UN Human Rights Official Calls for Investigation into NeoCon role in 9/11

[RedIbis]

http://www2.nysun.com/article/74465?page_no=2

Is Falk out of line for suggesting:

"It is possibly true that especially the neoconservatives thought there was a situation in the country and in the world where something had to happen to wake up the American people. Whether they are innocent about the contention that they made that something happen or not, I don't think we can answer definitively at this point. All we can say is there is a lot of grounds for suspicion, there should be an official investigation of the sort the 9/11 commission did not engage in and that the failure to do these things is cheating the American people and in some sense the people of the world of a greater confidence in what really happened than they presently possess."

[mrbaracuda]

Gotta love the "NeoCon"-word. Am I wrong to assume it has the same effect or is trying to have the same effect as saying "right-wing populist" in Europe?

[RedIbis]

Gotta love the "NeoCon"-word. Am I wrong to assume it has the same effect or is trying to have the same effect as saying "right-wing populist" in Europe?

I don't think we could call the neo cons populist. There is nothing derogatory about the term. It's an accepted political designation of a very specific ideology.

[stateofgrace]

http://www2.nysun.com/article/74465?page_no=2

Is Falk out of line for suggesting:

"It is possibly true that especially the neoconservatives thought there was a situation in the country and in the world where something had to happen to wake up the American people. Whether they are innocent about the contention that they made that something happen or not, I don't think we can answer definitively at this point. All we can say is there is a lot of grounds for suspicion, there should be an official investigation of the sort the 9/11 commission did not engage in and that the failure to do these things is cheating the American people and in some sense the people of the world of a greater confidence in what really happened than they presently possess."

Reading the entire article, some guys think so.


Mr. Falk's selection to the post as rapporteur has already prompted the government of Israel formally to request that Mr. Falk not be sent to their country. The Israeli press has reported that he may even be barred from entering the country



One reason the Israelis are concerned about his appointment is that Mr. Falk has compared Israel's treatment of Palestinian Arabs to the Nazi treatment of Jews in the holocaust.


So is he out of line Red?

[Slayhamlet]

"There have been questions raised here and there and allegations of official complicity made almost from the day of the attacks, especially in Europe, but no one until Griffin has had the patience, the fortitude, the courage, and the intelligence to put the pieces together in a single coherent account."

Dead in the water.

[RedIbis]

Reading the entire article, some guys think so.





So is he out of line Red?

Not about his questions about the neocon role in 9/11, no.

[stateofgrace]

Not about his questions about the neocon role in 9/11, no.

And that role would be?

[Jonnyclueless]

So the people behind 9/11 were a vague group of ideologists and yet no one can name them, or what their roles were and in such a large group no one has come forward? Why doesn't he just blame 9/11 on Leprechauns? Maybe mermaids? Or how about the classic communists.

[gumboot]

Mr Falk's appointment was already discussed in politics, his 9/11 nuttery only reinforces that he is a very poor choice to represent any organisation in any capacity.

[dudalb]

And people wonder why a lot of Americans don' t have a hell of a lot of respect for the UN.
Maybe dumbbutt appointments like this have something to do with it.

[RedIbis]

And that role would be?

I'm sure it's merely coincidence that 9/11 provided the perfect pretext for the war without end that the neocons have been enjoying.

[gumboot]

And people wonder why a lot of Americans don' t have a hell of a lot of respect for the UN.
Maybe dumbbutt appointments like this have something to do with it.

Oh c'mon now, what's wrong with Zimbabwe chairing a commission on sustainable development, or Libya chairing a commission on human rights?

[stateofgrace]

I'm sure it's merely coincidence that 9/11 provided the perfect pretext for the war without end that the neocons have been enjoying.

Enjoying?

Please explain.

[gumboot]

Enjoying?

Please explain.


The lowest presidential approval ratings in history just fill GWB with that warm fuzzy feeling...

[Jonnyclueless]

I'm sure it's merely coincidence that 9/11 provided the perfect pretext for the war without end that the neocons have been enjoying.

Ah rhetoric. Did you learn that from the neocon fairies?

[PhantomWolf]

Considering that Falk bases his beliefs on Barret and Griffin who have been repeatedly shown to be lairs and frauds, why should having another nutbar listening to them make it suddenly credible?

[realitybites]

I'm sure it's merely coincidence that 9/11 provided the perfect pretext for the war without end that the neocons have been enjoying.

No, no.

The PERFECT pretext for war with Iraq would've been to make the hijackers Iraqi so as to avoid worldwide disdain for the invasion and the aforementioned dismal approval ratings.

.... Stupid neocons.

[RedIbis]

The lowest presidential approval ratings in history just fill GWB with that warm fuzzy feeling...

And sadly, McCain will win the election. The only approval rating that matters is the Diebold approval.

[WildCat]

And sadly, McCain will win the election. The only approval rating that matters is the Diebold approval.
McCain is a neocon? :boggled:

[stateofgrace]

And sadly, McCain will win the election. The only approval rating that matters is the Diebold approval.

If you are so concerned why don't you guys front a presidential candidate? With the "massive" support you have, it would be a walk in the park.

[Drudgewire]

*sees thread*

NeoCon

Griffin

Diebold

*turns and leaves, nodding head slowly*

[WildCat]

If you are so concerned why don't you guys front a presidential candidate? With the "massive" support you have, it would be a walk in the park.
No, see, that's why he threw in the Diebold reference. David Ray Griffin would be a shoo-in with 85% of the vote but those damn neocons and their rigged voting machines will steal the election!

[johnny karate]

If you are so concerned why don't you guys front a presidential candidate? With the "massive" support you have, it would be a walk in the park.

Unfortunately for the Truth Movement, you have to be at least 18 years old to vote.

[stateofgrace]

No, see, that's why he threw in the Diebold reference. David Ray Griffin would be a shoo-in with 85% of the vote but those damn neocons and their rigged voting machines will steal the election!

Ah I see, please excuse me, I am not from the US and don't understand this stuff. ;)

[Par]

I'm sure it's merely coincidence that 9/11 provided the perfect pretext for the war without end that the neocons have been enjoying.


So, you’re basing your assessment on an appeal to you own incredulity. That’s a logical fallacy.

[DavidJames]

I breathed a sigh of relief when I see Red started this thread. The way he abandon the Pentagon one without answers any of the tough questions I was concerned the NeoCon's finally got to him. I was sure his tireless work to uncover the truth and bring the real criminals to justice (by doing nothing but posting on Internet forums) would eventually be his undoing.

Red you are one courageous man.

[fullflavormenthol]

I'm sure it's merely coincidence that 9/11 provided the perfect pretext for the war without end that the neocons have been enjoying.
So you're assuming that a Democrat president wouldn't have launched a similiar war into Afghanistan? Also 9-11 wasn't a pretext for Iraq. Iraq already provided the pretext by repeatedly expelling the weapons inspectors, and violating the terms of the treaty they were under. A war could have been launched under International law at any time without 9-11 as an excuse. Or have we forgotten the nearly yearly bombings of Iraq under Clinton?

[RedIbis]

I breathed a sigh of relief when I see Red started this thread. The way he abandon the Pentagon one without answers any of the tough questions I was concerned the NeoCon's finally got to him. I was sure his tireless work to uncover the truth and bring the real criminals to justice (by doing nothing but posting on Internet forums) would eventually be his undoing.

Red you are one courageous man.

Raising the barre as usual.

[applecorped]

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[Dave Rogers]

Martin Lancelot Barre, guitarist for Jethro Tull since 1969?

Dave

[twinstead]

Political rhetoric ROCKS!

[RedIbis]

Forgive me for using the original spelling. The cliche comes from the idea that as a novice ballet student progresses, the barre is raised.

[Wowbagger]

If there really was something to this conspiracy idea, you'd think there would be other, more reputable folks backing this investigation up. Is this Falk guy really the best your cause can do?

[Loss Leader]

Is Falk out of line for suggesting:



Yes.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

Oh wow! The U.N. doing business with it's collective head stuck in it's backdoor? This is news! Oh look, a dog with a poofy tail!

[SDC]

http://www2.nysun.com/article/74465?page_no=2

Is Falk out of line for suggesting:

"It is possibly true that especially the neoconservatives thought there was a situation in the country and in the world where something had to happen to wake up the American people. Whether they are innocent about the contention that they made that something happen or not, I don't think we can answer definitively at this point. All we can say is there is a lot of grounds for suspicion, there should be an official investigation of the sort the 9/11 commission did not engage in and that the failure to do these things is cheating the American people and in some sense the people of the world of a greater confidence in what really happened than they presently possess."

In fact, "neoconservative" is another favorite term which, frequently, has taken on an anti-Semitic spin. One rarely sees Cheney or Rumsfeld accused of being one, or Bush for that matter. It's always the Jewish neoconservatives who get pointed out -- Wolfowitz, Feith etc.

I would suggest that the main use of the term is really "Jewish intellectual tied to the Republicans who supports Israel." Now, one can dislike Jews, intellectuals, Republicans, and Israel all in One Swell Foop. Or Fell Swoop, or something. Fellowitz Swoopstein?

Sorry, Red I. I'm not accusing you. I am speaking about general trends.

[RedIbis]

In fact, "neoconservative" is another favorite term which, frequently, has taken on an anti-Semitic spin. One rarely sees Cheney or Rumsfeld accused of being one, or Bush for that matter. It's always the Jewish neoconservatives who get pointed out -- Wolfowitz, Feith etc.

I would suggest that the main use of the term is really "Jewish intellectual tied to the Republicans who supports Israel." Now, one can dislike Jews, intellectuals, Republicans, and Israel all in One Swell Foop. Or Fell Swoop, or something. Fellowitz Swoopstein?

Sorry, Red I. I'm not accusing you. I am speaking about general trends.

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are all neoconservatives, as is Jeb Bush, Rice and other non Jews.

In fact, Falk himself is Jewish.

[pomeroo]

I'm sure it's merely coincidence that 9/11 provided the perfect pretext for the war without end that the neocons have been enjoying.


Just a suggestion: wouldn't it be a good idea to learn what neo-conservatism is and what neo-cons actually believe?

[pomeroo]

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are all neoconservatives, as is Jeb Bush, Rice and other non Jews.

In fact, Falk himself is Jewish.


Condoleeza Rice is very far from being a neo-con. Neither Dubya nor his brother is a neo-con. Rumsfeld is arguably a neo-con, while Cheney straddles the neo-con and realist camps.

[Sporanox]

So I guess I can draw two things here...

1) The UN is further solidifying its reputation as an ineffectual body. Wait...appointing Falk is not only ineffectual, but dangerous.

2) RedIbis once again has no evidence, only sarcastic red herrings.

[pomeroo]

And sadly, McCain will win the election. The only approval rating that matters is the Diebold approval.


Really, Red, what an incredibly stupid statement! You are totally incapable of showing anything Diebold has done that rises anywhere close to the level of fraud.

[RedIbis]

Just a suggestion: wouldn't it be a good idea to learn what neo-conservatism is and what neo-cons actually believe?

Of course. It's not that much of a mystery.

[pomeroo]

Of course. It's not that much of a mystery.


It's no mystery at all to sane people. To conspiracy liars, however, lots of mundane matters are profound mysteries.

[DGM]

Politics boys..........................----->

[pomeroo]

Politics boys..........................----->



Really? A man writes a foreword to one of David Ray Griffin's books and is praised by Kevin Barrett--this is poitics, not woo? Really?

(From the article cited by RedIbis)

"Mr. Barrett, who is the co-founder of the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth, said in an interview yesterday of Mr. Falk, "I would put him on a list of scholars who are sympathetic to the 9/11 truth movement."
He added, "Unlike most public intellectuals today, he is both honest and very, very knowledgeable in that he understands the probable reality of 9/11. He understands that the evidence that it was a false flag operation is very strong."

[chillzero]

Really? A man writes a foreword to one of David Ray Griffin's books and is praised by Kevin Barrett--this is poitics, not woo? Really?



No, bickering over whether Bush etc is or isn't a neocon, is politics.

[pomeroo]

No, bickering over whether Bush etc is or isn't a neocon, is politics.


I'm not letting you off the hook so easily. Asking if Bush is a neo-con to account for his willingness to spend more on entitlement programs than Clinton did is politics. Asking if Bush is a neo-con when the subtext is that neo-cons want to start wars for vague, incomprehensible reasons is woo. Neo-conservatism is a body of political opinion that holds that the realist approach to the Middle East, i.e., shoring up corrupt plutocracies, has not served the interests of America or the people of that benighted region. Neo-conservatism is not a scheme hatched by evil Joooos to conquer the world for Halliburton. RedIbis is not citing Richard Falk to initiate a political discussion. Read the quote from the article again.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

In fact, Falk himself is Jewish.

What then do we make of Falk rubber stamping Griffins work which made use of Holocaust deniers Eric Hufschmid and Chrissy Bollyn as sources?

Or Falk himself agreeing to be interviewed by Holocaust denier Kevin "Kill 'em all" Barret on Barrets radio show?

Does hanging out with people who defend Hitler strike you as a jewish thing to do?

[DGM]

Really? A man writes a foreword to one of David Ray Griffin's books and is praised by Kevin Barrett--this is poitics, not woo? Really?

(From the article cited by RedIbis)

"Mr. Barrett, who is the co-founder of the Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth, said in an interview yesterday of Mr. Falk, "I would put him on a list of scholars who are sympathetic to the 9/11 truth movement."
He added, "Unlike most public intellectuals today, he is both honest and very, very knowledgeable in that he understands the probable reality of 9/11. He understands that the evidence that it was a false flag operation is very strong."
My point (post) was more of a preventative measure. I know how you like to wind up when it comes to political discussions. I could just picture a Ron-Red bickering fest. (I know it's passion for the topic not bickering)

[Mince]

I don't think we could call the neo cons populist. There is nothing derogatory about the term. It's an accepted political designation of a very specific ideology.



"Neo-con" is a pejorative term of the same magnitude as, say, "faggot." It is used almost exclusively in the pejorative sense.

Ibis:

Do you really, really think that a government (or any rogue faction thereof) who allowed, planned, executed 9/11, while silencing almost the entirety of the national and international scientific community, would not influence any future "independent" investigation? You guys are living in some fantastical wonderland fantasy world.

C'mon, man! Use your head, Ibis.

[pomeroo]

My point (post) was more of a preventative measure. I know how you like to wind up when it comes to political discussions. I could just picture a Ron-Red bickering fest. (I know it's passion for the topic not bickering)


I understand your concern. I won't attempt to talk politics here, but please acknowledge that RedIbis has no interest in making political points.

[DGM]

I understand your concern. I won't attempt to talk politics here, but please acknowledge that RedIbis has no interest in making political points.
RedIbis has no interest in making any point. He's a "no-claimer".

[dudalb]

RedIbis has no interest in making any point. He's a "no-claimer".

Isn't he still insisting he is "Just Asking Questions?"

[Brainster]

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are all neoconservatives, as is Jeb Bush, Rice and other non Jews.

Brooks' law: If somebody uses the word neocon or neoconservative, 90% of the time the sentence will be untrue.

[Jonnyclueless]

What's gonna happen when Captain and Tennile start asking questions?