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boloboffin
11th April 2008, 12:00 PM
We've an interesting fellow that showed up at DU recently. I've only noticed some weirdness that occurred between my Firefox and his website, but others are drawing him out, and his story is a dilly.

Robert Schopmeyer claims to have figured out the 9/11 attacks were going to happen in February 2001. He got al-Qaeda flying hijacked planes into the WTC buildings around the first two weeks of September 2001. He figured out it would take teams of four or five, sitting by themselves or in groups of two in business and first class. He figured out the use of 4-inch knives to get past security. This was all based on his hearing about bin Laden's fatwa, divining the plan, and counting up the months it would take to train and carry out the attacks.

Furthermore, he realized that the next attack would be a shoe bomb.

The only thing he didn't do was DOCUMENT THAT HE KNEW THIS BEFORE 9/11. He didn't go to the FBI because people urged him not to. He had nothing but speculation. He even was in Logan Airport on September 8, and looked around to see if the hijackers could have gotten knifes aboard. But again, no documentation of this foreknowledge whatsoever.

Now he knows just why, if he had gone to the FBI and the CIA, they wouldn't have done anything anyway. And you can read about it in his book, available for purchase at his buggy website (amazingly enough, he may work for a software company that sells debugging softward!).

http://www.eventson911.com/

A sample:

So I had a meeting with the 15 people who worked for me (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=200795&mesg_id=201281) that were going to DAC in Las Vegas the next week. I started off by saying every one knew I had been talking about the huge attack on the World Trade Center Towers since February, and one of the sales persons was very concerned that these terrorists might be on our flights to Las Vegas. While I personally thought it was very unlikely I did not want anyone killed while they traveled for the company. So I said just in case they might be on our flights, look for these terrorists on your flight. They will be very easy to spot 4 or 5 young middle eastern males sitting together in twos and threes in business and first class. They dead give away is that they will never give you eye contact. I went on to say if anyone spots them on their flight, they should get right off of their flight throw their ticket away and buy a new ticket. I further went on to say, "Do not say anything to anyone. Everyone is worth far more than the price of a ticket to Las Vegas." I went on to say "if you tell security these people were terrorists you will be immediately arrested not the terrorists. The security people will never arrest the terrorists but will for sure arrest them." I went on to say: "THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY ARE DESIGNED TO ALLOW THESE TERRORISTS TO GET ON THESE AIRPLANES UNMOLESTED AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THIS!" (The terrorists flew to California and then took National Airlines from Califronia to Las Vegas, the same airline on the same week end we did and were in Las Vegas the second week in June, the exact same week we were in Las Vegas for DAC. GO FIGURE) I had known about the FAA ruling that allowed passengers to board with 4-inch knives and had been worried about that since the middle 1990s, but was unaware that if two middles eastern people were questioned who were on the same flight because it was thought they might be terrorists, it was an immediate fine of $1.500,000.00. It looks like the FAA and Norman Mineta basically did everything they could to ensure the terrorists would not be stopped while getting on board an aircraft. I did not know this until after the attacks on 9/11.

To summarize: he figured it all out, he didn't document this at all, and you can read all about it after you buy his book. Enjoy.

johnny karate
11th April 2008, 12:03 PM
I knew this was going to happen.

Brainster
11th April 2008, 12:05 PM
Aw, and here I was hoping that this was going to be a post about Rick Rescorla (http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=74483).

"Men of Cornwall, stop your dreaming,
Can't you see their spear-points gleaming?"

Drudgewire
11th April 2008, 12:07 PM
I knew the Giants were going to beat the Patriots this year, but for some reason when I went to bookies asking them to pay me even though I never laid down a bet they just punched me in the face. :(

Gord_in_Toronto
11th April 2008, 12:08 PM
There are a lot of sad and deluded people in the World. This may be one of them. :(

boloboffin
11th April 2008, 12:10 PM
I had not heard of Rick Rescorla. Wow. It's nice to know that to balance this.

SkepticGuy
11th April 2008, 12:20 PM
Actually, in the more serene pre-9/11 online conspiracy theory environment, there was some degree of "buzz" that something was about to happen.

I provided some evidence in this prior post on JREF:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2736082#post2736082

From April of 2001...
"In taping an interview with Stew Webb, he mentioned that his government sources feel we could see war in this country possibly as early as August. Stew said his sources definitely think it's coming before the end of the year. I heard Mr. Webb speak on WLW 700am on Sci Zone http://www.scizone.com last night and he said, he has proof we will be attacked in August 2001, and it's a conspiracy of our govt."

Much of the content from that era is lost... but that's one example of some conspiracy theory chatter prior to 9/11.

Brainster
11th April 2008, 12:29 PM
I had not heard of Rick Rescorla. Wow. It's nice to know that to balance this.

One of the many real heroes of that day. Of course, being a hero came naturally to him.

Jonnyclueless
11th April 2008, 01:08 PM
I predicted 9/11 too. Every single detail. Unfortunately I forgot to write it down.

Hellbound
11th April 2008, 01:25 PM
I predicted 9/11 too. Every single detail. Unfortunately I forgot to write it down.

I tried to write them down, but my crayons kept breaking. ANd the nurses won't let me have any sharp writing utensils.

Jonnyclueless
11th April 2008, 01:37 PM
well, you know how finger paints get. They dry up so fast I didn't get to write my predictions down. but I still have the horsie I made just beforehand as proof.

LashL
12th April 2008, 01:34 PM
And you can read about it in his book, available for purchase at his buggy website (amazingly enough, he may work for a software company that sells debugging software!).


Yes, indeed. It does appear that it's the same Robert Schopmeyer who is the president of Veritools.


<snip>Nearly six years after the Sept. 11 attacks, Los Altos resident Robert Schopmeyer believes his predictions of what was to come are the authoritative account. In a hefty, self-published book, “Prior Knowledge of 9/11,” he lays out his case, adding to a growing repository of alternative storylines on the events.


Through sheer logic and some imagination, Schopmeyer said he was able to foretell the terrorist plot - including the targets, the date, the flight numbers and later, the ages and nationalities of the al-Qaida members who crashed the planes into the World Trade Center towers - seven months before the event.


Schopmeyer, the president of Veritools, a software company in Los Altos, claims he unraveled the entire sequence of terrorist planning on a business flight from San Francisco to the East Coast in February 2001, but he didn’t come forward until after the attacks, fearful of the reprisal and disbelief that might bar him from telling his story in the future.


“If I went to the FBI and had no credible proof of what I was saying, they would have blackballed me from talking to them in the future. They would feel I was just wasting their time,” said Schopmeyer, who added that he recently spoke to FBI agent Vince Tagieri.

More at this link (http://www.losaltosonline.com/2007/08/01/in-new-book-los-altan-claims-he-predicted-911-attacks/), including a photo.

And: http://www.veritools.com/industry_solutions/success_stories.html
And: http://www.coolverification.com/2007/02/veritools_most_.html

boloboffin
12th April 2008, 02:02 PM
He's just said that most of the plot he figured out in hindsight, after the attacks.

I had come to the conclusion that the terrorists had started planning the attack on the World Trade Center Towers in February 1999, and had sent the first pilots into the US in February 2000. I had come to the conclusion that the first pilots had started taking flying lessons by May 2000, three months after they first came into the US.

...I had come to the conclusion that they were going to hijack 767 and 757 type aircraft from eastern airports in the first two weeks of September.

...On the flight as I was going over these very issues I came to the conclusion that there must have been over 200,00 flights during the first two weeks in September 2001, I would have to sort through to find the flights that were going to be used in this attack and thought this was just way too daunting. I did not even want to try to figure this out, just thinking about solving this problem was giving me a head ache. After 9/11 I realized that I had been just minutes away from answering all of these questions had I not given up so soon.

So this is a man who seems to have taken Al Qaeda at their word and managed to sort out a basic strategy that Al Qaeda was indeed embarked upon. Now in hindsight Schopmeyer believes he (and a specific FBI agent he has identified in hindsight) had enough information to have worked out seat numbers, flight numbers, routes the planes would take, the exact places the planes would hit, everything.

Comsat Angel
12th April 2008, 02:10 PM
Yawn. Another 7-years-later-wannabe crawling out of the woodwork.
These peope ought to weigh their ability to squeeze money out of the deluded against the fact that it's taken so long for them to utter forth the words of truth.

njslim
12th April 2008, 02:24 PM
6 months before 9/11 in March 2001 took course in WEAPONS MASS DESTRUCTION -
OPERATIONS. Had as our course book the infamous "Cross hairs on North Tower" picture
on cover. Instructor took time to point out that since WTC had been bombed before
terrorists would probably be back. Was opinion of many in this area ( just across
Hudson from NY)

Cl1mh4224rd
12th April 2008, 02:25 PM
Robert Schopmeyer claims to have figured out the 9/11 attacks were going to happen in February 2001.


David Icke predicted 9/11 back in 1998!

No, seriously... someone actually claimed that: http://digg.com/comedy/9_11_Conspiracy_Theories_Ridiculous_Al_Qaeda_Says_ 2?t=14114737#c14126525

ElMondoHummus
12th April 2008, 02:53 PM
Aw, and here I was hoping that this was going to be a post about Rick Rescorla (http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=74483).


That's exactly who I was thinking of, too.

boloboffin
12th April 2008, 03:17 PM
6 months before 9/11 in March 2001 took course in WEAPONS MASS DESTRUCTION -
OPERATIONS. Had as our course book the infamous "Cross hairs on North Tower" picture
on cover. Instructor took time to point out that since WTC had been bombed before
terrorists would probably be back. Was opinion of many in this area ( just across
Hudson from NY)

Yes, exactly. The few things Schopmeyer figured out was available to anyone with a few minutes' thought, as Mr. Rescorla shows. And he could just as easily have been wrong. Schopmeyer admits that he gave up at a certain point, thinking anything further was hopeless, and it was. He's now stunned at how much he'd guessed, and in the reverie of 20/20 hindsight thinks he could have (and probably should have) figured out the entire plot.

That is, taking him at his word, which I'm oddly inclined to do.