Homeopathic Drugs found in US Drinking Water

[RichardR]

Following recent press reports that prescription drugs have been found in US drinking water, I wondered if they had also tested the drinking water for homeopathic drugs. For the answer, read my latest post on Homeopathy (http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2008/03/homeopathic-dru.html).




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[AgeGap]

Forget the water, check the chemtrails!:eek:

[Empress]

When asked what to do if you suspect your drinking water is contaminated with homeopathic drugs, a leading homeopath responded "whatever you do, don't dilute it, that'll only make things worse".

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[rjh01]

You are right! We do have a major problem on our hands! I am really worried about it! At 30C dilution. Every time I apply logic and remove some of the problem it just get worse! What can I do?!

[devnull]

This is the funniest topic title Ive read in a long time - I literally laughed out loud :D

[Spindrift]

If you use homeopathic drugs how long should one refrain from drinking water in order to not dilute and therefore strengthen the dosage?

[quarky]

Watch out for black market homeopathic drugs.

(they dilute them even more)

[MoonDragn]

Did you guys see some of the drugs that is in that water? I wouldn't be drinking it. Its a good thing I have well water.

[EHocking]

Watch out for black market homeopathic drugs.

(they dilute them even more)
Surely you would "cut" homeopathic drugs by *concentrating* them...

[JoeEllison]

Lmao!!!!!

[JoeTheJuggler]

So things like Oscillococcinum which is a 200C preparation, if you had one molecule of the active ingredient, you'd have to dilute it with more water molecules than there are in the universe.

This got me to thinking. . . wouldn't the existence of an extremely rare substance in fact make the universe into a homeopathic preparation of that substance? Rather than calling it 200C, I'd propose calling it 1U (1 particle per universe).

I'm thinking of some of these unstable, short-lived things near the lower edge of the period table.

What sorts of symptoms might these elements relieve at a 1U dilution?

[Olowkow]

What sorts of symptoms might these elements relieve at a 1U dilution?

Thirst.

[EHocking]

Lmao!!!!!http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/2661462290c6d26b9.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5185)

[The Man]

Did you guys see some of the drugs that is in that water? I wouldn't be drinking it. Its a good thing I have well water.


Have you had your well water tested to a similar degree or at all?

Private wells are found to be contaminated all the time and are generally under less scrutiny then public systems.


http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/healthywater/factsheets/wellwater.htm

http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/case/well_water.html

So, don't go counting your three headed chickens before they have hatched.

I have a well as well and don’t get it tested as often as I probably should. Also I have never had it tested for anything more then basic concerns.

[Dr. Nancy Malik]

Until it is not potentised further there is no change in potency

[Complexity]

Until it is not potentised further there is no change in potency


Woo.

[Mojo]

Until it is not potentised further there is no change in potency


How does not potentising it cause a change in potency? ;)

[Senex]

I hope you don't mind me using this next time I come across a homeopathic believer :D

[ElMondoHummus]

Watch out for black market homeopathic drugs.

(they dilute them even more)

Don't you mean less? ;):D

[quarky]

Don't you mean less? ;):D

I'm not sure. Good question though. Stuff like that confuses me.
Don't homepathic placebos have less sugar then regular placebos?

[RichardR]

Don't you mean less? ;):D
Hum. I feel another article coming along.

[The skepTick]

Excellent topic! I love skeptic humor!:D

[JoeEllison]

Until it is not potentised further there is no change in potency

That's a meaningless statement.

[The skepTick]

BTW, I secretly go into our neighborhood Whole Foods and give the homeopathic remedies a few extra shakes every now and then. Hope no one catches me...

[Father Dagon]

If you use homeopathic drugs how long should one refrain from drinking water in order to not dilute and therefore strengthen the dosage?OH SNAP! DIVIDED BY ZERO!

[Lilith]

BTW, I secretly go into our neighborhood Whole Foods and give the homeopathic remedies a few extra shakes every now and then. Hope no one catches me...

Recall! Recall!

[Father Dagon]

Confession time: How many have taken a leak while swimming in a lake, a river or the sea?

[Tumblehome]

Okay, I'll admit to it. :blush:

Within seconds, my pee was so diluted that it killed all the fish in the ocean.

[Empress]

Confession time: How many have taken a leak while swimming in a lake, a river or the sea?

I don't recall ever swimming in a lake, but I've done it heaps of times in rivers and the ocean. I take Prozac, so once my urine was properly diluted, all the fish started jumping for joy.

[Dr. Nancy Malik]

Drinking water does not dilute the potencyof homeopathic medicine. The potency remains intact

[Complexity]

Drinking water does not dilute the potencyof homeopathic medicine. The potency remains intact


Your first sentence is correct. One can not dilute what is not there.

Your second sentence incorrect. That is me being civil. There are far more accurate words that I'd like to use.

Homeopathy is a fraud.

[Dr. Nancy Malik]

Once a particular potency is prepared, let's say 30C, the potency would change only when it is further diluted, and successed. When consumed, in seconds it gets absorbed by the body, unlike allopathy medicine which first enters into bloodstream. Homeopathic medicines does not entrers bloodstream. That's why a blood test can not detect the medicine in blood. Thaty;s because the instrument (the process of measuring detectable ingredients in blood) available today are not sensitive to that extent. May be scientist in future invents sophisticaTED instruments which can do so.

[Dr. Nancy Malik]

For those who have not been cured by Homoeopathy, it is fraud and will remain so

[Empress]

Once a particular potency is prepared, let's say 30C, the potency would change only when it is further diluted, and successed. When consumed, in seconds it gets absorbed by the body, unlike allopathy medicine which first enters into bloodstream. Homeopathic medicines does not entrers bloodstream. That's why a blood test can not detect the medicine in blood. Thaty;s because the instrument (the process of measuring detectable ingredients in blood) available today are not sensitive to that extent. May be scientist in future invents sophisticaTED instruments which can do so.

The reason it can't be detected in the bloodstream is the same reason it can't be detected in the preparation. Namely, there is nothing to detect.

[Empress]

For those who have not been cured by Homoeopathy, it is fraud and will remain so

One can believe oneself cured by a fraud, but that does not make it any less of a fraud.

[quarky]

Once a particular potency is prepared, let's say 30C, the potency would change only when it is further diluted, and successed. When consumed, in seconds it gets absorbed by the body, unlike allopathy medicine which first enters into bloodstream. Homeopathic medicines does not entrers bloodstream. That's why a blood test can not detect the medicine in blood. Thaty;s because the instrument (the process of measuring detectable ingredients in blood) available today are not sensitive to that extent. May be scientist in future invents sophisticaTED instruments which can do so.

Isn't it the hopes of the patient that is potentiated through this method of treatment, and nothing more? If so, I can comprehend its value, in some cases.

[pomeroo]

This is the funniest topic title Ive read in a long time - I literally laughed out loud :D


I second that! The title is nothing short of brilliant.

[EHocking]

Once a particular potency is prepared, let's say 30C, the potency would change only when it is further diluted, and successed. When consumed, in seconds it gets absorbed by the body, unlike allopathy medicine which first enters into bloodstream. Homeopathic medicines does not entrers bloodstream.If I take a "remedy" for asthma, how is the "remedy" transported to my lungs from my gut if it does not enter my bloodstream?
That's why a blood test can not detect the medicine in blood. Thaty;s because the instrument (the process of measuring detectable ingredients in blood) available today are not sensitive to that extent.QUite a contradiction and obfuscation you have going there.
FIrst you claim that the "remedy" doesn't enter the bloodstream, therefore cannot be detected by a blood test, THEN, you claim that blood testing is not sufficiently sensitive to detect a "remedy".
WHich is it?
May be scientist in future invents sophisticaTED instruments which can do so.
You cannot detect something that is not there - "Homeopathic medicines does not entrers bloods".

So, how IS a homeopathic "medicine" transported around the body?

[Empress]

So, how IS a homeopathic "medicine" transported around the body?

Proper succession gives it the magical ability to appear wherever it needs to be at the moment. Duh.

[BirdyBuddy]

For those who have not been cured by Homoeopathy, it is fraud and will remain so

That to me says it's 100% fraud.

[Mojo]

So, how IS a homeopathic "medicine" transported around the body?


Taxi/horsecarraige (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=35255).

[jli]

unlike allopathy medicine which first enters into bloodstream. Homeopathic medicines does not entrers bloodstream.

Yes they do. "allopathy medicine" as well as homeopathic medicine (water) when ingested is absorbed through the lining of the digestive tract and right into the bloodstream. Some of it might not be absorbed and will thus ahemm.....:eek:

[Deetee]

So, how IS a homeopathic "medicine" transported around the body?
Meridians.

[thaiboxerken]

This topic needs to be watered down.

[EHocking]

Proper succession gives it the magical ability to appear wherever it needs to be at the moment. Duh.So... hitting yourself in the stomach with a bible after taking homeopathic "medicine" would provide an instant cure?

[Mojo]

So... hitting yourself in the stomach with a bible after taking homeopathic "medicine" would provide an instant cure?


No, but if it was a leather-bound Bible it might potentise your stomach contents.