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billydkid
3rd October 2003, 04:53 PM
Does GW really have a "prayer team"? If so, man, that is pretty terrifying. It scares me in general having a born again as the commander in chief. I guess we'd all just better cross our fingers and hope that the almighty doesn't tell GW to attack the Frenchies and Germans next time he's speaking to George's heart. Have you ever noticed the language that Oral and Jimmy Swaggart and the rest of those guys use in order to get around sounding completely out of their gourds? God "spoke to my heart". God is always just "speaking to their hearts" (whatever the h*ll that means) so they they don't have to sound nut because God is speaking to their ears. The fact that they use such language tells me that they are very careful not to go over the line to such an extent that even their followers start to look askance.

Abdul Alhazred
3rd October 2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by billydkid
Does GW really have a "prayer team"? If so, man, that is pretty terrifying...

Where did you hear this?

I'm surely no fan of W, but I never heard such a thing.

References please? I'm not yet saying you're all wet, but give me something. We're skeptics, right?

Vorticity
3rd October 2003, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred
Where did you hear this?

I'm surely no fan of W, but I never heard such a thing.

References please? I'm not yet saying you're all wet, but give me something. We're skeptics, right?
Their web page:

http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/

According to their Q&A:

"Is this effort affiliated with any political party, elected official or governmental agency? No. The Presidential Prayer Team is a spiritual movement of the American people which is not affiliated with any political party or official. It gains no direction or support, official or unofficial, from the current administration, from any agency of the government or from any political party, so that it may be free and unencumbered to equally serve the prayer needs of all current and future leaders of our great nation."

Abdul Alhazred
3rd October 2003, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Vorticity

Their web page:

http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/

According to their Q&A:

"Is this effort affiliated with any political party, elected official or governmental agency? No. The Presidential Prayer Team is a spiritual movement of the American people which is not affiliated with any political party or official. It gains no direction or support, official or unofficial, from the current administration, from any agency of the government or from any political party, so that it may be free and unencumbered to equally serve the prayer needs of all current and future leaders of our great nation."

OK. Checked out the website. They are screwballs for sure, but no evidence that the president actually put them up to this. If he did it would be plenty scary, but I don't see it.

Instead, at least until proven otherwise, I take the position that these are screwballs who like the president but are rather an embarassment to him, assuming he even knows about them.

I claim no ability to read the president's mind, but in his public pronoucements he's been toning down the specific religious stuff. And saying "God bless America" and the like doesn't count, all presidents have done that in my lifetime, more's the pity.

FFed
3rd October 2003, 07:01 PM
I was doing a search for this team and I came across "The Presidential Prayer Squad".
http://www.whitehouse.org/dof/prayer.asp

A few quotes from the website.

This is the Presidential Prayer team. Rev. Pat Robertson, Dr. Jerry Falwell, Rev. Bob Jones Jr., Pastor Deacon Fred, Brother Harry Hardwick, President George W. Bush, and the Lord Jesus Christ (who invisibly attends, legs crossed and dangling over the side of the Resolute desk),

"It just makes sense to me," he says, "to start each day by taking matters of national security to an invisible man named Jesus who lives on a cloud in a place so darn rich their Department of Transportation has done all their roads in gold. And no matter what Jesus inspires me to say, Jesus always ends up agreeing with it - which, I guess, kind of makes sense now that I think about it." The President is concerned that there are millions of people in the world who picked the wrong God.


The Presidential Prayer Squad also works as an evangelistic group, forcibly distributing official "Prayer Squad Prayer Cards" (available below) to White House visitors.

And suddenly my government looks a hell of a lot better to me.

Goshawk
3rd October 2003, 08:16 PM
Er, you're aware that that's a satirical website, yes?

I knew you did. :D

FFed
3rd October 2003, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by Goshawk
Er, you're aware that that's a satirical website, yes?

I knew you did. :D

Actually no. I have never seen nor heard of it before.
Guess I am just an idiot.

Abdul Alhazred
3rd October 2003, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by FFed


Actually no. I have never seen nor heard of it before.
Guess I am just an idiot.

Don't feel so bad. I was taken in too, though I didn't figure the prez was in on it. And I'm real smart, I promise. :rub:

BTW, do you agree with me that this ==>>:rub: is just too damn cutesy-poo? :p

Blue Monk
4th October 2003, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by billydkid
Have you ever noticed the language that Oral and Jimmy Swaggart and the rest of those guys use in order to get around sounding completely out of their gourds? God "spoke to my heart". God is always just "speaking to their hearts" (whatever the h*ll that means) so they they don't have to sound nut because God is speaking to their ears.

What I want to know is why is it everytime God 'speaks to their hearts' it ends up sounding like they are 'talking out of their *ss?'

billydkid
4th October 2003, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred


Where did you hear this?

I'm surely no fan of W, but I never heard such a thing.

References please? I'm not yet saying you're all wet, but give me something. We're skeptics, right?

I just picked it up from Randi's latest commentary. That's why I asked.

UnrepentantSinner
4th October 2003, 10:41 PM
I love the "seal."

https://my.presidentialprayerteam.org/cgi-etc/images_01.jpg

It cuts off a little, but the bottom reads "One nation under God."