Roy attacked by tiger [Archive]

4th October 2003, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by MoeFaux
All I know is, he should be all right.
It got the major arteries in his neck. But, he should be okay.

I somehow think that if it did that he would have bled out long before help could have arrived.

It must have been an accident and not an attack. If it were an attack he wouldn't have a neck left.

Pity. Those guys very over-the-top-edness makes them enjoyable. Sorta like Liberache, who I also liked. Let me hasten to add that I liked him in a firm, manly, way ... I mean a manly, hetrosexual way, I mean we only talked contact sports, nothing gay. I mean we talked football, no not football, wine spritzers and push up bras ............Arrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh .....

zakur

4th October 2003, 06:35 AM

Several years ago one of their tigers attacked and killed another in their enclosure at the Mirage in Las Vegas, which is in full view of the casino floor. Needless to say, some of the casino-goers were disturbed by the incident.

Tricky

4th October 2003, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by zakur
Several years ago one of their tigers attacked and killed another in their enclosure at the Mirage in Las Vegas, which is in full view of the casino floor. Needless to say, some of the casino-goers were disturbed by the incident.
... while others never paused from plugging money into the slots.

Supercharts

4th October 2003, 07:27 AM

The Tiger
William Blake

Tiger, tiger, burning bright,
In the forest of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder, and what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
When thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand forged thy dread feet?

What the hammer? What the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? What dread grasp
Dared its deadly terrors clasp?

When the stars threw down their spears
And watered heaven with their tears,
Did He smile his work to see?
Did He who made the lamb make thee?

Tiger, tiger, burning bright,
In the forest of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

[Challenge!!! Could someone rewrite this and bring it up to date?]

:wink8:

Cain

4th October 2003, 07:28 AM

http://www.ellentonrag.com/photos/images/oops.jpg

Not a very good paint job, but still funny in a morbid way. Let's hope Roy is alright.

JamesM

4th October 2003, 07:28 AM

MoeFaux

4th October 2003, 10:38 AM

Here's the article from the Las Vegas Review Journal:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Oct-04-Sat-2003/news/22302613.html

It was very serious, this isn't just media hype. I havnen't heard any other news, but I'll post it when I get it.

Evolver

4th October 2003, 01:21 PM

...and he tasted like chicken.

arcticpenguin

4th October 2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Cain
http://www.ellentonrag.com/photos/images/oops.jpg

Not a very good paint job, but still funny in a morbid way. Let's hope Roy is alright.
My that was in bad taste. I laughed my a__ off.

schplurg

4th October 2003, 03:09 PM

http://www.ellentonrag.com/photos/images/oops.jpg

Not a very good paint job, but still funny in a morbid way. Let's hope Roy is alright.
Even without the tasteless aspect it still isn't funny (I'd laugh if it was, I'm not that stuffy). Not very witty, so I'll guess you made it yourself?

4th October 2003, 04:02 PM

Well, I'm glad that Roy is fine.

I'd wonder what happened in this accident, since I haven't yet seen any press coverage.

I think that S&R both know very well they are working with strong, dangerous animals, so I think some of the moralizing here is just silly.

MoeFaux

4th October 2003, 08:13 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/04/roy.attacked/index.html

It's very bad. I talked to some Vegas folks and it doesn't look good.

Charlie Monoxide

4th October 2003, 08:25 PM

Well, I'm glad that Roy is fine.
I agree. This is a little OT, but are those two guys related or gay? They seem to make a loverly couple.

Charlie (get well Roy and avoid pussy for a little while) Monoxide

4th October 2003, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by MoeFaux
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/04/roy.attacked/index.html

It's very bad. I talked to some Vegas folks and it doesn't look good.

The last time of a status report on his health was last night.

Any idea what the status is now? He was concious when they took him away, was there some complication? Blood clots?

MoeFaux

4th October 2003, 08:40 PM

His status is under wraps right now.
All I'll say is that they probably won't perform again.
It's very bad. Let's not joke about this anymore. :(

4th October 2003, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by MoeFaux
His status is under wraps right now.
All I'll say is that they probably won't perform again.
It's very bad. Let's not joke about this anymore. :(

I don't think that the situation is funny! ??

But "won't perform again" suggests a very serious outcome, medically, I'd think. :(

kittynh

4th October 2003, 10:02 PM

Oh I feel so sad. Those guys ARE Vegas. Plus, they really love their animals and I had heard they did a lot to promote conservation with the wild cats. I also think what a thrill they must have given so many people, their first "up close" view of these amazing animals. when I was growing up in DC I loved the white tigers the best (this was pre Pandas). I always loved to go visit "my tigers" (the zoo is free, at least I hope it still is!). So hoping things turn out well.

MoeFaux

4th October 2003, 10:06 PM

Penn is talking about it on CNN right now.

peptoabysmal

4th October 2003, 10:13 PM

One report I heard on the radio said that the big cat shook Roy like a toy rag doll.

That's one thing about the big cats, they will always be true wild animals under the hood. You can't really ever make pets out of them.

MoeFaux

4th October 2003, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide

I agree. This is a little OT, but are those two guys related or gay? They seem to make a loverly couple.

Charlie (get well Roy and avoid pussy for a little while) Monoxide

They were together at the beginning of their career together for a few years. They haven't been a couple for a very, very long time. They're not each others type.

kittynh

4th October 2003, 10:18 PM

Oh, I just saw Penn on tv. I started to cry. Is there anyplace we can send a card ? I know that sounds hokey, but really those guys love the big cats, and I for one would love to have seen their show. CNN showed them letting people in the audience pet a baby white tiger, I would so have love to have done that! I only hope for the best for Roy.

kitsune

4th October 2003, 10:21 PM

Geez, that sucks.

Unfortunately, it even happens to the very best people who own large cats. I'm sorry to hear of such a horrific attack.

I certainally hope that Roy is able to recover from his injuries, and lead a normal life, and I hope that he will be able to work around his beloved tigers without fear or pain.

:(

reprise

4th October 2003, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
One report I heard on the radio said that the big cat shook Roy like a toy rag doll.

That's one thing about the big cats, they will always be true wild animals under the hood. You can't really ever make pets out of them.

Well gee, while we first understand the siz eof these cats (they are not little) and we then try to force them to perform at LV.

I'm only a dog trainer. Not ever, EVER, would I have turned my back on a dog let alone a wild cat.

I'm kind of guessng that the record will show that one of the audience members provoked the tiger. Isn't it great that Canadian people who can't even sing get top billing.

Pardon mewhile I vomit after every illusionist on this planet including Randi tells me why this was the tigers fault.

FFS, even Wayne Newton no longer plays Vegas voluntarily.

MoeFaux

4th October 2003, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
Oh, I just saw Penn on tv. I started to cry. Is there anyplace we can send a card ? I know that sounds hokey, but really those guys love the big cats, and I for one would love to have seen their show. CNN showed them letting people in the audience pet a baby white tiger, I would so have love to have done that! I only hope for the best for Roy.

The S&R page is running very slow right now as it's being barraged with hits. You may be able to get through and get the contact information from there, or you can contact the Mirage directly.
If all else fails, I can forward mail for them to the P&T office to be delivered.

It's very bad. They're not releasing anything about it other than what Penn said on CNN, but there's a lot more to it than that.

I never did see the show. I lived in Vegas three years and never saw it. I was supposed to go with another magicain eventually. It just won't happen now. It's a very bad time right now for Vegas.

MoeFaux

4th October 2003, 10:33 PM

Okay, here's the address the S&R page lists:

Frank H. Lieberman
Siegfried & Roy Public Relations
4187 Pleasant Rd.
Las Vegas, NV 89108

It would be very kind to send your words of support to them.

reprise

4th October 2003, 10:44 PM

Mo, what happened is really horrible, but I don't believe for a minute that the illusionist involved did not recognise the risks they were taking.

Until someone answers, I will keep asking the question of how this illusion SHOULD have worked. It wasn't magic and no-one believed that it was. Something went very, VERY wrong, and I will harrass every single illusionist I know until we find out what "should" have happened and what went wrong.

I don't place much credibility on the footage which is already online but I sure as heck want know why the paid security people weren't carrying loaded, live ammo guns in a "will carry" state. Are people who live in Nevada and carry weapons absolute FWs?

MoeFaux

4th October 2003, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by reprise
Mo, what happened is really horrible, but I don't believe for a minute that the illusionist involved did not recognise the risks they were taking.

Until someone answers, I will keep asking the question of how this illusion SHOULD have worked. It wasn't magic and no-one believed that it was. Something went very, VERY wrong, and I will harrass every single illusionist I know until we find out what "should" have happened and what went wrong.

I don't place much credibility on the footage which is already online but I sure as heck want know why the paid security people weren't carrying loaded, live ammo guns in a "will carry" state. Are people who live in Nevada and carry weapons absolute FWs?

Oh no. They knew the danger every second. Yes, it's like a race car driver, or, as Penn said on CNN, they're astronauts. They knew the danger and they still did it. We cannot be shocked by this. They're working with deadly animals and that means there's always a very real danger. I suppose the only surprise is that this is the first and only accident they've had since 1957, when they started working together.

It wasn't an illusion that they were doing in the show, it was just presenting. He was just walking the tiger out as he did every show. The tiger has been working with them for the past 6 years. The tiger was just being a tiger. That's all it was.

reprise

4th October 2003, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by MoeFaux

Oh no. They knew the danger every second. Yes, it's like a race car driver, or, as Penn said on CNN, they're astronauts. They knew the danger and they still did it. We cannot be shocked by this. They're working with deadly animals and that means there's always a very real danger. I suppose the only surprise is that this is the first and only accident they've had since 1957, when they started working together.

It wasn't an illusion that they were doing in the show, it was just presenting. He was just walking the tiger out as he did every show. The tiger has been working with them for the past 6 years. The tiger was just being a tiger. That's all it was.

Sorry Mo, I sound like I'm being a bitch here. All I'm trying to do is defend the tiger against the people who are saying that the tiger behaved abnormally. Tigers are big. They are actually quite huge. I do understand that some of the Vegas tricks are very well done illusions. I thought that this might be one of those illusions gone wrong.

From what I have read - and I trust the magicians on this messageboard far more than CNN - something went wrong. You - and Penn & Teller - are all saying that it wasn't meant to be an illusion in the first place. I know that some of you WERE there and I'm asking you as magicians what went wrong.

I know that the casinos in Vegas record 24/7. I don't beleive for a minute that they would have been able to pick up deception on the gaming floors and not be able to produce the tapes of this particular incident.

I'm already disappointed by Randi's response to the YB ********. I'm absoutely horrified at his lack of response to the tiger trick going wrong.

4th October 2003, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by reprise

I'm already disappointed by Randi's response to the YB ********.

He is obliged to be cautoius, Reprise.

I'm absoutely horrified at his lack of response to the tiger trick going wrong.

HOW DO YOU KNOW HE HASN'T RESPONDED?

Here is hardly the place an expert might respond.

Geeze louise!

MoeFaux

4th October 2003, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by reprise

I know that the casinos in Vegas record 24/7. I don't beleive for a minute that they would have been able to pick up deception on the gaming floors and not be able to produce the tapes of this particular incident.

I'm already disappointed by Randi's response to the YB ********. I'm absoutely horrified at his lack of response to the tiger trick going wrong.

You're upset that Randi hasn't commented on it yet? Maybe he just doesn't know about it or doesn't know what to say. Don't jump on him for that. Where would he respond? Is CNN supposed to have every magicain on talking about this?

And as for a tape of the incedent. I don't know what the Mirage's procedures are, but the shows I'm familiar with don't record every night. I would be very surprised to see a tape of the incedent. I don't think there is one.
It's a show. It's the same show, every night, like clockwork. Maybe since they use such dangerous animals they have different backstage procedures, but I haven't a clue.

I don't think you're being a bitch, I only think that you might be misunderstanding.

Again, I'll say, they were working with killers. They knew it. I posted in the other Roy thread about my tiger experience, and they're just killer muscle. That's all they are. Just muscle and teeth. They're beautiful animals and S&R did great work with them, but there wasn't any wool pulled over anyones eyes. If he were doing a show with bunnies, it would be different. (It would be a scene out of The Holy Grail). But, a tiger is a tiger.

peptoabysmal

5th October 2003, 12:26 AM

I was able to find more detail on the story in The Las Vegas Sun (http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/2003/oct/04/100409698.html)

edited to add:

Quick thinking on someone's part to use fire extinguishers to distract the tiger and free Roy.

!Xx+-Rational-+xX!

5th October 2003, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by reprise

Sorry Mo, I sound like I'm being a bitch here. All I'm trying to do is defend the tiger against the people who are saying that the tiger behaved abnormally. Tigers are big. They are actually quite huge. I do understand that some of the Vegas tricks are very well done illusions. I thought that this might be one of those illusions gone wrong.

From what I have read - and I trust the magicians on this messageboard far more than CNN - something went wrong. You - and Penn & Teller - are all saying that it wasn't meant to be an illusion in the first place. I know that some of you WERE there and I'm asking you as magicians what went wrong.

I know that the casinos in Vegas record 24/7. I don't beleive for a minute that they would have been able to pick up deception on the gaming floors and not be able to produce the tapes of this particular incident.

I'm already disappointed by Randi's response to the YB ********. I'm absoutely horrified at his lack of response to the tiger trick going wrong.

I find your avatar of someone touching a rat in inappropriate ways offensive, you should consider removing it before you offend more people with rat molestation and for the sake of my poor virgin eyes!

MoeFaux

5th October 2003, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by traveller

I find your avatar of someone touching a rat in inappropriate ways offensive, you should consider removing it before you offend more people with rat molestation and for the sake of my poor virgin eyes!

:tr:

5th October 2003, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by MoeFaux

:tr:

We need one of those signs that says "Sure looks like it, Moe"

!Xx+-Rational-+xX!

5th October 2003, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by MoeFaux

:tr:

Maybe but I bring up a valid point on this one!

Some Friggin Guy

5th October 2003, 01:31 AM

Getting back on subject ofr a minute...

Does anyone have anymore updates? I hate to sound morbid, but I have a reason for wanting to know.

I am wanting to make sure he survives. There is a radio host down here that I heard (while passing the channel on scan and could not get back to the channel, nor do I know who it was) he actually said on the air that this happened becasue god was punishing him for being gay. (I would have put this response in the religion forum, but there was nothing about this incident in that forum.)

I want to somehow let Roy know that regardless of the unfeeling people in this world, most of us are pulling for him.

MoeFaux

5th October 2003, 01:52 AM

It's not good. We'll know the final outcome in a few days.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/05/roy.attacked/index.html

They're saying he's communicating, that he gave a thumbs up, but it may just be rumor. It's very bad.

Some Friggin Guy

5th October 2003, 02:27 AM

Moe, I don't know if you have access to him or anyone close to him, but please let anyone who may need to know that I will be passing that address out on my internet radio show. I don't have many listeners, but I'm fairly sure they pass along their hopes on this.

kittynh

5th October 2003, 09:01 AM

Thanks for the address Moe. I'm sure that Roy doesn't blame the tiger! I only have regular cats. I had one cat that was my baby. I bottle fed her as a kitten. She followed me everywhere. She slept next to my head at night. She would understand what I said, and I understood what her various cries meant. We were so close. And then one day a dog showed up. She ran to me, and I was picking her up to take her in, and she went balistic on me! Stitches and all (the dog wasn't even being agressive). I was like, "what the fcuk?" (no not the clothing store....) This wasn't a baby, it was a WILD ANIMAL! It wasn't her fault. But, I never quite looked at her the same way again....

MoeFaux

5th October 2003, 09:55 AM

Hi guys,
Here's an article that was in the Las Vegas Review Journal this morning:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Oct-05-Sun-2003/news/22305515.html

Roy's condition is still very hush-hush. It's very bad.
The people around him know what's up, and I've heard from them, and I'm sure you can guess what's up from the secrecy of it and from the information they're willing to realease.
Penn did the Today show at 5 this morning. Siegfried asked him to be the voice about a lot of this, because no one closely involved with the show is able to bring themself to talk about it.
It's very sad. I don't know how this will affect Vegas, but I know that to me, the town won't be the same if that S&R marquee isn't up there on the Strip.

MoeFaux

5th October 2003, 05:26 PM

Okay guys, if you have something like you'd like to have reach Roy now, you can send it the the UMC medical center on Charleston in Las Vegas.
I guess they're talking about it more now. He had a stroke during surgerey, they had to resusitate him, and if he survives, he'll have brain and spinal cord damage. You can sense how heavy it is from that.

5th October 2003, 05:31 PM

What actually happened?

Silicon

5th October 2003, 05:42 PM

You know, Sigfried and Roy were fun to make fun of and all, for their over-the-top glam-cheezieness...

But I'm realizing now that they have my respect. They're showmen, in the best tradition. Bless them for dedicating themselves to the enjoyment of others.

Here's to Roy, my thoughts are with you. Pull through for us, buddy. People believe in you.

Cain

5th October 2003, 05:44 PM

I want to say something important. It might not be directly related to this topic, but it's a very serious issue that all of us as citizens in democratic states need to earnestly ponder in private and thoughtfully discuss in public. If we outlaw tigers, then only outlaws will have tigers.

EvilYeti

5th October 2003, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Ed
What actually happened?

Roy was parading a tiger around on a leash during a show. The tiger refused to sit on command and then grabbed Roy's arm in it's mouth.

Roy panicked and started beating the tigers head with his microphone. The tiger let go of the arm, chomped Roy on the neck and dragged him off stage.

peptoabysmal

5th October 2003, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by kittynh
Thanks for the address Moe. I'm sure that Roy doesn't blame the tiger! I only have regular cats. I had one cat that was my baby. I bottle fed her as a kitten. She followed me everywhere. She slept next to my head at night. She would understand what I said, and I understood what her various cries meant. We were so close. And then one day a dog showed up. She ran to me, and I was picking her up to take her in, and she went balistic on me! Stitches and all (the dog wasn't even being agressive). I was like, "what the fcuk?" (no not the clothing store....) This wasn't a baby, it was a WILD ANIMAL! It wasn't her fault. But, I never quite looked at her the same way again....

Surgeon General's Warning:
Rapping your pussy sharply on the snout with a microphone may educe an analogous riposte.

subgenius

6th October 2003, 12:32 AM

There are issues regarding using wild animals for entertainment that aren't being addressed. And this is probably not the rational time to do it.
There is a 59 year old critically injured. My hopes are with him and his loved ones. Its flipping amazing that, as ill advised it is for anyone to deal with wild animals in any context, that this was someone who is of an age that is usually considering retirement. He and Seigfried, who is considerably older are incredibly courageous (naive?) individuals.
My opinion is that these acts, apart from the animal welfare aspect, are only a draw, like auto racing, etc., if there is the occasional disaster. They are only fascinating because they are dangerous. If there isn't the occasional disaster, then they aren't really dangerous. Like racing fans the draw is the occasional crash. Would be no fun if they went around the track at safe speeds.
To me, its not entertainment. Its a blood sport, and the audience is waiting for blood.
I like comedies.
I don't like Quentin Tarantino (among others) movies for the same reason. I don't find violence entertaining.

Doesn't diminish my hopes that this (59 year old) man survives.

6th October 2003, 04:36 AM

Originally posted by Cain
I want to say something important. It might not be directly related to this topic, but it's a very serious issue that all of us as citizens in democratic states need to earnestly ponder in private and thoughtfully discuss in public. If we outlaw tigers, then only outlaws will have tigers.

How true. And this shows that Tigers are more of a threat to their owners than anyone else.

It has now been proven that maulings are directly related to the availability of Tigers.

6th October 2003, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by peptoabysmal

Surgeon General's Warning:
Rapping your pussy sharply on the snout with a microphone may educe an analogous riposte.

:eek:

6th October 2003, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by EvilYeti

chomped Roy on the neck and dragged him off stage.

:jaw: OMG

Clancie

6th October 2003, 06:08 AM

Maybe I shouldn't say this, but from what I've read, its seems like the doctors are using "extraordinary measures" as their protocol, no matter what, and that, like many doctors elsewhere, are going to refuse to let someone...go....if there's even the slightest chance of "saving" him, no matter what condition he'll be left in.

That's what I get from what we've been told by everyone so far. That Roy had to be resusitated during surgery, had a stroke during surgery, etc. etc. is really sad. I'm sorry to mention it, but reading this, I can't help wondering if anyone ever asks what the medical goal here really is at this point, or if everyone is just hoping "for a miracle", no matter what. It just doesn't sound good.

In 35 years its certainly pretty amazing that he's never been attacked while performing before, especially when you think of how quickly this happened (I'm surprised he would hit the tiger on the nose with the microphone. That doesn't sound like a "trainers signal"; is it? Maybe he just got careless for a moment, and forgot that, no matter what, a tiger will always be a wild animal).

I guess it would be easy to forget, because of the close relationship they have (apparently he even sleeps with some of them which much be quite a trip, but is also kind of mind boggling...)

zakur

6th October 2003, 08:04 AM

From E! Online (http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,12634,00.html?tnews):On stage alone, Horn introduced the sold-out audience of 1,500 to Montecore the tiger. As is his shtick, Horn announced that Montecore was making his stage debut. In reality, the big cat was a veteran of the show, and was, in the words of a source in the Review-Journal, "a favorite of most of the handlers."

But on Friday, Horn and Montecore experienced a nearly fatal failure to communicate.

"Roy tugged the tiger to get him into the middle of the stage, but the tiger didn't like that so much and came up and bumped him with his head," audience member Jonathan Cohen told the New York Post.

Horn responded by tapping Montecore with his microphone. Montecore responded by biting Horn in the arm. Horn tried to fight off the animal with his mic.

"Then the tiger just went for him," Cohen said in the Post. "He bit him in the neck and literally picked him up and dragged him [off the stage] as if he were a wild animal attacking his prey."

Away from confused audience members' sight lines, crew members sprayed the tiger with fire extinguishers. About five minutes after the attack, Fischbacher, 64, made it clear that what had transpired was not show business as usual. He announced the performance was canceled, and uttered "God bless Roy," before leaving the stage, per the Times.

Magic-busters Penn and Teller, current house act at Rio, were among the more than 100 Vegas performers who streamed into University Medical Center as word spread on the Strip of the attack.

"He's like an astronaut," Penn Gillette said of Horn in the Post. "He makes it look so easy. You forget it's life or death."

Horn, who has endured his share of scrapes that come with doing live shows, never before had experienced an on-stage injury at the paws or jaws of one of his babied animals.

"Roy is fearless...[But] he's always cognizant of the fact that anything can occur," Yuman said in the Review-Journal.

Horn was said to be breathing on a ventilator, but conscious, if sedated, and able to communicate with his doctors.

Montecore has been sent to his lair located behind the Secret Garden of Siegfried & Roy exhibit at the Mirage, the Review-Journal said.

kittynh

6th October 2003, 08:07 AM

In defense of NASCAR and tigers. I would go see the show fully expecting that NOTHING would ever happen and that any "danger" element was just "pretend". Remember, Roy told the audience that this was this tigers first time in the show, but the tiger had been doing this for 6 years - he was trying to make it sound dangerous. Me, I'd like to see the animals, and would think it sad they had to throw in the "danger" stuff, as everyone knows these animals were raised by them from babies and would never hurt them. Wrong on my part, but still, this was the first mauling!

As for Nascar, the people I know who watch it love the personalities (it's rather popular with women). Tony Stewart, I've only watched bits of NASCAR, never a whole race, but I know from my friend how he's the "Sexy, bad boy" of the sport. Another woman I know loves Mark Martin as he's a work out health food nut, and probably one of the most skilled drivers on the track. For a certain type of woman (not me, sorry) it's the guys. Now the fact that they do a dangerous sport where they could get killed, it just makes them more romantic - yick! However I dated a guy who did an extreme sport, and yeah, he was cool because he pushed the edge. What wasn't sexy was all that road rash, ick.

MoeFaux

6th October 2003, 08:43 AM

Randi just posted his thoughts on Roy in the Roy thread in Conjorer's Corner.

Cain

6th October 2003, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by Ed

How true. And this shows that Tigers are more of a threat to their owners than anyone else.

It has now been proven that maulings are directly related to the availability of Tigers.

Indeed. I'd only remind others that I'm talking about tigers and not Tigers. Of course, I suppose we could always point out that tigers don't kill people -- their claws and teeth do.

Valley_girl

6th October 2003, 01:45 PM

I heard something that really made me realize just how much S&R really care for their cats and respect them for being the wild animals that they are, all training aside. I heard that as Roy was being treated backstage and on the way to the hospital, he was repeatedly indicating (I don't know if he was speaking) that it was not the tiger's fault and was very distraught that the tiger may be blamed for the incident. He was adamant that the tiger not be held responsible.

peptoabysmal

6th October 2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by MoeFaux
Randi just posted his thoughts on Roy in the Roy thread in Conjorer's Corner.

Well I for one am extremely disappointed that Tony the Tiger hasn't released a press statement on this incident yet. What with Tony being the spokesperson er.. spokestiger for "Tiger Awareness".

nightwind

7th October 2003, 07:29 AM

Well, most all organisms have their breaking point. They take a whacking most of the time and don't do anything.

I know when I play with cats, you can just play fight with them, and lightly whack them a few times, before they whack you back. Fortunately, they don't weigh 600 lbs, and have the strength.

I would watch the tiger's behavior, but I don't think it needs to be put to death. This is a wild animal taken out of its natural environment, who has probably been whacked who knows how many times, without problem.

I would be a little more careful before I whacked this tiger again though.

Mr Manifesto

7th October 2003, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by EvilYeti

Roy was parading a tiger around on a leash during a show. The tiger refused to sit on command and then grabbed Roy's arm in it's mouth.

Roy panicked and started beating the tigers head with his microphone. The tiger let go of the arm, chomped Roy on the neck and dragged him off stage.

Boy, I bet that show was one to remember!

Mr Manifesto

7th October 2003, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Valley_girl
I heard something that really made me realize just how much S&R really care for their cats and respect them for being the wild animals that they are, all training aside. I heard that as Roy was being treated backstage and on the way to the hospital, he was repeatedly indicating (I don't know if he was speaking) that it was not the tiger's fault and was very distraught that the tiger may be blamed for the incident. He was adamant that the tiger not be held responsible.

He had his throat cut wide open. What was he using, sign language?