Conspiract Theorists and "Martial Law"

[Thunder]

Question: what is with this insane fascination that conspiracy theorists have with "martial law"??

Go to any internet forum where they frolic, and thats all they seem to talk about.

"Martial law will be declared due to the economy."

"Martial law will be declared due to another terror attack."

"Martial law will be declared if the Mets dont win the World Series".

...so, whats the deal? Whats with this almost pathological preoccupation?

Is there a deeper psychological meaning that we have uncovered yet?

[Bluekush623]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vTOuq4pY10o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W5oKqQmGYHQ&feature=related

[Yalius]

Paranoia and wish fulfillment. If martial law is declared, they get to be the heroes, the ragtag bunch of rebels fighting Emperor Palpatine and the Galactic Empi-- ahem, excuse me, fighting the evil Neocons and the Federal Government and the NWO.

They get to feel important, so that their lives have meaning and aren't just wasted. After all, action movie heroes are just so manly.

And deep down, they know just fine that it won't happen, so they have the chance to talk big but never have to really take any risks.

[Yalius]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vTOuq4pY10o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W5oKqQmGYHQ&feature=related

Are those real? Good grief, if so, that's not only striking a new low, it's hitting bottom and starting to dig. That's just about the most offensive thing I've ever seen from a mainstream source.

[gc051360]

Martial Law is the conspiracy theorist's fantasy.

They get to be Neo from the Matrix, and all us sheeple won't know what hit us.

[fezzic]

Ordinary persecution by the government agencies, like the FBI, would be hard to show, hard to prove, to a disbelieving population. How do you show that the FBI is persecuting the Truth Movement in an attempt to surpress it? That's very hard and takes a long time and by then the FBI has probably picked up the conspiracy theorist and sent s/he to prison or Guantanamo or someplace.

Martial law, though, would be a readily observable and considerable upheaval in how things work. No longer do police need warrants. No habeus corpus. No appeals. Summary court trials. Firing squads or hanging. At least, that's what they want to claim is going to happen for then preventing that from happening makes their struggle all the more noble.

More or less. :)

[LashL]

linked YouTube videos


Please provide your thoughts and analysis on the YouTube videos to which you linked. Thanks.

[Bluekush623]

well if I must..I think its an accurate portrayal of life.Anything can happen to anyone, anytime.

The correlation made however is shocking to see from a mainstream source, if meant to be interpreted that way. But I'd say the United States is living in a blinded, hoo-rah culture as Germany was. Nazi-Germany was also a socialistic country like the United states.

Then to dwell theres the Prescott Bush-Nazi link, George H.W calling for nwo, and George W. Bush saying 2x "This were a dictatorship "it" would be a heck of alot easier, if only i were the dictator". Then theres 9/11 and the Patriot Act. and now theres the talk about real i.d, micro-chips and the NAU. who knows what will happen.

[hurdygurdy]

What does socialistic mean? :confused:

[jhunter1163]

There's no place on earth more capitalistic than the USA.

And, reagrding the OP, I think it's a chance for the woos to play heroes. They can say, "the evil neocons WOULD have declared martial law, but we heroes exposed their nefarious plans!"

And the neocons will (in the woo fantasy) say, "And we would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!"

[Sizzler]

Ordinary persecution by the government agencies, like the FBI, would be hard to show, hard to prove, to a disbelieving population. How do you show that the FBI is persecuting the Truth Movement in an attempt to surpress it? That's very hard and takes a long time and by then the FBI has probably picked up the conspiracy theorist and sent s/he to prison or Guantanamo or someplace.

Martial law, though, would be a readily observable and considerable upheaval in how things work. No longer do police need warrants. No habeus corpus. No appeals. Summary court trials. Firing squads or hanging. At least, that's what they want to claim is going to happen for then preventing that from happening makes their struggle all the more noble.

More or less. :)

Um I'm not American so it isn't any of my business really, but aren't the ones in bold already occurring to some degree?

[MRC_Hans]

What does socialistic mean? :confused:Well, if it's to be applied to Nazi Germany and modern USA, it means 'something a government called itself, for propaganda purposes' and 'something some people call a government, for propaganda purposes', respectively.

It will certainly not mean anything that has any relevance to the political system called 'socialism'.

Hans

[twinstead]

Um I'm not American so it isn't any of my business really, but aren't the ones in bold already occurring to some degree?

I'll cut you some slack since you're not American, but aside from bad cops or judges and the 'falling through the cracks' that happen in ANY nation, the short answer is no.

Christ. It's almost as if some people think we Americans are in the same boat as North Koreans or something.

I have every bit as much freedom as you do.

[Disbelief]

well if I must..I think its an accurate portrayal of life.Anything can happen to anyone, anytime.

The correlation made however is shocking to see from a mainstream source, if meant to be interpreted that way. But I'd say the United States is living in a blinded, hoo-rah culture as Germany was. Nazi-Germany was also a socialistic country like the United states.

Then to dwell theres the Prescott Bush-Nazi link, George H.W calling for nwo, and George W. Bush saying 2x "This were a dictatorship "it" would be a heck of alot easier, if only i were the dictator". Then theres 9/11 and the Patriot Act. and now theres the talk about real i.d, micro-chips and the NAU. who knows what will happen.

Is this the same as when Clinton was going to call for martial law?

http://www.ericbarger.com/Martial_Law_part_1.htm

[Beerina]

Yeah, weren't there all these unmarked, black helicopters all over the place, training UN troops in preparation for an all-out takeover by the UN?

[Corsair 115]

and now theres the talk about real i.d, micro-chips and the NAU. who knows what will happen.I hate to burst your bubble, but the NAU is pure fantasy. If anything, the U.S. is moving towards isolationism and protectionism, not integration and open borders.

[Drudgewire]

Then to dwell theres the Prescott Bush-Nazi link, George H.W calling for nwo, and George W. Bush saying 2x "This were a dictatorship "it" would be a heck of alot easier, if only i were the dictator". Then theres 9/11 and the Patriot Act. and now theres the talk about real i.d, micro-chips and the NAU. who knows what will happen.
:explode

[uk_dave]

'real i.d' ?

As opposed to 'fake i.d'?

[KingMerv00]

well if I must..I think its an accurate portrayal of life.Anything can happen to anyone, anytime.

The correlation made however is shocking to see from a mainstream source, if meant to be interpreted that way. But I'd say the United States is living in a blinded, hoo-rah culture as Germany was. Nazi-Germany was also a socialistic country like the United states.

Then to dwell theres the Prescott Bush-Nazi link, George H.W calling for nwo, and George W. Bush saying 2x "This were a dictatorship "it" would be a heck of alot easier, if only i were the dictator". Then theres 9/11 and the Patriot Act. and now theres the talk about real i.d, micro-chips and the NAU. who knows what will happen.

Woah...Surprise Godwin strike. Well done.

[fezzic]

Um I'm not American so it isn't any of my business really, but aren't the ones in bold already occurring to some degree?

[police not needing warrants]

It has always been true that the police do not need warrants in particular circumstances (such as when they pat down someone for weapons prior to questioning) but still operate in the context of judicial review. The evidence exclusion rule (IANAL) is based on preventing illegally (i.e. an "unreasonable" search) obtained evidence from being used in a prosecution.

Under martial law, the courts are not operating. If they were then its not martial law. Since they aren't operating, there is no way to obtain a warrant in the "normal" manner. The police, if they operate at all, do so under military supervision.

Course, I could be wrong (naturally IMO). :)

[Deus Ex Machina]

Question: what is with this insane fascination that conspiracy theorists have with "martial law"??

Go to any internet forum where they frolic, and thats all they seem to talk about.

"Martial law will be declared due to the economy."

"Martial law will be declared due to another terror attack."

"Martial law will be declared if the Mets dont win the World Series".

...so, whats the deal? Whats with this almost pathological preoccupation?

Is there a deeper psychological meaning that we have uncovered yet?

well yeah, its a buncha lard asses who's closest brush with danger was the little thrill when they exceed the speed limit.

These are people who try to portray themselves as daring or rebellious. If they were not doing this they would be going to Star Trek Conventions dressed as Klingons and acting tough in the toilets.

[Evilgiraffe]

...a socialistic country like the United states.

Bwahahahahahah!

This has already been picked up but I thought it bore repeating. It's almost Stundie-worthy.

[Bluekush623]

Bwahahahahahah!

This has already been picked up but I thought it bore repeating. It's almost Stundie-worthy.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/socialistic

so·cial·is·tic (ssh-lstk)
adj.
Of, advocating, or tending toward socialism.

Adj. 1. socialistic - advocating or following the socialist principles; "socialistic government"
socialist
left - of or belonging to the political or intellectual left
capitalistic, capitalist - favoring or practicing capitalism

thats why we have SOCIAL security and every other government program.

[PhantomWolf]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/socialistic

so·cial·is·tic (ssh-lstk)
adj.
Of, advocating, or tending toward socialism.

Adj. 1. socialistic - advocating or following the socialist principles; "socialistic government"
socialist
left - of or belonging to the political or intellectual left
capitalistic, capitalist - favoring or practicing capitalism

thats why we have SOCIAL security and every other government program.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

The US doesn't have a clue what a social security system is and having is certainly not heading to socialism. Heck WE have a better social security system than most countries (except a few like Denmark and such) and we're nowhere near heading towards socialism either. Bluekush you're a joke, Get out of your basement and go and visit the real world for a bit.

[Jonnyclueless]

The fascination is that such people don't want to take responsibility for their own lives by getting up and doing something with them. But if martial law is inevitable as well as NWO taking over, then no need to go find a job and a career. What would be the point since NWO is taking over? Problem solved. They can then serve a purpose by saying they were the ones that warned everyone.

[eromitlab]

I think that they know full well the nWo and NAU exist only in the fantasies they spread, martial law will not be declared, Bush & Cheney won't cancel the 2008 election or refuse to leave office because of whatever's happening on January 20, 2009. However, they wallpaper over that and scream incessantly about it, acting entirely serious... knowing they can say all these things about how we're already in a police state, the nWo takeover is imminent, tr00thers will be shipped to Gitmo and the elites plan to kill 80% of the world's population, and lure in as many suckers as they can get to buy into that nonsense who won't think that if things are really as totalitarian as they claim it to be, then why haven't they been silenced and shipped off yet. That way, when these big changes don't happen and they could otherwise be told by the sane that they were entirely wrong, they can claim to have stopped it by "getting the word out" and "spreading teh troof" to deflect the patently obvious analysis of the whole thing. Basically, it's what jhunter said... they get the chance to play hero, act like they made a difference, puff up their own ego, fulfill their own delusions of grandeur and continue to delude themselves into thinking they aren't wasting their entire life.

[Bluekush623]

http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

As usual they debunk all the conspiracies.

So i guess all these people are loons and kooks who need to get out the basement.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA http://youtube.com/watch?v=-vda1KRF75M
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JIRK1y52FTQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBw7cjxZ7-A
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0uWScCy5oj8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m4Jn2xCF92Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cxzs46Nxohk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rc2-EM63qzM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kXevDajb2lo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lA17fEgLXFE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ozehGIIWb9M

Business breeds corruption people. Just because these programs are said to be for the people they aren't. We will eventually all merge sometime into a global one world, its inevitable, even if steps such as the NAU dont get put through, something will come along, and its whether or not the people or corporations do it.

[PhantomWolf]

I think that they know full well the nWo and NAU exist only in the fantasies they spread, martial law will not be declared, Bush & Cheney won't cancel the 2008 election or refuse to leave office because of whatever's happening on January 20, 2009. However, they wallpaper over that and scream incessantly about it, acting entirely serious... knowing they can say all these things about how we're already in a police state, the nWo takeover is imminent, tr00thers will be shipped to Gitmo and the elites plan to kill 80% of the world's population, and lure in as many suckers as they can get to buy into that nonsense who won't think that if things are really as totalitarian as they claim it to be, then why haven't they been silenced and shipped off yet. That way, when these big changes don't happen and they could otherwise be told by the sane that they were entirely wrong, they can claim to have stopped it by "getting the word out" and "spreading teh troof" to deflect the patently obvious analysis of the whole thing. Basically, it's what jhunter said... they get the chance to play hero, act like they made a difference, puff up their own ego, fulfill their own delusions of grandeur and continue to delude themselves into thinking they aren't wasting their entire life.

Reminds me of the Simpsons episode, The Computer Wore Menace Shoes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Computer_Wore_Menace_Shoes)

Mr X's webpage (www.mrxswebpage.com)

[PhantomWolf]

Hmmm, anti-capitalisim, anti-business, anti-government...

It almost seems that 9/11 Truthers are the new Communists.

[Alferd_Packer]

The interesting thing that truthers seem to forget about martial law is that the national guard is made up of their neighbors, co-workers, freinds, etc.

Who do they think is going to enforce martial law?

[gnome]

Oh that's easy. Blackwater.

[Jonnyclueless]

So i guess all these people are loons and kooks who need to get out the basement.


Correct. Lou is definitely a kook on this issue.

[JonathanClement]

The youtube links. (Can't post URL's yet.)

I lol'd. IT'S A REMINDED OF THE HOLOCAUST FOR CHRISTS SAKE! The idiot that posted this thinks it's NAU propaganda! Wow! Just wow! XD

[Bluekush623]

I lol'd. IT'S A REMINDED OF THE HOLOCAUST FOR CHRISTS SAKE! The idiot that posted this thinks it's NAU propaganda! Wow! Just wow! XD


who ever said it was NAU propaganda?

[Corsair 115]

who ever said it was NAU propaganda?All I can tell you is that the NAU stuff is nonsense. Anyone who thinks it is real is someone who needs brush up on their Canadian politics.

[JonathanClement]

who ever said it was NAU propaganda?

Maybe read the description. Seriously, what in the blue monkey HELL does this video have to do with the NAU or the NWO? Why is it talking about all that crap in the description.

[Bluekush623]

Maybe read the description. Seriously, what in the blue monkey HELL does this video have to do with the NAU or the NWO? Why is it talking about all that crap in the description.

who in blue monkeys hell said his opinion mattered. MTV created those vids not some loser youtube hack.

[JonathanClement]

who in blue monkeys hell said his opinion mattered. MTV created those vids not some loser youtube hack.

I know, but point is, why is he talking about this stuff in the description box?

[Travis]

What scares me is that living in a fairly disaster prone place (my house has almost burnt down from wildfires three times) there will be a time when Martial Law might be necessary and with these paranoid freaks thinking it's the start of genocide they might very well start shooting up people who are only trying to help get things back to normal. The government doesn't scare me nearly as much as some cospiranoid with a full weapons arsenal who thinks the Reptillian Jewish Shapeshifting Illuminati have sent troops to exterminate the 80%.

[tsig]

http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

As usual they debunk all the conspiracies.

So i guess all these people are loons and kooks who need to get out the basement.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA http://youtube.com/watch?v=-vda1KRF75M
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JIRK1y52FTQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBw7cjxZ7-A
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0uWScCy5oj8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m4Jn2xCF92Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cxzs46Nxohk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rc2-EM63qzM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kXevDajb2lo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lA17fEgLXFE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ozehGIIWb9M

Business breeds corruption people. Just because these programs are said to be for the people they aren't. We will eventually all merge sometime into a global one world, its inevitable, even if steps such as the NAU dont get put through, something will come along, and its whether or not the people or corporations do it.

And when you least expect it the NWO kitty will rub aginst you.