UFO Radio Show- Fascinating

[Space_Ed]

More wooology is being beamed to your screens from Space Ed. Strap in, sit back and hold on tight for the next hour while you listen to this radio broadcast. Enjoy...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ndyUgGEOY5A&feature=related

[Blackwell]

More wooology is being beamed to your screens from Space Ed. Strap in, sit back and hold on tight for the next hour while you listen to this radio broadcast. Enjoy...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ndyUgGEOY5A&feature=related

How about a brief synopsis of the show? What do you find fascinating? I mean, it's gotta be SUPER fascinating for it to be worth 3 threads! ;)

[Space_Ed]

How about a brief synopsis of the show? What do you find fascinating? I mean, it's gotta be SUPER fascinating for it to be worth 3 threads! ;)

LOL. Well to be honest, I do believe in aliens and its all in here and more. It is really very interesting. To begin with it sounds silly but as the show goes on you understand what he is saying after he explains himself. It brings a lot together about world mysteries such as the Mayan calender etc. Also its a good thing to listen to if you want to do further research. Lots of issues surrounding extra terrestrial intelligence and humans is brought up in this. It is food for thought. They do a thought experiment on live US radio to summon UFOs and they get a lot of excited phone calls....

[Space_Ed]

A few nutters ring up too which is pretty entertaining. Right wing American christian nut-jobs. Oh dear.

[Blackwell]

LOL. Well to be honest, I do believe in aliens and its all in here and more. It is really very interesting. To begin with it sounds silly but as the show goes on you understand what he is saying after he explains himself. It brings a lot together about world mysteries such as the Mayan calender etc. Also its a good thing to listen to if you want to do further research. Lots of issues surrounding extra terrestrial intelligence and humans is brought up in this. It is food for thought. They do a thought experiment on live US radio to summon UFOs and they get a lot of excited phone calls....

I do believe in aliens* too. I admit, even woo-woo talk about aliens is usually interesting to me, and I'm just sitting at work anyway, so maybe I'll give it a listen.

What is so mysterious about the Mayan calandar?


*and by "aliens," I believe that the odds are good that life (intelligent or otherwise) exists somewhere else in the universe. I don't believe that an intelligent alien life form has visited our planet.

[Space_Ed]

http://www.world-mysteries.com/

On here there is an explanation of what the mystery is. I can't remember much of the details but one of the dates coincided with the day all those UFOs were seen over Mexico. Apparently there is a lot of UFO activity in Mexico. Thats not a very good answer but thats the kind of thing. There are a few errors in the radio show e.g. the bloke calls orion, the Pleiades and alpha centaurae 'systems' when in fact one of those is a constellation, another is a star and the Pleiades are actually a system. There are a lot of 'out there' views expressed here, however, much of it is backed up by witnesses.

[Space_Ed]

*and by "aliens," I believe that the odds are good that life (intelligent or otherwise) exists somewhere else in the universe. I don't believe that an intelligent alien life form has visited our planet.

That was my rationale for years. In the past year or so I've been using an analytical approach to the evidence for aliens and it is compelling.

www.ufoabduction.com seems like the most wacko site ever but I spent a long time trying to find something wrong with it and I couldn't. I even bought his book. Also X-ray diffraction and other chemical analytical techniques were performed on an implant and the compound matched no known compound on any of the data bases and so if it is fake, the person who made the fake must know more about chemistry and geology than the world's experts.

[Blackwell]

That was my rationale for years. In the past year or so I've been using an analytical approach to the evidence for aliens and it is compelling.

www.ufoabduction.com seems like the most wacko site ever but I spent a long time trying to find something wrong with it and I couldn't. I even bought his book. Also X-ray diffraction and other chemical analytical techniques were performed on an implant and the compound matched no known compound on any of the data bases and so if it is fake, the person who made the fake must know more about chemistry and geology than the world's experts.

Have you read The Demon Haunted World, by Carl Sagan? I think it would do you good to pick up a copy.

I'm through part 1 of the youtube video; it's audio from an Art Bell interview of James Gilliland on Coast to Coast (so anyone else reading this thread, steer clear!!!! :) ). Not sure I can handle listening to the rest; it's just a bunch of cobbled-together sci-fi. Lots of talk about Pleiadeans, Andromedans, "biological robots," colonization, re-seeding, etc. etc., as if all of these were known, proven facts. No offer of evidence whatsoever.

From the wikipedia entry for Gilliland:
...In 1986, he moved to Mount Adams, Trout Lake, Washington, opening up his Sattva Sanctuary, a 70 acre mountain retreat dedicated for spiritual healing. He has also been operating the Self Mastery Earth Institute (SMEI) at his sanctuary.
Gilliland says his sanctuary is at an opening to a dimensional portal where extraterrestrial ships travel to and from Earth. His first close encounter occurred after eight years of living on his sanctuary; while meditating in his home, he says that he heard a voice in his head originating from a UFO, and after leaving his meditation his sister ran inside informing him that a UFO was hovering over his house. Since then, Gilliland says that he has experienced close encounters with Pleiadeans, Andromedans, extraterrestrials from the Orion constellation, and thousands of UFOs around his sanctuary...
Thousands of UFOs, eh? The evidence must be overwhelming.

[Space_Ed]

Have you read The Demon Haunted World, by Carl Sagan? I think it would do you good to pick up a copy.

I'm through part 1 of the youtube video; it's audio from an Art Bell interview of James Gilliland on Coast to Coast (so anyone else reading this thread, steer clear!!!! :) ). Not sure I can handle listening to the rest; it's just a bunch of cobbled-together sci-fi. Lots of talk about Pleiadeans, Andromedans, "biological robots," colonization, re-seeding, etc. etc., as if all of these were known, proven facts. No offer of evidence whatsoever.

From the wikipedia entry for Gilliland:

Thousands of UFOs, eh? The evidence must be overwhelming.

Well 'apparently' lots of people go to his ranch and see them. When I first went on his website and heard him speak I was instantly repulsed. But if there are numerous witnesses then there must be at least some validity in what he is saying. In my opinion.

[Space_Ed]

http://www.eceti.org/

This is highly suspicious... but if lots of people are seeing these things.....

[Space_Ed]

Have you read The Demon Haunted World, by Carl Sagan? I think it would do you good to pick up a copy.

I've come across that title lots of times. What's it about?

[Space_Ed]

Contact is pretty immense.

[Space_Ed]

I'm through part 1 of the youtube video; it's audio from an Art Bell interview of James Gilliland on Coast to Coast (so anyone else reading this thread, steer clear!!!! :) ). Not sure I can handle listening to the rest; it's just a bunch of cobbled-together sci-fi. Lots of talk about Pleiadeans, Andromedans, "biological robots," colonization, re-seeding, etc. etc., as if all of these were known, proven facts. No offer of evidence whatsoever.

Thousands of UFOs, eh? The evidence must be overwhelming.

Please could you explain to me why they should stay clear? Other than an argument that basically boils down to 'it sounds stupid and therefore its not worth bothering with.'?

[staunch]

James Gilliland is a fruit cake. He claims to have had a near death experience which he claims is responsible for his inter-dimensional mind.

After the incident, James said he gave up his material world in order to pursue a spiritual journey

Gilliland says he was hit with three balls of light within a stream of energy, after which a woman appeared to me with a strange headdress used for communication and other higher consciousness and energy works. The ship came in as a golden light from the north. It dropped down low and hovered ...

I also believe in aliens. they cross the border and are called illegal aliens.

[chillzero]

But if there are numerous witnesses then there must be at least some validity in what he is saying. In my opinion.

In your opinion, maybe, but you do know that it's not evidence of anything, right?

[Astrophotographer]

This is highly suspicious... but if lots of people are seeing these things.....

You do know that just because people say they see things in the sky, they could be misinterpreting and misreporting what they saw. Just a few tidbits for you on eyewitness testimony about such things:


More than 90% of these reports are found to be hoaxes or poor accounts of well-known or trivial events. Under those circumstances an unexplained residue of perhaps 10% is no basis to believe in miracles. It is more reasonable to assume that this residue is so distorted or incomplete as to defy all analysis. Astronomer Gerrard Kuiper

Much of the trouble arises from the fact that the sky presents an almost endless variety of peculiar sights and objects, only a few of which are likely to be encountered by one person in a lifetime. And when this does happen, he may be misled into thinking that he has seen something extraordinary--- instead of merely unfamiliar. Arthur C. Clarke

...the mere listing of unanswered puzzles is not equivalent to providing unanswerable arguments. Is it conceivable that all of the UFO reports can be due to mistakes and hoaxes? I think that it is conceivable, and not at all a rash suggestion. We know the "signal-to-noise ratio" in UFO studies is low, and their may be no signal at all. Dr. William Hartmann

On so important a question, the evidence must be airtight. The more we want it to be true, the more careful we have to be. No witness’s say-so is good enough. People make mistakes. People play practical jokes. People stretch the truth for money or attention or fame. People occasionally misunderstand what they are seeing. People sometimes even see things that aren’t there. Carl Sagan

...we humans do not immediately perceive the world as it is; rather, we are elaborate computers with an enormous preset routine and much programming, both genetic and cultural; and we have to interpret all the data we get. That interpretation, whatever it is, is subject to error...I would say that NO witness is credible who bears a sufficiently strange story. The only hope is for independent chains, several independent witnesses, and then credibility certainly rises. Moreover, independence is most important (I shall return to this point). I want to emphasizes that the singleness of a witness necessarily puts his case into some sort of doubt. All of us know how people have been mistaken with the best will in the world. Dr. Philip Morrison

If aliens have been visiting the Earth for 50 years, you would think that it would not be so hard to convince a lot of people that that was true. It's convinced 50 percent of the American public, but it's convinced very few academics. As an astronomer friend said to me, if I thought there was a one percent chance any of that was true, I'd spend 100 percent of my time on it. In other words, if the evidence were the least bit compelling, you'd have lots of academics working on it because it's very interesting. To me that says that the evidence is weak from the scientist's perspective. Seth Shostak

...even if in a court of law, eyewitness testimony is a high form of evidence, in the court of science, it is the lowest form of evidence you could possibly put forth Dr.Neil deGrasse Tyson

Before you start thinking there is something to UFO testimony, you need to become familiar with the problems involved. My favorite book is written by UFO investigator Allan Hendry "The UFO Handbook", which is sadly out of print but can be found as a used book or in a library. It demonstrates clearly how poorly people perceive events they are not familiar with it and often misreport what they see. If you can't find that, I suggest Carl Sagan's "demon haunted world". That is his perspective on the whole paranormal "world" including UFOs.

[Loss Leader]

But if there are numerous witnesses then there must be at least some validity in what he is saying. In my opinion.


I'll remember that when I read all the witness statements about miracles performed by the pope.

[Blackwell]

Please could you explain to me why they should stay clear? Other than an argument that basically boils down to 'it sounds stupid and therefore its not worth bothering with.'?

Art Bell is one of the biggest creduloids out there; I don't think there is any alien abduction/ UFO/lizardmen/black helicopter/govt. conspiracy story that he doesn't believe. No compelling evidence is offered by him or his guests. Many of the posters on this board are familiar with Art, and I offered the tongue-in-cheek warning on behalf of those posters who might otherwise click on the link, thinking they would be getting a well-balanced treatment of the subject.
I've come across that title lots of times. What's it about?
From the amazon.com editorial review, since I'm feeling lazy:
Carl Sagan muses on the current state of scientific thought, which offers him marvelous opportunities to entertain us with his own childhood experiences, the newspaper morgues, UFO stories, and the assorted flotsam and jetsam of pseudoscience. Along the way he debunks alien abduction, faith-healing, and channeling; refutes the arguments that science destroys spirituality, and provides a "baloney detection kit" for thinking through political, social, religious, and other issues.
http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207846050&sr=8-1

[Ixion]

I am currently reading Demon Haunted World and I am quite enjoying it.
Sagan makes a point in the book that just because someone sees something, doesn't mean it is really there. He even goes so far to say that someone can "see" something and it can also be "seen" by radar, and still not really exist.
Also, he points out that if you take into account all of the instances of people stating that they have been abducted and averaged it out over the past 20 years, you would still have an average of one abduction every few minutes. You would think that alien spacecraft sightings would be much more prevalent and commonplace than they are.
I agree with him. I think the UFO sightings are either explainable, or fanciful interpretations by people who want to believe.

[Ixion]

I also just want to state that I think if you can agree with the assumptions about the Drake equation, than there is a good probability that other intelligent life in the universe exists. However, I think if you use the same assumptions about the universe, the likelihood of being visited by intelligent beings is quite small, due to the number of planets that might possibly exist and the distance between them.

[dudalb]

A few nutters ring up too which is pretty entertaining. Right wing American christian nut-jobs. Oh dear.


Someone who buys into "The Aliens Are Here" crap should be very careful about calling anyone else a nutjob. People who live in Glass Houses, etc.

[dudalb]

I still love how a couple of months ago someone called up the guy who took over Art Bell's show from him ,called himself Gordon Freeman, and claimed to be working for a Secret Government project called Black Mesa that was transporting aliens from another dimension to the lab facility and how he was afraid things were getting out of hand.
In other words, the guy ran the early stages of the plot of the extremely popular video game Half Life past the radio host, and the radio host fell for it hook,line ,and sinker.
For details, it was on one of the episodes of the Skeptics Guide To the Universe.

[Astrophotographer]

I still love how a couple of months ago someone called up the guy who took over Art Bell's show from him ,called himself Gordon Freeman, and claimed to be working for a Secret Government project called Black Mesa that was transporting aliens from another dimension to the lab facility and how he was afraid things were getting out of hand.
In other words, the guy ran the early stages of the plot of the extremely popular video game Half Life past the radio host, and the radio host fell for it hook,line ,and sinker.
For details, it was on one of the episodes of the Skeptics Guide To the Universe.


LOL....Now THAT'S FUNNY....I don't care who you are.