Million Dollar Challenge for conventional Medicos

[Dr. Nancy Malik]

Are you ready for the challenge

http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/$75,000VaccineOffer.htm

[Czarcasm]

What are the exact amounts of each additive to be drunk? Is there a difference between having something injected and having something ingested? Are all of these usually taken at the same time when given as shots, or are they usually spaced out over time? Are all of these actually currently used by doctors?

[yairhol]

I don't see a reason not to drink the mixture if the ingredients stated in the OP link are in fact what's in the injected vaccine given to people everyday while they remain healthy.
Czarcasm asked correctly. Is there a difference between injection and ingestion of a mixture?
Also, the original link does not state the concentration of each ingredient which must be agreed upon in advance to taking the challenge.
Can anyone approve if the ingredients found in the link are the same as those in the vaccine?

[Czarcasm]

No one in his or her right mind would accept an offer like this: " The mixture will include, but will not be limited to, the following ingredients: thimerosal (a mercury derivative), ethylene glycol (antifreeze), phenol (a disinfectant dye), benzethonium chloride (a disinfectant), formaldehyde (a preservative and disinfectant), and aluminum."
"...will not be limited to.."?? That's the same thing as saying "You must to agree to drink an unknown quantity of these substances, plus some other substances that I'm not going to tell you about before you sign the agreement."

[yairhol]

No one in his or her right mind would accept an offer like this: " The mixture will include, but will not be limited to, the following ingredients: thimerosal (a mercury derivative), ethylene glycol (antifreeze), phenol (a disinfectant dye), benzethonium chloride (a disinfectant), formaldehyde (a preservative and disinfectant), and aluminum."
"...will not be limited to.."?? That's the same thing as saying "You must to agree to drink an unknown quantity of these substances, plus some other substances that I'm not going to tell you about before you sign the agreement."

Right you are.
Why doesn't the author state that the mixture will be EXACTLY like the vaccine mixture?
Saying "the mixture will include, but will not be limited to" is like saying "I might put in some cyanide also but you must agree to this beforehand".
Stupid author.

[Czarcasm]

Two problems:
1. This subject does not involve the MDC that is the topic of this forum, and
2. The Title is a lie-the challenge offered in the OP is only for $110,000.

[Zep]

Also, it does not say how much of each mixture is to be ingested. For example, we consume more mercury on a serving of tuna than we do in a single vaccine injection. So will the proposers of this challenge accept a challenger eating a known (large) quantity of tuna as having completed the challenge?

Also, consider plain old sodium chloride. If a small amount is dissolved in a glass of water then drunk, it will hardly be poisonous. So drinking litres of such a mixture is far more likely to lead to complications from over drinking water than could be attributable to sodium chloride.

However if it was a mix of roughly 50:50 to water, it is doubtful that someone could drink more than one small glassful without becoming quite ill.

The point being that preservative solutions in vaccines are both tiny dosages and low concentrations, whereas the challenge is to drink high dosages in high concentrations. So in fact, they are not the same thing at all, ergo it is a very silly and utterly pointless challenge.

[Zep]

Are you ready for the challenge

http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/$75,000VaccineOffer.htmWhat challenge? This is no challenge, it's a bet that this person has made that is entirely silly and bears no relationship to vaccines and preservatives at all.

Also, he's a raving nutter. I take it you have read the rest of his information? You do realise he is only tangentially impinging on reality?

So is this what you, as a serious "doctor", consider a "serious" challenge?

[Dave Rogers]

2. The Title is a lie-the challenge offered in the OP is only for $110,000.

I see it increases by $5,000 every month. To make the challenge more potent, shouldn't it decrease by 99% every month?

Dave

[fuelair]

Are you ready for the challenge

http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/$75,000VaccineOffer.htmYawn!!!!!

[Madalch]

Nancy, if I were to make up a solution in the lab, and tell you that it contained the same ingredients as a homeopathic preparation, and dared you to drink it, would you trust me enough to do so?

[Prometheus]

Why don't any of the millions of people who have already had these substances injected into their bodies--with no ill effects--qualify to receive the money?

[Psiload]

Are you ready for the challenge

http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/$75,000VaccineOffer.htm

Wow! :eek:

That is actually MORE ridiculous than Roger Dodger Coghill's murdered baby challenge:

http://www.cogreslab.co.uk/cog_chall.asp

[Empress]

I see it increases by $5,000 every month. To make the challenge more potent, shouldn't it decrease by 99% every month?

Dave

:dl:

[geni]

Are you ready for the challenge

http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/$75,000VaccineOffer.htm

So no actualy carcinogens. So actualy an improvement on what I deal with day to day.

Hmm phenol was one of the first antiseptics used. I belive it rather helpful in lowering the number of deaths from surgury.


In any case I think this has been adressed over at ratbags:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/gentlebirth.htm

[Rolfe]

Wasn't something like this discussed before? Or is this a different version?

The version I remember had huge problems concerning some sort of prior medical examination, and publicity stipulations. I can't remember the details now, but it was seriously dishonest. It was in fact impossible to take the challenge as laid down in the rules.

Does anyone remember this well enough to find the earlier thread on the subject?

Rolfe.

[Mojo]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=87986

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=87692

[Aepervius]

One of the problem I see is the following : "agrees to drink a body-weight calibrated dose of the poisonous vaccine additives"...

Does this mean they will take the same ppm dosis as in the kid vaccination, then multiply by the weight difference, and ask you to drink it ? I am not sure this is valid For example a 80 ppm dosis of whatever is in this, might be irrelevant and have no ill effect in a child, but a 6400 ppm might pause problem even for an adult... Could this be possible ?

If the lsit of active ingredient is LISTED and AGREED in advance, and it can be checked that the effect of injection vs ingestion are identical, this would be an easy to win challenge...

[Horatius]

Wasn't something like this discussed before? Or is this a different version?

The version I remember had huge problems concerning some sort of prior medical examination, and publicity stipulations. I can't remember the details now, but it was seriously dishonest. It was in fact impossible to take the challenge as laid down in the rules.

Does anyone remember this well enough to find the earlier thread on the subject?

Rolfe.



Yes, there are more than a few problems with this "Challenge". Check out what is only part A of the agreement he requires you to sign here:

http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/ContractPartA.htm

Why would any sensible person agree to such a bogus "challenge"?

Also note that he doesn't give any details as to what's in Part B, but does require you to agree to donate $5000 to his organization if you subsequently drop out of the challenge after getting through the part A requirements.

[Czarcasm]

Are you ready for the challenge

http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/$75,000VaccineOffer.htmDo you mean the "challenge" where you would be required to sign this statement?: http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/ContractPartA.htm
The contract that requires you to give a complete history of your mental health, take several tests, buy books and tour with him to several locations of his choosing, all at your own expense??

[Professor Yaffle]

Doc Nancy is banned, so don't expect a reply.

[Prometheus]

That didn't take very long.