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Mondial
10th April 2008, 07:41 PM
This is from the truth is stranger than (propaganda) fiction department. The Jewish writer Gertrude Stein nominated Adolf Hitler for the Nobel Peace Prize -
www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n5p22_Weber.html (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n5p22_Weber.html)

drkitten
10th April 2008, 07:50 PM
This is from the truth is stranger than (propaganda) fiction department. The Jewish writer Gertrude Stein nominated Adolf Hitler for the Nobel Peace Prize -
www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n5p22_Weber.html (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n5p22_Weber.html)


The IHR are a well-known collection of liars and Nazi apologists. I see no reason to believe any of the statements in your cited article are actually true.

ETA: From their own website, they more or less admit to being primarily a Holocaust denial organization.


The IHR is sometimes mischaracterized as a “Holocaust denial” organization. This smear is completely at variance with the facts. The Institute does not “deny the Holocaust.” Every responsible scholar of twentieth century history acknowledges the great catastrophe that befell European Jewry during World War II.

All the same, the IHR has published detailed books and numerous probing essays that call into question aspects of the orthodox Holocaust extermination story, and highlight specific Holocaust exaggerations and falsehoods. IHR publications have devoted considerable attention to this issue because it plays an enormously significant role in the cultural and political life of America and much of the world. As a number of Jewish scholars have acknowledged, the “Holocaust” campaign is a major weapon in the Jewish-Zionist arsenal. It is used to justify otherwise unjustifiable Israeli policies, and to extort enormous sums of money, especially from European countries and companies.

Normal Dude
10th April 2008, 08:07 PM
If the IHR told me it was raining, I would check outside.

Wolfman
10th April 2008, 08:15 PM
If the IHR told me it was raining, I would check outside.If I was standing in the middle of a downpour, soaked to the skin, with thunder and lightning flashing all around me, and the IHR told me it was raining...I'd be skeptical ;)

JoeEllison
10th April 2008, 08:16 PM
Jeez... not that nasty pack of antisemitic scum. Again? Can't they give it up?

Gregory
10th April 2008, 08:45 PM
Wikipedia confirms that Stein said, "I say that Hitler ought to have the peace prize, because he is removing all the elements of contest and of struggle from Germany. By driving out the Jews and the democratic and Left element, he is driving out everything that conduces to activity. That means peace ... By suppressing Jews ... he was ending struggle in Germany," citing as its source New York Times Magazine, May 6, 1934. Wikipedia also says that she was being "sardonic," but five minutes of Googling doesn't really give a consensus on that.

a_unique_person
10th April 2008, 08:59 PM
This is from the truth is stranger than (propaganda) fiction department. The Jewish writer Gertrude Stein nominated Adolf Hitler for the Nobel Peace Prize -
www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n5p22_Weber.html (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n5p22_Weber.html)

Human being makes stupid mistake.


News at 11.

Normal Dude
10th April 2008, 09:00 PM
If I was standing in the middle of a downpour, soaked to the skin, with thunder and lightning flashing all around me, and the IHR told me it was raining...I'd be skeptical ;)

If I was in the middle of the ocean, and an IHR guy in a wetsuit told me I was wet, I would check just to make sure!

;)

hgc
10th April 2008, 09:31 PM
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Wikipedia also says that she was being "sardonic," but five minutes of Googling doesn't really give a consensus on that.


Knowing what I know about her, that's highly likely. But then, that's the way it goes with her brand of wit. There are people who will never get the dark humor or choose not to take it in any way but literally, for their own purposes.

SDC
11th April 2008, 10:25 AM
Maybe Gertie had just had a load of Alice B. Toklas' cookies when she made that statement.

"Don't Bogart those cookies, Alice...."

TX50
11th April 2008, 10:51 AM
The officer who nominated Hitler for his iron cross in WW1 was a jew.

Charlie Monoxide
11th April 2008, 12:40 PM
Wikipedia confirms that Stein said, "I say that Hitler ought to have the peace prize, because he is removing all the elements of contest and of struggle from Germany. By driving out the Jews and the democratic and Left element, he is driving out everything that conduces to activity. That means peace ... By suppressing Jews ... he was ending struggle in Germany," citing as its source New York Times Magazine, May 6, 1934. Wikipedia also says that she was being "sardonic," but five minutes of Googling doesn't really give a consensus on that.I'm sure right after she said that she added "not!" ....

Charlie (contextual perversions) Monoxide


PS Then the reporter added "if you like Hitler so much, why don't you marry him?"

dudalb
11th April 2008, 03:32 PM
The IHR's level of reliability among reputable historians is 0.0000000.

NoZed Avenger
12th April 2008, 03:20 AM
The IHR's level of reliability among reputable historians is 0.0000000.


Your number seems a little high to me.

MG1962
12th April 2008, 04:36 PM
Knowing what I know about her, that's highly likely. But then, that's the way it goes with her brand of wit. There are people who will never get the dark humor or choose not to take it in any way but literally, for their own purposes.

Yes, often humour designed for half-wits is misunderstood by quarter-wits

David Swidler
13th April 2008, 03:04 AM
Yes, often humour designed for half-wits is misunderstood by quarter-wits

I don't get it.

a_unique_person
13th April 2008, 05:43 AM
Knowing what I know about her, that's highly likely. But then, that's the way it goes with her brand of wit. There are people who will never get the dark humor or choose not to take it in any way but literally, for their own purposes.

She was being sarcastic.

hgc
13th April 2008, 11:12 AM
Yes, often humour designed for half-wits is misunderstood by quarter-wits


:roll:

Glen.Nogami
13th April 2008, 01:12 PM
The nobel peace prize is not exactly known for its reliability in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Gandhi) choosing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger) exceptional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin) or (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat) well-deserving (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore) candidates. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa) Frankly, my response to Hitler's induction would be "Join the club."

hgc
14th April 2008, 08:48 PM
The nobel peace prize is not exactly known for its reliability in (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Gandhi) choosing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger) exceptional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin) or (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat) well-deserving (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore) candidates. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa) Frankly, my response to Hitler's induction would be "Join the club."


Of course this thread has nothing to do with who has actually been selected to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. But as long as you've gone off on a tangent, I followed your first link, which was to M. Gandhi. Just curious: What's wrong with that selection? Why does Hitler belong in that company?

Gurdur
14th April 2008, 09:09 PM
Of course this thread has nothing to do with who has actually been selected to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. But as long as you've gone off on a tangent, I followed your first link, which was to M. Gandhi. Just curious: What's wrong with that selection? Why does Hitler belong in that company?

Glen Nogami doesn't like non-smoker vegetarians? :p

Loss Leader
14th April 2008, 09:25 PM
This is from the truth is stranger than (propaganda) fiction department. The Jewish writer Gertrude Stein nominated Adolf Hitler for the Nobel Peace Prize -
www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n5p22_Weber.html (http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n5p22_Weber.html)


This just in: There is no open nominating process for the Nobel Prize.

(Because the IHR wouldn't know a fact if it was wearing a "fact" t-shirt, shouting "FACT!" and waving a big "fact" foam finger)

Foolmewunz
14th April 2008, 09:43 PM
If I was in the middle of the ocean, and an IHR guy in a wetsuit told me I was wet, I would check just to make sure!

;)

If an IHR guy in a wetsuit was to show up in my ocean, I'd shoot him. :spjimlad:

ETA: Mondial, have you thought of taking a long vacation? Forever sounds reasonable. I mean that in the nicest way, of course. Posts citing anti-semitic and holocaust denial site, white supremacists, neo-nazis, etc... are NOT evidence of anything other than the disgusting agenda of the site you got it from. This old BS was passed around at retro-conservative get-togethers as long ago as the 60s. No one with half-a-brain believed it then, yet you're trotting it out almost fifty years after I first heard it.

Glen.Nogami
14th April 2008, 09:56 PM
Of course this thread has nothing to do with who has actually been selected to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. But as long as you've gone off on a tangent, I followed your first link, which was to M. Gandhi. Just curious: What's wrong with that selection? Why does Hitler belong in that company?

Gandhi did not win the prize, which has been rather strongly questioned by some.

everyone is helped by the passive voice

Glen Nogami doesn't like non-smoker vegetarians?

And no. No, I don't. :p

ETA: I was going to argue its pertinence, but that'd be an even worse derail. Carry on, folks.

Gurdur
15th April 2008, 05:46 AM
Gandhi did not win the prize,
So the connection between Hitler and Gandhi is that neither won the Nobel Peace Prize? And that's the basis for an attack on the Nobel Peace Prize? Goodness.
And no. No, I don't.
I'm a telepathic non-vegetarian smoker. :p I knew this was so.

I was going to argue its pertinence

Oh, I think we're arguing the pertinence alright; your remarks seemed quite confused.

Damien Evans
15th April 2008, 08:33 AM
So the connection between Hitler and Gandhi is that neither won the Nobel Peace Prize? And that's the basis for an attack on the Nobel Peace Prize? Goodness.

I'm a telepathic non-vegetarian smoker. :p I knew this was so.



Oh, I think we're arguing the pertinence alright; your remarks seemed quite confused.

No, what I think his basis is is that Ghandi didn't win it, but guys like Arafat have.

Gurdur
15th April 2008, 08:36 AM
No, what I think his basis is is that Ghandi didn't win it, but guys like Arafat have.

Let him spell it out for himself. As it is, it's still a very poor argument even with your improvement of it.

Glen.Nogami
15th April 2008, 04:45 PM
So the connection between Hitler and Gandhi is that neither won the Nobel Peace Prize? And that's the basis for an attack on the Nobel Peace Prize? Goodness.
The point was that the prize has gone to questionable recipients, and passed right over quite deserving ones.

Oh, I think we're arguing the pertinence alright; your remarks seemed quite confused.

Alright, if you wish. It was mostly a potshot at the peace prize, which is a notably unreliable institution for choosing those who advanced the cause of peace. Hitler, while certainly more egregious than Arafat et al, differs from other questionable recipients by degree, not kind.

Gravy
16th April 2008, 05:48 AM
NVM