Kid killing a defenseless animal is proof of god and inspiring

[becomingagodo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCdZwitrNoY&eurl=http://www.dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=53903

Seriously, this is the most crazy video I have seen. Basically, a kid hears a voice then kills a animal, which had a broken back. Firstly, what ten year old kills a animal? hasen't he got parents to do that. Not only that, but read the youtube comments.
What a sweet little guy~~Logan just taught the world such an important lesson in life~~We love you sweetie!!
My husband and I both had tears coming down our face listening to it ... its so beautiful and a heart-rending reminder of what we all should be grateful for, the love of God.
If gods love is getting a child to kill a animal, then I don't want it. You should read all the youtube comments.

Anyway, it proberly scripted.

[m_huber]

It really is a special moment in a child's life the first time they have to kill an animal that they care about. I remember having to put down my first pet. The kid tied it to religion, and really, one of the major functions of religion is to deal with death. So this isn't all that shocking. It is interesting to hear a young teenager's perspective on God.

[A Christian Sceptic]

According to that page the kid was 13.

He lives on a ranch and apparently does chores on it.

I'm not sure what's shocking here. I'm sure he probably helps butcher the chickens as well as feeding them, butcher the cows as well as feed them, combine hay, herd cattle, - you know - stuff you do on a farm.

You must be a city folk. ;)

Ths difference was this cow was apparently one he cared for like a pet and it had a broken back and was suffering.

[bokonon]

I remember seeing this one over on Godtube back when somebody was trying to get a "see who can get booted off of godtube" campaign going.

To me, it just shows how people who are desperate to find meaning will tease it out of the most meaningless Rorschach blob of random pain. Whatever gets you through the night. The fact that his analogy makes no sense whatsoever is incidental. As long as believers can nod and distract themselves with empty platitudes, they can avoid facing the pain while time does naturally what time does best. It's mostly harmless.

[becomingagodo]

It really is a special moment in a child's life the first time they have to kill an animal that they care about.
Luckly, I have no animals.
I'm not sure what's shocking here. I'm sure he probably helps butcher the chickens as well as feeding them, butcher the cows as well as feed them, combine hay, herd cattle, - you know - stuff you do on a farm.

So it is normal for a 13 year old kid to kill cows on a farm.
You must be a city folk.
I guess your right, killing animals is gods will.

[A Christian Sceptic]

If gods love is getting a child to kill a animal, then I don't want it. You should read all the youtube comments.


Just curious - but what should a person do to an animal with a broken back? And what age is appropriate to do something with / to it?

[A Christian Sceptic]

So 13 year old kids kill cattle.



So .... ?

[A Christian Sceptic]

You must be a city folk.

I guess your right, killing animals is gods will.


Are you a vegetarian?

[bokonon]

I guess your right, killing animals is gods will.
Killing an animal with a broken back is the humane thing to do. He didn't claim he killed it because god told him to, he claimed that god put some fluff on his wound after the fact, and it helped stop the bleeding.

[A Christian Sceptic]

Seriously, this is the most crazy video I have seen. Basically, a kid hears a voice then kills a animal, which had a broken back.

You might want to watch the video first before commenting and posting.

The boy killed the animal with the broken back, then asked God "Why? She (the cow) was so special ..." and then he continues with "and God said .... " where he shares the lesson he's learned.

[rwguinn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCdZwitrNoY&eurl=http://www.dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=53903

Seriously, this is the most crazy video I have seen. Basically, a kid hears a voice then kills a animal, which had a broken back. Firstly, what ten year old kills a animal? hasen't he got parents to do that. Not only that, but read the youtube comments.


If gods love is getting a child to kill a animal, then I don't want it. You should read all the youtube comments.

Anyway, it proberly scripted.

I started Fishing (for food) at age 6.
Hunting (for food) at age 12
Helped Grandma kill and clean chickens at 8.
What's the problem?
"A man must be able to shoot his own dog. Farming it out to someone else does not make it better."--that's a paraphrase from somewhere--you have to solve the problems as they come to you.

(oh, btw--I was a good Methodist kid back then, too...)

[becomingagodo]

Just curious - but what should a person do to an animal with a broken back? And what age is appropriate to do something with / to it?
Killing an animal with a broken back is the humane thing to do. He didn't claim he killed it because god told him to, he claimed that god put some fluff on his wound after the fact, and it helped stop the bleeding.
I agree it was the humane thing to do. However, his parents should have killed the cow, not a child.

You might want to watch the video first before commenting and posting.
The point is their was a voice.

I started Fishing (for food) at age 6.
Hunting (for food) at age 12
Helped Grandma kill and clean chickens at 8.
What's the problem?
I guess I don't live somewhere backwards.

"A man must be able to shoot his own dog. Farming it out to someone else does not make it better."--
A man must, not a child who's parents should have killed the animal. Espically, since the child is upset.

[Irony]

I agree it was the humane thing to do. However, his parents should have killed the cow, not a child.

Why?

[A Christian Sceptic]

I agree it was the humane thing to do. However, his parents should have killed the cow, not a child.

I don't know - 13 seems to be more of a teenager then a child.

Ditto on rwguinn's post by the way.

[AkuManiMani]

So it is normal for a 13 year old kid to kill cows on a farm.

I'm sure its happened millions of times throughout history

I guess your right, killing animals is gods will.

Or the will of anyone who eats meat. Are you a vegetarian?

[Nogbad]

M'kay

Odd - it seemed more like a South Park spoof than anything else.

I grew up in the countryside and animals, birds and fish are killed for food. If a farm animal is seriously ill it is put down. First time I've heard it turned into a rather clumsy homily but I guess if it helps the kid get through the day who am I to gripe.

[A Christian Sceptic]

I guess I don't live somewhere backwards.


Ahh -- so you are one of those city folk.:D

[NobbyNobbs]

"A man must be able to shoot his own dog. Farming it out to someone else does not make it better."--that's a paraphrase from somewhere--you have to solve the problems as they come to you.



I believe that's from "Of Mice and Men", by John Steinbeck.

[A Christian Sceptic]

A man must, not a child who's parents should have killed the animal. Espically, since the child is upset.

Seriously though - at what age would you consider him a man? Is that the minimum age you think a person should kill an animal with a broken back? What if no one else is around - what should a person not meeting that minimum age do to the animal with the broken back?

[AkuManiMani]

M'kay

Odd - it seemed more like a South Park spoof than anything else.

I grew up in the countryside and animals, birds and fish are killed for food. If a farm animal is seriously ill it is put down. First time I've heard it turned into a rather clumsy homily but I guess if it helps the kid get through the day who am I to gripe.

I think becommingagodo believes all food orininates from the supermarket. I guess the fact that all those packaged meats are named after live animals must be coincidence :rolleyes:

[becomingagodo]

I think becommingagodo believes all food orininates from the supermarket. I guess the fact that all those packaged meats are named after live animals must be coincidence
I'm a vegetarian.
at what age would you consider him a man?
18
Is that the minimum age you think a person should kill an animal with a broken back?
It depends, however yes.
What if no one else is around - what should a person not meeting that minimum age do to the animal with the broken back?
Obviously the parents where around, unless they leave the kid, which would be illegal. Get someone else to kill it, someone who is 18 or over. Seriously, would you get a child to kill a cow who had a broken back?

[A Christian Sceptic]

Obviously the parents where around, unless they leave the kid, which would be illegal. Get someone else to kill it, someone who is 18 or over.

It's illegal to do what? Leave an 13 year old boy alone?

[becomingagodo]

It's illegal to do what? Leave an 13 year old boy alone?
The boy said this mourning. So where was the parents the whole day? or in the night?

Seriously, leaving a child on his own for a whole day is not good.

[A Christian Sceptic]

The boy said this mourning. So where was the parents the whole day? or in the night?

Seriously, leaving a child on his own for a whole day is not good.

You said illegal. Is it illegal where you live? (Do you live in the US?)

You do understand we are talking about a 13 year old, don't you?

What's the minimum amount of time a 13 year old should be left alone? And how long should a parent be present with him before starting the amount of time all over?

[becomingagodo]

You said illegal. Is it illegal where you live? (Do you live in the US?)

Yes, if you leave your children alone for a whole day including the night it is.
You do understand we are talking about a 13 year old, don't you?
So what, you still don't leave a child alone for a whole day, espically at night.
What's the minimum amount of time a 13 year old should be left alone?
Not 24 hours. 10 hours maybe.
And how long should a parent be present with him before starting the amount of time all over?
Seriously if the parents came back they would have seen the cow has broken his back, however what where they doing?

Seriously, what was so improtant to leave a child for 24hours?

[A Christian Sceptic]

Yes, if you leave your children alone for a whole day including the night it is.


What state do you live in and what does the law say? My state doesn't have any laws about leaving children home alone.


So what, you still don't leave a child alone for a whole day, espically at night.


what age would be appropriate to stay home alone for a whole day and night? What about for a whole weekend?


Not 24 hours. 10 hours maybe.

Seriously if the parents came back they would have seen the cow has broken his back, however what where they doing?

Seriously, what was so improtant to leave a child for 24hours?

What I meant was this - if the 13 year old was left alone for 10 hours how long would an adult need to be present with them before starting the 10 hour count over?

[becomingagodo]

This is pointless.

I guess we live in too different cultures. A child killing an animal in UK is not something to be proud off, espically if your left all night alone.

If someone left there child all night alone then they would get in alot of trouble in the UK. And I don't know someone who actually does that in the UK.

And that assuming he was left alone. Which, raises the question why didn't the parents kill the animal?

[Nogbad]

There isn't an actual age limit in the UK but if the child (under 16) has been deemed to have been left to his endangerment criminal proceedings can be brought against the parents. He certainly wouldn't have legal access to a gun to kill a calf (assuming he used a gun).

[A Christian Sceptic]

This is pointless.

I guess we live in too different cultures. A child killing an animal in UK is not something to be proud off, espically if your left all night alone.



Did you watch that clip? The kid wasn't proud and bragging he killed the cow - he was sad and when he questioned God about it he gained what he felt was insight about the character of God and Jesus sacrifice, etc.


If someone left there child all night alone then they would get in alot of trouble in the UK. And I don't know someone who actually does that in the UK.

And that assuming he was left alone. Which, raises the question why didn't the parents kill the animal?

Do the children on farms in the UK not have responsibilities taking care of the animals, etc? Can farmers there have guns?

[Ratman_tf]

"A man must be able to shoot his own dog. Farming it out to someone else does not make it better."--that's a paraphrase from somewhere--you have to solve the problems as they come to you.



If it's the quote I'm thinking of, it's from Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, when they executed a man who went AWOL from their training Battalion and subsequently kidnapped and killed a child.

The man was on their roles, so they tried and executed him under military juristiction.

[m_huber]

You seem to be missing the possibility that his dad told him to do it. 13 on a farm is plenty old enough to be taking all responsibilities of a man. The boy will probably be married by the time he is 20.

[godofpie]

Someone should point out to the kid that god was kind of lying. Wasn't Jesus only dead for 3 days before he went to go sit at the right hand of big g.o.d.? He really didn't have to miss Jesus for very long.

[rwguinn]

If it's the quote I'm thinking of, it's from Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, when they executed a man who went AWOL from their training Battalion and subsequently kidnapped and killed a child.

The man was on their roles, so they tried and executed him under military juristiction.
that's the one...

[rwguinn]

This is pointless.

I guess we live in too different cultures. A child killing an animal in UK is not something to be proud off, espically if your left all night alone.

If someone left there child all night alone then they would get in alot of trouble in the UK. And I don't know someone who actually does that in the UK.

And that assuming he was left alone. Which, raises the question why didn't the parents kill the animal?

It's different.
In some states, kids can start babysitting at 13. That means not only are no adult6s around, they have responsibility for the well-being of younger kids.
In the US, especially the Western parts (except parts of California and Washington, perhaps), we value freedom and independence. The two go together and are inseparable.
a hundred and fifty years ago, a 13 year old was often the man of the house through necessity

[NobbyNobbs]

If it's the quote I'm thinking of, it's from Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers, when they executed a man who went AWOL from their training Battalion and subsequently kidnapped and killed a child.

The man was on their roles, so they tried and executed him under military juristiction.

As I said earlier, it's Steinbeck, not Heinlein.
Of Mice and Men was published in 1937. Starship Troopers was published in 1959. From the former:

"I ought to of shot that dog myself, George. I shouldn't ought to of let no stranger shoot my dog." Chapter 3, page 61.





18
Get someone else to kill it, someone who is 18 or over. Seriously, would you get a child to kill a cow who had a broken back?

Why do you consider 18 to be the age at which a boy becomes a man? You're allowed to drive at 16, and many would say that a car is more lethal than someone properly trained to use a gun in the right circumstances.

Heck, Jewish tradition is that you're a man at 13.

This kid grew up on a farm, likely witnessing birth and death first hand every season.

Yes, if you leave your children alone for a whole day including the night it is.

So what, you still don't leave a child alone for a whole day, espically at night.

Not 24 hours. 10 hours maybe.

Seriously if the parents came back they would have seen the cow has broken his back, however what where they doing?

Seriously, what was so improtant to leave a child for 24hours?

A child killing an animal in UK is not something to be proud off, espically if your left all night alone.

If someone left there child all night alone then they would get in alot of trouble in the UK. And I don't know someone who actually does that in the UK.

And that assuming he was left alone. Which, raises the question why didn't the parents kill the animal?


Where on earth do you get the idea that the parents left him alone at all, much less for 24 hours? There's absolutely nothing to indicate that from the clip you posted. For all we know, his parents were going to put the cow out of its misery and, being responsible for it, he may have stepped up and essentially said, "No, a man's gotta kill his own dog."

How do you know his parents weren't right inside, ready to console him when it was all over?

[rwguinn]

As I said earlier, it's Steinbeck, not Heinlein.
Of Mice and Men was published in 1937. Starship Troopers was published in 1959. From the former:

"I ought to of shot that dog myself, George. I shouldn't ought to of let no stranger shoot my dog." Chapter 3, page 61.
Heinlein took it, polished it, and used it in the manner I paraphrased and Ratman tf sourced.





Why do you consider 18 to be the age at which a boy becomes a man? You're allowed to drive at 16, and many would say that a car is more lethal than someone properly trained to use a gun in the right circumstances.

Heck, Jewish tradition is that you're a man at 13.

This kid grew up on a farm, likely witnessing birth and death first hand every season.
There you go, blaming it on the joooooos






Where on earth do you get the idea that the parents left him alone at all, much less for 24 hours? There's absolutely nothing to indicate that from the clip you posted. For all we know, his parents were going to put the cow out of its misery and, being responsible for it, he may have stepped up and essentially said, "No, a man's gotta kill his own dog."

How do you know his parents weren't right inside, ready to console him when it was all over?
Cuz that's what we uncivilized, barbaric 'murcans do all the time. Its our way of life. We ain't civilized like Yurpeans is...

[JCL]

This is pointless.

I guess we live in too different cultures. A child killing an animal in UK is not something to be proud off, espically if your left all night alone.

If someone left there child all night alone then they would get in alot of trouble in the UK. And I don't know someone who actually does that in the UK.

And that assuming he was left alone. Which, raises the question why didn't the parents kill the animal?

becomingagodo,

I do not understand what putting down an injured animal and staying alone at night have to do with each other, could you explain the connection?

Also...

Why 18, what happens at that age to make staying alone and putting down an injured animal all right?

[Nogbad]

Getting back to the original recording did anybody actually think it conveyed a spiritual truth?

Am I alone in being majorly heartless for thinking it sounded like a South Park skit?

Reading the comments left on Youtube I can only assume some people tear up at least little thing.

[Wolfman]

Well, I'll add my voice here. I grew up in a farming town of about 900 people; my family weren't farmers, but I worked on many a farm in my childhood.

I was chopping the heads off of chickens (while still alive) when I was 12 years old. Saw plenty of other animals slaughtered by others. I don't know of anyone in our community who thought it strange or improper for a child to be involved in such things, it was a part of life.

I remember when I was about 10, I had a pet rabbit, that got run over accidentally by a bicycle, breaking its back. I wanted to nurse it back to health, but my parents insisted that that would be cruel, that the rabbit would not be able to recover, and that I would just be forcing it to suffer unnecessary pain. They told me it had to be killed to end its suffering. And they offered to do it for me.

I said no...it was my rabbit, and my responsibility. And I had the rather romanticized notion as a child that it would feel more comfortable in my hands, than in someone else's. I filled a tub with water, picked up my rabbit, and with tears in my eyes, I drowned it. It didn't take long. Afterwards, I gave it a burial.

In no way do I consider it wrong for my parents to have told me that the rabbit needed to be put out of its misery. In no way do I consider it wrong for them to have let me do it myself. It was very painful, and caused plenty of tears. But that was part of life.

BAGO seems to have a certain disconnect with reality, an idealized version of the world in which animals live a kind of Disney-like existence. The reality is that animals are incredibly brutal and cruel. The predators who rip their prey's stomachs open, then eat them while they are still alive. The animals who get infections that slowly kill them, subjecting them to tremendous suffering until eventually they fall and rot. Living in the countryside, I witnessed plenty of animals that suffered terribly -- without humans ever touching them. And in more than a few instances, as a child and as a young man, I killed such creatures when I found them, in order to put them out of their pain.

I do have problems with people who kill simply for sport. And I do have problems with people who inflict unnecessary pain and suffering on animals.

But teaching a child the humanity of ending an animal's suffering? There is no animal except humans who would kill an animal out of mercy. And I personally am glad for the lesson I learned as a child. I am offended at the suggestions by BAGO that this represents some sort of unacceptable cruelty, either towards the animal, or towards the child.

[Wolfman]

On the religious side...let me join others in pointing out that:

* the kid never mentioned this as a 'proof of god', nor did the radio host
* the kid did not do it because he believed god had told him to do it
* the kid did not use god to justify what he had done

He did what he did, and he believed he had done the right thing (as I also believe); he wasn't trying to justify it. But in his pain, he drew a parallel to what he'd been taught about God, and Jesus.

Now, personally, I think it is sad and pathetic that so many adults have jumped on this to try to proclaim some glorious revelation, or some divine wisdom. But the kid? He was a kid who faced a difficult situation, made the right decision even though it was difficult, and then had to deal with the pain of it afterwards. And he did that within the perspective of the beliefs he's been taught. I can see nothing wrong with what he did, or his reaction to it, given the situation.

[DARK LORD XENU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCdZwitrNoY&eurl=http://www.dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=53903

Seriously, this is the most crazy video I have seen. Basically, a kid hears a voice then kills a animal, which had a broken back. Firstly, what ten year old kills a animal? hasen't he got parents to do that. Not only that, but read the youtube comments.


If gods love is getting a child to kill a animal, then I don't want it. You should read all the youtube comments.

Anyway, it proberly scripted.

Mate you are a SOOK!
Why is it so awfull for a 13 year old having to kill a suffering animal?

Even though I as yet have not watched the video but by that age I personaly had chocked the life out of brown snakes which is Australias MOST POISONOUS snake on at least half a dozen occasions if any thing to put the thing out of their misery after not being finished off by a car that run it over.

So don't start getting on your high horse on this one mate, there are a lot of people who would killed animals by that age and still turned out fine.

What you gotta be worried about is if it turned out the 13 year old broke the cows back just in order to have an excuse to kill it!

[tsig]

Well, I'll add my voice here. I grew up in a farming town of about 900 people; my family weren't farmers, but I worked on many a farm in my childhood.

I was chopping the heads off of chickens (while still alive) when I was 12 years old. Saw plenty of other animals slaughtered by others. I don't know of anyone in our community who thought it strange or improper for a child to be involved in such things, it was a part of life.

I remember when I was about 10, I had a pet rabbit, that got run over accidentally by a bicycle, breaking its back. I wanted to nurse it back to health, but my parents insisted that that would be cruel, that the rabbit would not be able to recover, and that I would just be forcing it to suffer unnecessary pain. They told me it had to be killed to end its suffering. And they offered to do it for me.

I said no...it was my rabbit, and my responsibility. And I had the rather romanticized notion as a child that it would feel more comfortable in my hands, than in someone else's. I filled a tub with water, picked up my rabbit, and with tears in my eyes, I drowned it. It didn't take long. Afterwards, I gave it a burial.

In no way do I consider it wrong for my parents to have told me that the rabbit needed to be put out of its misery. In no way do I consider it wrong for them to have let me do it myself. It was very painful, and caused plenty of tears. But that was part of life.

BAGO seems to have a certain disconnect with reality, an idealized version of the world in which animals live a kind of Disney-like existence. The reality is that animals are incredibly brutal and cruel. The predators who rip their prey's stomachs open, then eat them while they are still alive. The animals who get infections that slowly kill them, subjecting them to tremendous suffering until eventually they fall and rot. Living in the countryside, I witnessed plenty of animals that suffered terribly -- without humans ever touching them. And in more than a few instances, as a child and as a young man, I killed such creatures when I found them, in order to put them out of their pain.

I do have problems with people who kill simply for sport. And I do have problems with people who inflict unnecessary pain and suffering on animals.

But teaching a child the humanity of ending an animal's suffering? There is no animal except humans who would kill an animal out of mercy. And I personally am glad for the lesson I learned as a child. I am offended at the suggestions by BAGO that this represents some sort of unacceptable cruelty, either towards the animal, or towards the child.

Every year the people from the city would throw out dogs along our rural road. Some would get hit by cars some made it up the hill but a 22 caliber awaited them all.