises the difference between our press and yours? Then buckle in as our watery hero comes with me through the Chunnel to... FRANCE! Yes, the land of Le Monde. He probably won't be able to read it, so I'll make things up for him, adding liberalism in on every page, no matter what's actually there. Just like his heroine in fact! Come on, even you conservative posters would like to see what happens when he refuses to get out off the train, and I am forced into waving newspapers at him from the platform... go on, admit it! It'll be wasserific!

But just to make a semi-serious point;

"They didnt like this and for that, I left the industry."

Or could it be because you don't have the slightest idea how to construct a coherant statement? Observe!

"becuase they are fighting to uphold a very small fraction of the media.

it just so happens that they are the most popular."

So the most popular media is the smallest sector of the industry? Aha ha ha ha....! You were a Journalist course drop out, weren't you?
Either that, or the idea of applying to write for a newspaper which has a conservative leaning, or even for Rush et all, never occured to you, I assume? You'd be popular then too, and Club Gleet would go into a deep, deep funk because you'd have left us...

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Your link isn't working.


Sorry...

It is .com not .org


Here is the correct link:

www.coulterwatch.com


It might suprise Nie that this site is run by Republicans!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Theodore Kurita]

Another site that checks on Ann Coulter's credibility... SHE DOES NOT HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY:


http://slannder.homestead.com/

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



as if Franken isn't just a blob of ad hominem.

http://www.thrusts.org/alfranken.jpg :p



You said in the Flame War section that you were a Liberal until 2 years ago...

My question to you now is, what happened to you 2 years ago that changed your mind about your political views?

[gnome]

Ok NTW, if we really thrash it out, and find a distinct, sourced, example of Coulter stating things that are untrue, will you acknowledge it, and stop demanding examples every time someone brings up the problem?

If you won't agree to that in advance, why should we waste our time?

[Uther]

As far as conservative media goes, David Brock's <u>Blinded by the Right</u> is an interesting read.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0812930991/qid=1064897911/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-8977820-5808818?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

-Uther

[NightG1]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



as if Franken isn't just ...snip
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/nightg1/skan.jpg
:P

[a_unique_person]

The fact that he can be compared to a girl doubly damms him in my eyes.

[hgc]

Originally posted by NightG1

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/nightg1/skan.jpg
:P Yikes! Bride of Frankenstein!

[American]

You're not convinced by a red-diaper baby and his homoerotic bow tie that liberals have it right? I can just see him going at it with his boyfriend Tucker. I wonder who takes the b. position.

[Cain]

Words cannot properly express what I'm feeling for some threads. It just so happens that those threads ususally feature posts from NTW, Tony, and American -- the JREF's triumvirate of anti-rational, conservative, "Oh-my-god-I-can't-believe-he-just-said-that" bullsh*t.


http://www.infodomain.com.sg/www/headache.jpg

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Cain
Words cannot properly express what I'm feeling for some threads. It just so happens that those threads ususally feature posts from NTW, Tony, and American -- the JREF's triumvirate of anti-rational, conservative, "Oh-my-god-I-can't-believe-he-just-said-that" bullsh*t.





You only say that because our politics create a stymie for yours.

beyond that, you're just another Chomsky dupe to me, trying really hard to convince the world that you're politically intelligent/compassionate somehow.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by NightG1

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/nightg1/skan.jpg
:P


that's not funny for these reasons :

1. you had to manipulate the image
2. you used a trite sexual insult for a female.
3. you lack the ability to use a word that accurately describes her.


Franken was a comedian, he's fat, he's a jack-ass (he's a democrat and a comedian-jester), so the word is appropriate.

skank is just too low brow.

[Renfield]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


he's fat,

Why stop there? Why don'y you call him a Nazi loving pinko crypto commie closet homosexual and wife beater? You seem to have no regard for the truth anyway.

[headscratcher4]

Is Franken indeed fat? He has looked, to me at least, merely pudgy. What is his BMI?

And, if he is fat, is he, say, significatnly fatter than most Americans, as I think the figure is now that 60% or more are over-weight...and if he is no more overweight than most Americans, is his fatness really a subject for ridicule (pointing out ones "fat" as a way of demonstrating lack of self control, sloth, lack of a work ethic, etc.)?


Is Franken as "fat" as Rush was at his height? Rush, btw, it seems to me, has lost significant weight in recent years, and while no longer obese, Franken should think about renaming his earlier book: Rush Limbaugh is a Relatively Overweight Idiot...

How is O'Riely's BMI compared to Franken's?

Do you think Franken is fatter than, say, Carl Rove? Newt Gingrich? Speaker Hastert?

Surely, to the left, Mike Moore is way fatter...

Have you seen some recent pictures of Arnold S. lately, he seems to be putting on some pounds.

Finally, the key question: if most Americans are fat (or, significantly overweight by virtue of their BMIs), how fat does a political commentator/comedian/pundit/writer/satarist, etc. have to be to be disgustingly fat, and fat enough so that political opinions or keen observations are made illegitimate? For instance, when Rush was so dusgustingly overweight, he still had some funny zingers and occasional good lines (I say this in appreciation of the humor, even if I don't like the politics). Because he was so massively "fat", were any of his legitimate points less legitimate? What weight did Rush need to reach before having "weight", as it were?

IF Franken loses weight, will he, in your mind, be a better pundit/humorist?



Just some observations from the peanut gallery....

[Lurker]

Franken is funny
Nie does not agree with me
My life is empty

[Lurker]

According to Nie
truth and humor are based on
ones waistline or girth

[Cain]

Originally posted by the consistently pathetic Nie Trink Wasser

You only say that because our politics create a stymie for yours.

beyond that, you're just another Chomsky dupe to me, trying really hard to convince the world that you're politically intelligent/compassionate somehow.

I want to say, "Oh Nie, you can do better than this!" But we both know that isn't true.

[American]

Originally posted by Cain
Words cannot properly express what I'm feeling for some threads. It just so happens that those threads ususally feature posts from NTW, Tony, and American -- the JREF's triumvirate of anti-rational, conservative, "Oh-my-god-I-can't-believe-he-just-said-that" bull----.



You don't think Al and Tucker make out? I thought you were cool with that. Don't be so narrow-minded.

[DrChinese]

I'll put Al Franken up against Rush. If Al is an irrelevant sissy, then Rush must take honors for being an irrelevant blowhard.

[American]

Originally posted by DrChinese
then Rush must take honors for being an irrelevant blowhard.


Then why does Howard Dean continually complain about him? Nearly every single day he makes a sound bite saying he's "taking on Rush!", despite that Rush is not running for office.

Irrelevant.... is that what it means to have a #1 radio show 3 hours a day for 15 years?

[hal bidlack]

this thread has been reported, and I have read it.

It was reported for incivility. In reading it, I do not find that it violates the rules, though some of the posts seem a tad much to my stuffy personality.