[Split]Squibs and faces - split from: Layman's terms please! Tower collapse issue

[Dave Rogers]

Dear Mr X,

Why don't you explain anything at all about 9-11? Pick your subject. Anything about 9-11 will do.

Look forward to it.

Dave

[Mr X]

Dear Mr X,

Why don't you explain anything at all about 9-11? Pick your subject. Anything about 9-11 will do.



Dave


Is it not for you to 'explain anything at all about 9/11'. You and your pals here are the one who are so convinced that you're so right (even with a hint of self-righteousness ....... if I may add).

Anyway whilst you're here.... have you got an explanation for them squibs.. without (a) going on about I dont know what a squib is. and
(b) denying their existence.

Look forward to it.

[SDC]

1/ You don't know what a squib is.

2/ Real squibs -- as opposed to what you seem to think they are -- didn't happen.

[Mr X]

1/ You don't know what a squib is.

2/ Real squibs -- as opposed to what you seem to think they are -- didn't happen.



You mean you haven't got an answer.

[uk_dave]

Mr X,

Do you have any explanation for the faces in the smoke which were witnessed and photgraphed while the towers burned?

http://www.christianmedia.us/devil-face.html

[Dave Rogers]

Anyway whilst you're here.... have you got an explanation for them squibs.. without (a) going on about I dont know what a squib is. and
(b) denying their existence.

No, I haven't got an explanation for something that didn't exist and that you don't know anything about that doesn't involve pointing out that you don't know what squibs are and denying their existence. Nor do I have an explanation for why the towers took about 15 seconds to fall that doesn't involve knowing something about structural failures. Unfortunately, I can't explain anything if the one condition is that I'm not allowed to explain it.

While (a) and (b) are both valid, there were a total of six known events during the collapse where smoke and/or debris was expelled from the sides of the towers during collapse at a velocity far too low and over a timescale too long to be associated with any kind of explosive charge. The most likely explanation is overpressurisation of the air inside the towers due to the collapse, an effect that truthers claim could not have happened unless they want to argue that the collapse time of the towers should have been longer, in which case they abruptly reverse their position and claim that it should have happened, and to an unrealistically large extent. Interestingly, Gregory Urich has included air compression effects in his collapse time calculation, and still finds that the observed time was reasonable.

The truth movement has yet to explain why six charges that didn't do anything to speed up the collapse were needed, or how they expelled material so slowly. Then again, Mr. X has yet to explain anything other than his own reasons for being on this forum.

Dave

[Drudgewire]

You mean you haven't got an answer.
I've got one, but it breaks rule 10 a lot so I'm better off putting you on ignore.

[SDC]

You mean you haven't got an answer.

I answered. You just don't like my answers.

[Mr X]

Dave Rodger............. I'm not with you. How is this compression taking place?? Any chance you draw a diagram showing the forces and the surface areas acting on the 'compressed' air. Look forward to it.

Minadin.......... not sure what you're waffling about. Any chance of a diagram?

[Dave Rogers]

Dave Rodger............. I'm not with you. How is this compression taking place?? Any chance you draw a diagram showing the forces and the surface areas acting on the 'compressed' air.

Since you can't understand Newtons Bit's diagrams, what makes you think you'd understand mine?

Dave

[Mr X]

Since you can't understand Newtons Bit's diagrams, what makes you think you'd understand mine?

Dave


I'm willing to give it a try.

[SDC]

Sadly, no, he has made it clear that he is, precisely, NOT "willing to give it a try." He already (as Dave pointed out) rejected the basic facts.

I don't go around calling people "liars" but if I did this would be something of a prima facie case.

[Dave Rogers]

Any chance you draw a diagram showing the forces and the surface areas acting on the 'compressed' air.

Just in case there are any lurkers out there who might have mistaken this for a sincere enquiry from someone interested in genuine discussion:

If Newton can draw diagrams (that don't relate to reality). I'm sure he can speak for himself.

Not as pointless as your diagrams.

:troll

Dave

[Dave Rogers]

I'm willing to give it a try.

Liar.

Dave

[Pookster]

Dave Rodger............. I'm not with you. How is this compression taking place?? Any chance you draw a diagram showing the forces and the surface areas acting on the 'compressed' air. Look forward to it.

Minadin.......... not sure what you're waffling about. Any chance of a diagram?

What is it with needing diagrams? Are you going to need pictures drawn for you for everything? Just askin'

[Belz...]

Anyway whilst you're here.... have you got an explanation for them squibs.. without (a) going on about I dont know what a squib is. and
(b) denying their existence.

How the hell are we supposed to have an explanation about something that didn't happen when it's clear you have no idea what a squib is IF we can't say both of these two true facts ?

[Minadin]

Minadin.......... not sure what you're waffling about. Any chance of a diagram?

Waffling? I was responding to the OP. I wasn't talking to you. And it's quite unlikely that I'll be making any diagrams for anyone who clearly doesn't want to learn anything. Willful ignorance is a waste of my time.

[chillzero]

Posts moved as off topic to original thread. Keep it civil here please, people.

[Totovader]

I thought the "Truth" Movement dropped the "squibs" nonsense ages ago...

Perhaps the mysterious Mr. X is just late to the party. (http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_squibs.html)

[Newtons Bit]

1/ You don't know what a squib is.

A squib is a person who has wizarding parents but they themselves can't use magic. Duh!

[Alferd_Packer]

I once used "squib" in a scrabble game AND I hit a triple word score.

I won that game, but had to fight that squib was a real word.

[GStan]

I once used "squib" in a scrabble game AND I hit a triple word score.

I won that game, but had to fight that squib was a real word.

It's what they use to make calamari, isn't it?

[AZCat]

A squib is a person who has wizarding parents but they themselves can't use magic. Duh!

Wow. My perception of you as a person just changed radically. No longer do you exist as a function-generating machine filled with lots of tasty structural bits - you now have a smooth Potter icing to boot.

[X]

Anyway whilst you're here.... have you got an explanation for them squibs.. without (a) going on about I dont know what a squib is. and
(b) denying their existence.

Look forward to it.


If you're going to ask for an explanation of something, it's a good idea not to disallow any responses that disagree with the idea you decided on in advance.

If, by "squibs", you are referring to the puffs of smoke/dust/whatever coming from the buildings, then I will not deny that puffs of stuff were seen.
What were they?
Most likely air. The sudden reduction in available volume due to the collapsing building would increase the air pressure. This could be enough to blow out some windows that had been weakened by the impact, fires, birds, or almost anything else.
This would explain why they appear more like a jet than an explosion.
In addition, the lack of sound and problems with trying to explain how the "squibs" got there in the first place make the squib scenario impossible.
Meanwhile, the air pressure explanation is fairly straightforward.

I will admit I have not done any calculations. This is just basic hypothesizing. I'll have to do some research to see what other explanations are possible.

[beachnut]

Squib, is a small firecrackers that did not contribute to the WTC falling.

Squib, is a firecracker that burns but does not explode, and none contributed to the fall of the WTC.

Squib, is a satirical or witty speech or writing like a lampoon. No squibs were responsible for the fall of the WTC.

To squib would be to kick a ball low on the ground so it bounces along. No balls were squibbed on 9/11 to aid the WTC falling.

Therefore, no squibs were seen on 9/11.

[Mr X]

What is it with needing diagrams? Are you going to need pictures drawn for you for everything? Just askin'


No harm in asking.

There's too much vague talk on these forums. A diagram helps. If you don't believe me, just ask Newton's Bit.

[DGM]

No harm in asking.

There's too much vague talk on these forums. A diagram helps. If you don't believe me, just ask Newton's Bit.
Vague talk? Have you not read the engineering analysis(or don't you understand it)?

[Mr X]

Ok people, the 'squibb' query has stimulated the commedian in a lot of you.... nothing wrong with that, of course..........keep it up!

Hey [X], have we met?.............ha! ha!.............oh, by the way, what colour do you know air to be?


Hey DGM............ is this your engineering analysis?

[Pookster]

No harm in asking.

There's too much vague talk on these forums. A diagram helps. If you don't believe me, just ask Newton's Bit.

You reply to me about too much vagueness on these forums, and then proceed to be vague in a reference to NB. Too cute.

[Mr X]

You reply to me about too much vagueness on these forums, and then proceed to be vague in a reference to NB. Too cute.

Thanks for the 'cute' compliment. You're not so bad yourself.....ha!

I mean he (NB) posts diagrams... he obviously knows of their benefits.

[Newtons Bit]

Thanks for the 'cute' compliment. You're not so bad yourself.....ha!

I mean he (NB) posts diagrams... he obviously knows of their benefits.

You need to stop being two-faced.

[Pookster]

Thanks for the 'cute' compliment. You're not so bad yourself.....ha!

I mean he (NB) posts diagrams... he obviously knows of their benefits.

He posts diagrams at times and offers excellent explanations for them. I can't recall ever seeing "vague talk" from him. So, I'll ask again. Are you going to need pictures drawn for you for everything? We wouldn't want you to be confused. Just give the word.

[Frontrunner91]

You need to stop being two-faced.

Could you make him a diagram explaining how?

[DGM]

Ok people, the 'squibb' query has stimulated the commedian in a lot of you.... nothing wrong with that, of course..........keep it up!

Hey [X], have we met?.............ha! ha!.............oh, by the way, what colour do you know air to be?


Hey DGM............ is this your engineering analysis?
How many "voices" do you hear while you type (assuming your alone)?

[uk_dave]

So, what about those faces in the smoke, eh?

I see moloch, cheney and micheal jackson (inverted with a different nose)

What do you see?

[einsteen]

In a standard (from the bottom) implosion the air also needs to escape, why don't we see those violent ejections in that case ?

[DGM]

In a standard (from the bottom) implosion the air also needs to escape, why don't we see those violent ejections in that case ?
Because the windows are removed to avoid a build-up of pressure (scattered debris) that could cause damage to surrounding buildings.

[einsteen]

Because the windows are removed to avoid a build-up of pressure (scattered debris) that could cause damage to surrounding buildings.
In wtc7 the windows were also not removed. I didn't see any violent ejections.

[DGM]

In wtc7 the windows were also not removed. I didn't see any violent ejections.
WTC 7 had windows removed by the north tower. It also collapsed from the bottom where you couldn't see.

[Brainache]

So, what about those faces in the smoke, eh?

I see moloch, cheney and micheal jackson (inverted with a different nose)

What do you see?

I see Gandalf, Gimli, Gollum and Conan O'Brien.

[NobbyNobbs]

Mr. X:

Rather than a diagram, how about a demonstration?

Take a spoonful of flour, sugar, bread crumbs, or crushed Rice Krispies. Place it in your mouth loosely, taking care to keep the contents as dry as possible. Puff out your cheeks. Now have a friend squeeze your cheeks (of your mouth! :p ) in real fast and hard. Observe what happens to the dry goods you had in your mouth.

Ta-dah! A "squib".

[Confuseling]

Mr. X:

Rather than a diagram, how about a demonstration?

Take a spoonful of flour, sugar, bread crumbs, or crushed Rice Krispies. Place it in your mouth loosely, taking care to keep the contents as dry as possible. Puff out your cheeks. Now have a friend squeeze your cheeks (of your mouth! :p ) in real fast and hard. Observe what happens to the dry goods you had in your mouth.

Ta-dah! A "squib".

:D YOUTUBE! YOUTUBE YOUTUBE YOUTUBE please please please!

I don't think anyone's mentioned that there's no need to blow up a building once it's commenced a collapse that it couldn't possibly survive yet.

Press 'tags.' Type 'squibs.'

[twinstead]

The YouTube Generation ROCKS!

[Mr X]

You know, I hear good things about this forum...... so I sign up to have civilised conversation with educated people that will give me and others insights as to what happened on that day......... and the following is kind of reply I get.

I mean really.


Mr. X:

Rather than a diagram, how about a demonstration?

Take a spoonful of flour, sugar, bread crumbs, or crushed Rice Krispies. Place it in your mouth loosely, taking care to keep the contents as dry as possible. Puff out your cheeks. Now have a friend squeeze your cheeks (of your mouth! :p ) in real fast and hard. Observe what happens to the dry goods you had in your mouth.

Ta-dah! A "squib".

[DavidJames]

You know, I hear good things about this forum...... so I sign up to have civilised conversation with educated people that will give me and others insights as to what happened on that day......... and the following is kind of reply I get.

I mean really.It appears the response you quoted was directed at the level of intellect suggested by the question.

Squibs?

I mean really.

[Mr X]

It appears the response you quoted was directed at the level of intellect suggested by the question.

Squibs?

I mean really.


So no doubt you've got an answer for them....... lets hear it.

[GStan]

So no doubt you've got an answer for them....... lets hear it.

X already answered it for you here:

If, by "squibs", you are referring to the puffs of smoke/dust/whatever coming from the buildings, then I will not deny that puffs of stuff were seen.
What were they?
Most likely air. The sudden reduction in available volume due to the collapsing building would increase the air pressure. This could be enough to blow out some windows that had been weakened by the impact, fires, birds, or almost anything else.
This would explain why they appear more like a jet than an explosion.
In addition, the lack of sound and problems with trying to explain how the "squibs" got there in the first place make the squib scenario impossible.
Meanwhile, the air pressure explanation is fairly straightforward.

You just ignored it.

There is a more detailed explanation here:

http://www.debunking911.com/overp.htm

[Cuddles]

So no doubt you've got an answer for them....... lets hear it.

Here you go:

Mr. X:

Rather than a diagram, how about a demonstration?

Take a spoonful of flour, sugar, bread crumbs, or crushed Rice Krispies. Place it in your mouth loosely, taking care to keep the contents as dry as possible. Puff out your cheeks. Now have a friend squeeze your cheeks (of your mouth! :p ) in real fast and hard. Observe what happens to the dry goods you had in your mouth.

Ta-dah! A "squib".

Seriously. That's not taking the piss, it's a very good demonstration of air pressure expelling matter in a horizontal direction. Now, replace the crumbs with dust, rubble, office supplies and whatever else you have to hand and replace your friend with a 13 story building. See the relevance now?

[Mr X]

[QUOTE=GStan;3516592]X already answered it for you here:



You just ignored it.


]


Kind of amaturish explanation dont you think. Or maybe it's good enough for you.
Any case I didn't ignore it. I asked a follow up question.


Hey Cuddles

I like the way you explain.............. all without a diagram as well.
Anway... why cant the air escape.... you know since it's pressurised. I mean whats causing the pressurisation?

[lapman]

[QUOTE=GStan;3516592]
I like the way you explain.............. all without a diagram as well.
Anway... why cant the air escape.... you know since it's pressurised. I mean whats causing the pressurisation?
Seriously, each floor had roughly 480,000 cubic feet of air that was suddenly compressed by tens of thousands of tons of upper floors falling. Where is that air supposed to go?

[Cuddles]

[Anway... why cant the air escape.... you know since it's pressurised.

:bwall
It does escape. That's the whole point.

I mean whats causing the pressurisation?

Remember the part where a building was collapsing?

[GStan]

Kind of amaturish explanation dont you think. Or maybe it's good enough for you.
Any case I didn't ignore it. I asked a follow up question.


Yes, and X admitted as much when he answered. That is why I linked this for you:

http://www.debunking911.com/overp.htm

Perhaps that was too amateur as well. Here is an article written by a professional who has observed and documented hundred's of controlled structural demolitions:

http://www.jod911.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf

[Mr X]

Lapman and Cuddle

'Floors fell on top it'......... you mean like the 'pancake theory' explanation.


GStan
Thanks for the links.

[Minadin]

You must understand that there's a difference between pancaking as the initiation event and pancaking as something that occured in the ensuing global collapse.

[GStan]

Lapman and Cuddle

'Floors fell on top it'......... you mean like the 'pancake theory' explanation.


GStan
Thanks for the links.

No problem.

Btw, welcome to the forum.

[Dave Rogers]

You must understand

There's your problem, right there.

Dave

[Alferd_Packer]

I wonder how many 9/11 truthers are familiar with high rise HVAC systems?

Have any of you ever been inside a high rise mechanical room?

[lapman]

Lapman and Cuddle

'Floors fell on top it'......... you mean like the 'pancake theory' explanation.


GStan
Thanks for the links.
Yeah. Answer the question. Where was all that air supposed to go?

[Alferd_Packer]

Yeah. Answer the question. Where was all that air supposed to go?


Or better yet, answer the following: where does the air normally go in an undamaged, uncollapsing high rise building?