Joe Wilson's wife : Who didn't know ?

[Nie Trink Wasser]

ahhh. the oh so pleasant media tactics during election time. How it gives me a fresh respect for the dems.....not.


It's the top story in the Washington Post this morning as well as in many other media outlets. Who leaked the fact that the wife of Joseph C. Wilson IV worked for the CIA?

What also might be worth asking: "Who didn't know?"

I believe I was the first to publicly question the credibility of Mr. Wilson, a retired diplomat sent to Niger to look into reports that Saddam Hussein had attempted to purchase yellowcake uranium for his nuclear-weapons program.

On July 6, Mr. Wilson wrote an op-ed for the New York Times in which he said: "I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat."

On July 11, I wrote a piece for NRO arguing that Mr. Wilson had no basis for that conclusion — and that his political leanings and associations (not disclosed by the Times and others journalists interviewing him) cast serious doubt on his objectivity.

On July 14, Robert Novak wrote a column in the Post and other newspapers naming Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA operative.

That wasn't news to me. I had been told that — but not by anyone working in the White House. Rather, I learned it from someone who formerly worked in the government and he mentioned it in an offhanded manner, leading me to infer it was something that insiders were well aware of.

http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200309291022.asp

[Sundog]

So it's OK with you that someone in the Bush administration ratted out a CIA agent, as is becoming clear?

Is there anything Bush and co. could do that you WOULDN'T condone? I don't think so. I think you'd defend him no matter what.

Political discussion here is dead. All that's left is these extreme right wing whack jobs that post merely to shock others. It's no fun any more. No well-reasoned posts that require thought; just insulting and stupid posts from the extremists.

Time to go.

[Shinytop]

The sad thing is that NTW posted a new thread instead of adding to the existing thread on the subject. Can a moderator merge these threads?

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Sundog
So it's OK with you that someone in the Bush administration ratted out a CIA agent, as is becoming clear?

Is there anything Bush and co. could do that you WOULDN'T condone? I don't think so. I think you'd defend him no matter what.

Political discussion here is dead. All that's left is these extreme right wing whack jobs that post merely to shock others. It's no fun any more. No well-reasoned posts that require thought; just insulting and stupid posts from the extremists.

Time to go.


wait a second....

you actually think that the posting here is right winged ?

I post one article and it affects you so dramatically that threaten to leave ?

this IS POLITICAL. The only reason this is becoming such a big deal is because its election time.

The lady was known to be an agent for a long time.

accusing the White House of something that has been known in press circle for a long time is sort of ridiculous.

Im not going to believe any intelligence story of this sort during election time. Especially when the person in question was known a LONG time ago, but somehow back then, it wasnt a big deal.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Shinytop
The sad thing is that NTW posted a new thread instead of adding to the existing thread on the subject. Can a moderator merge these threads?


I wanted to focus on this article for my thread and avoid derailing discussion on that one.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

"Wilson said he did not have any knowledge that Rove was the leaker or authorized the leak."

http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=3525621

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Sundog

Is there anything Bush and co. could do that you WOULDN'T condone? I don't think so. I think you'd defend him no matter what.

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you're wrong, but since that doesnt fit your game of make believe...you'll believe whatever you want.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Sundog
So it's OK with you that someone in the Bush administration ratted out a CIA agent, as is becoming clear?

Is there anything Bush and co. could do that you WOULDN'T condone? I don't think so. I think you'd defend him no matter what.

Political discussion here is dead. All that's left is these extreme right wing whack jobs that post merely to shock others. It's no fun any more. No well-reasoned posts that require thought; just insulting and stupid posts from the extremists.

Time to go.

Not just here. I think political discussion everywhere is dead, killed off by the whack jobs from both sides. I don't hear actual politcal debate and discussion anywhere anymore, just a lot mud slinging and accustaions of treasonous behavior from both sides. Political extremism has become the rule rather than the exception these days.

[Shinytop]

BS. You do not derail one thread by posting evidence. You wanted attention. But please, note all, I do not know the truth of the matter, but the NR is in defensive mode and anything they print at this time has a big chance of being self serving.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


Not just here. I think political discussion everywhere is dead, killed off by the whack jobs from both sides. I don't hear actual politcal debate and discussion anywhere anymore, just a lot mud slinging and accustaions of treasonous behavior from both sides. Political extremism has become the rule rather than the exception these days.

it's election time.

that's why Ive taken a break from the forum.

actually...why the F!CK am I back ?

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Shinytop
BS. You do not derail one thread by posting evidence. You wanted attention. But please, note all, I do not know the truth of the matter, but the NR is in defensive mode and anything they print at this time has a big chance of being self serving.

say whatever you want goon. I didnt see the post and I was in a hurry. I found a perspective on the story and wanted to focus on it.

if you're just here to ad hominem, dont continue.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


it's election time.

that's why Ive taken a break from the forum.

actually...why the F!CK am I back ?

eh, it doesn't just happen around election time. I can't recall the last ime I saw a political discussion on thsi forum or anywhere else that didn't disintegrate into name calling and and conspiracy theories. Both sides do it, neither side is innocently defending itself though both sides will claim that's all they are doing.

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
ahhh. the oh so pleasant media tactics during election time. How it gives me a fresh respect for the dems.....not.



two laws were broken
senior white house officials
don't they know better?

[Silicon]

NTW,

I see you found the starting gun.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


eh, it doesn't just happen around election time. I can't recall the last ime I saw a political discussion on thsi forum or anywhere else that didn't disintegrate into name calling and and conspiracy theories. Both sides do it, neither side is innocently defending itself though both sides will claim that's all they are doing.

I agree, both sides are hypocrites, liars and fascists, that's why I have shown a dislike towards partisanism lately.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Tony


I agree, both sides are hypocrites, liars and fascists, that's why I have shown a dislike towards partisanism lately.

That's a pretty spot on summary of my own feelings on this subject too. And people wonder why Americans show such a reluctance to vote. I vote but every electio I like my choices less an less, every election the choice between the candidates is more and more like a choice between drinking an ice tea tumbler full of hot, dirty dog-water or a shotglass full of human sweat. Neither choice is appealing.

[c0rbin]

die troll.

Is it German?

[Professor Frink]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


The lady was known to be an agent for a long time.

accusing the White House of something that has been known in press circle for a long time is sort of ridiculous.


Well, I guess I'm falling into the trap here as a relative new person, but your "reasoning" falls apart when you say it was known and that it has been known for a long time. If it is so well-known, then why is the CIA launching an investigation?

That is not a partisan question, I'm not a sympathizer for either side. As a scientist I go by what I see, and I see a real problem.

Frink

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Professor Frink


Well, I guess I'm falling into the trap here as a relative new person, but your "reasoning" falls apart when you say it was known and that it has been known for a long time. If it is so well-known, then why is the CIA launching an investigation?

That is not a partisan question, I'm not a sympathizer for either side. As a scientist I go by what I see, and I see a real problem.

Frink

as a scientist, you are not a member of the US government intelligence circle and you are not an adequate politician. You are a scientist and should remain so, as I would.


read the dates. July 11 and July 14 is when this came into the public eye. Today is Sept. 29.

The whole thing is an election campaign tactic for the the dems, imho.

Obviously it's a serious problem for US intelligence, but to use this as a political tactic (blame on the white house) is a bit much.


If Wilson wants to protect his wife, maybe he should find a more sensible way of helping her instead of spreading it all over every news company that wants a bite.

[jj]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
Obviously it's a serious problem for US intelligence, but to use this as a political tactic (blame on the white house) is a bit much.


This is exactly as much a political tactic as the Starr Chamber.

So, now, we have a white house that has committed treason, specifically.

We're supposed to ignore this in order to satisfy your rightwing lunatic position?

:roll:

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by jj

This is exactly as much a political tactic as the Starr Chamber.



oh please, you hopelessly closeted liberal. Don't even bring up that nonsense.


So, now, we have a white house that has committed treason, specifically.


proof ? This very statement is proof of what a political shovelin of horsesh!t this is.



We're supposed to ignore this in order to satisfy your rightwing lunatic position?

:roll: [/B]


the only lunatic here is you and those of your ilk.

your rants have become so useless, that many of those reading here have you on ignore....and you have the malfuntion to call me a rightwing lunatic ! hilarious.

Im a stymie to you and thats the only reason you can call me ridiculous things like that.

[jj]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


oh please, you hopelessly closeted liberal. Don't even bring up that nonsense.



N T W
Lies come out, bull**t spread wide.
Clinton, Bush, same brush!

NT, if you can't answer, concisely and clearly, why we should not care about this obviously treasonous performance from the white house, I'll have to assume that you support treason.

You're right, really, in some sense, Clinton didn't do anything treasonous, and somebody did in this case. They really don't compare. This is much, much appallingly worse.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by jj
N T W
Lies come out, bull**t spread wide.
Clinton, Bush, same brush!


we are trying to have a discussion about a security leak involving Rove and an undercover agent of the CIA.......and you bring up Clinton. It's so dumb.


NT, if you can't answer, concisely and clearly, why we should not care about this obviously treasonous performance from the white house, I'll have to assume that you support treason.


nice spin. I am answering concisely and clearly, you've just got an agenda to run. Treasonous performance from the white house ? Find some evidence instead of running your mouth for spin's sake.



You're right, really, in some sense, Clinton didn't do anything treasonous, and somebody did in this case. They really don't compare. This is much, much appallingly worse. [/B]

NO ONE CARES ABOUT CLINTON. GIVE IT UP.


it's election time and this is the best the democrats can do.
If I'm correct, then this will be either an embarrassment to the democrats (especially since they are quoting Clark in the same articles as these stories....Clark is irrelevant to the story..unless) or an embarrasment to the intelligence community, for which someone should be punished.

finding the correct person who leaked this information is crucial, so hold your water.

[jj]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


we are trying to have a discussion about a security leak involving Rove and an undercover agent of the CIA.......and you bring up Clinton. It's so dumb.

The irony of you calling someone "dumb"... :roll:

Now, I realize the demonstration of sheer, overwhelming hypocracy on your part hurts a bit, or perhaps more than a bit, but you have to admit pointing out your utterly disingenious hypocracy really isn't "dumb".

Annoying you? I'm sure it is.
Dumb? No. Just annoying.

nice spin. I am answering concisely and clearly, you've just got an agenda to run. Treasonous performance from the white house ? Find some evidence instead of running your mouth for spin's sake.

Well, then, you're saying the guy who wrote the article lied, then? Yes, it could be, certainly. Why not show some evidence to that end?

NO ONE CARES ABOUT CLINTON. GIVE IT UP.

Let me rephrase that:

You don't want anyone to think of Clinton, and realize how much more trivial and utterly inconsequential his stupid sex escapade was.

But we'll notice, we'll all notice, and no, we won't forget.

it's election time and this is the best the democrats can do.

Really?
The economy stinks.
People are getting accused under Patriot Act powers for doing "regular" crimes.
The President lied to all of us, publically, and got caught.

If I'm correct, then this will be either an embarrassment to the democrats (especially since they are quoting Clark in the same articles as these stories....Clark is irrelevant to the story..unless) or an embarrasment to the intelligence community, for which someone should be punished.

Well, we shall see. I have to agree with you on one point, outing covert ops is NOT acceptable.

finding the correct person who leaked this information is crucial, so hold your water.
My water? Why? You don't drink it.

Yes, finding the source of the leak is a good idea. My prediction is that the investigation will be short-changed on purpose and we'll never find out, because somebody WILL find out and the answer won't be politically acceptable.

I wonder if Ridge will call out the Homeland Security agency to track down this one, like he tried to track down the Texas Democrats...

[Nie Trink Wasser]

'Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this. In July I was interviewing a senior administration official on Ambassador Wilson's report when he told me the trip was inspired by his wife, a CIA employee working on weapons of mass destruction. Another senior official told me the same thing. As a professional journalist with 46 years experience in Washington I do not reveal confidential sources. When I called the CIA in July to confirm Mrs. Wilson's involvement in the mission for her husband -- he is a former Clinton administration official -- they asked me not to use her name, but never indicated it would endanger her or anybody else. According to a confidential source at the CIA, Mrs. Wilson was an analyst, not a spy, not a covert operator, and not in charge of undercover operatives'...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

[jj]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
'Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this.
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Surely you can see the weasel-wording there?

[P.S.A.]

Deary deary me... Your starter question for 1, Die Teutonic Namenmenschen;

Who was it who refered the revealing of Palme's name to the Justice Department for investigation?

And for 50 bonus points, what party does that person or organisation belong too?

Anyone else can answer, but they apparently only win a membership to Club Gleet...

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by P.S.A.
Deary deary me... Your starter question for 1, Die Teutonic Namenmenschen;

Who was it who refered the revealing of Palme's name to the Justice Department for investigation?

And for 50 bonus points, what party does that person or organisation belong too?

Anyone else can answer, but they apparently only win a membership to Club Gleet...



who's sock puppet is this ?

Mr. Man or Malachi ?

[P.S.A.]

"For Nie Trink Wasser, Null Points"

So says Dana, Eurovision Song Contest Winner, and Transexual Israeli. Treasure them with pride!

[Renfield]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
ahhh. the oh so pleasant media tactics during election time. How it gives me a fresh respect for the dems.....not.



Her position with the CIA was classified. It's the CIA that is calling for an investigation. Just because she isn't some foreign undercover operative doesn't mean this is a serious violation of the law.

[Renfield]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
'Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this. In July I was interviewing a senior administration official on Ambassador Wilson's report when he told me the trip was inspired by his wife, a CIA employee working on weapons of mass destruction.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

oh, ok. He didn't call the reporter, it was said during an interview.

I guess it's ok then????!!!!!!

[P.S.A.]

Renfield, you win entrance to Club Gleet! Well done... sadly I was hoping our resident opinion flip-flopping fop would have earnt his points for realising that the Investigation (which has now begun) was requested by the CIA themselves, who of course belong as an organisition to neither political party... ahh well. Now to pull on my socks and head over to the WMD thread...