Wolverine vs Dr. Sprinkle

[LeFevre]

Last night Wolverine and I were in a Paltalk radio room, Wake Up USA - A UFO Study. The guest was Dr. Leo Sprinkle, here is a link to Dr. Sprinkle's bio. (http://www.emergenceconference.com/sprinkle.html)


Stardust Promotions archive their weekly radio show, that can be found here. (http://www.stardustent.com/wakeupusa.htm)

If you would like to listen to the radio show cast last night, on the left of that link is a file WakeupUSA100103. It wouldn't let me save as, but it downloaded to my temp file.

Wolverine found the bio of Dr. Sprinkle, the site of Stardust Promotions, he is on top of everything!

If you want to skip to where Wolverine asks a great question of Dr. Sprinkle, skip ahead to a bit before 1:22:50.

Wolverine's question is a great one, and the answer Dr. Sprinkle gives doesn't really address Wolv's question. An interesting listen anyway.

It may take a bit of time to hear Wolverine, but his question followed up by Dr. Sprinkle's comments . . . It is a good listen.

GO WOLVERINE!!! PWNED!!!!

[Wolverine]

Transcript:

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Me: Dr Sprinkle, earlier in the program when you were describing how some of your viewpoints weren't very well recieved by others in academic circles, in response to the criticisms, you introduced the question "Is this the way science is supposed to work?" Sound scientific methodology, as I'm sure you're aware, attempts to minimize the influence of bias or prejudice in the experimenter when testing a theory or hypothesis. Since, over the course of tonight's program, you've openly described personal biases and speculations in your approach to this research, how can your work ultimately yield empirical data when it seemingly disregards crucial elements of the scientific method of inquiry?

Sprinkle: Thank you very much for your question.

Hickman: Wow...(laughs)

Sprinkle: In my opinion, uh. you are using an outdated, uh, model of science. It used to be thought that the experimenter should be separate from the experiment. Nowadays, the physicists, uh, are saying that, uh, the observer, uh, influences the uh, the behavior of the photon... uh, whether it's particle or wave is partly based upon the consciousness of the physicist. And so most, uh, psychologists tend to follow biologists, most biologists tend to follow, uh, physicists, and so, uh, I'm claiming (clears throat), and if you are interested, uh, there's a man named Rosenthal, Robert Rosenthal, he's now at Riverside, uh, University of California, Riverside, he used to be at Harvard, and I knew him when he was at the University of North Dakota back in the 60s. He's written many books, uh, including one called, uh Exp.. the uh ... let's see ... it's about experimenter bias, and it's about uh, I think it's called Exper... Experimenter and... uh the Laboratory, the Laboratory and the Experiment, something like that, Appleton/Croft/Century 1966 book. And uh, (clears throat) and he found that EVERY OBSERVER, EVERY EXPERIMENTER IS BIASED. LISTEN TO ME SIR, EVERY EXPERIMENTER IS BIASED. And the best way to deal with it is to be AWARE of one's bias. If one is aware of one's bias then one can help safeguard against... uh, finding, uh, data that are inappropriate or that are a distortion of, what, uh is going on. But I'm trying to be aware of my bias, (clears throat), and I'm claiming that your bias is, uh, that you believe the experimenter is separate from the experiment, and in my opinion, the experimenter cannot be separate because ESP studies show there is still a connection. So if we are aware of our bias, then we can help ourselves by looking through our lens, just like I have glasses, and uh, they... they're not my natural eyesight but my natural eyesight is not as good as if I have my spectacles, so if I know that my bias is, I can look at things through that bias and see if that's the way other people are looking at it. And uh...

Hickman: My question to...

Sprinkle: Yeah, go ahead...

Hickman: ... to scientists is "how can we apply the scientific method to UFOs that pop in and out of the sky?"

Sprinkle: (Laughs) That's a beautiful question, and the only way we can do it, in my opinion, is to get acquainted with who's popping in and out of the skies.

Hickman: (Laughs)

Sprinkle: (Laughs)
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pwned! =)

[c0rbin]

Uh, what a, uh (clears throat), wack-job (Laughs).

[Wolverine]

:D

[Starrman]

I'm sorry, I can't resist.


Mmmmm.... Sprinkles.

[Wolverine]

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[Fidelio]

You rule dude...my only regret is that I was not there to hear it live.
:golf:
:hit:

[LeFevre]

Thanks for the transcript Wolverine, that had to take a bit of time to do.

[Wolverine]

Originally posted by LeFevre
Thanks for the transcript Wolverine, that had to take a bit of time to do.

It didn't take long at all... 20% of it consisted of "uh"... ;)

[LeFevre]

Everyone should set that pic as their wallpaper.

[Cynical]

LeFevre:


WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING IN YOUR AVATAR?!?!? I DEMAND TO KNOW RIGHT NOW! SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES IF YOU DO NOT TELL ME!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Wolverine]

Originally posted by Cynical
LeFevre:
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING IN YOUR AVATAR?!?!? I DEMAND TO KNOW RIGHT NOW! SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES IF YOU DO NOT TELL ME!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

How dare you pollute my pwnage with your n00bage. Go troll elsewhere.

[Cynical]

LOL, Wolverine. I'm not trolling. I'm simply waiting for LeFevre to answer my question. ;)

[Wolverine]

:rolleyes: To reiterate, go troll elsewhere.

[Jeff Corey]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wolverine
Sprinkle: (according Rosenthal) EVERY OBSERVER, EVERY EXPERIMENTER IS BIASED. LISTEN TO ME SIR, EVERY EXPERIMENTER IS BIASED.

So according to Rosenthat every experimenter, including himslf, is biased. So the original experiments demonstrating the Rosenthal effect may have been confounded by the Rosenthal Effect.
My head hurts.

[Wolverine]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
So according to Rosenthat every experimenter, including himslf, is biased. So the original experiments demonstrating the Rosenthal effect may have been confounded by the Rosenthal Effect.
My head hurts.

:D :D :D

[LeFevre]

Originally posted by Jeff Corey
So according to Rosenthat every experimenter, including himslf, is biased. So the original experiments demonstrating the Rosenthal effect may have been confounded by the Rosenthal Effect.
My head hurts. [/B]

But Der Sprinkler is using a NEW science, not the outdated science.

[Librarian]

Dr Sprinkles...*Smirk* :roll:

Aliens + wankity wank wank= Dr. Sprinkle's "answer".

[NoZed Avenger]

Ok. I have put off asking, but it needs to be cleared up to answer the original match-up:

Wolverine's got like, claws and super healing and stuff.

What exactly is "Dr. Sprinkle"'s mutant power? The mind boggles.


N/A

[Librarian]

Originally posted by NoZed Avenger

What exactly is "Dr. Sprinkle"'s mutant power? The mind boggles.


N/A

Wankity Wank Wanking. And stretching logic into any and all shapes to fit any dangerous situation involving copious amounts of logic! Dun dun duuuun! :eek:

[Wyvern]

Oh no . . .

He's counseling college students. :nope:

Also, his wife is described as his sexual plaything on his bio. :mad:

[Jeff Corey]

Originally posted by LeFevre


But Der Sprinkler is using a NEW science, not the outdated science.
He musta went to NEW Science High, not the New Shul for Socialist Research.
Along with Georgie Tyrebyter,

[Cynical]

Crowunit, I don't appreciate you misquoting me over at JE in the "Bush" thread. If you must quote me, please don't twist my words or meaning.

Go ahead and pretend that you have me on ignore - you and LeFevre both - but I know you are reading this.

Remember, if you must quote me, please copy my posts directly.

[Iamme]

Jeff and Cynical sitting in a tree, K-I-...oh, never mind! (inside joke from other forum)

Is that spiel from Dr. Sprinkle, for rea....er, is even Dr. SPRINKLE a real person? Is this for real? A kindeegart\ner could express himself better. And I too now have a headache.:eek:

[Cynical]

You have sealed your fate, IAMME. Jeff Corey will never speak to you or acknowledge you again. He hates my guts, and the guts of anyone who mentions my name.:rolleyes:

[Iamme]

Cynical---Oh yes he will.:wink8: How's it in NC today? Have a nice day. I heard the JE board is down?

[Wolverine]

STILL pwn3d!

[LeFevre]

You made him sprinkle himself

[Yahweh]

You kids cant enjoy this "OWNED!" talk until you hear it live on PalTalk, pure gold.

[LeFevre]

HAHAHAHA :D

[LeFevre]

I am bumping this up cause I played Wolverin's bit on paltalk. SMEGTASTIC!!

[Batman Jr.]

Originally posted by NoZed Avenger

Ok. I have put off asking, but it needs to be cleared up to answer the original match-up:

Wolverine's got like, claws and super healing and stuff.

What exactly is "Dr. Sprinkle"'s mutant power? The mind boggles.


N/A

According to the biography LeFevre links to above, Dr. Sprinkle has "natural metaphysical gifts."

[Toastrider]

It almost looks like Sprinkle's trying to use the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle to excuse his problems with experiments.

For those I've just confused, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle states: The more precisely the position [of a particle] is determined, the less precisely the momentum [of a particle] is known in this instant, and vice versa.

(additions in [] are mine for clarity).

In essence, the observer affects the observed in quantum physics and mechanics. It's a fascinating concept, really. A shame this clot's trying to borrow it.

--Toasty

[Wolverine]

Hoo boy. Sprinkle was this past Wednesday's guest on Paltalk's "radio show" Wake Up USA: A UFO Study, however I didn't have the patience to listen.

Joe Montaldo is the program's new host, and he's quite a piece of work. He's a construction worker who claims to have spent some $300,000 personally, investigating alleged UFO sightings and alien abductions. His website (http://www.icar1.com/) is nothing less than awful, and if you ever get bored, or have some time to kill, you could waste several hours playing "spot the logical fallacies" therein.

I particularly like this page (http://www.icar1.com/Interviews.html) about "orbs", and the site's inclusion of the Boylan questionnaire (http://www.icar1.com/Boylan_Questionnaire.html), which may help you discover you're a "star child".

How mindbogglingly scientific. :rolleyes:

[JimTheBrit]

Hey Wolv, good to know you're still around. I was getting a little worried there - you haven't posted on the forum for ages and I ain't seen you on PT recently, either.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

EVERY OBSERVER, EVERY EXPERIMENTER IS BIASED. LISTEN TO ME SIR, EVERY EXPERIMENTER IS BIASED. And the best way to deal with it is to be AWARE of one's bias. If one is aware of one's bias then one can help safeguard against... uh, finding, uh, data that are inappropriate or that are a distortion of, what, uh is going on.
So what methodology does the New Science use to help safeguard against experimenter bias? I presume it's a new, improved version of the safeguards used by the discredited Old Science.

~~ Paul

[Mushiwulf]

Originally posted by JimTheBrit
Hey Wolv, good to know you're still around. I was getting a little worried there - you haven't posted on the forum for ages and I ain't seen you on PT recently, either.

He spends all his time at the BABB these days. He's a good guy to have around.