I had a dream/vision last night about Randi and.. could it be true???

[DRBUZZ0]

Okay, I need to share something, because I had a very vivid dream last night and I don't know if it's true or not, but if it turns out the information is true then OMG! I am psychic.

Here is my dream:

I was in Florida and I went to James Randi's home. Like his private residence where he lives. I went there because I was driving by and I saw him outside and I really really really needed to use the bathroom and I could not find anywhere else. So I said "hey Randi. Is this where you live? Can I please use your restroom"

and he said sure and I went in to use his restroom.

Okay, here's the part that is going to be verifiable:

When I went into Randi's powder room, he had a television in there across from the sink. No, it wasn't hooked up for viewing the television, but it was being used as a table. He had stuff on it. I don't remember what, but it was like shampoo and toothpaste and other such things. It was a big wooden television that was really old. it wasn't odd to use as a table because it was so substantial and it had a lot of wood carvings and stuff. This was the kind of style of the era, where television sets were large and had a small screen and a lot of stained wood like cabinet radios.

So I looked at it and I realized it was really really old. It was like 1947 or something. It was an RCA and it was like one of the first production console televisions after the second world war. It was akin to this:

http://depletedcranium.com/rcatv.jpg

Only I don't think it had doors on the front, but it was the kind of old television that might not be too odd to use as a table because it's kinda nice looking with stained wood and everything.


So when I finished using his bathroom, I asked Randi about it and he said "Oh yes, that's very a very old TV. It was one of the first production ones sold to the public." or something like that.

So I said to him "Wow. It must be worth a lot"

And he said. "You know I've been meaning to have it appraised for a while, but I'd imagine it might be."

So then I said "does it work"

and he said he hadn't tried in a very long time and he said "I wonder if it does." and then offered to get an extension cord and plug it in. So it was plugged in and it powered up and the screen lit up but no matter how much messing with the knobs there was no reception. not even static just a blank but lit-up screen.

So I said to Randi that i bet some of the vacuum tubes in the tuner are shot and that I knew someone who restored old electronics for a hobby and Randi told me to let him know because he'd be interested to find out what it is worth and if it could be fixed to work.


So now is the big question: Does James Randi have a big wooden console television in his powder room at his home?

If he does I think I have a gift for clairvoyance. If it powers up but gets no reception that is even more proof.


(yes, I am serious I really had this dream)

[godofpie]

Are you sure it is not the effects of sleeping over a sewage filled basement? What if it turns out you are right, you are clairvoyant, but the only way it works is if you've been mucking around in sewage all day? Would it be worth the price of having to sit in excrement to have your visions? I guess everything has its price. Good luck? kind of a double edged sword.

[sgf8]

Whenever I have those bathroom dreams it means that I really have to go to the bathroom. When you woke up was the bed wet?

Someone ask Jeff Wagg what's in Randi's home. Wait, do you mean that this TV was in his bathroom?

Susan

[DRBUZZ0]

Whenever I have those bathroom dreams it means that I really have to go to the bathroom. When you woke up was the bed wet?

Someone ask Jeff Wagg what's in Randi's home. Wait, do you mean that this TV was in his bathroom?

Yes the television was in the bathroom. As I mentioned it was being used as a table. I don't know why it was in the bathroom but the bathroom had room for it so..

No I didn't wet the bed. Actually I don't remember there being urination in the dream, that seems to just have been the plot device which lead to me being in Randi's bathroom where he had the antique television.

[buzz lightyear]

Okay, I need to share something, because I had a very vivid dream last night and I don't know if it's true or not, but if it turns out the information is true then OMG! I am psychic.


If he does I think I have a gift for clairvoyance. If it powers up but gets no reception that is even more proof.


(yes, I am serious I really had this dream)

It is interesting how little interest your "dream" and your possible "psychic" ability aroused DRBUZZO.
I would have thought the possibility of one of their own becoming a "woo" convert by the content of a simple dream, somewhat threatening to the masses. But it seems that this is not the case.

In reality this type of event happens to many people, giving them the spark to look further with a more accepting attitude.

The interesting part for me is that you could entertain the possibility of things not being all we believe them to be, on the content of a dream.
This is even more compounded when the fact that you probably couldn't repeat the "dream" under the "controlled" situation required by JREF million dollar challenge.
So even if every aspect of your dream was true, you still would be a "crank" woo with an ability that is ******** because it doesnt pass the "test".

Interesting...............

Masked profanity is not allowed in the public sections.

[Ron_Tomkins]

Dude, that is the most awesome dream I've heard in a long time. It's so coherent. I could have sworn you're just making it all up, but lets just say I believe in you.

You should write Randi about the dream.

If you do, and he replies, let us know what he said.



PS: You're not psychic.:D

[sgf8]

I'm beginning to believe that Randi has not responded to this dream because he knows that you are correct. You didn't fill out the challenge paperwork before hand, so he has an out.

Get your media and paperwork in tonight. Just in case you have some more bathroom dreams. Maybe that is your ability.

You can see the fixtures in people's bathrooms

or

You can see older non-working TV's

or

You can see into Randi's house

Dream again tonight and say your magic chackra words before nite nite and concentrate.

I'll look forward to your application on the challenge blog soon.

I believe in you

Susan

[Gr8wight]

I'm beginning to believe that Randi has not responded to this dream because he knows that you are correct. You didn't fill out the challenge paperwork before hand, so he has an out.

Get your media and paperwork in tonight. Just in case you have some more bathroom dreams. Maybe that is your ability.

You can see the fixtures in people's bathrooms

or

You can see older non-working TV's

or

You can see into Randi's house

Dream again tonight and say your magic chackra words before nite nite and concentrate.

I'll look forward to your application on the challenge blog soon.

I believe in you

Susan

...or, Randi doesn't read the forums. Unlike most of us, the man has a life. ;)


Dr. Buzzo,
Send Randi an email and ask him.

[schlitt]

It is interesting how little interest your "dream" and your possible "psychic" ability aroused DRBUZZO.


The ability to dream qualifies as "possible psychic ablity"? :rolleyes:


In reality this type of event happens to many people, giving them the spark to look further with a more accepting attitude.


Yes, sometimes people coincidentally have dreams which correlate to future events, and these are the ones they remember and are amazed by when encountering the similar future events. The other 99% of their dreams do not happen to have a relation to future encountered events are never thought upon.

If you have evidence that dreams can produce predictions at a better than coincidence level, go ahead and present it.

At the risk of looking unjustly presumptuous here, i would guess that DRBUZZ pays little credence to his assertion that this vivid dream could have been a psychic indicator of reality. But in the interest of being skeptical and not ruling anything out, such a verifiable peice of information, from such a vivid dream is a great oppurtunity for testing a common woo claim that is already known to be improbable.

[sgf8]

Okay, I need to share something, because I had a very vivid dream last night and I don't know if it's true or not, but if it turns out the information is true then OMG! I am psychic.Okay Buzz and lurkers

I think it is pretty clear that Dr. Buzzo is joking! Correct me if I'm wrong please, but he is just kidding about being psychic. My responses were also along the same lines, at no time do I really think that having a dream (that has not even been found to be true) is scientific.

You can't separate science from testing. You can't test one dream.

Susan

[Pato2747]

Well, sometimes my dreams came true, in part. But that doesn't mean that I'm a psychic.

As I say, if you give them time, coincidences happen.

[fuelair]

DrBuzzo Has joined the Choir Celestial.

[buzz lightyear]

Well, sometimes my dreams came true, in part. But that doesn't mean that I'm a psychic.

As I say, if you give them time, coincidences happen.

Sorry Pato2747 , like everyone else on this planet you have abilities that fit into the category of "psychic".

But a better term for this ability would be "misunderstood" or better even "not understood".
You can stick your head in the sand, with the rest of the "flat earth society" and hope it will all go away, or you can become a little more "scientific" and learn to understand your dreams.

A dream diary is a good place to start.

[sgf8]

Wow! Never thought I would see the day when the JREF was associated with the Flat Earth Society.

Susan

[buzz lightyear]

Wow! Never thought I would see the day when the JREF was associated with the Flat Earth Society.

Susan

Oh yes Susan, JREF and the Flat earth society have a lot in common.

The flat earth society are a bunch of "loons" who band together and back slap each other as they go about encouraging their ridiculous beliefs.
They believe that the earth is flat based on some crazy notions that they have constructed.

The JREF does the same back slapping and encouragement.
The only difference is that their crazy belief is that if you cant apply the principles of the beloved "million dollar challenge" to a subject then it doesnt exist.

Both have their heads well and truly in the sand.

A lot in common, wouldn't you say?

[arthwollipot]

The JREF does the same back slapping and encouragement.
The only difference is that their crazy belief is that if you cant apply the principles of the beloved "million dollar challenge" to a subject then it doesnt exist.Eh?

[quarky]

This dream has given me an idea.
I'd like to somehow use an old television as a toilet seat or a urinal.
It would have to be modified a lot.

Keep those dreams coming!

[sgf8]

Oh yes Susan, JREF and the Flat earth society have a lot in common.

The flat earth society are a bunch of "loons" who band together and back slap each other as they go about encouraging their ridiculous beliefs.
They believe that the earth is flat based on some crazy notions that they have constructed.

The JREF does the same back slapping and encouragement.
The only difference is that their crazy belief is that if you cant apply the principles of the beloved "million dollar challenge" to a subject then it doesnt exist.

Both have their heads well and truly in the sand.

A lot in common, wouldn't you say?


Uh...no....

I have no idea what you are talking about. The people on this forum are doing anything but slapping each other on the back. Like scientists do we debate just about everything, some support is shown, sometimes it isn't. Aren't you Buzz a member of this forum? You have almost 500 posts that must mean that you are debating and discussing like everyone else does.

Susan

[buzz lightyear]

You can't separate science from testing. You can't test one dream.

Susan

This is what I am on about Susan.

Debating and discussing are fine.
But basing an ideology on the theory that you can "test" everything is wrong.
Most "psychic" events, such as DRBUZZO's dream, occur at random and are as you would say, past tense.
Therefore they are not testable in what you would call a "scientific" way.

But James Randi jaunts around the country spouting his "challenge" as some sort of quasi scientific "proof" of the non validity of these types of events.

So as a member of this forum and in the interest of debating and discussing, I am debating the validity of his methodology.
And this thread is a good example because it concerns a reasonabbly active and "believer" in "Jimmys way".

[Fitter]

This dream has given me an idea.
I'd like to somehow use an old television as a toilet seat or a urinal.
It would have to be modified a lot.

Keep those dreams coming!
Yes, at the very least cut off the power cord.;)

[sgf8]

But basing an ideology on the theory that you can "test" everything is wrong.
Most "psychic" events, such as DRBUZZO's dream, occur at random and are as you would say, past tense.
Therefore they are not testable in what you would call a "scientific" way.

If you can't test it, then it isn't science. A dream like Drbuzzo's would just be something funny, or weird or whatever. Nothing you can base anything on, just conversation.

But James Randi jaunts around the country spouting his "challenge" as some sort of quasi scientific "proof" of the non validity of these types of events.

So as a member of this forum and in the interest of debating and discussing, I am debating the validity of his methodology.
And this thread is a good example because it concerns a reasonabbly active and "believer" in "Jimmys way".

Here is where you are loosing me. I don't want to put words in your mouth so please explain. What methodology are you concerned with? The claimant makes a claim, that person says what they can do under testable conditions, the JREF and the claimant go back and forth to make sure the test is fair for both sides. These goes on and on until both sides are happy. Then it is put in writing and then the tests are done.

Susan

[buzz lightyear]

If you can't test it, then it isn't science. A dream like Drbuzzo's would just be something funny, or weird or whatever. Nothing you can base anything on, just conversation.



Here is where you are loosing me. I don't want to put words in your mouth so please explain. What methodology are you concerned with? The claimant makes a claim, that person says what they can do under testable conditions, the JREF and the claimant go back and forth to make sure the test is fair for both sides. These goes on and on until both sides are happy. Then it is put in writing and then the tests are done.

Susan

There does seem to be an obsession here with testing, Susan. I suggest you browse through these definitions and reassess what you think science is.

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The emphasis here seems to be on study, experimentation and observation.

This is where the methodology of the MDC comes adrift. No study, no observation, and a 20 minute suspect type experiment.

Anyway since good old DRBUZZO has now been banned it looks as though his dream will just be one of the great unknown.

[schlitt]

This is where the methodology of the MDC comes adrift. No study, no observation, and a 20 minute suspect type experiment.


Your logic, of lack thereof is astonishing.

How would you suggest you test someone who claims that they can turn wood into gold with their mind?

Would you give them wood, and ask them to do what they say?
That would be quite a good way of testing it don't you think?
How do you think the JREF would test it?

How would you test someone claiming to be able to remote view pictures?
Would you have them attempt to remote view pictures, and see if they were successful or not?
That would be a good way to test it wouldn't it?
How do you think the JREF would test the claim?

You are simply opposed to testing and the subsequent failing of paranormal claims because you want them to be true. Unfortunately the desire for something to be true does not make it so.

The JREF is not an institution with the purpose of pioneering new science, its purpose is to test the claims of those who purport to have paranormal abilities, to see if there is truth in those claims, or if the paranormal claims are false. You may not be aware of it Buzz, but there are a lot of deluded people out there who believe a lot of things which are plainly not true. If we did not have people concerned with the truth, and who use the method of looking for evidence, and testing a claim before it is accepted (skepticism), we would have no way of distinguishing valuable ideas from useless ideas, and we would be much worse of as a species than we currently are.