A Massive World-Wide Conspiracy

[Chaos]

I´ve been thinking...

Isn´t it weird that, whenever something even marginally significant happens somewhere, only a very small amount of time will pass before someone - usually many someones, independently (or maybe not - but I digress) of one another, come to the conclusion that "it was the jews who did this"?

Isn´t it weird that people who claim "it was the jews who did this" always, independently of one another, use the other instance of "it was the jews who did this" to prove (or, to provide what they consider proof) that it was the jews do it this time, as well?

Isn´t it weird that there never is any evidence outside other claims that do not have any outside evidence in their favor, either?

Isn´t it weird that, apparently, there are so many people all over the world who, independently of one another, figure out "the truth", no matter what their proposed world-wide jewish conspiracy does to conceal it?

Isn´t it weird that, apparently, there is no connection whatsoever between so many individuals and small groups who claim the same things, for the same reason, using the same tactics, about the same people?

Wouldn´t it make sense to assume that all those people are connected?

Wouldn´t it make even more sense to assume that there is someone feeding all these individuals and groups with what they should say, about whom they should say it, and what tactics they should use defending what they say?

Wouldn´t it explain quite a lot of things to assume that there is a massive world-wide conspiracy of Nazis and other assorted anti-semites whose foremost goal it is to demonize the jews, in order to advance their plans for the extermination of all jews in the world and the establishment of a world-wide Aryan empire?

Mind you, I´m not actually claiming anything, or accepting any responsibility for the implications of any of the claims I absolutely did not make. I´m just asking questions.


(Yeah, all right... I am just pulling your legs... :p sort of. I mean, just think... what if I was right? Wouldn´t it explain an awful lot of things? :eye-poppi)

[gumboot]

If there's a world wide conspiracy to blame the Jews for everything that happens, quite obviously the Jews are behind it.

[Dave Rogers]

If there's a world wide conspiracy to blame the Jews for everything that happens, quite obviously the Jews are behind it.

I never knew you were Jewish.

Dave

[Chaos]

If there's a world wide conspiracy to blame the Jews for everything that happens, quite obviously the Jews are behind it.

Are you on their side, or do you just blindly swallow everything they want you to believe?

[NoZed Avenger]

Something about this thread just doesn't seem . . . kosher, if you know what I mean. . . .

[gumboot]

I never knew you were Jewish.

Dave

Are you on their side, or do you just blindly swallow everything they want you to believe?


I know nothing...

[RedIbis]

About 95% of the Jew references on this site come from the so-called "debunkers".

[chillzero]

About 95% of the Jew references on this site come from the so-called "debunkers".

Maybe because for every one post a member like MaGZ puts up about Jewish complacency in some plot or other, there are 10 who will respond to refute it?

[RedIbis]

Maybe because for every one post a member like MaGZ puts up about Jewish complacency in some plot or other, there are 10 who will respond to refute it?

I disagree, most of the time these references come up unsolicited. There is something highly distasteful about appropriating Jew references, perpetuating the bigotry that is supposedly being addressed.

[Nick Terry]

I disagree, most of the time these references come up unsolicited. There is something highly distasteful about appropriating Jew references, perpetuating the bigotry that is supposedly being addressed.

In relation to the total number of "Jew references" (the phrasing might be deemed insulting by some, Red) made in the conspiracy theory leaning world of the net, any running gag or ironic invocation of such references here at JREF amounts to a pimple on the backside.

[gc051360]

I disagree, most of the time these references come up unsolicited. There is something highly distasteful about appropriating Jew references, perpetuating the bigotry that is supposedly being addressed.

It's important to note that "they" don't use the word "jew" to describe what they are talking about.

Zionist, and International Banker are two code words for jew. They don't want to appear to be a bigot, but they do still want to blame everything on the jews....

[chillzero]

I disagree, most of the time these references come up unsolicited. There is something highly distasteful about appropriating Jew references, perpetuating the bigotry that is supposedly being addressed.

I'll agree that often the guys will jump in ahead with an assumption that another poster intends to relate something back to a Jewish conpsiracy of some sort.... but I don't think it's in the majority. I also feel that it can only have arisen from a history of having these things presented in that manner.

[RedIbis]

I'll agree that often the guys will jump in ahead with an assumption that another poster intends to relate something back to a Jewish conpsiracy of some sort.... but I don't think it's in the majority. I also feel that it can only have arisen from a history of having these things presented in that manner.

I hardly think that's an excuse. It would be best to rise above any form of bigotry. Let anti-semitic posters such as MaGZ expose him/herself as a bigot. My observation is that nearly all of the references to Jews or Jewish conspiracy come from the "debunking" side. I find this equally distasteful.

[T.A.M.]

I hardly think that's an excuse. It would be best to rise above any form of bigotry. Let anti-semitic posters such as MaGZ expose him/herself as a bigot. My observation is that nearly all of the references to Jews or Jewish conspiracy come from the "debunking" side. I find this equally distasteful.

Rise above it...yes.

Ignore it hoping it will go away? Not a chance. Call it out every time you see it, that's what I would say.

As for the "Jewish Conspiracy" references coming from Debunkers...sorry, only to denounce them, or cut such suggestions off at the pass. If you making such an allegation, please provide an example of where a CT debunker on this site, has legitimately (ie, not with sarcasm) accused "The Jews" of anything reprehensible?

TAM:)

[chillzero]

I hardly think that's an excuse. It would be best to rise above any form of bigotry.

*shrug*

One of the things about a forum of so many diverse personalities. You can't dictate their behaviour or reactions.

I know others will agree with the point T.A.M. made, because it has been discussed before. People feel it should be addressed.

[SDC]

I guess a "Jew reference" is something the rabbi writes so my daughter can get into a particular school.

I'm sorry you are touchy on the point, Red I., but I find the wisecracks such as found in this thread to be both refreshing, and characteristically Jewish humor. Not that I'm accusing anyone here of being Jews. But the jokes have a wry angle that is often identified with Jewish humor. A bit of gallows humor, a wink and a shrug over the fate the world sometimes provides. A roll-of-the-eyes at the really outrageous stupidity of the schemes cooked up by the professional anti-semites. (I prefer the term "Jew baiters," myself. It's blunt and honest. "Anti-semite" is a bit mealy mouthed.)

Here is a serious point. The origin of European civilization, which can be described as Western/ Christian, lies in a rejection of Judaism because Judaism rejected one of its own prophets. European civilization is built on this. European civilization -- by which I include the whole Western world, the Americas and all -- is obsessed with Jews. That's why the topic keeps coming up.

[gumboot]

Here is a serious point. The origin of European civilization, which can be described as Western/ Christian, lies in a rejection of Judaism because Judaism rejected one of its own prophets. European civilization is built on this. European civilization -- by which I include the whole Western world, the Americas and all -- is obsessed with Jews. That's why the topic keeps coming up.


No we're not! That's just what the Jews want you to think! It's all part of their plan...

[SDC]

OK, so I should have added "New Zealand and Australia" to my reference to "European civilization."

Sheesh.

[Nick Terry]

Besides which, antisemitism is OCT - Original Conspiracy Theory.

[beachnut]

I disagree, most of the time these references come up unsolicited. There is something highly distasteful about appropriating Jew references, perpetuating the bigotry that is supposedly being addressed.
Your shallow research on the subject, leads to false conclusions, like 9/11 truth. You disagree and are wrong most of the time due to lack of knowledge stemming from your shallow research leading you to the false conclusions. Careful analysis of facts and evidence could make you look less like you lack knowledge on a particular subject as you display on 9/11 issues and this small point.

[applecorped]

I hardly think that's an excuse. It would be best to rise above any form of bigotry. Let anti-semitic posters such as MaGZ expose him/herself as a bigot. My observation is that nearly all of the references to Jews or Jewish conspiracy come from the "debunking" side. I find this equally distasteful.

So real antisemetic remarks are equal to JREF posters obvious use of the terms to make fun of twooofers? No wonder twooofers can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. You guys seem to be on the wtong side of everything. Doesn't that ever make you stop and pause?

[jhunter1163]

Maybe because for every one post a member like MaGZ puts up about Jewish complacency in some plot or other, there are 10 who will respond to refute it?

This is not quite correct. To achieve 95%, there would have to be 19 refutations. It is possible that this could be done by 10 posters, as MaGZ's posts usually are wrong on multiple levels.

[fullflavormenthol]

Look I use the Jewish Conspiracy label to just call things as I see them. It has already been mentioned that a lot of conspiracy theorists use the terms Zionist, International Banker, Israel, Illuminati, etc to refer to this massive Jewish Conspiracy.

We can't rise above it if it is part of the discussion, because the CT'ists engage in the use of code words and you have to call them on it. It is no different than the people who use the term "Intelligent Design" to take the place of the refuted "Creation Science", which replaced the term Creationism which in turn is also known as Religion. It is important that a debate doesn't get bogged down into code words.

Besides, movies like Zeitgeist make use of these codes. Part one blames a Judeo-Christian conspiracy, and ends the movie with a "World Bank Conspiracy". So yeah...to say that a portion of the truth movement isn't really anti-semitism in disguise is naive at best.

[PhantomWolf]

I hardly think that's an excuse. It would be best to rise above any form of bigotry. Let anti-semitic posters such as MaGZ expose him/herself as a bigot. My observation is that nearly all of the references to Jews or Jewish conspiracy come from the "debunking" side. I find this equally distasteful.

Perhaps it is because so many of the Truther side, including 90% of the original creators of the 9/11 myths you all spout were excatly that, bigoted, anti-semitic posters. Now it's become the in joke that if something happens it must have been the Jews because for virtually every single CT out there there is one that claims the Jews were behind it (probably even JFK and Pearl Harbour.)

[fullflavormenthol]

...virtually every single CT out there there is one that claims the Jews were behind it (probably even JFK and Pearl Harbour.)

Well much of the Alex Jones type theories deal with an international banking conspiracy to get us into every war in the 20th century. Apply the fact that banker is code, and yeah you would find people out there that would say that Pearl Harbor was part of the banking conspiracy.

[deep]

Perhaps it is because so many of the (sic) Truther side, including 90% of the original creators of the 9/11 myths you all spout were excatly (sic) that, bigoted, anti-semitic posters. Now it's become the in joke that if something happens it must have been the Jews because for virtually every single CT out there there is one that claims the Jews were behind it (probably even JFK and Pearl Harbour (sic).)


Please backup these ridiculous claims (bold) with some sort of evidence.

[defaultdotxbe]

Please backup these ridiculous claims (bold) with some sort of evidence.
youre last (sic) is misplaced


(dont bother pointing out my lack of ' or capitalization because i really dont care)

[fullflavormenthol]

Please backup these ridiculous claims [sic] (bold) with some sort of evidence.

Oh aren't we special. Looks like someone broke out their Brown little book for writers and decided to engage in personal attacks in leu of crafting an argument. I think what he is getting at is that many of the publications that started writing about the "conspiracy" before everyone else were those publications associated with anti-semitism; e.g. American Free Press. The only mistake was assigning an informal statistic to the statement. Of course to anyone of intelligence it becomes obvious that his percentage was not meant to be taken literally.

By the way sic is supposed to be italicized and be contained within brackets, not parentheses.

Also he was using a different spelling of Harbour, the British spelling. Like Armour, Colour, Favourite, etc. Also when copying and pasting in the context of a discussion board the use of sic is not necessary as it is used to express that a mistake was not made in the copying or transcription of a work. It is self evident that you didn't alter his original post, due to the fact that we can all view it above yours. Pretentious is the best description for your use of sic.

[GodisEnergy]

it aint jews , its occultism. Or Kabbalastic Extremism.Masonry is based on the kabbalah and the elite are either jews or masons so yea its a pretty good theory..

[Architect]

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Also he was using a different spelling of Harbour, the British spelling. Like Armour, Colour, Favourite, etc.

Mate, it's only the US that spells 'em without the U.

;)

In the same vein, I am minded of the eejit I was debating that didn't know that hypotheses was a plural and tried to mock my spelling!

[Brainache]

it aint jews , its occultism. Or Kabbalastic Extremism.Masonry is based on the kabbalah and the elite are either jews or masons so yea its a pretty good theory..

Nope. You're wrong. It's those evil Chinese Baptists I keep telling ya!



No one listens to me, but when we're all rounded up and hearded onto little white buses and forced to sing "Jesus Loves Me Yes I Know" and eat chicken feet with dirty chopsticks, then you'll be sorry!

[Hokulele]

Mate, it's only the US that spells 'em without the U.


Must be a Jeuwish conspiracy!

[PhantomWolf]

Please backup these ridiculous claims (bold) with some sort of evidence.

Ridiculous hmmm?

Lets have a look.

Peter Meyer one of the first to publish an article on 9/11 being a CD (just 2 days after it), he also has articles calling into question the Holocaust on his site. Carol A. Valentine entered the scene on Oct 6th 2001 introducing most of the ideas of the current truth movement, ideas that Loose Change made so popular by quoting from a paper run by the same staff as the Spotlight, a very antisemitic paper. Valentine is a Holocaust denier and her site contains many antisemitic articles. Chris Bollyn was a reporter for the AFP, and continues both his anti-semitic and 9/11 rants even while on the run. Eric Hufschmid, another anti-semite and holocaust denier, did Painful Questions, a work that would later influence David Ray Griffen and through him Richard Gage and the AfT911 group. These are just a handful of those that created the Truth Movement as it is today and who have serious anti-semitic issues and holocaust denials.

As to the Jews being blamed for things, you really want me to go and look up the ones that blame them for the Bali Bombings (http://www.vialls.com/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm)? How about that they blew up Pan Am 103 (http://judicial-inc.biz/Locerbie.htm)? Perhaps they weren't behind the London Underground attack, oh, opps, seems they were. (http://judicial-inc.biz/London_bus.htm) Aw heck, why don't I just give you an entire list. (http://judicial-inc.biz/False_Flags_summary.htm)

So you think it's still rediculous?

[Brainache]

Ridiculous hmmm?

Lets have a look.

Peter Meyer one of the first to publish an article on 9/11 being a CD (just 2 days after it), he also has articles calling into question the Holocaust on his site. Carol A. Valentine entered the scene on Oct 6th 2001 introducing most of the ideas of the current truth movement, ideas that Loose Change made so popular by quoting from a paper run by the same staff as the Spotlight, a very antisemitic paper. Valentine is a Holocaust denier and her site contains many antisemitic articles. Chris Bollyn was a reporter for the AFP, and continues both his anti-semitic and 9/11 rants even while on the run. Eric Hufschmid, another anti-semite and holocaust denier, did Painful Questions, a work that would later influence David Ray Griffen and through him Richard Gage and the AfT911 group. These are just a handful of those that created the Truth Movement as it is today and who have serious anti-semitic issues and holocaust denials.

As to the Jews being blamed for things, you really want me to go and look up the ones that blame them for the Bali Bombings (http://www.vialls.com/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm)? How about that they blew up Pan Am 103 (http://judicial-inc.biz/Locerbie.htm)? Perhaps they weren't behind the London Underground attack, oh, opps, seems they were. (http://judicial-inc.biz/London_bus.htm) Aw heck, why don't I just give you an entire list. (http://judicial-inc.biz/False_Flags_summary.htm)

So you think it's still rediculous?

I think Deep44 is gonna get real sic all over this post.

[PhantomWolf]

I think Deep44 is gonna get real sic all over this post.

Well if all he has left is to critic people's spelling I feel sorry for him.

[Brainache]

Well if all he has left is to critic people's spelling I feel sorry for him.

It's all he's ever had.

[David Swidler]

If we Jews were half as competent at running the world as the CTers would believe us to be, the world would be in much better shape. Imagine the efficiency!

Also, if there were any truth to it, I might expect not to have to live from paycheck to pathetic paycheck.

Or that my father wouldn't have had to run for his life on 9/11. I believe he still has recurring nightmares.

[SDC]

I don't have time to check right now but I believe I have seen the argument, by one of our colleagues, that Israel (David Ben-Gurion, prop.) was behind the JFK assassination. Have to do a little research...

[Tolls]

And don't forget Mossad. That's a common one, often used by that "they jumped out of the nose wheel" chap, whose name I've forgotten.