Engineer society accused of cover-ups ,

[Dog Town]

about 911, and hurricane Katrina.
The 911 stuff, is a straw man, far as I can tell.
This from the ASCE report, so the writer claims. I have not read said report.
In 2002, the society's report on the World Trade Center praised the buildings for remaining standing long enough to allow tens thousands of people to flee.

But, the report said, skyscrapers are not typically designed to withstand airplane impacts. Instead of hardening buildings against such impacts, it recommended improving aviation security and fire protection.


My bolding!

Now what the "Critic" claims, about the report.

Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, a structural engineer and forensics expert, contends his computer simulations disprove the society's findings that skyscrapers could not be designed to withstand the impact of a jetliner.

Astaneh-Asl, who received money from the National Science Foundation to investigate the collapse, insisted most New York skyscrapers built with traditional designs would survive such an impact and prevent the kind of fires that brought down the twin towers.


Straw anyone...?
I see the twoofers, going gagga over this. For the sheer cherry picking, they will do. I did like the guy in N.O. saying"we live behiind our work" !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_re_us/embattled_engineers;_ylt=AjTgb1Q8EsEVyZZaLIrrtaBH2 ocA

[Sizzler]

Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, a structural engineer and forensics expert, contends his computer simulations disprove the society's findings that skyscrapers could not be designed to withstand the impact of a jetliner.

Astaneh-Asl, who received money from the National Science Foundation to investigate the collapse, insisted most New York skyscrapers built with traditional designs would survive such an impact and prevent the kind of fires that brought down the twin towers.

(bolding mine)

I've never heard WTC 1/2 or 7 called "traditional designs".

Nonetheless this is an interesting topic. I'm sure Apollo could lend his two cents as could that engineer that was recently quote mined as describing WTC steel as being melted.

[gtc]

I read that to mean that if the buildings had been built to a more traditional design they might have been able to survive the impact.

[Reality Believer]

I read that to mean that if the buildings had been built to a more traditional design they might have been able to survive the impact.
Right. This came my way yesterday in another venue.

ASCE essentially said that, as Dogtown highlighted:
But, the report said, skyscrapers are not typically designedto withstand airplane impacts. Instead of hardening buildings against such impacts, it recommended improving aviation security and fire protection. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl contends that Traditional Designs could be. I take this to mean "skeleton" framing as opposed to a more vulnerable tube in tube design.

[Mr.Herbert]

Astaneh-Asl, who received money from the National Science Foundation to investigate the collapse


What I found interesting is about the National Science Foundation:

The National Science Foundation (NSF) is an independent federal agency created by Congress in 1950 "to promote the progress of science; to advance the national health, prosperity, and welfare; to secure the national defense…" .......

And....

NSF leadership has two major components: a director (http://www.nsf.gov/od/index.jsp) who oversees NSF staff and management (http://www.nsf.gov/staff/orglist.jsp) responsible for program creation and administration, merit review, planning, budget and day-to-day operations; and a 24-member National Science Board (NSB) (http://www.nsf.gov/nsb/) of eminent individuals that meets six times a year to establish the overall policies of the foundation. The director and all Board members serve six year terms. Each of them, as well as the NSF deputy director, is appointed by the President of the United States and confirmed by the U.S. Senate.

http://www.nsf.gov/about/

[Myriad]

What I found interesting is about the National Science Foundation:

http://www.nsf.gov/about/


Gee, do you suppose that's why they call it the National Science Foundation rather than, say, "Joe's Science Foundation" or "The Rock Ridge High School Science Club?"

Respectfully,
Myriad

[rwguinn]

Gee, do you suppose that's why they call it the National Science Foundation rather than, say, "Joe's Science Foundation" or "The Rock Ridge High School Science Club?"

Respectfully,
Myriad

"Rock Ridge, Rock Ridge, hmmmm... Rock Ridge..." Hedley Lamar

[ElMondoHummus]

about 911, and hurricane Katrina.
The 911 stuff, is a straw man, far as I can tell.
This from the ASCE report, so the writer claims. I have not read said report.


My bolding!

Now what the "Critic" claims, about the report.



Straw anyone...?
I see the twoofers, going gagga over this. For the sheer cherry picking, they will do. I did like the guy in N.O. saying"we live behiind our work" !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_re_us/embattled_engineers;_ylt=AjTgb1Q8EsEVyZZaLIrrtaBH2 ocA

Astaneh-Asl's critique is not being represented well in that article. If you go to http://911-engineers.blogspot.com, you can find a few more nuanced informational pieces regarding his critique (you have to do a search for it, though; posts relating to him are not on the front page of the site). For everyone else who remembers his name cropping up here in a few threads: Recall that part of his critique on the WTC study was that no acknowledgement was made of deviations from the original design, or of some disregarding of accepted practices. I think we need to keep that in mind when we read things like what we find in Dog Town's Yahoo news link:


He also questioned the makeup of the society's investigation team. On the team were the wife of the trade center's structural engineer and a representative of the buildings' original design team.

"I call this moral corruption," said Astaneh-Asl...


Now, as far as conspiracy fantasists quotemining him: That's already happened to other critiques he's made. Despite his very clear statement that he does not subscribe to "alternate" theories. I won't be surprised if they go to that well again.

[Jonnyclueless]

I'm a little confused here. Did he do a computer simulation on the WTC scenario? What kind of computer simulation is this? Can we see it?

[CurtC]

Or maybe the "William J. Le Petomane Memorial Science Foundation for the Insane."

[fuelair]

"Rock Ridge, Rock Ridge, hmmmm... Rock Ridge..." Hedley Lamar
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[CurtC]

:D:D:D:D (Love that film!!!):D
I saw it in the movie theater in its first run. I wonder how many here can say that? It was probably the first R rated movie I got to see.

[fuelair]

I saw it in the movie theater in its first run. I wonder how many here can say that? It was probably the first R rated movie I got to see.
I can - in Nashville they showed it at a Blaxploitation theater (the Paramount - which had seen better days)!!. I was the only one (of seven ) people in the theater laughing. I got a lot of people to go to it -especially after it moved to a place more likely to get it's audience - with my 30 minute one person production of it (that is honestly not an exaggeration).:):)