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Iamme
4th October 2003, 02:03 PM
Everytime you turn around, you hear that being overweight leads to heart disease. Yet, I know plenty of normal weight to thin people who just keel over dead in their tracks when in their late 30's to their 50's. In other words, they die prematurely.

What is the incentive to lose weight when one notices non-heavy people dying like this?


I already realize that there are basically two disorders affecting the heart. One is plaque related, and the other is electrical related. Sometimes the electrical malfunction is due to palque. Sometimes from other causes.

But for people who suddenly die from what they call coronary heart disease (plaque build up in the arteries)...it's as if we are all ticking time bombs. It seems to me that you just can't say, "Oh well, I'm not fat...I have nothing to worry about." In reality, you could keel over because the gods aren't with you...because...some chunk broke lose, when it didn't in even someone more plugged up than you!

I learned some about heart disease from my dad's doctor, when my dad needed angioplasty 18 years ago. (My dad is just fine). The doctor said that there are 3 or 4 walls of the arteries, and that smoking can cause the inner wall to ulcerate. These ulcers trap the plaque. Then, you set yourself up for being this ticking time bomb as I explained.

In my dad's hospital room was some guy in his 80's. He was scheduled that very day to have I think quaduple or more bypass surgery. He told us he couldn't even walk to the mailbox without stopping to get his breath back. His arteries were like 93% +85% + 90% +78% plugged (figures made up, but he said what they were and they were ridiculous). Yet, there he was. Alive. Some people like him, are lucky to stay alive with angina. Someone else, I am surmising, might be lesser plugged...but a chunk breaks off and that's that. Curtains.:eek:

So folks, don't smoke. or quit. Now. Even if you have no history of cancer in your family, cancer is not the only risk. Nor emphysema. You can cause cardiac disease, at a younger age.

The good news I have heard...if it is true...is that coronary heart disease is actually reversible, by eating the right foods and supplements. They have a process called kelation, but this is another controversial topic altogether. No...supposedly you can actually reduce plaque by getting the right nutrients and eliminating the bad ones from your diet.

BTox
6th October 2003, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Iamme
Everytime you turn around, you hear that being overweight leads to heart disease. Yet, I know plenty of normal weight to thin people who just keel over dead in their tracks when in their late 30's to their 50's. In other words, they die prematurely.

What is the incentive to lose weight when one notices non-heavy people dying like this?

This is anecdotal. I'm sure if you look at epidemiological studies you'll see that, taking other risk factors into consideration, overweight people die prematurely at a higher rate than thin people.

Originally posted by Iamme
The good news I have heard...if it is true...is that coronary heart disease is actually reversible, by eating the right foods and supplements. They have a process called kelation, but this is another controversial topic altogether. No...supposedly you can actually reduce plaque by getting the right nutrients and eliminating the bad ones from your diet.

I doubt diet or supplements will reverse heart disease, at best could slow the progression. And chelation is nonsense, a scam.

WildCat
6th October 2003, 06:54 PM
My brother-in-laws good friend recently dropped dead of a heart attack, he was in his late 30's and fit. Had just started a new job, it was quite devastating.

Bikewer
6th October 2003, 07:03 PM
Some of the cutting-edge research into heart disease is now focusing on chronic inflammation levels. Seems that inflammation makes plaques more likely to loose adherence to arterial walls.

The causation of this long-term inflammation is not clearly understood as yet, at least from the stuff I've seen. Some suspect "slow" virus infections, others lean towards lifestyle-stress, etc.

None of this is nailed down at all.