yellow bamboo does it really work?

[yellowbamboo]

1. Pick someone to come here to do a test.

2. COme for the full moon joining ceremony

3. Meet with Pak serengen for the full moon ceremony. Politely ask him
if he would be willing to give you a demo in two days hence. If yes-
cool if no go to plan B


4. Plan B Take private lessons untilt he sunday class so you can try
to knock down attacker yourself (optional) GO to both the 8AM free
class on sunday nmorning in singaraja and 5pm one sunday in
petitinget.

Ask if you can repel attackers (optional)

BTW- video all this for back home and tell them and pak serengen your
considering inviting him to perth to give classes- this shoudl clench
it cause I know serengen really wants to go to abroad and teach and
hey if it really works you will want him to cvome, no?

Anway- ask the headmaster if you can video a demo of people repelling
attackers.
One of the demos is what I xcall "bull in the ring" where all the
students stand around in a circle with the repeller in the middle and
people charge at the defender at random and try to kill him.

Now there are two bull in the ring scenarios-

a) One is the one where you repel attackers as seen in the video-
b) One is where you hit the guy with all your strength and he suffers
no harm.

So for either or both- you get really mad, angry enough to kill and
charge the
guy with all you got.

If you get knocked on yer ass you know ti works

if you dont- you get to knock the sh** outta someone without any
penalties :-)


Anyway it is worth a shot.

But dont tell anyone *I* put you up to this :-)


All the best,

YBS

[Ravenwood]

Ahem...If you wish to go for the challenge, the rules are here: http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
Just posting "to see if it works" is a waste of time. If you really want to prove it, follow the rules & take the challenge.

[T'ai Chi]

I wonder if some YB members or the masters could join the UFC or some other no holds barred challenge and see if they can repel the attackers.

[Pyrrho]

Of course it doesn't really work. Such powers are precluded by the laws of physics.

Next.

[Kevin_Lowe]

Originally posted by T'ai Chi
I wonder if some YB members or the masters could join the UFC or some other no holds barred challenge and see if they can repel the attackers.

What? We know that could cause fatal internal injuries to those professional fighters! The Yellow Bamboo masters would never stoop so low!

:D

It's fun to imagine Pak Serengen getting slammed to the ground by a roided-up pro, though. I would pay to see it.

Oh yes, I would pay to see it.

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by Pyrrho
Of course it doesn't really work. Such powers are precluded by the laws of physics.

Next.

Not so fast. Maybe I'm just being dense.

I read what Randi wrote about it and parts of various forum threads, and I still can't figure out what the Hell they claim to be doing.

It sounds like they say they can make people flinch by swinging bamboo rods at them. What's supernatural about that?

Or is it more like the Pentacostal "slain in the spirit" trick?

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred


Not so fast. Maybe I'm just being dense.

I read what Randi wrote about it and parts of various forum threads, and I still can't figure out what the Hell they claim to be doing.

It sounds like they say they can make people flinch by swinging bamboo rods at them. What's supernatural about that?

Or is it more like the Pentacostal "slain in the spirit" trick?
It's the reverse. When someone attacks them with a bamboo stick, they can make the attacker fall down without touching the attacker (or so they claim).

[Starrman]

2. COme for the full moon joining ceremony

Why is this and all the other malarky necessary? Are you saying they can only repel the attack of someone who is also a member of Yellow Bamboo and has gone through training?

Here's my protocol.

1) We meet somewhere neutral.
2) I don't even see Pak until I am across from him for the demo
3) Every one else is barricaded away from us, but can observe. The observers will be a mixture of Yellow Bamboo members, scientists, skeptics and the curious.
4) Cameras are mounted from several angles, and the area is well lit
5) I think about Baney the Purple Dinasour, whom I hate, to fill my heart with hate
6) I carefully walk up to Pak and try to touch him with some bamboo.

Could he knock me down with his magic under these conditions?

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

It's the reverse. When someone attacks them with a bamboo stick, they can make the attacker fall down without touching the attacker (or so they claim).

OK now I get it.

Does the trick only work if the attacker wields bamboo? Will it work against a Louisville Slugger? Or bare fists?

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred

Not so fast. Maybe I'm just being dense.

I read what Randi wrote about it and parts of various forum threads, and I still can't figure out what the Hell they claim to be doing.

It sounds like they say they can make people flinch by swinging bamboo rods at them. What's supernatural about that?

Or is it more like the Pentacostal "slain in the spirit" trick?
No, you run at the YB practitioner as if to attack him and he unleashes a primal scream at you, while also doing an impression of Darth Sideous with his fingers, only without the SFX. You are knocked down by the Power of the Force. Or, as in one of the videos, you fall down before the guy begins his scream/fingers routine, thereby proving not only the power of Yellow Bamboo, but time warps as well.

The actual stick of bamboo seems to be optional.

[Patricio Elicer]

Originally posted by Pyrrho
No, you run at the YB practitioner as if to attack him and he unleashes a primal scream at you, while also doing an impression of Darth Sideous with his fingers, only without the SFX. You are knocked down by the Power of the Force If this is a compulsory condition on the test, then it raises suspicions that the subject is obliged to pass through a predetermined and "special" spot of the ground. Why not just knock him down while standing still? :rolleyes:

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by Patricio Elicer
If this is a compulsory condition on the test, then it raises suspicions that the subject is obliged to pass through a predetermined and "special" spot of the ground. Why not just knock him down while standing still? :rolleyes:
Good point. Another point to consider is that even if genuine, this power is useless against common attackers, who are extremely unlikely to come running at you from several meters away wearing bright yellow shirts.

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by Pyrrho

Good point. Another point to consider is that even if genuine, this power is useless against common attackers, who are extremely unlikely to come running at you from several meters away wearing bright yellow shirts.
Unless of course you're an NFL quarterback...

[LeFevre]

Originally posted by T'ai Chi
I wonder if some YB members or the masters could join the UFC or some other no holds barred challenge and see if they can repel the attackers.

Best thing I have yet heard. I think T'ai Chi has one of the best ways to test their claim.

[T'ai Chi]

Originally posted by LeFevre

Best thing I have yet heard. I think T'ai Chi has one of the best ways to test their claim.

Thank you, thank you! *bows*

[Andonyx]

For what it's worth, I have a theory based on his description in the last commentary that the reason they shot at night with cruddy time-lapse stills is that they are deliberately trying to obscure the use of the tazer gun they fire at the attacker.

That would explain the twitching Randi describes after the attacker's fall.

I'm not sure this works in a crowd setting except that tazer guns often send out bolts of electricity that stun the attacker even before the probes hit the target.


Edited to add:
I see Ffed beat me to it in the Bamboo Video Thread. Oh well.

[JKDChick]

Originally posted by LeFevre


Best thing I have yet heard. I think T'ai Chi has one of the best ways to test their claim.

This challenge has been made to other groups (and a certain individual who not only claims to be a "ninja" [he's caucasian, which makes that impossible] but also a Jedi [he's also apparently a bit looney]).

Always, these groups claim their art is "too deadly". In return, I think it is reasonable to assert that nothing can be called effective till it can be used at full strength against an uncooperative, resisting opponent.

[Colloden]

Originally posted by JKDChick


This challenge has been made to other groups (and a certain individual who not only claims to be a "ninja" [he's caucasian, which makes that impossible] but also a Jedi [he's also apparently a bit looney]).


A Ninja is a practitioner of the art of Ninjutsu, ethnicity has no bearing on such a claim.

[Marc]

Originally posted by JKDChick

Always, these groups claim their art is "too deadly". In return, I think it is reasonable to assert that nothing can be called effective till it can be used at full strength against an uncooperative, resisting opponent.

If it is "too deadly" then how do you practice it? "Ok class, today we practice the 'Grip of Death', the half of the class that survives will move on to the next technique"

[Pakaran]

Originally posted by Colloden


A Ninja is a practitioner of the art of Ninjutsu, ethnicity has no bearing on such a claim.

I thought a Ninja was a member of an ancient Japanese order of assassins. Either that, or a pizza-loving reptile. :roll:

[Colloden]

Originally posted by Pakaran


I thought a Ninja was a member of an ancient Japanese order of assassins. Either that, or a pizza-loving reptile. :roll:
Try this Book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0865680272/ref=sr_aps_books_1_3/202-7993930-9930208) and stop reading daft comics. Tsk, heroes in a half shell indeed...

[Pakaran]

Originally posted by LeFevre


Best thing I have yet heard. I think T'ai Chi has one of the best ways to test their claim.

Sounds good to me. I do wonder whether they'd let them use the electrified darts, cattle prods, trip wires, or whatever the heck they're using though.

If they do have a real claim, I'd find it amusing.

If they don't, I'd still find it amusing. :j2:

[DrMatt]

Originally posted by yellowbamboo
1. Pick someone to come here to do a test.

2. COme for the full moon joining ceremony

3. Meet with Pak serengen for the full moon ceremony. Politely ask him
if he would be willing to give you a demo in two days hence. If yes-
cool if no go to plan B


4. Plan B Take private lessons untilt he sunday class so you can try
to knock down attacker yourself (optional) GO to both the 8AM free
class on sunday nmorning in singaraja and 5pm one sunday in
petitinget.

Ask if you can repel attackers (optional)

BTW- video all this for back home and tell them and pak serengen your
considering inviting him to perth to give classes- this shoudl clench
it cause I know serengen really wants to go to abroad and teach and
hey if it really works you will want him to cvome, no?

Anway- ask the headmaster if you can video a demo of people repelling
attackers.
One of the demos is what I xcall "bull in the ring" where all the
students stand around in a circle with the repeller in the middle and
people charge at the defender at random and try to kill him.

Now there are two bull in the ring scenarios-

a) One is the one where you repel attackers as seen in the video-
b) One is where you hit the guy with all your strength and he suffers
no harm.

So for either or both- you get really mad, angry enough to kill and
charge the
guy with all you got.

If you get knocked on yer ass you know ti works

if you dont- you get to knock the sh** outta someone without any
penalties :-)


Anyway it is worth a shot.

But dont tell anyone *I* put you up to this :-)


All the best,

YBS

Remotely knock down a deaf person wearing a blindfold.

[arcticpenguin]

What an opportunity! Dubya will visit Indonesia. (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,7505576%255E1702,00.html) Maybe Yellow Bamboo could knock him down. You can be sure they wouldn't be pulling any hanky panky on the Secret Service.

[Pakaran]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin
What an opportunity! Dubya will visit Indonesia. (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,7505576%255E1702,00.html) Maybe Yellow Bamboo could knock him down. You can be sure they wouldn't be pulling any hanky panky on the Secret Service.

Now we know what really happened to JFK I guess. :)

[AlienX]

It's dark and poorly shot to hide the fact that its a con.
The yellow bamboo people are unable to adequately demonstrate their "special power" so as far as i'm concerned it's a fake.

You can't make yourself invisible, you can't fly and you can't knock people down at range. Worse still your droning on utter waffle about how unfair the test is etc etc.. well boohoo ;-( - the only way you will ever pass the Randi test is to take the damn thing.

Personally i think people who can be shown to be knowingly win the Randi prize via deception should be treated like any fraudster. Obtaining money by deception is a crime.

AX

[Two Possibilities]

Interesting. Would Pak serengen be willing to undergo a Bull In the Ring test?

We could meet and take out a mpa. We would throw a dart at the map and that would be the location.

We would then drive to the location and as we are driving, we would pick up 12 big huskie guys randomly. We would pay them $50.00 if they can beat Pak up. In fact we would pay them $50.00 if they can touch him. Of course we would have to make sure that Pak didnt have a chance to talk to them and offer them more money.

Then when we get to the location, we soak Pak down with water (this will electrocute him if he is using electricity) and we put him in the middle of the 12 people.

They then take turns trying to hit him.

How is this for a test!

:) the problem is that if he is a fraud then would we be liable when they beat the crap out of him.

[Colloden]

But would anyone care ?

[thaiboxerken]

1. Pick someone to come here to do a test.

Why, when a great venue for you people to show off your superpowers is already available, Pride Japan. Do you have anyone skilled enough to use their powers in a fight?

2. COme for the full moon joining ceremony

For what purpose?

3. Meet with Pak serengen for the full moon ceremony. Politely ask him
if he would be willing to give you a demo in two days hence. If yes-
cool if no go to plan B

Screw being polite, I do not treat criminals with respect.

4. Plan B Take private lessons untilt he sunday class so you can try
to knock down attacker yourself (optional) GO to both the 8AM free
class on sunday nmorning in singaraja and 5pm one sunday in
petitinget.

No, I am not going to waste my money to prove that your superpowers are imagined.


hey if it really works you will want him to cvome, no?

If it really works, why do you people evade tests? Prove it works, have your master win Pride or UFC.


people charge at the defender at random and try to kill him.

BS. It's a staged event.

Now there are two bull in the ring scenarios-

a) One is the one where you repel attackers as seen in the video-
b) One is where you hit the guy with all your strength and he suffers
no harm.

Then you people should have no problem winning a MMA tournament.

So for either or both- you get really mad, angry enough to kill and
charge the
guy with all you got.

Why must someone be angry for you to use your powers? I think I could kick your butts using only 25% of "what I got" and not even get angry.


if you dont- you get to knock the sh** outta someone without any
penalties :-)

Ready to meet someone in the ring where you don't control the environment and have the ability to cheat?


Anyway it is worth a shot.

No, it's not.



You Yellow BS'ers are full of crap. If your powers really worked, you'd be able to win the UFC, Pride or other major martial art fighting events. Yet...... not one of you will ever show up to compete in one, will you?

[Pakaran]

For those who know how to access unreleased commentaries (it involves arithmetic), I'd note that Randi is fairly sure a taser was used. Is this an illegal assault?

[DrMatt]

Originally posted by Pakaran
For those who know how to access unreleased commentaries (it involves arithmetic), I'd note that Randi is fairly sure a taser was used. Is this an illegal assault?

Maybe, but it'd be hard to push in Indonesian court. Frankly, I think it'd be hard to prosecute in any court, gven that a martial arts demonstration was allegedly in progress, and thus there was a chance that the participants would get hurt.

I challenge the leader of Yellow Bamboo to come to Michigan and stand in broad daylight and defend himself against me using his remote-knock-down power. For the record, I have no background in martial arts at all.

[LTC8K6]

How hard is it to obtain a cattle prod? They have a longer reach and are less likely to show a telltale spark.

[Vitnir]

A cattle prod is designed for a big cow/bull and would not be safe to use on humans?

[MemeHacker]

Cattle prods are more painful/annoying while stun guns incapacitate/disorientate.
There are stun guns shaped like cattle prods though (stun batons I guess).

[Pakaran]

Originally posted by MemeHacker
Cattle prods are more painful/annoying while stun guns incapacitate/disorientate.
There are stun guns shaped like cattle prods though (stun batons I guess).

More specifically - a cattle prod uses a low voltage and high current to have a local effect (causing pain), while a stun gun is designed to give a high voltage to have overall effects on the nervous system.

I guess a cattle prod is a variant on licking the terminals of a 9-volt battery (am I the only one who has done this on a dare?)

[BillyJoe]

Originally posted by Pakaran
.....a cattle prod uses a low voltage and high current to have a local effect....while a stun gun is designed to give a high voltage to have overall effects on the nervous system. We are looking at a stun gun then.

[Pakaran]

Originally posted by BillyJoe
We are looking at a stun gun then.

Yep.

[BillyJoe]

I was not asking a question. ;)

[LTC8K6]

I was thinking more like these, which I have read are available in Indonesia.


http://www.segnow.com/ecom/catalog/Section_1/z_force03.gif

[JSFolk]

It's really a shame that nobody had access to the "attacker" immediately after this demonstration because, with apologies to Mr. Randi, a stun gun DOES leave a mark on the body.

When I was in 9th grade the local police came to the school and gave a demonstration/talk to one of our classes. As part of this demonstration, they had about 10 kids hold hands in a circle, with two folks touching the electrodes of a stun gun (one on either side of a break in the circle, natch). The officer then tripped the switch for just a second, and the 50,000 (or so) volts went all the way around the circle and shocked everyone just enough for them to feel it. After the demonstration, I asked the officer if I could hit myself in the arm with it to see what it felt like, and he let me pop my arm a couple of times (while looking at me funny, I might add.) After doing this, there were four small red spots on my arm (one per electrode, two hits) that faded over the course of the day. I can't remember how long they lasted, but I know they were still there at the end of the day. I seem to remember something about "blood rushing away from the site of direct contact and then rushing back" as an explanation, but it's been a lot of years.

Now, these marks were not BRIGHT red, but were very visible. It's shame that nobody checked over the attacker for such marks. I imagine they might be more visible if you were shocked long enough to drop you, but I dunno.

Edited to add...

http://www.google.ca/search?q=stun+gun%2C+marks&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&meta=

Apparently there's a lot of talk about some marks on JonBenet Ramsey's body being made with a stun gun, so there is a surprising amount of information out there. One of those links includes a photo from her autopsy showing the marks. The marks on my skin looked more faint, but (and I don't know how to put this in a non-grisly manner) my skin wasn't deathly pale.

[DangerousBeliefs]

Originally posted by JSFolk
It's really a shame that nobody had access to the "attacker" immediately after this demonstration because, with apologies to Mr. Randi, a stun gun DOES leave a mark on the body.

YellowBamboo will tell you this is a sign of the power of the WOO WOO entering the body.

:rolleyes:

[AlienX]

I thought you only got marks off a stun gun if the electrodes were not in contact with the surface properly which causes shorting across the gap?, also clothing can protect from direct "burns" to the skin from a tazer or stun gun.

I'm more inclined to think it's a tazer gun being used, the type were it shoots out the contacts on the end of a thin wire. This way current can be applied over a longer duration at range. The tazer gun induces minor "fitting" to the victim during application.

If the guy was genuine he would travel to the USA to collect his prize of $1million. I'm stunned (pardon the pun) that this pathetic example is even discussed at all.

This trick isn't even a new one, it's been used for many years and yet not a single example of proper testing with a +ve result.

Constant excuses as to why they can't be tested properly.. which is a tell tale sign there is genuine fraud occuring.

AX

[Luciana]

Bump, because I don't want to keep seeing a troll's name at the forum's first page. :)

[JSFolk]

Alien, when I hit myself with the stun gun, the electrodes were in contact with my skin and it still left these small red dots. I wouldn't call it a "burn", as I couldn't feel anything different about those two spots on my skin or anything. I would imagine that you could get some different marks if the electrodes weren't touching properly, though.

[AlienX]

If there is a small gap from one of the electrodes it will arc across the gap causing burns to the skin. As for JSFolk saying that a stun gun does leave a mark on the body.. well yes it can but this is normally due to prolonged exposure - there can be no mark at all, especially through clothing which distributes the charge over a larger surface area of skin.

Although I do agree there is a good possibility of a mark being made and it's a shame the guy wasn't checked prior and post.

At the end of the day YB are fakes.. and not very good ones either. If groups like this are going to come up with this rubbish I wish they would at least try and be original.

AX