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billiefan2000
19th March 2008, 10:53 AM
Larry Huch and Paula White Denies Jesus as the Only Begotten Son of God

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=506


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0zkZ31JSI

has the youtube video of this and this is also mentioned at

http://www.alittleleaven.com/2008/03/paula-whites-la.html

and at:



http://christianresearchnetwork.com/?p=4747

PrincessIneffabelle
19th March 2008, 11:05 AM
Splitters!!

billiefan2000
19th March 2008, 11:06 AM
i wonder BTW if TBN will fire them since they claim to be a christian tv network

and that folks who run TBN "believes" that Jesus is the son of God

KingMerv00
19th March 2008, 11:13 AM
Check out one of the comments from your second link.


If they weren't serious I would say 'what on earth were these people smoking?'.

They appear to be smoking something that makes the world LESS psychedelic.

madurobob
19th March 2008, 11:17 AM
Doesn't sound so bad to me - they simply are saying that jesus was the first, but opened the door for everyone so that all christians are/can be the children of god.

Thats no more crazy than "original sin"

ETA: but what caught my attention was their repeated reference to "the product" and that everyone needed to hurry up and call to buy "the product". Just a quieter, more insidious version of Billy Mays!

slingblade
19th March 2008, 12:18 PM
It's Prosperity Proselytizing. I first heard it at a church that joined TBN after I left it (in disgust), and which preached it pretty hard. It goes like this:

God is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, right?

And you, being a faithful Christian, are a Child of God, right?

Kings are prosperous people, right? Have you ever heard of a poor king, an impoverished king? Of course not!

And who ever heard of a king with poor, impoverished children? Doesn't happen. The king's children share in all his wealth, all his prosperity. In fact, the king wants his kids to be rich, and share his wealth.

So how much more would the King of All Kings want you, his Children, to share in his wealth, his prosperity? All you have to do is be faithful and make your gifts to God. Share your wealth, such as it is, with the Lord, and he will bless it, magnify it, and return it to you:

"Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure-- pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return." --New American Standard Bible

Now, are you going to be stingy with God, and with the money he's already given to you? Or are you going to show your faith in God by returning to him a portion of his gifts, so that he can bless you and magnify them for you, to his greater glory?

GIVE! GIVE NOW!


...and pardon me a moment, brothers and sisters...I have to send the deacon out to start my new Mercedes, because it's cold outside and the motor has to warm up. Then, my driver will take me and my lovely wife to our big house in the hills, where we'll sit in the hot tub and then dry off with chinchilla towels, just before we sit down to a fine steak dinner, wheee! You can tell we're good Christians: we're filthy rich!!


ETA: I would be willing to bet that these two will be censured by Pat or TBN for this only if it fails to bring in a few more truckloads of money, or makes any of the current truckloads disappear. If it brings in money, they'll find some way to either accept it or spin it (and I don't honestly believe anyone in that collective ever says anything on the air that Pat hasn't pre-approved).

Kopji
19th March 2008, 05:35 PM
From their auditors
http://www.paulawhite.org/images/Documents/auditfinancials.pdf

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/106147e1b042e5143.jpg

Will be interesting to see what kind of faith based giving is going to be needed to dig them out of that debt balloon payment in 2009, 2010.

Kopji
19th March 2008, 05:38 PM
The other 'heretic-who-should-be-burned' is Larry Huch. He seemed to be doing most of the talking.

http://www.larryhuchministries.com/

Kopji
19th March 2008, 08:32 PM
And my my my. Larry Huch got his start right here in lil ol Flagstaff Arizona. Fresh off leading a lifetime of drugs and advanced crime, and then he found the blessings that come from leading people to Jesus. Hallelujah.

What amazes me about Larry is how little I could find about him on the Internet that did not seem to be written by himself r his church.

He has some ex followers who really dislike him but they are pretty quiet (later).

After 14 years in Portland OR running a church called 'New Beginnings', he pulled the plug and moved to Dallas Texas. Next thing you know ol larry's a millionare, kinfolk said - Larry move away from there!...

In his own organization's words:

http://www.newbeginnings.org/about/history.cfm

In 1989 the Lord called them to Portland, Oregon. With a passion for souls and a heart for the lost, Pastors Larry and Tiz led a handful of believers, and were blessed over the fifteen years they served there to see their church grow to a multi-ethnic, culturally diverse congregation of several thousand members!

Though their life and ministry were settled in Portland, in 2004 they once again felt the gentle prodding of the Holy Spirit. The Lord was calling them to Dallas, Texas and once again, they were faithful to His call. They relocated their lives and family, and began an new and thrilling work in November, 2004 – DFW New Beginnings!

After prayerful consideration, they felt the Lord lead them to release the Portland church to their staff there. It was a bittersweet time, but as always, God was more than faithful!...


Oh but wait a minute... What's that website? Why, he left the church in Oregon and took their last can of Who-hash. - their domain name. They did not even own their doman name and had to adopt newbeginninglive.com.

See - back in 1999 Oregon was newbeginnings.org and now they are newbeginngslive.com

http://www.ministrytodaymag.com/display.php?id=992

For more information on New Beginnings Christian Center or the annual World Leadership Conference for pastors, contact Larry Huch Ministries, P.O. Box 66700, Portland, Oregon, 97290; call (503) 256-6050; or log on to www.newbeginnings.org.

That site has quite an illuminating article on the church back then. I'm not sure what I'd think if my minister spend all my tithe money wining and dining all those pastors, but they must be really nice and caring people.

Here's a sample of an ex member rant:

...Legacy for Generations fundraiser. I remember promises of a holographic image of Moses, greeting people at the front door, waters that parted as you "crossed the red sea, a prayer garden that would be open 24 hours a day. I also remember some pretty scathing sermons disgracing anyone who dared not to pay their tithe. Or how about the "toilet paper isn't free" thing we heard for so many years? What about the 4 million dollars that was pledged to the new building, that he took and invested in the stock market, he lost all that money, and having the audacity (and i was there this wednesday night) he actually admitted that he invested and lost the 4 million dollars and that it was against the law for him to do it, and asked for as many as can do it to give 1000.00 to get the money back in the right account " Because I don't wan't to go to jail" was his reason. What about the board of directors that he replaced, or all the people that have been run off because they voiced their disagreement with him over his use of the pledge money? "Give until it hurts" was a common thing for him to preach on.
http://www.rateitall.com/i-57819-larry-huch.aspx

Now don't that have the ring of truth to it? I'm sorta interested in all that. Too bad nobody in the Christan churches seem to be. Maybe it is because he brought in so many pastors for all expense paid free seminars. Idle speculation.

This forward looking statement from the 'new' Oregon website has not changed as of 2008. Something really fell down there.

Now, more than 16 years after that first tiny group met, thousands of people have found a new life in Jesus Christ. And those initial humble beginnings have led us to be a church to the nations. As the summer of 2006 approaches New Beginnings will expand into a new 60,000 sq. ft. facility built on 24 acres in Gresham, Oregon.
http://www.newbeginningslive.com/about/history.htm

New Beginnings in Oregon has obviously not expanded, and Larry has left them behind for new fields.

billiefan2000
20th March 2008, 08:24 AM
The other 'heretic-who-should-be-burned' is Larry Huch. He seemed to be doing most of the talking.

http://www.larryhuchministries.com/


Larry Huch is a TBN mouthpiece


BTW like I said at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0zkZ31JSI



I said (quoting myself)


ironic that Huch says they (soliders 2000 years ago) are mocking Jesus when they (White and Huch)

are mocking Jesus for financial gain aka the prosperity gospel garbage

joobz
20th March 2008, 09:01 AM
From their auditors
http://www.paulawhite.org/images/Documents/auditfinancials.pdf

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/106147e1b042e5143.jpg

Will be interesting to see what kind of faith based giving is going to be needed to dig them out of that debt balloon payment in 2009, 2010.
Do they preach that the world is ending 12/31/2008?

billiefan2000
20th March 2008, 09:33 AM
Do they preach that the world is ending 12/31/2008?

I dont know

but Jack Van Impe says the world will end on December 21 2012

bokonon
20th March 2008, 09:50 AM
I think 12/20/2012 is more likely. See how much more significant it looks?

Zygar
20th March 2008, 10:20 AM
I think 12/20/2012 is more likely. See how much more significant it looks?

Especially when written in European format: 20/12/2012

billiefan2000
20th March 2008, 10:47 AM
I think 12/20/2012 is more likely. See how much more significant it looks?

yes I see but I think it is more significant the way Zygar wrote it

Kopji
20th March 2008, 02:49 PM
Sheesh, I don't see how Paula's company is going to make it to 2012. It looks like the balloon debt is going to come home to roost by 2009. Give the congregation a year to act all confused, surprised, and hurt - and then move on to new pastures of ministry.

In 2010 she could just leave town and start up a new shop in hey, maybe Portland Oregon. :|

The 'family curse' Cd's make Larry particularly noxious. He has a high creepiness factor without saying a word.

He took his congregation's missionary fund money and used it to sponsor yearly pastor retreats for 800 down on their luck pastors. Maybe I'm too distant in my religious upbringin' to ever think this is normal, but Christians seem really cool with it.

We'd a called this priestcraft.
Good luck finding anyone willing to speak against this guy, he already owns most of them.

UnrepentantSinner
21st March 2008, 02:31 AM
Hi billiefan! Long time no see. Don't be such a stranger dude, your threads are a hoot!

DOC
22nd March 2008, 02:45 AM
The Title of your thread "2 TBN Preachers claim Jesus Christ isn't the son of God" is a false statement. Nowhere do they say that.

DOC
22nd March 2008, 03:09 AM
Larry Huch and Paula White Denies Jesus as the Only Begotten Son of God

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=506


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S0zkZ31JSI

When they say Jesus is not the only Begotten Son of God they are just repeating what Jesus basically said Himself when He said in Mark; 3:35

Mark 3:35 -- "For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother."

If Jesus is the Son of God and you do the will of God then Jesus is basically saying you are also a son or daughter of God because you are my brother and sister.

_____

Paul the Apostle also explains this in Romans Chapter 8:

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Peter Soderqvist
26th March 2008, 12:15 AM
Is Jesus the son of God?
He is not made from a sperm from God, so for the sake of consistency; he is no more son of God than the Holy Spirit is!

Peter Soderqvist
26th March 2008, 01:10 AM
Soderqvist1: The Nicene Creed is inconsistent!


We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made;
http://www.creeds.net/ancient/nicene.htm



Soderqvist1: They say they believe in one god the father, but the son is being of the same substance, so they should believe in two gods, but if they believe in two gods, they cannot be of the same substance!

Zep
26th March 2008, 01:32 AM
Meh. It was all translated from a language that had only 5 consonants and no vowels or spaces. So the original could have been assembly instructions for a model siege machine for all we know! ;)

Peter Soderqvist
26th March 2008, 02:22 AM
The Belief in Christ should read something like this!


We Believe that the cosmic Jewish Zombie Jesus can make you live forever if you through Transubstantiation eat his flesh and drink his blood, and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Kopji
3rd April 2008, 06:00 PM
The Whites are in the news again:
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/02/853424.aspx

This is too funny:

BATES' ATTORNEY: "You never had a conversation on the phone with Mr. Bates where you told him, I'm buying the airplane?"

RANDY WHITE: "Correct."

BATES' ATTORNEY: "You never were on the phone with Mr. Bates at all, to your recollection?"

RANDY WHITE: "Correct."

Then, a few moments later:

BATES: "So would it be fair to say that if, in fact, you did, say, have a [sic] conversations with Mr. Bates on the phone and did say those words to Mr. Bates, you're a liar?"

RANDY WHITE: "I don't lie."

At the time of the deposition, Bates says, Randy White was unaware that Bates had recorded his telephone calls with White regarding the plane deal...

Hell hath no fury like a jet deal spurned.

The stuff on Jesus not being the only begotten son of god is very 1970s'. There was a group in Chicago promoting much the same stuff. I think the thing I hate most about modern religion is its unique ability to sell the old as new.