Split from: Jews - Emotions...Martin Bryant

[Old Bob]

O.K. There is far more than one point that makes Martin Bryant innocent.
Bryant is left handed - the shooter was right handed.
Bryant is about 75 mm. shorter (estimated) than the shooter in photos taken on the day.
Bryant has a "baby" face - the shooter was "pot-marked".
People who watched Martin Bryant grow up and were there on the day say that this was not him.
Witness statements covering all this have not been allowed the light of day.
The black-hawk helicopter crash was no accident - the pilot was shot from the ground, because the helicopter contained SAS soldiers who couldn't take it any longer and were going to reveal the truth.
No DNA or fingerprints was taken from the plate, glass and tray which the shooter was known to have been using immediately prior to the shooting.
At the time that the shooting actually started Martin Bryant was 50 km. away talking to a farmer who had employed Martin some years previously.
Just open the web site and you can read all this for yourself. This web site has been put up by some dedicated people overseas because for some unknown reason it keeps getting pulled down here.
Andrew McGregor (ex police) has teamed with Port Arthur survivors to accumulate more damning evidence. This is only touching the surface.

[Chaos]

O.K. There is far more than one point that makes Martin Bryant innocent.
Bryant is left handed - the shooter was right handed.
Bryant is about 75 mm. shorter (estimated) than the shooter in photos taken on the day.
Bryant has a "baby" face - the shooter was "pot-marked".
People who watched Martin Bryant grow up and were there on the day say that this was not him.
Witness statements covering all this have not been allowed the light of day.
The black-hawk helicopter crash was no accident - the pilot was shot from the ground, because the helicopter contained SAS soldiers who couldn't take it any longer and were going to reveal the truth.
No DNA or fingerprints was taken from the plate, glass and tray which the shooter was known to have been using immediately prior to the shooting.
At the time that the shooting actually started Martin Bryant was 50 km. away talking to a farmer who had employed Martin some years previously.
Just open the web site and you can read all this for yourself. This web site has been put up by some dedicated people overseas because for some unknown reason it keeps getting pulled down here.
Andrew McGregor (ex police) has teamed with Port Arthur survivors to accumulate more damning evidence. This is only touching the surface.

Two questions here:

First, if all this is being kept under wraps and not allowed to see the light of day, how come YOU know about it?

Second, how are we to tell the difference between evidence that you cannot present because it being kept under wraps and not allowed to see the light of day, and evidence that does not exist because the claims in question are utter nonsense?

[Mobyseven]

Bryant was not 50km away talking to an ****** farmer when the shooting started. Bryant was in a restaurant, shooting people when the shooting started. People who had known Bryant for quite some time identified him as the shooter. Your baseless allegations are disgusting, in poor taste, and a waste of bandwidth.

[lionking]

This has been done to death in previous threads. Bryant was the killer and only gun-nut websites proclaim otherwise. Rehashing this is an insult to those who suffered at Port Arthur and those who knew victims (I am one of the latter).

[Tolls]

The black-hawk helicopter crash was no accident - the pilot was shot from the ground, because the helicopter contained SAS soldiers who couldn't take it any longer and were going to reveal the truth.

Eh?
Which blackhawk accident? The Fiji one?
This is bizarre...

[lionking]

Eh?
Which blackhawk accident? The Fiji one?
This is bizarre...
I think he is talking about the blackhawk crash which occurred in Queensland (I think) and killed ten or so SAS soldiers. This, along with "Bryant was 50kms away" are new additions to the standard conspiracy theory, and equally wrong and disgusting.

[Tolls]

I think he is talking about the blackhawk crash which occurred in Queensland (I think) and killed ten or so SAS soldiers. This, along with "Bryant was 50kms away" are new additions to the standard conspiracy theory, and equally wrong and disgusting.

But...but...how does that tie in at all?
I mean...that was two helicopters colliding in mid-air during a training exercise...at night. There were SAS on both helicopters...was one (or both) of the pilots on a suicide mission? What sort of brain comes up with this stuff?

I know I shouldn't be quite so amazed at the mental contortions in these sorts of conspiracies...but...

[Magenta]

I've heard this one before - that the SAS were involved and then eliminated - it's disgusting stuff.

BTW, there were 15 SAS troopers and 3 Army personnel killed in that crash.

[lionking]

Here's the thing. Bryant simply could not have shot those people (in the same way that "cave dwellers" could not perpetrate 9/11), it had to be highly trained SES soldiers. What Old Bob missed was that two helicopters were involved, as you point out, so it was actually a super-conspiracy within another super-conspiracy involving the deliberate downing of two blackhawk.

Fair dinkum, some of the Port Arthur conspiracy stuff make 9/11 truthers look well-reasoned and logical.

[lionking]

I've heard this one before - that the SAS were involved and then eliminated - it's disgusting stuff.

BTW, there were 15 SAS troopers and 3 Army personnel killed in that crash.
Yeah, sorry I was going on memory when I said 10 or so. It was a sad tragedy and words cannot adequately reflect the level of contempt I have for people who use this to support their pathetic imaginings.

[lionking]

Perhaps I should explain why I am particularly angry about this conspiracy being aired at this time. As I mentioned earlier I knew a victim (Sarah Houghton) and will visit Port Arthur for the first time next week, mainly as an act of homage. Ignorant and cowardly people who claim that the government orchestrated the massacre dishonour the memories of those who died.

[Old Bob]

I can't believe the response when it is all there, only stupid brain washed people would believe that Bryant did the shooting. As for the respect for the victims what do you think I'm trying to do. 35 Australians died plus 11 SAS. These are our people and you have the nerve and stupidity to think my truth is disgusting, go live in your own fantasy world, over and out of this thread. Old Bob.

[lionking]

The mother of the slain Sara Loughton (wrong spelling above) who was also shot and nearly died, saw Bryant shoot her. You get your "truth" from gun-nut websites. The points you have raised have been dismissed in previous threads. Look it up. I will leave posters other than you to judge whether I am stupid or not.

[Chaos]

I can't believe the response when it is all there, only stupid brain washed people would believe that Bryant did the shooting. As for the respect for the victims what do you think I'm trying to do. 35 Australians died plus 11 SAS. These are our people and you have the nerve and stupidity to think my truth is disgusting, go live in your own fantasy world, over and out of this thread. Old Bob.


Would you kindly answer my questions, instead of repeating the tired old CT lines?

[The Doc]

A conspiracy where the patsie is not only left alive, but was also arrested on scene and was confirmed as the shooter by witnesses? Sounds like a ballsy plan by the planners.

Why don't you get in contact with one of the families that saw Bryant execute their loved ones in cold blood and ask if he was really the shooter?

[Mobyseven]

The mother of the slain Sara Loughton (wrong spelling above) who was also shot and nearly died, saw Bryant shoot her. You get your "truth" from gun-nut websites. The points you have raised have been dismissed in previous threads. Look it up. I will leave posters other than you to judge whether I am stupid or not.

I haven't visited Tasmania since late primary school. I hope that there are no peddlers of CT nonsense at Port Arthur at the moment.

I don't know anyone who died personally, however my friend's uncle was one of the victims.

[lionking]

I haven't visited Tasmania since late primary school. I hope that there are no peddlers of CT nonsense at Port Arthur at the moment.

I don't know anyone who died personally, however my friend's uncle was one of the victims.
Quite the contrary it seems - it is still such a painful memory that nobody really wants to talk about it. If anyone tried a 9/11-type protest or "just asking questions" activity, I would seriously fear for their safety.

[Magenta]

I know the Port Arthur massacre has been discussed on this forum here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=73770)and here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=89848), but does anyone know of a comprehensive debunking of the various CT claims?

[lionking]

The fact that he was caught at the scene and confessed to the murders would be more than enough for any reasonable person. But why should anyone debunk the theory that the SAS was responsible and that the blackhawks were shot down to cover it up? I mean this is as credible as saying that Bigfoot was the culprit. The CTs are the ones making extraordinary claims. Let's see some proof from them and not fantasy.