Should I be a little nicer to debunkers?

[LastChild]

What’s the point of all this JREF pretend 9/11 debunking? It is my opinion that some here are nothing more then right wing apologist exploiting 9/11 conspiracy in a lame attempt of neo-con spin for the failure to protect America on 9/11. Others I suspect may just have wannabe left wing gate keeper elitist envy. I don’t know what is worse them or the so-called experts and their pseudoskepticism. Theirs is a battle of bare assertions equivalent of proclaiming their own worthiness by purporting to see the emperor’s new physics while at the same time pretending the NISTian science is invisible to anyone who is either too stupid or not fit for his position. Filling out the crowd are just lame hanger-on groupie types shouting “yeah what he said!” from the dark.

The debunking attempts have been going since the very day of the suspicious events surrounding 9/11. Someone obviously thought these so-called “conspiracy theories” were enough of a threat that they needed and still need to be discredited at any cost. JREF debunkers can’t even fill a sub-forum at JREF. The debunking movement and its daily wishful thinking declarations of a dead Truth movement are nothing short of pathetic wishful pipe dream hoping that their homework assignment is finally fulfilled. So no. I'm probably not going to be nice to them. But then again I don’t really think about whether or not I’m being nice to them or not. I have no insecurities that my criticisms towards them may be invalid or unfounded. It’s all pretty obvious.


Characteristics of pseudo skeptics

The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.

Double standards in the application of criticism.

The making of judgments without full inquiry.

Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.

Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.

Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.

Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.

Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.

Making unsubstantiated counter-claims .

Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.
Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.

[pomeroo]

What’s the point of all this JREF pretend 9/11 debunking? It is my opinion that some here are nothing more then right wing apologist exploiting 9/11 conspiracy in a lame attempt of neo-con spin for the failure to protect America on 9/11. Others I suspect may just have wannabe left wing gate keeper elitist envy. I don’t know what is worse them or the so-called experts and their pseudoskepticism. Theirs is a battle of bare assertions equivalent of proclaiming their own worthiness by purporting to see the emperor’s new physics while at the same time pretending the NISTian science is invisible to anyone who is either too stupid or not fit for his position. Filling out the crowd are just lame hanger-on groupie types shouting “yeah what he said!” from the dark.

The debunking attempts have been going since the very day of the suspicious events surrounding 9/11. Someone obviously thought these so-called “conspiracy theories” were enough of a threat that they needed and still need to be discredited at any cost. JREF debunkers can’t even fill a sub-forum at JREF. The debunking movement and its daily wishful thinking declarations of a dead Truth movement are nothing short of pathetic wishful pipe dream hoping that their homework assignment is finally fulfilled. So no. I'm probably not going to be nice to them. But then again I don’t really think about whether or not I’m being nice to them or not. I have no insecurities that my criticisms towards them may be invalid or unfounded. It’s all pretty obvious.


Characteristics of pseudo skeptics

The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.

Double standards in the application of criticism.

The making of judgments without full inquiry.

Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.

Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.

Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.

Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.

Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.

Making unsubstantiated counter-claims .

Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.
Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.


Have you figured out the difference between supply and demand yet?

Have you contacted the Dover Port Mortuary?

Have you discovered a real scientist who thinks that NIST "invented" any new principles of science?

Gee, I wonder why not.

[DGM]

We can only use "pretend debunking" because all of your arguments are pure fiction.
Do you have any fact based claims we can sink our teeth into?

[pomeroo]

What’s the point of all this JREF pretend 9/11 debunking? It is my opinion that some here are nothing more then right wing apologist exploiting 9/11 conspiracy in a lame attempt of neo-con spin for the failure to protect America on 9/11.

{snip-mindless drivel}




Hmmm. "Failure to protect America on 9/11" from what, exactly? The jihadists actually exist?

[Pardalis]

This repeating of threads reminds me of a game I used to play at around 5 years of age.

[LastChild]

Hmmm. "Failure to protect America on 9/11" from what, exactly? The jihadists actually exist?

I guess to you. You're the one apologizing for it all the time.

[Pardalis]

I guess to you. You're the one apologizing for it all the time.

I guess to you. You're the one apologizing for it all the time.

See? It used to drive my sister nuts.

[LastChild]

Have you figured out the difference between supply and demand yet?

Find that 100,000 - 300,000 barrels of oil a day missing from Iraq yet?

Have you contacted the Dover Port Mortuary?

Why would I contact them to identify an airplane? I'm not a pretend debunker.

Have you discovered a real scientist who thinks that NIST "invented" any new principles of science?

Better then that. I can quote someone from NIST questioning the WTC investigation they did. Who can you quote?

Gee, I wonder why not.

You wonder? I thought pretend debunkers knew everything.

[LastChild]

I guess to you. You're the one apologizing for it all the time.

See? It used to drive my sister nuts.

I drive your sister nuts all the time too.

[LastChild]

We can only use "pretend debunking" because all of your arguments are pure fiction.
Do you have any fact based claims we can sink our teeth into?

So you admit it? Good for you. That's the first step to your recovery.

[Bananaman]

Imagine sitting down next to a parent or relative or friend who answered one of the phonecalls from flight 93. Then tell them what the truthers believe.

Then look in that relative or friend's eyes and wait for something between fury and hatred to erupt while they stare at you, before they relax, smile and just start shaking their head.

That's why I've lost patience with the truthers.

Bananaman.

[Myriad]

It would be nice if you could answer these questions:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3562182#post3562182

Respectfully,
Myriad

[LastChild]

Imagine sitting down next to a parent or relative or friend who answered one of the phonecalls from flight 93. Then tell them what the truthers believe.

Then look in that relative or friend's eyes and wait for something between fury and hatred to erupt while they stare at you, before they relax, smile and just start shaking their head.

That's why I've lost patience with the truthers.

Bananaman.

Imagine being as low as to hide behind and incorporate the real suffering of someone else just to make some trivial nonexistent point. Well.... you don’t have to imagine do you?

As if there are no family members who would like a real investigation into 9/11.

Next

[Pardalis]

I drive your sister nuts all the time too.

Good one.

[Disbelief]

Gee, another LC copycat thread. Pretty soon, he will start posting links that he thinks support his conclusions, yet actually destroy any arguments he makes. Either that or the links will have no bearing whatsoever on the discussion.

[LastChild]

It would be nice if you could answer these questions:

I'm still curious about this, which LastChild did not respond to back on page 1 of this thread. To depersonalize the question: why would anyone whose concern is addressing problems with the government's account support a movement whose most notable public behavior is making accusations ("9/11 Was An Inside Job!") that have made it politically impossible to address problems with the government's account? Why would anyone whose concern is stopping the Iraq war support a movement that harms the credibility and effectiveness of anti-war activists?

Respectfully,
Myriad


Because people shouldn't pretend to be so stupid just to imply that the possibility of an inside job is the only reason to have a real investigation into 9/11. To pretend that 9/11 is just about the only thing this administration has told the whole truth and nothing but the truth about is self serving ignorance.

And no I don’t just have a problem with just republicans. I’ve have even voted for some in the past. I have a problem with crooks trying to shove their version of the truth down by throat. Especially when that so-called truth serves nothing but to get them off the hook for their failures that day.

[Bananaman]

Imagine being as low as to hide behind and incorporate the real suffering of someone else just to make some trivial nonexistent point. Well.... you don’t have to imagine do you?

I don't hide. I state the truth.

Imagine being you. How do you look at yourself in the mirror?

Let's repeat what you just said:

some trivial nonexistent point.

Words fail me.

As if there are no family members who would like a real investigation into 9/11.

Ones who took phonecalls from the shanksville flight? Don't be an total arse, Lastchild. You're doing the same thing again. Attributing questions to the wrong people. You don't even care do you? That shows your emotional depth of involvement. Pretty much a parallel to your involvement with the truth.

Bananaman

[LastChild]

Gee, another LC copycat thread. Pretty soon, he will start posting links that he thinks support his conclusions, yet actually destroy any arguments he makes. Either that or the links will have no bearing whatsoever on the discussion.

Did you miss the pseudo skeptic part just to sustain your bliss?

[DGM]

So you admit it? Good for you. That's the first step to your recovery.
I admit that debunking nothing or pure fantasy is not really serious debunking. The issue here is it's all you present.

[LastChild]

I admit that debunking nothing or pure fantasy is not really serious debunking. The issue here is it's all you present.

Well then please source where I have ever offered up a fantasy as fact and you DGM have debunked it. I fear if you may slipped back into pretending again. Don't give up.

[DGM]

Well then please source where I have ever offered up a fantasy as fact and you DGM have debunked it. I fear if you may slipped back into pretending again. Don't give up.
Do you really want to relive your pitifully performance in the "sounds" thread? And BTW, I have no intention of "jumping through hoops" when every lurker and regular poster knows what I'm talking about. Your effectively screwed by your reputation.

[SDC]

The world is such a happier place with LC on the "ignore" list.

[WildCat]

http://home.mindspring.com/~chitaper/gorilla_nose_pick.gif

[Drudgewire]

The world is such a happier place with LC on the "ignore" list.
Indeed. Although he could be nicer in the parts of his posts that are going to be quoted. :p

[peteweaver]

Funny.

[Architect]

right wing apologist(s)

Actually, I'm centre-left. Which by American standards would make me a raving communist, I suppose.

[Myriad]

Because people shouldn't pretend to be so stupid just to imply that the possibility of an inside job is the only reason to have a real investigation into 9/11. To pretend that 9/11 is just about the only thing this administration has told the whole truth and nothing but the truth about is self serving ignorance.


The message that the Truth Movement used its moment in the limelight, back in Autumn 06, to press upon the public was that "inside job" was a fact.

Remember? "911 Was An Inside Job!"

"911 Was An Inside Job" does not mean "there are questions that require further inquiry." It doesn't mean "the government has withheld some facts to make itself look better." If those had been the messages, the movement could have had investigative mainstream journalists, curious scientists, engineers and firefighters in favor of stronger building code reform, the anti-Bush left and center, the anti-war activists, and anti-corruption reformers, all on their side. Instead, the movement sold a conclusion. A conclusion which was not and is not supported by any credible evidence. A conclusion that required them to call most of those might-have-been supporters liars. "911 Was An Inside Job."

If that wasn't the message they intended to get across, then they blew it. Thoroughly and, for all practical purposes, permanently.

If what the truth movement wanted was another investigation into the possibility of an inside job, then they blew it. Thoroughly and, for all practical purposes, permanently. They have made further investigation politically non-viable.

And no I don’t just have a problem with just republicans. I’ve have even voted for some in the past. I have a problem with crooks trying to shove their version of the truth down by throat. Especially when that so-called truth serves nothing but to get them off the hook for their failures that day.


Too bad. The truth movement has given them the cover to get away with it. I'm not real happy about that either, but crying over spilled milk is a waste of time.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[nicepants]

Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.

Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.

Making unsubstantiated counter-claims .

Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.
Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.

All are characteristic traits of truthers, these probably moreso than the others.

[Tweeter]

Should I be a little nicer to debunkers?
Hell no!

[GreNME]

Should I be a little nicer to debunkers?

That depends. If you want to hang on to at least some type of moral high ground, then it would probably be a good start. If that's not all that important to you, then carry on with what you're doing.

I'm neither a "debunker" nor a "truther," and I think the constant need for distinctions gets out of hand around here. I don't know if you've missed it, but I've actively criticized the moderation here on at least one recent occassion (and, in all honesty, I think I can't really complain as of late... my thanks to Chillzero on that). Still, I don't subscribe to the 9/11 conspiracy theories despite my active dislike for the current presidential administration or its policies (some of which I find detestable and borderline criminal).

The one thing I find missing in a lot of these threads, however, is any semblance of good faith on either side to approach the discussions rationally and without unnecessary emotional outbursts. I think that when it does happen then some really good communication on both sides takes place, whether it's an agreement on criteria for validation or a decision to take a discussion to a moderated format. Believe it or not, people of differing conclusions on a topic can manage to discuss things without devolving into ridiculous caricatures, but since you (and others on all sides of the debates) often refuse to do that the same boring conversations and accusations take place day in and day out with no change. It's like watching two highly proselytizing and evangelical religious groups shout at each other from different sides of a street.

So, if you're honestly asking whether someone thinks you should be a bigger person in the discussions taking place, then absolutely. If you're just looking for an excuse to toss more poo, then you're not really going to bother reading this and considering it in the first place.

[Blender Head]

The message that the Truth Movement used its moment in the limelight, back in Autumn 06, to press upon the public was that "inside job" was a fact.

Remember? "911 Was An Inside Job!"

"911 Was An Inside Job" does not mean "there are questions that require further inquiry." It doesn't mean "the government has withheld some facts to make itself look better." If those had been the messages, the movement could have had investigative mainstream journalists, curious scientists, engineers and firefighters in favor of stronger building code reform, the anti-Bush left and center, the anti-war activists, and anti-corruption reformers, all on their side. Instead, the movement sold a conclusion. A conclusion which was not and is not supported by any credible evidence. A conclusion that required them to call most of those might-have-been supporters liars. "911 Was An Inside Job."

If that wasn't the message they intended to get across, then they blew it. Thoroughly and, for all practical purposes, permanently.

If what the truth movement wanted was another investigation into the possibility of an inside job, then they blew it. Thoroughly and, for all practical purposes, permanently. They have made further investigation politically non-viable.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Wonderfully said.

If the Truth Movement wasn't pushing a conclusion, as you rightly point out, I myself would probably be one of them.

[Tweeter]

Why are most debunkers foreigners?
* waits for the sock accounts to rush in and dismiss this claim

[SDC]

Indeed. Although he could be nicer in the parts of his posts that are going to be quoted. :p

It places him (or her, or the artificial-intelligence-referred-to-as-LC) at a remove so that any bile or spite becomes a distant matter, a minor irritation at worst.

Highly recommended! Two thumbs up!

[dudalb]

Why are most debunkers foreigners?
* waits for the sock accounts to rush in and dismiss this claim

Don't feed the Troll and he will go away.

[calebprime]

will you be my friend and tell me what you think the three most suspicious things surrounding the events of 9/11 are?

will you be my friend and tell me what you think are the three most suspicious things surrounding the events of JFK's assassination?

I think Arab terrorists, mostly Saudis, flew planes into the WTC.

I think Oswald acted alone.

Is that so wronk?

[LastChild]

The message that the Truth Movement used its moment in the limelight, back in Autumn 06, to press upon the public was that "inside job" was a fact.

Remember? "911 Was An Inside Job!"

"911 Was An Inside Job" does not mean "there are questions that require further inquiry." It doesn't mean "the government has withheld some facts to make itself look better." If those had been the messages, the movement could have had investigative mainstream journalists, curious scientists, engineers and firefighters in favor of stronger building code reform, the anti-Bush left and center, the anti-war activists, and anti-corruption reformers, all on their side. Instead, the movement sold a conclusion. A conclusion which was not and is not supported by any credible evidence. A conclusion that required them to call most of those might-have-been supporters liars. "911 Was An Inside Job."

If that wasn't the message they intended to get across, then they blew it. Thoroughly and, for all practical purposes, permanently.

If what the truth movement wanted was another investigation into the possibility of an inside job, then they blew it. Thoroughly and, for all practical purposes, permanently. They have made further investigation politically non-viable.




Too bad. The truth movement has given them the cover to get away with it. I'm not real happy about that either, but crying over spilled milk is a waste of time.

Respectfully,
Myriad

What’s too bad is the cowardice of some people so afraid of what others might think if they point to any of the obvious inadequacies in any official accounting of 9/11 to date. I would also add that although a possible inside job is not the only reason to have a valid investigation into 9/11 anyone dismissing an inside job before that investigation is the one jumping to conclusions.

[fuelair]

. Others I suspect may just have wannabe left wing gate keeper elitist envy. . [/I]
There is no reason, I assure you, to believe we think troofers are elite - they are so not elite it reaches to the point of their conclusively having been shown to be common morons. Hopefully this will help allay your fears on this matter.:)

[Jonnyclueless]

There is no way on earth LastChild could be any older than 14.

[Thunder]

I cant believe this is an actual topic.

[LastChild]

will you be my friend and tell me what you think the three most suspicious things surrounding the events of 9/11 are?

The failure to protect, the actions of Govt officials leading up to, on, and since 9/11, the limited and inadequate investigations and explanations.

will you be my friend and tell me what you think are the three most suspicious things surrounding the events of JFK's assassination?

The failure to protect, the actions of Govt officials leading up to, on, and since the JFK assassination, the limited and inadequate investigations and explanations.

I think Arab terrorists, mostly Saudis, flew planes into the WTC.

I don't think if this were found to be indisputable it would mean no further investigation into 9/11 is needed. You can say that for just about any so-called conspiracy theory.

I think Oswald acted alone.


Yeah well Oswald never got his day in court did he?

Is that so wronk?

Will you be my friend and tell me what wronk means?

[Thunder]

Why are most debunkers foreigners?
* waits for the sock accounts to rush in and dismiss this claim

Who you callin a foreigner, Willis?

I was born here. My mom was born here. My grandma was born here.

I'm no foreigner.

[VespaGuy]

[...] right wing apologist [...] neo-con spin [...] gate keeper [...] so-called experts [...] pseudoskepticism [...] NISTian [..] Truth movement [...]

Bingo!! Bingo!!!

Is anyone else playing Truther-Bingo? Just one of LCs post is enough to win!!

All I need is "NWO", "Zionist" and "Sheeple" to cover my whole card!

[LastChild]

There is no reason, I assure you, to believe we think troofers are elite - they are so not elite it reaches to the point of their conclusively having been shown to be common morons. Hopefully this will help allay your fears on this matter.:)

I wasn't talking about Truthers there. I was talking about some on the Left who try to pretend that their dismissal of any need for further investigation into 9/11 is a validation that their other problems with the Bush administration are founded.

[defaultdotxbe]

Bingo!! Bingo!!!

Is anyone else playing Truther-Bingo? Just one of LCs post is enough to win!!

All I need is "NWO", "Zionist" and "Sheeple" to cover my whole card!
i was only a "bush-lover" away from a diagonal :(

[Brainache]

I wasn't talking about Truthers there. I was talking about some on the Left who try to pretend that their dismissal of any need for further investigation into 9/11 is a validation that their other problems with the Bush administration are founded.


Are you saying that if 9/11 was not an inside job, then any other concerns about the actions and policies of the Bush administration can be dismissed?

If so, I don't think many here would agree with you.

[gc051360]

Oh...I get it. I see what you did with the thread title. That'll show em!!!!

eta: You're a hero LastChild. You believe that the government murdered 3000 of it's own people, and your only goal seems to be to annoy people on a message board. At this rate, you'll get that new investigation in no time. Who are you gonna get to head the investigation though? Who is immune from having his conclusions dismissed as "neo con gate keeping...Nistian....." whatever.

[dudalb]

My attitude toward Lost Child,who obviously thinks he has been treated roughly here at JREF is "I will try to be nicer if You try to be smarter".

[dudalb]

There is no way on earth LastChild could be any older than 14.


At least emotionally and intellectually. I know a number of people who are a lot older in terms of years, but who have the emotional makup of a 14 year old.

[Unsecured Coins]

can you start coming up with your own thread ideas, pdoh?

[TheDaver]

Wait, did the government perpetrate 9/11, or did it simply fail to prevent it?

Make up your mind you silly bastard.

Please keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks to argue your point.

[Blender Head]

can you start coming up with your own thread ideas, pdoh?

That'd require LastChild to have an original thought.

[Myriad]

What’s too bad is the cowardice of some people so afraid of what others might think if they point to any of the obvious inadequacies in any official accounting of 9/11 to date.


Well, not everyone (and especially, very few politicians) are as courageous as you are. It's one thing for large segments of the voting public to think you're an opportunist, a hypocrite, a thief, a draft-dodger, a pedophile, an idiot, or even a killer. Lots of politicians survive those perceptions. But to have the public think you're a truther -- end of career, period. Can you blame politicians for being afraid?

I would also add that although a possible inside job is not the only reason to have a valid investigation into 9/11 anyone dismissing an inside job before that investigation is the one jumping to conclusions.


Could be. But since the truth movement has made further government investigation politically impossible, those who choose not to jump to conclusions will just have to live with the possibility that there was an inside job. Fortunately, that possibility makes so little sense that it's not really worth worrying about.

Even if every event that conspiracy theories believe are false flag attacks, really were false flag attacks, your odds per year of being killed by electricity in an accident are many times higher.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[fuelair]

I wasn't talking about Truthers there. I was talking about some on the Left who try to pretend that their dismissal of any need for further investigation into 9/11 is a validation that their other problems with the Bush administration are founded.So you say now!!!Try harder next time grasshopper.:D

[beachnut]

Find that 100,000 - 300,000 barrels of oil a day missing from Iraq yet? Not a thing to really debunk because truthers bring up stuff not related to 9/11 as some sort of smoking gun but fail to tie the ideas to reality. What does oil have to do with 9/11; only a truther's mind can connect the single dot not related to anything 9/11 and come up with a new 9/11 truth false idea.
Why would I contact them to identify an airplane? I'm not a pretend debunker. With an impact of a plane and no one actually planting body parts, the fact the person who identified the DNA; proves the plane hit the Pentagon if you connect the DOTS. Why is 9/11 truth able to make up stuff from connecting one dot to nothing and proclaim some new fantasy ideas on 9/11?
Better then that. I can quote someone from NIST questioning the WTC investigation they did. Who can you quote? So far not a one piece of evidence supports 9/11 truth. Funny, the person who has problems from NIST, debunk all 9/11 truth stands for. Oh the utter lack of logic mixed with total lack of knowledge, this is 9/11 truth. 9/11 truth is self debunking; all it takes is knowledge and you can debunk all of 9/11 truth. Beam weapons, fake planes, alive terrorist, you name it, it debunks itself. So far not a single 9/11 truth members has presented evidence to support their far out ideas; proof happens to be in the fact 9/11 truth lacks a Pulitzer Prize;

Take that pile of evidence and get the Pulitzer Prize;
9/11 truth says there is ample evidence and probable cause to believe that many grave and still unresolved crimes were committed by US officials and
largely unexplicated bodies of 9/11 evidence Yep, sure, if you could only produce it! No prize for you!
You wonder? I thought pretend debunkers knew everything. We only wonder how 9/11 truth members got degrees when they are so poor at logical thinking. How did they do it?

[pomeroo]

Find that 100,000 - 300,000 barrels of oil a day missing from Iraq yet?



Yes, it has been found. It's being destroyed by insurgents and siphoned off by corrupt officials. It has no conceivable relation to American oil companies. But, you already knew that. Your point?

Oh, right: YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.



Why would I contact them to identify an airplane? I'm not a pretend debunker.



Now, that's a tough one. Let's see: Remains of the passengers on the airplane were found at the Pentagon; remains of the crew were found there as well. Hmmm. As I said, it's a toughie, but I can't escape this feeling in my bones that somehow the presence of the remains of the passengers and crew tells us something about the fate of the plane. I'm not sure. What do you suppose I'm missing?




Better then [sic] that. I can quote someone from NIST questioning the WTC investigation they did. Who can you quote?



Wow! I can't quote anybody from NIST who questions the main conclusions reached. When I talked with James Quintiere for over a half-hour, he made it clear that he thinks that NIST overestimates the importance of the dislodged fireproofing. Quintiere thinks that the Towers could not have survived the impacts of the planes under any circumstances. He is actually much tougher on conspiracy liars who pretend that explosives were involved. He thinks they're completely nuts.

On the off chance that you're not lying again, who did you have in mind?



You wonder? I thought pretend debunkers knew everything.


Ah, but that's your problem (well, it's one of your problems): what you think always turns out to be wrong. You see, the people who regularly expose your laughable pretensions are real debunkers. To be perfectly fair, a pretend-debunker would more than suffice in your case.

[pomeroo]

Well then please source where I have ever offered up a fantasy as fact and you DGM have debunked it. I fear if you may slipped back into pretending again. Don't give up.


I must ride to your defense here. I can state as an incontrovertible fact that you have never offered up anything as a fact. It is, of course, also true that your many, many snide insinuations and vague, empty, thoroughly disingenuous "questions" have been crushingly debunked.

[pomeroo]

Wonderfully said.

If the Truth Movement wasn't pushing a conclusion, as you rightly point out, I myself would probably be one of them.


Your signature is dishonest.

[pomeroo]

What’s too bad is the cowardice of some people so afraid of what others might think if they point to any of the obvious inadequacies in any official accounting of 9/11 to date. I would also add that although a possible inside job is not the only reason to have a valid investigation into 9/11 anyone dismissing an inside job before that investigation is the one jumping to conclusions.


Here is your chance to be the first conspiracy liar to explain who should conduct the new investigation. I realize that you have always fled when this question gets asked, but today's a new day. So, tell us: after you've excluded all the real physicists, chemists, metallurgists, structural engineers, demolition experts, avionics techs, air traffic controllers, forensic examiners, law enforcement personnel, firefighters, etc. (obviously, if you don't exclude them, you'll simply replicate the findings of the original massive investigation), who will be assigned the job of producing your desired result?

[pomeroo]

Wait, did the government perpetrate 9/11, or did it simply fail to prevent it?

Make up your mind you silly bastard.


When I asked essentially the same question, the Child dismissed it with incoherent gibberish (see post # 6). I doubt that you'll have better luck.

[TheDaver]

I know, I just wish I knew what influences haven given the kid such a sharp cognitive dissonance. His is bad enough to blow his eardrums from the inside.…

[The Doc]

LastChild,

It really saddens me that you honestly believe that the wrong people have been accused in the deaths of 3,000 innocent people, and those responsible have gotten away with it, and the best you can do about it is make parody mock threads on an internet forum.

Thank Christ you're wrong, because your inaction would be rather unsettling in the event that you were actually right.

[Tweeter]

Originally Posted by Tweeter
Why are most debunkers foreigners?
* waits for the sock accounts to rush in and dismiss this claim

Parky76 says
Who you callin a foreigner, Willis?
I was born here. My mom was born here. My grandma was born here. I'm no foreigner.

Tweeter says
The key word is most. Most are foreigners which by surfing the internet has led me to believe they hate us yanks. So let me update my question. Why do foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America?

[uk_dave]

Why do foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America?

Interesting. Not the question itself, but rather the thinking that lays behind it.

Are you disturbed that 'foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America'? If so, why?

Does it trouble you that people from outside the US are prepared to spend a little time countering the arguments of the various 'truth' movements within the US?

Is 'truth' a bunch of lies that only US citizens can enjoy mocking?

Or do you see it as the big bad world spoiling the fun of homegrown, US Patriotic 'truthers'?

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

So you admit it? Good for you. That's the first step to your recovery.

given Woody Allen a call yet?

[Tweeter]

Interesting. Not the question itself, but rather the thinking that lays behind it.

Are you disturbed that 'foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America'? If so, why?

Does it trouble you that people from outside the US are prepared to spend a little time countering the arguments of the various 'truth' movements within the US?

Is 'truth' a bunch of lies that only US citizens can enjoy mocking?

Or do you see it as the big bad world spoiling the fun of homegrown, US Patriotic 'truthers'?

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.

[EvilBiker]

So let me update my question. Why do foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America?


(I could ask the same question about Twoofers situated in Oz, Japan, the UK, etc.)

To answer your question: idiocy seeps across borders. I sure as hell don't want the CT mindset to corrupt my neck of the woods.

[MikeW]

Heh. I regularly have people accusing me of not really being a Brit, 911myths is actually a CIA operation etc etc. And now, apparently, it's also suspicious if I AM in the UK. In trutherland, every path really does lead to "inside job".

[Architect]

Who you callin a foreigner, Willis?

I was born here. My mom was born here. My grandma was born here.

I'm no foreigner.

We're all foreign to other nationals. Unfortunately some of our posters are also foreign to the lands of "intellectual rigour" and "evidence based analysis".

[GregoryUrich]

Who you callin a foreigner, Willis?

I was born here. My mom was born here. My grandma was born here.

I'm no foreigner.

Except for indiginous americans we are all foreigners: immigrants or sons and daughters or colonists, immigrants or slaves.

[Disbelief]

Except for indiginous americans we are all foreigners: immigrants or sons and daughters or colonists, immigrants or slaves.

But if the indigenous people came across an ice bridge, they would actually be foreigners too. How far back are you looking at taking this?

[pomeroo]

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.


Most Americans regard Brits as true friends.

[GregoryUrich]

But if the indigenous people came across an ice bridge, they would actually be foreigners too. How far back are you looking at taking this?

As far as I did.

[mrbaracuda]

(I could ask the same question about Twoofers situated in Oz, Japan, the UK, etc.)

To answer your question: idiocy seeps across borders. I sure as hell don't want the CT mindset to corrupt my neck of the woods.

You know, the best thing about twoof movements that aren't in the US is they lack their "enemies" they can "expose", heh. Ah, the joy of not having morons shout their 9/11 crap at the top of their lungs! :)

[Dr Adequate]

Characteristics of pseudo skeptics ... Ooh look, you're whining about "pseudoskeptics"!

Have a look at the company you're in.

---

Real Proper Skeptics believe in UFOs even though they are "short of any kind of proof" (http://www.ufoskeptic.org) : I propose that true skepticism is called for today: neither the gullible acceptance of true belief nor the closed-minded rejection of the scoffer masquerading as the skeptic. One should be skeptical of both the believers and the scoffers. The negative claims of pseudo-skeptics who offer facile explanations must themselves be subject to criticism... There is another aspect to the UFO phenomenon that involves politics and secrecy rather than observational evidence. I do not currently have a ticket to any SCI program, but over the years I have gotten to know individuals who for one reason or another would be aware of the existence of relevant black programs... The above is, of course, short of any kind of proof, but all in all I have now gotten to the point in my exposure to the subject at which I think it somewhat more likely than not that something not merely delusional, but real and important may be going on with regard to the UFO phenomenon.

Real Proper Skeptics believe that "confusing memories" prove that you've visited another universe (http://glenavalon.com/otherworlds.html) : Join us in a brave foray into the unknown and uncharted realms of parallel universes. Prepare yourself for a trek, not to outer or inner, but to adjacent space.

Will we find Eden? Lands of Magic? Our heart's desire? Or will we find worlds just like our own? Some of us may have already visited other universes - the evidence may be confusing memories - improbable places or people we have seen. Can we observe these parallel universes? Have we observed them? Can we travel between them? What kind of device would we need? What energy barriers would we encounter and have to overcome? Is there a shortcut between the worlds? Does quantum consciousness hold a key?

ASIDE TO PSEUDOSKEPTICS: Please don't bother. We are talking subjective experience here and trying to derive clues to what is happening. These things occurred - they happened to us - no amount of skepticism or psychobabble on your part will convince us otherwise.

Real Proper Skeptics believe that the "Face On Mars" is evidence of a lost Martian civilization, but that NASA is hushing it up (http://www.mactonnies.com/imperative38.html) : If the "Face" and/or other features test positively for artificiality, this discovery promises to be the most explosive we have ever encountered. The Cydonian Imperative advocates completely open disclosure of any findings that would tend to bear out the Artificiality Hypothesis. I am troubled by NASA's demonstrated refusals to comply with scientific method and acknowledge the work of independent researchers.

The Cydonia inquiry is not trivial, pseudoscientific, or dismissable. On the contrary, the enigmas on the Martian surface (and perhaps elsewhere in the Solar System) challenge our conceptions of planetary and genetic selfhood. We cannot afford to miss this potentially transformative opportunity...

It is interesting that this image, withheld from public inspection, depicts the Face in its entirety. Such accuracy tends to suggest that acquiring high-resolution images of the Face is not only easier than NASA/MSSS would have the public believe, but that NASA has an abiding interest in studying the Cydonia region. The reasons for the space agency's near-silence on the Cydonia issue, in light of the image above, are far from trivial...

Skeptics groups rail against "pseudoscience." But perhaps the time has come for independent thinkers, armed with real knowledge as opposed to false preconceptions, to begin questioning the agenda behind pseudoskepticism.

Real Proper Skeptics believe that John Edward can talk to the dead (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/skeptic09.html) : One of the most famous psychic mediums in this country is John Edward who performs readings before a live audience on television. His impressive abilities suggests that he may actually be communicating with the dead. pseudo-skeptics claim that John Edward is a master of reading body language to elicit information. But, Edward often does phone readings and sometimes readings where he cannot even see the subject... pseudo-skeptics claim that questionnaires and bugging devices help producers learn about deceased family members... Concerning bugging devices, the show's producer replied, "Of course there's microphones, but are they being fed anywhere, no. And John doesn't see any of this."

Real Proper Skeptics believe that crop circles... or "at least some of them" were created by "Non-Human Intelligence" (http://www.suppressedscience.net/crops.html) : If Nickell and Fischer had examined that question, they would have found that their four arguments for hoaxing are perfectly compatible with the hypothesis that crop formations, or at least some of them, are created on purpose by a non-human intelligence (NHI), such as extraterrestrials or spiritual beings... Proper skepticism must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Unfortunately, much of what comes out of the "skeptical" community these days is not proper skepticism, but all-out, fundamentalist disbelief. Such skepticism can be called pseudo-skepticism, pathological skepticism or bogus skepticism.

Real Proper Skeptics believe that Uri Geller has magical powers over cutlery (http://www.uri-geller.com/mindbending.htm) : Some historians believe Jesus Christ was born on December 20th. Perhaps the first unusual event of Uri's life was that he was born on the same day, although some time later, in 1946 to be exact. Coincidence? Maybe, but a portent perhaps of the shape ( or shape-shifting ) of things to come.

Uri says that he first became aware of his mindpower at the age of four. He was eating, when the fork he was using bent and snapped. His mother, a member of the Freud family, was not surprised at his ability and nurtured his childhood accordingly. It was this acceptance, rather than denial, which enabled his self belief. A belief, Uri says, is inherent in all children, it is social conditioning which creates the denial...

When I spoke with Uri, he told me that he still meets with scientists and accepts the positive motive behind scientific discovery, it seems it is the adversarial 'pseudo skeptics' which Uri has washed his hands with...

Real Proper Skeptics believe that they can debunk the Big Bang without actually knowing any physics; and also in alien visitors, ghosts, ESP, Bigfoot... (http://www.geocities.com/wwu777us/Debunking_Skeptical_Arguments.htm) : These ordinarily sound scientific platitudes are used as the ultimate "get out of jail free" cards for pseudo-skeptics who have no answers to inconvenient questions. Let's examine Sagan's assertion that "extrarordinary" claims require "extraordinary" evidence. The problem with this statement is that popular science does not require extraordinary evidence for its extraordinary claims. Big Bang theory may be the most extraordinary claim in the history of popular science. Here we have an idea that can be neatly encapsulated in eight words: "At first, there was nothing...then it exploded." But how can NOTHING explode? Big Bang theory "defies gravity" and violates innumerable laws of physics, it remains a HYPOTHETICAL mathematical model, yet it is promoted as truth by NASA and institutions of higher learning around the world. Why has the mainstream never demanded the same standards of Big Bang theorists that it does of "paranormal" proponents?

Where are the "double-blind tests" validating Big Bang theory? Has Big Bang theory been tested by JREF or other skeptical organizations?

Real Proper Skeptics think that mediums can catch terrorists despite the fact that this has never happenned (http://www.victorzammit.com/articles/terrorism.html) : I am presenting an issue which hitherto has NOT been part of the procedure of crime detection training.

One has to ignore the entrenched negativism of the closed minded skeptics (or as Professor C T Tart calls them 'pseudo-skeptics') They are defeatists and I submit they are a danger to national security for retarding or preventing professional investigation of psychic phenomena.

Law enforcement agencies ought to obtain the services of highly gifted psychics - not the run of the mill commercial ones, but those who can pass empirical tests for repeatable accuracy. There may be at least four or five in each country who ought to be regarded as absolute 'pure gold.' These would be hard to find as the truly gifted ones keep a very low, non-commercial, very private profile...

Two gifted psychic mediums would be required - one of them a trance-medium. Usually, the mediums bring others with them to give them psychic energy support. One of the mediums will be in a position to communicate with the terrorist's 'attachment.' This will be done while the other trance-medium goes into trance and allows the terrorist's 'attachment' to use the voice box of the second medium.

Real Proper Skeptics believe everything they hear, plus everything they make up (http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina40326.htm) : Fortunately, not every one is pseudo skeptic. We have also many true skeptics... It is said that even Hitler had some psychic powers (I just heard this and do not know the details of it). If true, this does not mean that everything this monster did was right or conversely, his crimes against humanity do not nullify his psychic ability... We know that thoughts are vibrations. These vibrations are what make the electroencephalograph machine (lie detector) work. Vibrations are created by particles. In quantum physics time breaks down and becomes irrelevant. So is it possible that your thoughts work in times that have not yet occurred? If true, this would explain how we dream things that come to pass later, telepathy, premonition, remote viewing and other psychic claims... This proves that healing comes from within and is triggered by our brain. In fact all healing come from our brain. All what drugs do is, trigger the defense mechanism of the body by stimulating the brain to release the endorphins and other chemicals that would heal the body... Belief is a powerful human faculty. If we can tap into this, we can basically heal our selves at will...The pseudo skeptics with materialistic persuasion are not after science or truth. They are promoting a religion based on materialism. There is nothing scientific, nothing logical and nothing rational about their belief. They are believers in a dogma that is contrary to human reason and observable facts... Islam presents itself as a religion. This, of course is not true.

---

Y'see, eventually every crackpot group starts whining about "pseudoskeptics", presumably because it's cheaper than getting "I FAIL" tattoed on your foreheads.

[Drudgewire]

Y'see, eventually every crackpot group starts whining about "pseudoskeptics", presumably because it's cheaper than getting "I FAIL" tattoed on your foreheads.
Jeez, every one of those links seems to have been written by "pseudo-non retards."

[16.5]

Well then please source where I have ever offered up a fantasy as fact and you DGM have debunked it. I fear if you may slipped back into pretending again. Don't give up.

Well there was that one time you linked to a web site that prominently relied on holocaust deniers. I seem to recall that you were thankful that I pointed it out to you.

But you are busy with your typical completely worthless thread, so i'll let you get back to it.

[pomeroo]

In post #55, I asked the Child to quote that person from NIST, other than Dr. Quintiere, and in post #58 I asked him, for the third or fourth time, who should conduct the new investigation he pretends to want.

Oddly enough, he has vanished again.

[aggle-rithm]

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.

Speak for yourself, please.

[Calcas]

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.

No, MOST Americans don't hate England or the Brits in general. (We do sometimes like to make fun of the French though I think that's fairly universal.;))

Of course, there's always a minority anywhere that are uneducated, hateful, and bigoted towards another group of people. You obviously fit into that class.

What a genuinely stupid thing to say.

[Darth Rotor]

Actually, I'm centre-left. Which by American standards would make me a raving communist, I suppose.
Not so. It makes you a True Scotsman. ;)

I am an American, and I approve this message.

DR

[Darth Rotor]

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.
Who is this we, Kemo Sabe?

Speak for yourself.

Some of my best friends are Brits.

DR

[LastChild]

Well there was that one time you linked to a web site that prominently relied on holocaust deniers. I seem to recall that you were thankful that I pointed it out to you.

But you are busy with your typical completely worthless thread, so i'll let you get back to it.

Oh Yeah I remember. The time I linked to a site that had all the experts who believe the official version just like you who initially claimed the steel melted from jet fuel just like you probably also did? Yeah I remember that.

I didn't know those were NAZI beliefs. So how long have you been a NAZI?

Never mind. I let you get back to your crying wolf every time you're getting owned. You must be busy.

Catch ya later NAZI.

[LastChild]

In post #55, I asked the Child to quote that person from NIST, other than Dr. Quintiere, and in post #58 I asked him, for the third or fourth time, who should conduct the new investigation he pretends to want.

Oddly enough, he has vanished again.

I've answered this before. A real independent commission with real subpoena power. After a new administration takes office of course.

[Darth Rotor]

Should I be a little nicer to debunkers?
I didn't know those were NAZI beliefs. So how long have you been a NAZI? Never mind. I let you get back to your crying wolf every time you're getting owned. You must be busy.

Catch ya later NAZI.
The gulf between should and do remains, for you, as wide as the Atlantic Ocean.

In the same spirit as you addressed 16.5, I feel compelled to ask:

Lost Child, have you stopped beating your meat wife?

I've answered this before. A real independent commission with real subpoena power. After a new administration takes office of course.
Will they wear kilts? You need to grow up, child, and get a grip on politics. A new administration may have a political motivation to reopen the WTC investigation. If they do so, then the commission will not only not be independent, it will be as politically poisoned as any so far convened.

Can you please describe what "real subpoena power" is as opposed to any other kind of subpoena power? Please use terms that are coherent, and derived from legal practice, lexicons, and common legal usage.

DR

[Minadin]

Bingo!! Bingo!!!

Is anyone else playing Truther-Bingo? Just one of LCs post is enough to win!!

All I need is "NWO", "Zionist" and "Sheeple" to cover my whole card!

i was only a "bush-lover" away from a diagonal :(

We currently only have 2 known CT-Bingo cards in circulation. You guys have more?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/12532463c2eed3e66d.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1253245bf877dcd575.gif

[LastChild]

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/110203%209-11%20Commission.gif

[slyjoe]

...Why do foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America?

Globalization. It's another conspiracy. Go chase that one.

[fuelair]

As far as I did.
With no offense, that translates to "as as far as I need it to make a point that is historically invalid".

[fuelair]

I wont answer any of your questions because you never answer mine. But i will say most Americans wouldnt give two ***** if jolly old England sank into the ocean. We hate you.
Fortunately, Teek isn't here. I actually wouldn't care if all the idiots who are troofers and their supporters jumped off Brooklyn Bridge to hunt for the NWO HQ under the river there. Sans O2 of course.

[rwguinn]

Actually, I'm centre-left. Which by American standards would make me a raving communist, I suppose.

I knew there was something about you that was inconsistent!

You commie!:D

[pomeroo]

I've answered this before. A real independent commission with real subpoena power. After a new administration takes office of course.


I'm afraid that won't do. Your new commission has to investigate something. It can't subpoena people who aren't suspected of anything and treat them like criminals. You haven't figured out what you want to investigate. Let me make a suggestion:

You're trying to pretend that something is wrong with the conventional wisdom that nineteen jihadists hijacked four commercial airliners and flew three of them into buildings. As you noticed from the recent Pentagon thread, your only hope is to accuse the FBI of somehow falsifying DNA evidence. Now, how would you proceed?

Naturally, you haven't given any thought to the members of your commission. If they turned out to be theologians, dotty academics, and deranged talk radio hosts, well, you'd get your your desired verdict, but everyone sane would still laugh at you.

No, I don't think you know where to begin. You just don't know exactly what you want to investigate.

[Sabrina]

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/110203%209-11%20Commission.gif

Yeah, a political cartoon is a real unbiased perspective there, LC. Way to go. :rolleyes:

[Minadin]

Speaking of cartoons, here's an excerpt from a recent VGCats comic (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=245), which I feel might be appropriate:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1253247ebde215884f.jpg

[LastChild]

Yeah, a political cartoon is a real unbiased perspective there, LC. Way to go. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry I didn't have time to out together my own cartoon Bingo Board. Not that I would need to since many of the squares pretty much apply more to debunkers. :rolleyes:

[CHF]

So this is it then, twoofers? This is what your "movement" has been reduced to?

Starting juvenile threads on message boards rather than doing something useful with your wealth of "evidence?"

Looks like Bush and Cheney are gonna get away with it after all :rolleyes:

[Dr Adequate]

I'm sorry I didn't have time to out together my own cartoon Bingo Board. Not that I would need to since many of the squares pretty much apply more to debunkers. :rolleyes: Why don't you just start a thread entitled "I Am Rubber, You Are Glue", and post all your infantile whining on there?

You only seem to have one idea, and it's wrong.

[mrbaracuda]

Oh Yeah I remember. The time I linked to a site that had all the experts who believe the official version just like you who initially claimed the steel melted from jet fuel just like you probably also did? Yeah I remember that.

I didn't know those were NAZI beliefs. So how long have you been a NAZI?

Never mind. I let you get back to your crying wolf every time you're getting owned. You must be busy.

Catch ya later NAZI.

You might as well stop using capital letters for that abbreviation. Not even we Germans do, nor ever did.

[LastChild]

You might as well stop using capital letters for that abbreviation. Not even we Germans do, nor ever did.

I don't really know much about it but I'm sure you, 16.5, and some of the other debunkers, can fill me in should I make anymore mistakes regarding Nazi's.

Was that better?

[Drudgewire]

Looks like Bush and Cheney are gonna get away with it after all :rolleyes:
It was the plan all along. They thought we hadn't taken the Internet and the people who pass information along on it into account. The truth is we COUNTED on them to act like goofballs and destroy any credibility these theories may have had. :cool:

[Dr Adequate]

I don't really know much about it but I'm sure you, 16.5, and some of the other debunkers, can fill me in should I make anymore mistakes regarding Nazi's.

Was that better? No, not really. It's the same sort of dimwitted childish whining that you always produce, and of course "Nazis" doesn't have an apostrophe in it ... so no, that post was as dumb as all your others.

[mrbaracuda]

I don't really know much about it but I'm sure you, 16.5, and some of the other debunkers, can fill me in should I make anymore mistakes regarding Nazi's.

Was that better?

No offense, just telling, you know? I wouldn't call me a debunker by the way.

[LastChild]

No, not really. It's the same sort of dimwitted childish whining that you always produce, and of course "Nazis" doesn't have an apostrophe in it ... so no, that post was as dumb as all your others.

Well there you go. You learn something new about Nazis here everyday. Thanks for filling me in.

[JimBenArm]

Good to see you starting to play nice. It's good to see you acting with restraint and maturity. So good of you to set an example for us all to aspire to.

[Blender Head]

Your signature is dishonest.

Why do you try and derail threads with subjects that aren't related to conspiracy theories?

I know no one will question your wisdom over that, so I won't bother asking it again.

[aggle-rithm]

You only seem to have one idea,

Perhaps fewer...

[stateofgrace]

. Why do foreign born debunkers give a **** about what happens in America?


The Interpol General Assembly, meeting in Budapest from 24 to 28 September 2001 at its 70th session:
RECALLING the murderous attacks perpetrated against the world’s citizens in the United States of America on 11 September 2001,
SHOCKED by the loss of and injury to thousands of innocent lives from over 80 countries, including scores of police officers, firefighters and other public servants called to the scene to aid those in need,
DETERMINED that this abhorrent violation of law and of the standards of human decency must be condemned by every civilized person,
CONSCIOUS of our special responsibility as upholders of the laws of almost every nation of the world,
BEARING IN MIND the consistent record of Interpol at past General Assembly sessions in opposing all acts of terrorism, most recently at the 67th session in Cairo (http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/GeneralAssembly/AGN67/Resolutions/AGN67RES12.asp) (1998) and the 68th session in Seoul (http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/GeneralAssembly/AGN68/Resolutions/AGN68RES2.asp) (1999),
CONDEMNS these attacks as cold-blooded mass murder;
CONSIDERS that they constitute a crime against humanity;
COMMENDS the General Secretariat for its swift and decisive response to the 11 September tragedy in establishing an immediate and permanent 24-hour capability to respond to all Interpol member countries’ needs;
HONOURS the memory of the law enforcement officers, firefighters, emergency workers and private citizens who selflessly gave their lives to save others;
SHARES in the grief of all those who have been touched by this tragedy and other tragedies caused by terrorism;
REITERATES its unwavering commitment to the 'Cairo Declaration against Terrorism' (AGN/67/RES/12 (http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/GeneralAssembly/AGN67/Resolutions/AGN67RES12.asp)) and calls for enhanced international police and judicial collaboration to tackle terrorism and organized crime more effectively, for example by exploring all opportunities to co-ordinate legal, judicial and operational approaches;
EMPHASIZES the importance of making full use of the services available through Interpol to secure the arrest of fugitive offenders, to improve information sharing between member countries, to develop analysis of the threat more effectively and to facilitate the timely sharing of good practice;
REQUESTS that the General Secretariat afford the highest priority to the issuance of Interpol Red Notices for terrorist offenders whose arrest is sought by member countries and to accelerate the creation of an international database of counterfeit, forged and stolen identity documents;
URGES member countries to develop robust systems for the monitoring of suspicious financial transactions linked to terrorist activities in order to improve the ability of competent authorities to freeze such assets and so disrupt the funding of terrorism;
SOLEMNLY PLEDGES that the Organization and each of its Members endorsing the present resolution will collaborate without reservation, to the fullest extent permitted by law, in identifying every individual who assisted in committing these acts and bringing those who were responsible for them to justice.

Adopted.



http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/GeneralAssembly/AGN70/Resolutions/AGN70RES5.asp

I have bolded the answer to your question. Maybe you should actually learn what happened in your own country before you ask any more silly questions.Once you have done so maybe you should get in touch with 186 countries that adopted the above resolution,tell them all about it and how you don't need their help or sympathy for that matter.

[tsig]

Speak for yourself, please.

On the other hand if Texas was swallowed up by the Great Inland Sea.....

I spent a decade in Texas one summer.

[MIKILLINI]

Well there you go. You learn something new about Nazis here everyday. Thanks for filling me in.

You still haven't made any convincing arguments concerning 9/11. Whens the "truthing" going to start?

[1337m4n]

There something I can do for you, LastChild?

If you don't like us, and you don't want to debate with us, what is it you're doing here?

[Tippit]

What’s the point of all this JREF pretend 9/11 debunking? It is my opinion that some here are nothing more then right wing apologist exploiting 9/11 conspiracy in a lame attempt of neo-con spin for the failure to protect America on 9/11. Others I suspect may just have wannabe left wing gate keeper elitist envy. I don’t know what is worse them or the so-called experts and their pseudoskepticism. Theirs is a battle of bare assertions equivalent of proclaiming their own worthiness by purporting to see the emperor’s new physics while at the same time pretending the NISTian science is invisible to anyone who is either too stupid or not fit for his position. Filling out the crowd are just lame hanger-on groupie types shouting “yeah what he said!” from the dark.

The debunking attempts have been going since the very day of the suspicious events surrounding 9/11. Someone obviously thought these so-called “conspiracy theories” were enough of a threat that they needed and still need to be discredited at any cost. JREF debunkers can’t even fill a sub-forum at JREF. The debunking movement and its daily wishful thinking declarations of a dead Truth movement are nothing short of pathetic wishful pipe dream hoping that their homework assignment is finally fulfilled. So no. I'm probably not going to be nice to them. But then again I don’t really think about whether or not I’m being nice to them or not. I have no insecurities that my criticisms towards them may be invalid or unfounded. It’s all pretty obvious.


Characteristics of pseudo skeptics

The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.

Double standards in the application of criticism.

The making of judgments without full inquiry.

Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.

Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.

Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.

Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.

Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.

Making unsubstantiated counter-claims .

Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.
Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.

Well said.

[uk_dave]

Characteristics of pseudo skeptics.....



Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.



I Ron Eeee

[peteweaver]

Last Child, can we see some of this much vaunted evidence...

[SezMe]

The potential value of this thread from the OP onward was < 0. It has not lived up to its potential.

[pomeroo]

Why do you try and derail threads with subjects that aren't related to conspiracy theories?

I know no one will question your wisdom over that, so I won't bother asking it again.


I have no desire to derail this thread, although it was started by the vacuous LastChild. Your signature, however, is dishonest. Until I find a thread devoted specifically to dishonest signatures, I'll just have to mention it whenever it occurs to me.

[aggle-rithm]

Last Child, can we see some of this much vaunted evidence...

Sorry, he's fresh out. How about a little rhetoric with a side order of obfuscation?

[HawksFan]

Is it runny?

(obscure Monty Python reference)

[16.5]

Oh Yeah I remember. The time I linked to a site that had all the experts who believe the official version just like you who initially claimed the steel melted from jet fuel just like you probably also did? Yeah I remember that.

I didn't know those were NAZI beliefs. So how long have you been a NAZI?

Never mind. I let you get back to your crying wolf every time you're getting owned. You must be busy.

Catch ya later NAZI.

Well, you see Last Child, you were the one who linked us all to a web site that prominently relied upon known Holocaust Denier Eric Hufschmid. I did not link to that well known Neo-Nazi site nor did anyone else on this web site. In fact, you linked to that site twice in a single thread, even when it had pointed out to you that you were citing to a well known holocaust denier
site.

You cited to a web site extolling the research done buy your heroes like Eric Hufschmid.

And now you claim that we are Nazis for pointing this out to him? Because his neo-Nazi friends misquote and misconstrue others on their web site, suddenly those people are Nazis?

Silly, and sad. And Last Child claims to be “owning us.”

Sad.

[LastChild]

Well, you see Last Child, you were the one who linked us all to a web site that prominently relied upon known Holocaust Denier Eric Hufschmid. I did not link to that well known Neo-Nazi site nor did anyone else on this web site. In fact, you linked to that site twice in a single thread, even when it had pointed out to you that you were citing to a well known holocaust denier
site.

You cited to a web site extolling the research done buy your heroes like Eric Hufschmid.

And now you claim that we are Nazis for pointing this out to him? Because his neo-Nazi friends misquote and misconstrue others on their web site, suddenly those people are Nazis?

Silly, and sad. And Last Child claims to be “owning us.”

Sad.

Well you are the one who knows all about Nazi’s and their beliefs aren't you? I wasn't even smart enough to know who Eric Hufschmid was but you knew all about him and what he believes. You even knew how to spell his name when you spelled holocaust wrong. You’re some champion of holocaust victims aren’t you?

Do you spend a lot of time on this Nazi stuff do you? Are you obsessed like in Apt Pupil? LOL

How long have you had this fascination with Nazi's and Holocaust deniers? Is Nazi and Holocaust denier redundant? Let me know will you? You’re the expert.

[padragan]

Well you are the one who knows all about Nazi’s and their beliefs aren't you? I wasn't even smart enough to know who Eric Hufschmid was but you knew all about him and what he believes. You even knew how to spell his name when you spelled holocaust wrong. You’re some champion of holocaust victims aren’t you?

Do you spend a lot of time on this Nazi stuff do you? Are you obsessed like in Apt Pupil? LOL

How long have you had this fascination with Nazi's and Holocaust deniers? Is Nazi and Holocaust denier redundant? Let me know will you? You’re the expert.

Wow! All time low strawman if I ever saw one. Really, that was pathetic LC.

[16.5]

LC:

Yes, I will certainly let you know each and every time you claim that a neo-Nazi web site containing research conducted by holocaust deniers is authoritative. We will all let you know when you are parroting lies of neo-Nazis and other slime of the Earth.

I feel that you are truly sorry for having done that in the past, so I think we are making progress.

[MIKILLINI]

Well you are the one who knows all about Nazi’s and their beliefs aren't you? I wasn't even smart enough to know who Eric Hufschmid was but you knew all about him and what he believes. You even knew how to spell his name when you spelled holocaust wrong. You’re some champion of holocaust victims aren’t you?

Do you spend a lot of time on this Nazi stuff do you? Are you obsessed like in Apt Pupil? LOL

How long have you had this fascination with Nazi's and Holocaust deniers? Is Nazi and Holocaust denier redundant? Let me know will you? You’re the expert.

LC, in the midst of this emotionally immature rant, you have revealed how much of your research is lacking by not checking into your sources of information.

If you had done that, this kind of info would be known by you.

This indicates your "truthing" will never make any kind of convincing arguments since your source(s) of info is bogus.

[johnny karate]

To build on Mikillini's point, googling "Eric Hufschmid" offers his own website (http://www.erichufschmid.net/) as the first result, which features on its front page such lovely sentiments as:

Keep up the pressure on these Jews by exposing the Jewish involvement in 9/11...

and:
There is no anti-Semitism; there is only an awareness of a global Jewish crime network.


It took me all of 30 seconds to find this information.

[Par]

Well you are the one who knows all about Nazi’s and their beliefs aren't you? I wasn't even smart enough to know who Eric Hufschmid was but you knew all about him and what he believes. You even knew how to spell his name when you spelled holocaust wrong. You’re some champion of holocaust victims aren’t you? Do you spend a lot of time on this Nazi stuff do you? Are you obsessed like in Apt Pupil? LOL How long have you had this fascination with Nazi's and Holocaust deniers? Is Nazi and Holocaust denier redundant? Let me know will you? You’re the expert.


There are a few things worthy of note in the above post. LastChild is implying that:


Knowing about Nazism and holocaust deniers is somehow suspicious or perhaps morally comparable to actually being a Nazi or a holocaust denier.
Mistyping the word “holocaust” shows a person to be somehow insincere regarding their views on the holocaust.

Something else that bears highlighting is how LastChild is now attempting to turn the focus of the discussion away from the issue of him citing the work of neo-Nazis and onto the invented obsessions of fellow forum-member. In short, the subject is one with which he is unhappy, and so he is attempting to cause a distraction. Unfortunately for him, this gambit is so starkly obvious that it would be extremely unlikely if anyone were to be taken in by it.

[LastChild]

double

[LastChild]

There are a few things worthy of note in the above post. LastChild is implying that:


Knowing about Nazism and holocaust deniers is somehow suspicious or perhaps morally comparable to actually being a Nazi or a holocaust denier.
Mistyping the word “holocaust” shows a person to be somehow insincere regarding their views on the holocaust.

Something else that bears highlighting is how LastChild is now attempting to turn the focus of the discussion away from the issue of him citing the work of neo-Nazis and onto the invented obsessions of fellow forum-member. In short, the subject is one with which he is unhappy, and so he is attempting to cause a distraction. Unfortunately for him, this gambit is so starkly obvious that it would be extremely unlikely if anyone were to be taken in by it.

Yeah if it was true. But it's not. I never quoted anything by any Nazi or Eric Hufschmid. I'll leave that to the debunkers. Johnny Karate seems to already have taken it up. I quoted experts from the official version who claimed the steel melted from Jet Fuel and I backed up the one source with other links. One of the sites also had Hufschmid on it apparently pointing out the same thing. So what? If it's true I don't care if Hitler himself said it. Live with it.

How low do you have to be to use the holocaust to cry wolf and hide behind every time you're losing an argument? If you’re going to use this cowardly tactic I'm going to point it out every time. And if it's a derail I'm going to report it. So take your best shot.

And if some despicable person is going to exploit the holocaust for their own trivial need? At least try to spell it right. Every time. Don't be a complete pig.

[Par]

There are a few things worthy of note in the above post. LastChild is implying that:


Knowing about Nazism and holocaust deniers is somehow suspicious or perhaps morally comparable to actually being a Nazi or a holocaust denier.
Mistyping the word “holocaust” shows a person to be somehow insincere regarding their views on the holocaust.

Something else that bears highlighting is how LastChild is now attempting to turn the focus of the discussion away from the issue of him citing the work of neo-Nazis and onto the invented obsessions of fellow forum-member. In short, the subject is one with which he is unhappy, and so he is attempting to cause a distraction. Unfortunately for him, this gambit is so starkly obvious that it would be extremely unlikely if anyone were to be taken in by it.Yeah if it was true. But it's not. I never quoted anything by any Nazi or Eric Hufschmid...


Erroneous. You suggested that knowing about Nazism and holocaust deniers is somehow suspicious or perhaps morally comparable to actually being a Nazi or a holocaust denier; you further suggested that mistyping the word “holocaust” shows a person to be somehow insincere regarding their views on the holocaust; you also attempted to turn the focus of the discussion away from the point at issue and onto the invented obsessions of fellow forum-member.

These dishonesties are not dependent upon anything. Rather, they are objective; there is nothing conditional at play, and thus your “if” is perfectly invalid.

[kimota]

No, not really. It's the same sort of dimwitted childish whining that you always produce, and of course "Nazis" doesn't have an apostrophe in it ... so no, that post was as dumb as all your others.
Well there you go. You learn something new about Nazis here everyday. Thanks for filling me in.



...Nazi's...

Well, that memory span of a goldfish certainly goes towards explaining a lot.

[LastChild]

Well, that memory span of a goldfish certainly goes towards explaining a lot.

Well you can't expect me to be an expert on Nazis like you in one day.

[LastChild]

The potential value of this thread from the OP onward was < 0. It has not lived up to its potential.

Evidently it had enough potential to bury the original. It happens every time I do this.

[Par]

Well you can't expect me to be an expert on Nazis like you in one day.


Please refrain from implying that people are Nazis when they aren’t Nazis. It’s not very nice.

[Par]

Well you can't expect me to be an expert on Nazis like you in one day.


Further, I notice that you are still attempting to suggest that knowing about Nazism is somehow suspicious or perhaps morally comparable to actually being a Nazi. Creepy stuff.

(Such behaviour is, of course, hardly uncharacteristic. In fact, as I have explained in the past, you will usually continue to employ a given dishonesty or canard until it has been straightforwardly exposed as such around four or five times. (I say “usually” because it is not always the case. For instance, a few months ago you went through a phase of repeatedly attempting to shift the burden of proof, and it took perhaps upward of twenty separate expositions of the illegitimacy of the approach before you finally abandoned it.))

[LastChild]

Further, I notice that you are still attempting to suggest that knowing about Nazism is somehow suspicious or perhaps morally comparable to actually being a Nazi. Creepy stuff.

(Such behaviour is, of course, hardly uncharacteristic. In fact, as I have explained in the past, you will usually continue to employ a given dishonesty or canard until it has been straightforwardly exposed as such around four or five times. (I say “usually” because it is not always the case. For instance, a few months ago you went through a phase of repeatedly attempting to shift the burden of proof, and it took perhaps upward of twenty separate expositions of the illegitimacy of the approach before you finally abandoned it.))

I'm confused by this. Are you an expert at being dishonest or at fantasy?

[Par]

Are you an expert at being dishonest or at fantasy?


Your question represents a further attempt at distraction.

[1337m4n]

Nazi's

Who is this "Nazi" guy you speak of? He sounds like a real jerk.

Tell Nazi for me that I don't like him.

[LastChild]

Who is this "Nazi" guy you speak of? He sounds like a real jerk.

Tell Nazi for me that I don't like him.

Ask 16.5 he knows all of them.

[Par]

Ask 16.5 he knows all of them.


Exposición número tres!

I notice that you are still attempting to suggest that knowing about Nazism is somehow suspicious or perhaps morally comparable to actually being a Nazi.

[Blender Head]

I have no desire to derail this thread, although it was started by the vacuous LastChild. Your signature, however, is dishonest. Until I find a thread devoted specifically to dishonest signatures, I'll just have to mention it whenever it occurs to me.

Glad to hear that.

And now back to the bashing of LC.

[Dr Adequate]

Ask 16.5 he knows all of them. What a strange lie.

[Mince]

Does anyone but JREF still entertain the lie movement jokers?

[R.Mackey]

I don't know if we entertain them, but they sure entertain us. :Banane48:

[applecorped]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4306082185813713568

All truthers are self-loathing, self-centered scum. It is not about any of us, but at least JREFers represent the side of sincerity.

[applecorped]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLW0jKKRXMo

[MIKILLINI]

Exposición número tres!

I notice that you are still attempting to suggest that knowing about Nazism is somehow suspicious or perhaps morally comparable to actually being a Nazi.

By using LC's logic, it would mean the Joooos are also suspicious by knowing who nazi's are. :rolleyes:

[twinstead]

I'm confused by this. Are you an expert at being dishonest or at fantasy?

I'm not surprised you're confused by this. You are an expert at ignoring compelling evidence in favor of conjecture simply because it suits your ideology.

Now THAT'S confusing.

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

double
called Woody Allen yet?

[MarkCorrigan]

What a strange lie.

Yes, and it's also a strange insinuation.
According to this logic, I am a Marxist-Lenninist, because I know a lot about a number of them. I'm also a Stalinist, and a philosopher.

In addition, I'm a comedian, a painter, a musician....etc.

"Know a lot about a group = being a member or sypathiser of the group" does not follow.

[gc051360]

Knowing about Nazis = being a Nazi. Good stuff. Keep it coming.

[MarkCorrigan]

Ask 16.5 he knows all of them.

Ah, but does he know Nick Griffin? If not, I think by your logic I'm a bigger nazi than him. HA HA! I revel in my brownshirtedness!

Seriously, what the hell is this supposed to show, exactly?

[LastChild]

called Woody Allen yet?

No.

So when is your debut on to catch a predator?

[LastChild]

Yes, and it's also a strange insinuation.
According to this logic, I am a Marxist-Lenninist, because I know a lot about a number of them. I'm also a Stalinist, and a philosopher.

In addition, I'm a comedian, a painter, a musician....etc.

"Know a lot about a group = being a member or sypathiser of the group" does not follow.

You should really watch defending Nazis. Someone might get the wrong idea about you.

[LastChild]

Ah, but does he know Nick Griffin? If not, I think by your logic I'm a bigger nazi than him. HA HA! I revel in my brownshirtedness!

Seriously, what the hell is this supposed to show, exactly?

I don't know Nick Griffin. Is he a friend of yours?

[MarkCorrigan]

You should really watch defending Nazis. Someone might get the wrong idea about you.

The only "evidence" you have that he's a nazi is the fact he knows a lot about Nazis. Well I know a lot about Marxist-Leninists, does that make me one?

[LastChild]

Knowing about Nazis = being a Nazi. Good stuff. Keep it coming.

No not really but...

Obsessed with Nazis = Might have a problem

Anything else I can help you with let me know.

[MarkCorrigan]

I don't know Nick Griffin. Is he a friend of yours?

Good grief, it's like talking to a child.

No, I have never spoken to, nor even met Nick Griffin. He's the head of the BNP and while he refuses to admit it, a neo-nazi. His opinions are bigoted, racist and stir up hatred.

So, I know this man exists, since I take an active interest in British politics, going so far as to be a politics student, no less (although not soley Brit politics).

Does this make me a nazi?

[LastChild]

The only "evidence" you have that he's a nazi is the fact he knows a lot about Nazis. Well I know a lot about Marxist-Leninists, does that make me one?

You mean this isn't a two way street? Because if it's a one way it will be going my way. Watch you don't get rolled over now.

[MarkCorrigan]

You mean this isn't a two way street? Because if it's a one way it will be going my way. Watch you don't get rolled over now.

What now?

What the heck does this even MEAN?

[LastChild]

Good grief, it's like talking to a child.

No, I have never spoken to, nor even met Nick Griffin. He's the head of the BNP and while he refuses to admit it, a neo-nazi. His opinions are bigoted, racist and stir up hatred.

So, I know this man exists, since I take an active interest in British politics, going so far as to be a politics student, no less (although not soley Brit politics).

Does this make me a nazi?

I don't even know he exists. Does that make me a Nazi?

[MarkCorrigan]

I don't even know he exists. Does that make me a Nazi?

I know quite a bit about Nazis. I know of a number of them, and have, in a couple of cases, taken a great interest in their careers.

Am I a nazi?

[LastChild]

I know quite a bit about Nazis. I know of a number of them, and have, in a couple of cases, taken a great interest in their careers.

Am I a nazi?

What's the matter are you dumb?

Am I a Nazi?

[MarkCorrigan]

What's the matter are you dumb?

Am I a Nazi?

Why, exactly, would not knowing of an individuals existance make you a member of their group? I didn't answer the question because it was really a rather stupid one, aimed, as far as I can tell, in some insane way, at making out that I've accused you of being a nazi.

[LastChild]

Why, exactly, would not knowing of an individuals existance make you a member of their group? I didn't answer the question because it was really a rather stupid one, aimed, as far as I can tell, in some insane way, at making out that I've accused you of being a nazi.

Have you read the entire thread?

[MarkCorrigan]

Have you read the entire thread?

Oh, you mean the bit where it talks about where you quote someone you didn't know was a nazi and people told you that you were a nazi?

Why, exactly, is this relevant, unless you're being a petulant child by accusing others of being a nazi because they called you one?

Even if this had not occured in the way it did, insinuating or explicitly stating that someone is a nazi because they know a lot about nazis is what I am talking about.

So, I know a lot about nazis. Does this make me one?

[LastChild]

Oh, you mean the bit where it talks about where you quote someone you didn't know was a nazi and people told you that you were a nazi?

Please source where I quoted a Nazi. And not where someone claims I did. Source where you saw me quote a Nazi. Don't punk out now chump you came looking for me.

Why, exactly, is this relevant, unless you're being a petulant child by accusing others of being a nazi because they called you one?

Why was I called a Nazi? Why do you have a problem being called Nazi?

Even if this had not occured in the way it did, insinuating or explicitly stating that someone is a nazi because they know a lot about nazis is what I am talking about.

We'll be talking about what I want talk about Skippy. Watch those wheels now your just about under them.

So, I know a lot about nazis. Does this make me one?

I don't really know anything about them does that make me one?

Now source where I quoted a Nazi chump.

[MarkCorrigan]

Please source where I quoted a Nazi. And not where someone claims I did. Source where you saw me quote a Nazi. Don't punk out now chump you came looking for me.

Now source where I quoted a Nazi chump.
Did you or did you not quote Eric Hufschmid?

I'm not going to look through all of your posts to find this, nor am I stating that you absolutely DID quote a nazi, since I have not seen the post where you (apparently) quoted him.


Why was I called a Nazi? Why do you have a problem being called Nazi?
You were called a nazi because you (apparently) quoted Hufschmid as an authority. Am I saying you are a nazi if you did this? No. Am I calling you a nazi? No.


We'll be talking about what I want talk about Skippy. Watch those wheels now your just about under them.
Why, exactly, do you get the option to squirm out of answering questions you don't like? Since when does my asking a simple question equate to you being able to derail the conversation?


I don't really know anything about them does that make me one?
No. Not knowing about nazis does not make you a nazi. Once again, I am not calling you a nazi, I am asking why you accused someone of being a nazi simply because they knew a lot about nazi individuals and beliefs.

[LastChild]

Did you or did you not quote Eric Hufschmid?

I'm not going to look through all of your posts to find this, nor am I stating that you absolutely DID quote a nazi, since I have not seen the post where you (apparently) quoted him.

So you didn't see me quote him? hmmmm? Why did I apparently quote him?

To answer your question. No I did not.

You were called a nazi because you (apparently) quoted Hufschmid as an authority. Am I saying you are a nazi if you did this? No. Am I calling you a nazi? No.

Wrong. This is not apparent. This is not why I was called a Nazi. Go back and read dummy. Feeling those wheels? Are you smart enough?

Why, exactly, do you get the option to squirm out of answering questions you don't like? Since when does my asking a simple question equate to you being able to derail the conversation?

Why do you or any other coward here get the option to sling mud based on absolutely nothing?

No. Not knowing about nazis does not make you a nazi. Once again, I am not calling you a nazi, I am asking why you accused someone of being a nazi simply because they knew a lot about nazi individuals and beliefs.

Try reading before you commit yourself to something. See why you believe nonsense about 9/11? Have you learned anything here today junior?

Now if I hear anymore crap about Nazi directed at me from you or any other cowards I'm not going to respond. I'm just going to report the derail.


Shhhhhhhh now be quiet.

[MarkCorrigan]

So you didn't see me quote him? hmmmm? Why did I apparently quote him?

To answer your question. No I did not.



Wrong. This is not apparent. This is not why I was called a Nazi. Go back and read dummy. Feeling those wheels? Are you smart enough?



Why do you or any other coward here get the option to sling mud based on absolutely nothing?



Try reading before you commit yourself to something. See why you believe nonsense about 9/11? Have you learned anything here today junior?

Now if I hear anymore crap about Nazi directed at me from you or any other cowards I'm not going to respond. I'm just going to report the derail.


Shhhhhhhh now be quiet.
So it gets reported and goes. Fair enough, but hey, you'll get to see it first.

I am not arguing anything to do with you quoting or not quoting a nazi. Similarly I am in no way refering to you or anyone else as being a nazi, and I have stated this already. I do not care if you're a nazi, a communist, a raelian or anything else. It doesn't matter, because it has no bearing on what I am asking.

Why do you accuse someone of being a nazi because they know a lot about nazis?

Do not derail the topic.

I know a lot about nazis. Am I a nazi, yes or no?

[16.5]

God, is Last child still throwing this tantrum?

Unbelievable.

Fact: Last child linked to a Neo Nazi website quoting Eric Hufschmid, twice.
Fact: I pointed out that Last child was linking to a site quoting known holocaust denier Eric Hufschmid (and apparently mis-typed it at some point ^^rolls eyes^^)
Fact: Last Child claimed not to know who Eric Hufschmid was
Fact: Last child went into a full-blown tantrum, and began reporting everyone who pointed out that he linked to a site quoting Eric Hufschmid.
Fact: after reporting several people by falsely claiming that they were calling him a Nazi, he is now calling virtually everyone on this site a Nazi.

He is an admitted Troll, his threads are almost auto-assigned to AAH, and over the last couple days, his posts have been filled with nothing but insults of the most juvenile sort.

Anyway, hey Hufschmid fan, a piece of advice: when you are at the bottom of a deep hole, stop digging.

[Nick Terry]

LastChild, have you finished formal education yet?

[Par]

Now source where I quoted a Nazi chump.


All Nazis are chumps.

[fuelair]

LastChild will return after a few brief commercials. Or 3 days or so.

[LashL]

LastChild will return after a few brief commercials. Or 3 days or so.

I guess that answers his OP query, "Should I be a little nicer..."

:D

[Bobert]

HAHAHAHAHA LC!
http://www.youfailed.net/failed_1.jpg

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

no. he didn't fail. he will be back.

[Bananaman]

The sad thing is, Lastchild claimed in one of his recent posts to be over the age of 40. Well, he said he had a job in 1969 or some date similar. It's just boggling that not only is this person not under the age of 20, but apparently has a full set of grey hairs. Could even be bald; I won't speculate.

But if he is 40+ and he lived next to you, and you saw him emptying his dustbin a couple of times a week in the drive, and you said 'hi' and exchanged a couple of words with him...

How long would it take you to realise he's a moron?

I think that's quite an interesting question.

Bananaman (who awaits child's jibes, but won't lose too much sleep over them.)

Please keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks to argue your point.

[fuelair]

May be a moron on the basics but faster than many with a back-attack that makes sense (not the factual stuff, the direct personal hit stuff).

[Magenta]

May be a moron on the basics but faster than many with a back-attack that makes sense (not the factual stuff, the direct personal hit stuff).


A master baiter?

Sorry, I tried but failed to resist the temptation.

[fuelair]

A master baiter?

Sorry, I tried but failed to resist the temptation.

Never resist the temptation - keeps post count up and you might win pith one day!!!:)

[Corsair 115]

Find that 100,000 - 300,000 barrels of oil a day missing from Iraq yet? Have you proven it's missing yet? Have you proven that there exists some sort of phantom black market for petroleum? Have you proven there are phantom black market petroleum refineries yet?

[mrbaracuda]

I suppose it were these witty remarks like this

What's the matter are you dumb?

Am I a Nazi?

that brought the brave soldier for truth eventually down. :rolleyes:

But if he is 40+ and he lived next to you, and you saw him emptying his dustbin a couple of times a week in the drive, and you said 'hi' and exchanged a couple of words with him...

How long would it take you to realise he's a moron?

I think that's quite an interesting question.

Indeed and I can see how that would go.

"Hey there neighbour!"
"9/11 was an inside job. Ever heard of this chump called Erif Hufschmid?"
"Nah. Isn't he a Nazi?"
"Are you saying I'm a Naz'i?"
"A what? No, I'm not but Hufschmid is I heard."
"Am I a Nazi chump?"
"Uh well I forgot to turn off the oven, bye."
"May the truth be with you, Nazi!"

;)

[LastChild]

The sad thing is, Lastchild claimed in one of his recent posts to be over the age of 40. Well, he said he had a job in 1969 or some date similar. It's just boggling that not only is this person not under the age of 20, but apparently has a full set of grey hairs. Could even be bald; I won't speculate.

Wow? I said I had a job in 1969? Yup that was me. I set up shop down the street from the WTC construction shining shoes in my Our Gang outfit. Just me Stymie and Petey the dog. Holy Mackerel.

But if he is 40+ and he lived next to you, and you saw him emptying his dustbin a couple of times a week in the drive, and you said 'hi' and exchanged a couple of words with him...

I don't know if this is a math problem for you, A reading comprehension problem, or maybe you're smoking something the size of a banana Bananaman?

How long would it take you to realise he's a moron?

How long did it take you to work out that math? You're not planning on taking the SAT's are you Bananabrains?

I think that's quite an interesting question.

Indeed. -400 math, -375 reading?

Bananaman (who awaits child's jibes, but won't lose too much sleep over them.)

I’ll bet. You would have to understand them to lose sleep over them.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:U3cgj2HTgqiRkM:http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/87/70/22197087.jpg

Do not use personal attack or insults and do hotlink images.

[Dr Adequate]

LastChild is BACK! And he's ANGRY!

Business as usual, carry on.

[MIKILLINI]

LastChild is BACK! And he's ANGRY!

Business as usual, carry on.

Yep. We're still waiting for the "truthin" to start.

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

what will he brings us this time?