[Merged]911 coincidences

[l0rca]

Before I begin, I'd like to say how embarrassed I am to be curious about this. I hope a few of you can be kind enough to my silliness and politely explain away these items:


1) New York City has 11 letters



2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.



3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.



4) George W Bush has 11 letters.



5) The two twin towers make an "11"



This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:




1) New York is the 11th state.



2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number

11.



3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11



4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers.

6+5 = 11



5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 = 11



6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911.

9 + 1 + 1 = 11.



Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:
1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. >2 + 5 + 4 = 11.



2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year.

Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.



3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.



4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers

incident.



Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:
Now this is where things get totally eerie:



The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic



holy book:

"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."



That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.



Still uncovinced about all of this..?! Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:


Open Microsoft Word and do the following(TRY THIS FOR REAL)



1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first

plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.



2. Highlight the Q33 NY



3. Change the font size to 48.



4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS 1

[Charlieluv]

Where or how'd you come up with all this?......creepy

[Matthew Best]

Check Snopes.com to see that large parts of this email are FALSE.

I am not yet able to post links but the page is at:

snopes.com/rumors/coincidence.asp

[Class]

2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number

11.


1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first

plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.


It pretty much contradicts itself right there.

[TobiasTheViking]

Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:

Yes.

Well, Sheer coincidence and people reading too much into insignificant things.

[gtc]

Yes.

Well, Sheer coincidence and people reading too much into insignificant things.

There are two letters i in TobiasTheCommie. Put them together and you get 11.

There are 9 letters in both TobiasThe and TheCommie. That is, there are two ways to get 9 letters. Two in Roman numerals is II. That's 9/11 right there.

[gumboot]

1) New York City has 11 letters

Coincidence.



2) Afghanistan has 11 letters.

Coincidence.



3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.

His name is Ramzi Yousef (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzi_Yousef). He used the name Abdul Karim (10 letters). The others directly involved; Ahmad Ajaj, Mohammed Salameh and Mahmud Abouhalima have 9 letters, 15 letters, and 16 letters respectively in their names.




4) George W Bush has 11 letters.

George Bush as 10 letters... George Walker Bush has 16. Why use initials for one name and not for all others?




5) The two twin towers make an "11"

The Pentagon forms a... pentagon. And?





1) New York is the 11th state.

That's not entirely true. It was the 11th State to Ratify the US Constitution, however the United States of America was officially formed by the Articles of Confederation. New York was one of the eight states to sign the Article on the first day, 9 July, 1778.




2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11.

Coincidence.





3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11

92 people in total - 11 crew, 76 passengers and 5 hijackers.




4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6+5 = 11

AA77 hit the Pentagon, not the twin towers. The flights which hit the twin towers were UA175 and AA11.

AA77 had 64 people on board - 53 passengers, 5 hijackers, and 6 crew.




5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1+ 1 = 11

or 12/09 if you live in New Zealand...




6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911.

9 + 1 + 1 = 11.

Tragic irony, that.





1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. >2 + 5 + 4 = 11.

The total number of victims was 246 on the four aircraft. Including the hijackers (who were not victims) gives a total of 265.

AA11
11 crew
76 passengers

UA175
9 crew
51 passengers

AA77
6 crew
53 passengers

UA93
7 crew
33 passengers




2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.

Coincidence.




3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11.

Coincidence.




4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers
incident.

912 actually. 2004 was a leap year. (Incidentally on 29 February, 2004, Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King won 11 Academy Awards ;) )




The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:

"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."

That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.

Nope.

But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.
-Qu'ran 9:11




1. Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers.

2. Highlight the Q33 NY

3. Change the font size to 48.

4. Change the actual font to the WINGDINGS 1

Um... the flight numbers of the two aircraft that hit the towers were 11 and 175. In fact your own post names the first flight that hit the twin towers as 11...

Perhaps you mean tail registration number?

AA11 - Boeing 767-223ER registration N334AA
UA175 - Boeing 767-222 registration N612UA

For more information on this hoax go here (http://www.hoax-slayer.com/wingdings-911.html).

Information can all be confirmed by Wikipedia.

-Andrew

[l0rca]

TobiasTheCommie, for self-conscious vindication, those phrases are a part of the copy-paste job I did.

I guess I just don't know enough about this conspiracy theory baloney or its resources on the internet to suit my curiosity well enough. And, I'm sort of lazy.

Thank you, gumboot.

[gumboot]

TobiasTheCommie, for self-conscious vindication, those phrases are a part of the copy-paste job I did.

I guess I just don't know enough about this conspiracy theory baloney or its resources on the internet to suit my curiosity well enough. And, I'm sort of lazy.

Thank you, gumboot.


:)

I remember getting this same email not long after 9/11 (long long long before I had the most remote interest in any 9/11 conspiracy theories). I just figured it was all rather spooky coincidences.

Of course it never even crossed my mind to doubt the information given... thanks to the skeptics at JREF now I know better. :D

-Andrew

[Marquis de Carabas]

George Bush as 10 letters... George Walker Bush has 16. Why use initials for one name and not for all others?
Not trying to defend this claptrap in any way, but "George W Bush" is the most common way to present the President's name. We don't generally go three names except with assassins, and we put the W in there to differentiate from Daddy Bush. So, I think this can be fairly added to the list of things that are coincidental. Which is kinda nifty, but not meaningful.

Tragic irony, that.
Either that, or a bit of crafty symbolism on the part of the terrorists. Either way, again not meaningful.

[Regnad Kcin]

Who uses Wingdings, anyway?

[gtc]

Who uses Wingdings, anyway?

It has the nicest 'tick' mark that I have come across.

[Marquis de Carabas]

One easy way to assuage any doubts you have about these number coincidences in general is to work a bit of math to get a rough idea how likely it is that something will be coincidental anyway. I'll use 9 and 11, for relevance, but this can be worked out for any numerology-type wacko stuff.

Just between 1-1000 there are 111 numbers divisible by nine and 90 divisible by 11. Chucking out 10 for overlap, we have 191 numbers divisible by one of the two. In that same span, there are 37 numbers whose digits sum simply to nine and 54 which sum to 11.

There's 282 numbers out of 1000 that can simply be tied back to either 9 or 11. If you pick a number at random, you've got almost a 3 in 10 chance of finding a coincidence.

And that's limiting ourseles to fairly basic ways of breaking down the numbers. We could always add in numbers that are divisble by or sum to 20 (which is 9+11), or what about numbers such as 222, where the addition of a single operation can get us back to one of our base numbers (22/2=11). The possibilities are almost endless.

Once you've got a grasp of that idea, think of how many numbers are in some way associated with September 11th. There's the number of planes, the number of passengers--on any one plane, or on any combination of two or more planes, the number of victims in the WTC, in the Pentagon, the latitude and longitude where Flight 93 crashed, the times... and on and on.

It would be quite impressive if nothing made a coincidence when you realise how loose the rules are.

[chran]

Information can all be confirmed by Wikipedia. Information ... confirmed ... Wikipedia ...

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! *wipes eyes*

Thanks, I needed that! ;)

[Cheesejoff]

New York has 2 words

Middle East has 2 words

There were 2 religions involved: Islam and Christianity.

There are 2 letters in U.S

There were 2 planes crashing into 2 towers.

Each terrorist had 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 ears, 2 eyes - AND SO DID THE PILOT! COINCIDENCE?!?

The attacks were carried out on 9/11: 11 minus 9 is 2....

Coincidence? You decide..

[gumboot]

Coincidence? You decide..


I've got a better one...

Any number involved in 9/11, when multiplied by 0 equals...

0!!!!!!

OMFG Conspirat0r!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From Zero what can we determine?

"Ground Zero" is the common name for a nuclear blast site, so we know it's something to do with nuclear war.

Also "Zero" was the name of a famous WW2 fighter - the Mitsubishi A6M Zero-Sen. The Zero was heavily involved in...

Pearl Harbor. PNAC... New Pearl Harbor...

The Allied codename for the Zero-Sen was "Zeke". Zeke rhymes with "Sheik".

So.

Nuclear War. New Pearl Harbor. Sheik.

Clearly the globalists are planning a nuclear war against the Middle East.

-Andrew

[Cuddles]

Not trying to defend this claptrap in any way, but "George W Bush" is the most common way to present the President's name. We don't generally go three names except with assassins, and we put the W in there to differentiate from Daddy Bush. So, I think this can be fairly added to the list of things that are coincidental. Which is kinda nifty, but not meaningful.

In Britain we just call him "[rule 8]".

Either that, or a bit of crafty symbolism on the part of the terrorists. Either way, again not meaningful.

Most of the world use the more logical day/month/year format for dates so I doubt the terrorists even noticed any connections with 911.

[Cheesejoff]

Any number involved in 9/11, when multiplied by 0 equals...

0!!!!!!

...

Clearly the globalists are planning a nuclear war against the Middle East.



You're right! Quick, let's make up and/or distort some facts to support our theory, leak some 'classified government documents', computer generate some dodgy looking pictures then sell our theory and make money off unsuspecting gullible people!

We need the money to fight teh illum1nati!!!!11!!

[Pardalis]

Of course "11" looks like the silhouette of the two towers, but do you think it was intended by the terrorist or just a sick ironic twist of faith?

Does anybody think terrorist could be this fancy?

[Darth Rotor]

Of course "11" looks like the silhouette of the two towers, but do you think it was intended by the terrorist or just a sick ironic twist of faith?

Does anybody think terrorist could be this fancy?
Do yo honestly think the 9-11 date was not chosen for a symbolic purpose by the attackers? I believe it was. 3-11 in Madrid was also chosen for an explicit, symbolic purpose. I can't recall what it was at the moment. Will get back to you after I dig around a bit.

Those two terror attacks, and many other terror attacks, are as symbolic in intent as they are murderous. The bombing in Samarra of the Shiite mosque a few months back was very symbolic in intent.

Q33 NY in Wingdings is rather spooky, however, I don't understand what Q33 has to do with 9, 11, or any of the flights. Was it the fare code on some tickets?

DR

[Matthew Best]

Do yo honestly think the 9-11 date was not chosen for a symbolic purpose by the attackers? I believe it was. 3-11 in Madrid was also chosen for an explicit, symbolic purpose. I can't recall what it was at the moment. Will get back to you after I dig around a bit.

So in both cases it was a specific symbolic purpose, but one that is not really clear, or that you can't remember?

Seems like they could have done a better job if they really wanted to signify something....

[Darth Rotor]

So in both cases it was a specific symbolic purpose, but one that is not really clear, or that you can't remember?

Seems like they could have done a better job if they really wanted to signify something....
I can't remember the 3-11, though it was discussed in the news within a day or two of the Madrid attack. I'll get back to you.

DR

[Pardalis]

I can't remember the 3-11, though it was discussed in the news within a day or two of the Madrid attack. I'll get back to you.

DR

It was probably in reference to the 9/11 attack. Was 3/11 also a tuesday morning?

[Darth Rotor]

It was probably in reference to the 9/11 attack. Was 3/11 also a tuesday morning?
3-11 2004 was a Thursday.

Darn, the 3-11 attack was an anniversary of some significance. It may have been the trial of some terrorist leader, or his conviction, and I am now wracking my brain to dig out the connection. It was an anniversary, not an Islamic holy day or anything:

Muslim Holy Days in 2004
Saturday, 31 January - DAY OF HAJJ (Pilgrimage)
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Sunday, 1 February - EID-UL- ADHA (Day of Sacrifice)
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Sunday, 22 February - MUHARRAM (Islamic New Year)
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Tuesday, 2 March - DAY OF AASHURAH (10th Day)
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Sunday, 2 May - BIRTH OF PROPHET (Peace be upon Him)
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Sunday, 12 September - LAYLATUL MERAAJ - EVE (Ascension to Heaven)
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Wednesday, 29 September - LAYLATUL BARAAT (Night of Emancipation)
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Saturday, 16 October - COMMENCEMENT OF RAMADHAAN (Fasting)
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Sunday, 14 November - EID-UL FITR (Termination of Fasting)

I think the 9-11 was deliberately chosen to tie in to 9-11, to send a message to Americans, but other folks have some interesting ideas on that, not sure how valid they are.
12. "11 Years To The Day" -- On September 11, 1990, President George Bush (Sr.) delivered a speech to the Congress entitled, "Moving Toward A New World Order". Precisely 11 years to the day after President Bush delivered this speech praising the New World Order, and declaring it to be an inevitable fact, a mighty blow was struck to move the world finally into this global world system. Another of President Bush's infamous quotes also came from this Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, when he said in August, 1990, that "this invasion shall not stand, because it threatens the New World Order." Once the Senior Bush introduced this term to the general public, everyone started using it. Dan Quayle appeared on a great many television programs, explaining this term and telling everyone what a wonderful concept it was. British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and Gorbachev suddenly began using this term, a formerly very hidden term reserved only for the readers of select occult material.
I know, that smells of Illuminati conspiracies and such, but it is a curious coincidence.

Edit and Note*Note: Perhaps my memory was playing tricks on me, and I am confusing Madrid and the Ashura bombings of 2 March 2004.

March 2: Ashoura Massacre: Suicide bombings at Shia holy sites in Iraq kill 181 and wound more than 500 during the Ashura Massacres.
Pakistan: March 2: Attack on procession of Shia Muslims in Pakistan kills 43 and wounds 160.

DR

[Rodney]

Darn, the 3-11 attack was an anniversary of some significance. It may have been the trial of some terrorist leader, or his conviction, and I am now wracking my brain to dig out the connection. It was an anniversary, not an Islamic holy day or anything. You may be thinking of the fact that this attack: (a) occurred on the 30-month anniversary of 9-11, and (b) occurred after 911 days had passed since 9-11. (March 11, 2004 was 912 days after September 11, 2001, but another way of looking at is that between September 12, 2001 and March 10, 2004 911 days passed with no attack.)

[Pardalis]

Are terrorists also numerologists? :D

[CFLarsen]

I am way ahead of you all. :)

Uri Geller - The number of the fleeced (http://www.skepticreport.com/psychics/uri-11.htm)

[Pardalis]

Uri Geller... It's about time he showed up!

[Darth Rotor]

Are terrorists also numerologists? :D
No, but symbolism is an important aspect of terror attacks by some groups. Terrorist attacks are not just mayhem meant to cause bloodshed and fear, they are also intended to get inside the heads and emotions of the selected audience of sheeple.

Be careful when measuring another man's wheat by your own bushel. He may be motivated by different things than you, and sees the world through a different lens.

DR

[The Don]

Uri Geller... It's about time he showed up!
Is this the skeptic equivalent version of Godwinning ?

[Rodney]

No, but symbolism is an important aspect of terror attacks by some groups. Terrorist attacks are not just mayhem meant to cause bloodshed and fear, they are also intended to get inside the heads and emotions of the selected audience of sheeple.

Be careful when measuring another man's wheat by your own bushel. He may be motivated by different things than you, and sees the world through a different lens.
Hmmm. The Madrid bombing of March 11, 2004 was 912 days after 9-11. That same number of days from March 11, 2004 brings us to September 9, 2006 -- just 30 days from now. Of course, there have been other terrorist attacks since 9-11 -- most notably Bali, which occurred on October 12, 2002 (396 days after 9-11) and London, which occurred on July 7, 2005 (1395 days after 9-11 and 483 days after March 12, 2004). It could be that Al Qaeda plans an attack for a general time period and then zeroes in on the exact date based on numerology, or it could be just a coincidence.

[gumboot]

Do yo honestly think the 9-11 date was not chosen for a symbolic purpose by the attackers? I believe it was.


I don't. I can't see any evidence at all that it was. Given that the date is 11/9 to most of the world, it becomes even less significant.

The only reason that day was chosen, that I am aware of, is mid-week flights have less people on them, therefore the flights would be easier for the Hijackers to control.




Q33 NY in Wingdings is rather spooky, however, I don't understand what Q33 has to do with 9, 11, or any of the flights. Was it the fare code on some tickets?

The claim is that this was the flight number for one of the planes that hit the twin towers. It isn't of course, the flight numbers were 11 and 175. The number is similar in format to a tail registration number, however none of the 9/11 aircraft had that registration.

The "coincidence" is less profound when you consider the following:

1) The wingdings symbol for "3" is actually meant to represent a sheet of paper with lines of writing on it.

2) There was no relevant Jewish connection to 9/11

-Andrew

[gumboot]

Hmmm. The Madrid bombing of March 11, 2004 was 912 days after 9-11. That same number of days from March 11, 2004 brings us to September 9, 2006 -- just 30 days from now. Of course, there have been other terrorist attacks since 9-11 -- most notably Bali, which occurred on October 12, 2002 (396 days after 9-11) and London, which occurred on July 7, 2005 (1395 days after 9-11 and 483 days after March 12, 2004). It could be that Al Qaeda plans an attack for a general time period and then zeroes in on the exact date based on numerology, or it could be just a coincidence.


I doubt there's any pattern to their attacks. The days between 9/11 and the Madrid Bombings was only pulled up as significant because they calculated it as 911 - not taking into account the fact that 2004 was a leap year so it's actually 912 days.

The only genuine "pattern" is in the Indonesian attacks - there has been one every year since 2002 between August and October. So 2006's attack is due some time in the next couple of months.

-Andrew

[Marquis de Carabas]

Do yo honestly think the 9-11 date was not chosen for a symbolic purpose by the attackers? I believe it was.
Even though I mentioned it earlier, I can't say I believe it. I count it a possibility, but failing some actual evidence to back it up, that's all it is, and all it will ever be.

However, I also don't think the rest of the world using 11/9 for the date is significant to the discussion at all. They were attacking US targets. If they were going to use symbolism, they would use symoblism relevant to the US. It's not like al-Qaeda is unaware of the difference in date formatting.

[CFLarsen]

Is this the skeptic equivalent version of Godwinning ?
Ah, but of course!! Make a SkeptiWiki entry on that one... :)

[SwissSkeptic]

I am way ahead of you all. :)

Uri Geller - The number of the fleeced (http://www.skepticreport.com/psychics/uri-11.htm)

You are Uri Geller? :eek:

[gfunkusarelius]

if the terrorists were picking dates for symbolic reasons, wouldnt they mention it? i mean, maybe they want to keep us guessing, but, to me, the "they picked this date for a reason" seems just as fishy as the numerology crap for 9/11. that is to say, if you look hard enough for some sort of reason, you will find it. yeah, of course if you look thru islamic history (over 1000years?) you will find something on any given date that could be interpreted as very important.
anyway, if they really wanted to be symbolic, i would think july 4th (for american attacks) or something would be best.

[GodisEnergy]

dont forget that exactly 11 years before 911 to the minute. bush said this
the video made a mistake i checked it out on Whitehouse.gov and found the transcript
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Also dont forget the wtc was 110 stories tall
and pentagon was built on sep 11 1940.Pentagon is a Occult symbol for freemasonry and kabbalistic ritual sacrifices because its the inside of a satanic pentagram :eek:

[GodisEnergy]

here more coincidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuTVHTqAyc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dchY2FMMkI

[HeyLeroy]

Holy resurrection, Batman!

[GodisEnergy]

researching 911 im still amazed i keep learning of coincidences every day.i think i count 600+
http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2002.html

theres another good sight but spooks blocked it out

[LashL]

The word "research" and a link to the site of the utter moron and lunatic, "Killtown" do not belong in the same sentence. Hell, they do not belong in the same paragraph, the same page, or the same tome.

Seriously.

You're going to have to try harder. :rolleyes:

[gumboot]

dont forget that exactly 11 years before 911 to the minute. bush said this

Wrong...

Mr. President, Mr. Speaker, members of the Congress, distinguished guests, fellow Americans, thank very much for that warm welcome. We gather tonight, witness to events in the Persian Gulf as significant as they are tragic.

Source (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Toward_a_New_World_Order)

[stateofgrace]

dont forget that exactly 11 years before 911 to the minute. bush said this
the video made a mistake i checked it out on Whitehouse.gov and found the transcript
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Also dont forget the wtc was 110 stories tall
and pentagon was built on sep 11 1940.Pentagon is a Occult symbol for freemasonry and kabbalistic ritual sacrifices because its the inside of a satanic pentagram :eek:


From and including: Friday, 11 August 2006
To, but not including : Saturday, 12 April 2008
It is 610 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
Or 1 year, 8 months, 1 day excluding the end date
Alternative time units

610 days can be converted to one of these units:

52,704,000 seconds
878,400 minutes
14,640 hours
87 weeks (rounded down)

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?d1=11&m1=8&y1=2006&d2=12&m2=4&y2=2008

Seconds

5+2+7+0+4+0+0+0 =18,

1+8 = 9

Minutes

8+7+8+4+0+0 = 27

2 + 7 = 9

Hours

1+4+6+4+0 = 15

Add 15 to 9 gives 24.

Then use 4-2 =2. Which is 1+1.

Take the first value 9, and add the last two and you get 911.

Coincidence? I think not, thank you for resurrecting a thread that is 610 days old and proving absolulety zero.

[CHF]

I thought Killtown was "disinfo."

[Totovader]

Claiming coincidences are impossible (or inventing coincidences to make them seem impossible) is no substitution for evidence.

In all your "research", GE, what evidence have you come across to support your absurd conspiracist fantasy?

[GodisEnergy]

Wrong...


what do you mean its wrong

[stateofgrace]

what do you mean its wrong

It's not correct.

[GodisEnergy]

just a few of the 600+ ''coincedences'' and you think im crazy loon who doenst beleive 19 arabs with box cutters defeat a multibillon dollar air defense system

Well i guess you guys now know what it feels like for those lawyers who defend rapists and murderers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

senators meeting with atta
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36091-2002May17&notFound=true

This guy was a whisteblower who wanted to investigate bin laden before 911 look what happened to him lol
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/victim.wtc.security/


http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/chi-0109190296sep19,0,3496437.story

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
23trillion dollars swept under the carpet by flying a plane into the pentagons accounts department

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/28/eveningnews/main325887.shtml

Bush planned war day before 911 :jaw-dropp
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/11/attack/main518289.shtml

[GodisEnergy]

what exactly is incorrect?

[Jonnyclueless]

<---hits the snooze button again.

[Papermache]

what do you mean its wrongDo you see that word "source" after Gumboot's note? It was a link - had you clicked on it, you would have seen the actual speech, beginning with "Mr. President, Mr. Speaker, members of the Congress, distinguished guests, fellow Americans, thank very much for that warm welcome. We gather tonight, witness to events in the Persian Gulf as significant as they are tragic." Your claim was that the attack happened 11 years later "to the minute". How could this be true when the attack was in the morning, and the speech was given at night?

[Jonnyclueless]

is there a term for people who don't actually make arguments but rather paste links. Or even worse, the ones that just paste entire web pages?

[Alareth]

You are new to all this aren't you?

[Pato2747]

Okay. 9-11 coincidences.

So? If you say that those are coincidences, then that's what they are.

If you DO find anything that you want to discuss, post it.

Again, post something that you find interesting and it HASN'T been already answered by us.

[GodisEnergy]

i have a photo i took of bush wearing a hat with 77 and devils horns, he loves this number as its ALEISTER CROWELEY black magick number
http://www.nn.northropgrumman.com/bush/
who in america would be evil enough to kill 3000 people.well someone that kills 10,000 from lack of funding? and million in Iraq.?????
http://www.qgazette.com/news/2008/0206/features/012.html

http://www.amazon.com/Other-Qabalistic-Writings-Aleister-Crowley/dp/0877286701
also the date of the london bomb 7/7/2+5
this guy also did the toth tarot cards which have a tower being destroyed.hes said in his book behold ye twin warriors of the world two eagles will come to destroy it.

[stateofgrace]

what exactly is incorrect?

Are you asking me to explain words to you?

It is wrong, it is incorrect, it is not right, it is complete rubbish.

[Metullus]

This is why God created Vicodin.

[Pato2747]

Is there anything in particular you want to discuss?

Because, you know, making a new thread and shoving some links in without a lot of backup is not really recomendable. For example, this "whisteblower". What about him? He died on 9-11. What do you want to prove with this?

[GodisEnergy]

Oh so youve explained aways all those coincidences have you in previous posts.Bet you havent even heard of half of them

[GodisEnergy]

Well seems strange he was redirected to the twin towers because he lost his job as the pentagon for investigating bin laden and then died the day later. WOW

[stateofgrace]

Oh so youve explained aways all those coincidences have you in previous posts.Bet you havent even heard of half of them

Really?

So any chance you can do some work and summarise them all into one complete narrative?

[Pato2747]

Oh so youve explained aways all those coincidences have you in previous posts.Bet you havent even heard of half of them

In fact, I don't see any coincidence here, GiE. I'm just seeing a few things that happened after 9-11.

For example, this:


• January 5, 2002 - A stolen Cessna, allegedly flown by 15 yr. old Charles J. Bishop, crashes into a Tampa Bay office building which houses the local office of Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) after flying over MacDill Air Force Base (home of the U.S. Central Command which directs the U.S. forces operating in Afghanistan and US Special Operations Command which does psychological operations) and a suicide note was allegedly found in the plane expressing Bishop's sympathy for Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks.


Okay, so this kid flies a plane, and crashes it, leaving a suicide note saying that 9-11 was a good thing, and sympathising with Osama Bin Laden.

How does this proves that 9-11 was an inside job?

[GodisEnergy]

No its not complete rubbish it happened 11 years before.Trust wikipedia mossad cia website.. for giving an accurate time. last time i checked on the white house .gov it said 9am but it seems like they have taken off the website...

[NobbyNobbs]

Well seems strange he was redirected to the twin towers because he lost his job as the pentagon for investigating bin laden and then died the day later. WOW

Well, if "they" wanted to off him, wouldn't it have been less suspicious if they kept him at the Pentagon, since a plane was headed there as well?

[Unsecured Coins]

<---hits the snooze button again.

... and again

[GodisEnergy]

No i think theres less chance he would be killed that way.

[applecorped]

Well seems strange he was redirected to the twin towers because he lost his job as the pentagon for investigating bin laden and then died the day later. WOW

Don't you mean, WOO!

[Pato2747]

Well seems strange he was redirected to the twin towers because he lost his job as the pentagon for investigating bin laden and then died the day later. WOW

OH WOW, THAT IS COMPLETE EVIDENCE THAT 9-11 AND THE DEATH OF THIS GUY WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!1!11!!onehundredandone!!1

Also, I don't see he "lost his job" and he was "redirected" to WTC. Your source says that he retired from the FBI after having some controversy with the Yemen attacks. Nothing about being forced to work at the World Trade Center.

[GodisEnergy]

Well not all of them are this website is not as good as another one i have found but its been blocked off the other one has 500

[applecorped]

No its not complete rubbish it happened 11 years before.Trust wikipedia mossad cia website.. for giving an accurate time. last time i checked on the white house .gov it said 9am but it seems like they have taken off the website...

Ta-Da! It's a jewish conspiracy!

[GodisEnergy]

Oh yea now that i read that again it looks like a Remote controlled cesna Pysop thats why it hit the psycholical operations command

[Pato2747]

No i think theres less chance he would be killed that way.

How's that? They could have easily placed him on the spot that the plane was supposed to hit, because, according to you, it was all planned. If they were able to "force him" to go to WTC, I think they could be very well able to say "Oh, please, stand in this exact spot for 3 minutes, I'm gonna run at the other direction. Thank you!"

[GodisEnergy]

Whats the difference between them saying stay in this accounting part of the pentagon where you dont belong between 9.50-10am

[Pato2747]

Oh yea now that i read that again it looks like a Remote controlled cesna Pysop thats why it hit the psycholical operations command

Remote controlled Cessna?

1) Where does it say that?

2) Again, how does this proves that 9-11 was an inside job?

[GodisEnergy]

does that make it not true because your brainwashed into thinking jews cant do any evil?

[Alareth]

Sometimes, I just want to bury my head in my hands and cry.

[stateofgrace]

No its not complete rubbish it happened 11 years before.Trust wikipedia mossad cia website.. for giving an accurate time. last time i checked on the white house .gov it said 9am but it seems like they have taken off the website...

It is complete rubbsih unless you explain why it is not complete rubbish, sport.

On you go,explain in detail what relevence you expect me to take from your non event "fact".

[Pato2747]

dont forget that exactly 11 years before 911 to the minute. bush said this
the video made a mistake i checked it out on Whitehouse.gov and found the transcript
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Also dont forget the wtc was 110 stories tall
and pentagon was built on sep 11 1940.Pentagon is a Occult symbol for freemasonry and kabbalistic ritual sacrifices because its the inside of a satanic pentagram :eek:

Way to bump a 2 year old topic, GodisEnergy.

Also, we don't make sacrifices. Stop saying we do.

[beachnut]

does that make it not true because your brainwashed into thinking jews cant do any evil?
Another neoNAZI arrives. Now that explains why the stuff you posted was so poorly reasearched and wrong.

[Pato2747]

Sometimes, I just want to bury my head in my hands and cry.

We all do, Alareth.

We all do.

[Jonnyclueless]

This is why God created Vicodin.

Hell, this is why God kills people.

[Jonnyclueless]

Alright everybody. You see why I keep insisting you donate more to the Jerry's kid's foundation? Consider it a lesson learned. What goes around comes around.

[A W Smith]

just a few of the 600+ ''coincedences'' and you think im crazy loon who doenst beleive 19 arabs with box cutters defeat a multibillon dollar air defense system



We don't think . Now. We know.

[twinstead]

Yea. Sorry GodisEnergy. You have to prove it. I wish it weren't like that, but what ya gunna do, huh?

[beachnut]

dont forget that exactly 11 years before 911 to the minute. bush said this
the video made a mistake i checked it out on Whitehouse.gov and found the transcript
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo

Also dont forget the wtc was 110 stories tall
and pentagon was built on sep 11 1940.Pentagon is a Occult symbol for freemasonry and kabbalistic ritual sacrifices because its the inside of a satanic pentagram :eek:
Too bad we do not use binary, But alas, we have 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. No wonder numbers repeat patterns that mystify those who lack knowledge.
But gee a computer geek has 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,A,B,C,D,E,F wowzer it was really 9/B/07D1. Numbers, too bad they are just symbols.

The WTC were 6E, sorry, there goes your 11 BS!

Mason, I have my dad's ring somewhere.

Numbers are symbols for some fools to make up real dumb ideas. Who would do that?

[defaultdotxbe]

Whats the difference between them saying stay in this accounting part of the pentagon where you dont belong between 9.50-10am
well if it was all planned they could have hit anywhere on the pentagon right?

as for the WTC, 16,000 people made it out of the towers alive (over 90% of those below the impact floors) how could they be sure oneill wouldnt be one of the survivors?

heck, depending which flavor of truth you subscribe to they could have just gone to his house, shot him, and tossed his body in with the pentagon debris, and the same people who faked the f77 passenger remains would just say he died in the impact

[defaultdotxbe]

Pentagon is a Occult symbol for freemasonry and kabbalistic ritual sacrifices because its the inside of a satanic pentagram :eek:
The pentagram was used as a Christian symbol for the five senses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense),[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#cite_note-9) and if the letters S, A, L, V, and S are inscribed in the points, it can be taken as a symbol of health (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health) (from Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) salus).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Medieval Christians believed it to symbolise the five wounds of Christ. The pentagram was believed to protect against witches and demons.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#cite_note-altreligion_pentagram-10)
The pentagram figured in a heavily symbolic Arthurian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Arthur) romance:[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#cite_note-altreligion_pentagram-10) it appears on the shield of Sir Gawain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Gawain) in the 14th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_century) poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Gawain_and_the_Green_Knight). As the poet explains, the five points of the star each have five meanings: they represent the five senses, the five fingers, the five wounds of Christ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ),[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram#cite_note-11) the five joys that Mary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary%2C_the_mother_of_Jesus) had of Jesus (the Annunciation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annunciation), the Nativity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus), the Resurrection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus), the Ascension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_of_Jesus_Christ), and the Assumption (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary)), and the five virtues of knighthood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knighthood) which Gawain hopes to embody: noble generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, and compassion.
Probably due to misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_magic), it later became associated with Satanism and subsequently rejected by
most of Christianity sometime in the twentieth century.

try again

[twinstead]

Irrelevant numerological minutia ROCK!

[pomeroo]

We don't think . Now. We know.


Happy Birthday, AW!

[Hokulele]

senators meeting with atta
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36091-2002May17&notFound=true



Where does this article claim this?

[twinstead]

Okay. nothing on this thread ROCKS. So sue me.

[njslim]

Sometimes, I just want to bury my head in my hands and cry.

I'd prefer a Louisville slugger upside of their moranic head - might (probably not) knock
some of the idiocy out of them....

[Brainster]

On the topic of coincidences, I was a Big Brother back in the 1980s to a youngster who had a younger sibling that also had a Big Brother named Mick. One year I was going back to New Jersey for the holidays and I'm walking down the aisle of the plane when I see somebody I recognize, although it took me a second to place Mick because I was not expecting to see him there.

So after a few mutual exclamations of "What a coincidence you'd be on the same plane," he asked me where I was sitting. I looked down at my ticket and said, "I'm sitting next to you."

[A W Smith]

Happy Birthday, AW!


Thanks Ron!

[bynmdsue]

Where does this article claim this?

Nowhere.Damn GiE, you gotta read this crap before you link it.

[Horatius]

Where does this article claim this?



The same place the one about John O’Neill says he was forced out because he wanted to investigate bin Laden. That is, nowhere.

[Walter Ego]

<---hits the snooze button again.

Wake me up if this guy ever says anything worth reading.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_2284548002d8690b73.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=11699)

[Alareth]

Nowhere.Damn GiE, you gotta read this crap before you link it.

That would be an original and non-traditional thing for a truther to do. Why change the status quo?

[Jonnyclueless]

The less one understands the world around them, the more coincidences there are.

[GodisEnergy]

you people are crazy ..like whats so crazy about thinking the government did it,
What event in US history was not a false flagg operation except for pearl harbour which was known in advance.

[GodisEnergy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL4Koc6TfSE

[GodisEnergy]

No i said it could be, a Pysop , or Phychological terror operation and also a chance to destroy information at the building.

[Alareth]

Repeatedly starting threads with nothing but links is a form of spamming. If you feel it's so important we need to see something somewhere else please give us at least a sentence or two explaning why you think the link is important.

[GodisEnergy]

Another neoNAZI arrives. Now that explains why the stuff you posted was so poorly reasearched and wrong.

yea thats why noone of my questions have been answered all ive heard from this site is how im so stupid and loony.No im Sane i have an iq of 200

[Blender Head]

GiE has officially jumped the shark.

[SpitfireIX]

you people are crazy ..like whats so crazy about thinking the government did it,


Because there's no evidence the government did it, and lots of evidence the government didn't do it.

What event in US history was not a false flagg operation except for pearl harbour which was known in advance.


The United States did not have foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack. The government knew the Japanese were going to war, but not with whom or where they would attack.

[milesalpha]

I would move quickly to retract that one GiE or they will add liar to the list. You can google IQ scale for the whys.

[A W Smith]

you people are crazy ..like whats so crazy about thinking the government did it,
What event in US history was not a false flagg operation except for pearl harbour which was known in advance.

because as you have eloquently illustrated all flags that are false have two "g"s and the true flags have only one "g"

[Jonnyclueless]

yea thats why noone of my questions have been answered all ive heard from this site is how im so stupid and loony.No im Sane i have an iq of 200

They gave you an IQ of 200? Somebody must like you. ;-)

[Pardalis]

just a few of the 600+ ''coincedences''

"In reality, the most astonishingly incredible coincidence imaginable would be the complete absence of all coincidences.

John Allen Paulos
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Paulos)
An interesting read about conspiracy theorists and coincidences:

http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=785

[yodaluver28]

Well seems strange he was redirected to the twin towers because he lost his job as the pentagon for investigating bin laden and then died the day later. WOW

Frankly, why should anyone believe anything you when you can't even get the most basic facts about John O'Neill correct?

John O'Neill never worked at the Pentagon, he was an FBI agent specializing in Islamic extremist terrorism and stationed in the FBI's NYC office, which housed the HQ of the FBI'S anti-terrorism operation. O'Neill retired from the FBI following a) a reprimand for his careless handling of some classified documents and b) the US ambassador to Yemen refusing to allow him back into the country while he was there investigating the USS Cole bombing because she thought he was antagonizing Yemeni authorities, which he probably was but he was also doing whatever had to be done to find the perpetrators of the attack.

He was offered the job at the WTC and accepted it because, as one of the foremost experts on Bin Laden & Al Qaeda, he was convinced, and this is a direct quote, that:

"They've always wanted to finish that job. I think they're going to try again."

[Pato2747]

yea thats why noone of my questions have been answered all ive heard from this site is how im so stupid and loony.No im Sane i have an iq of 200

If your have an IQ of 200, you would be in the Guiness right now.

I'm gonna tell you again: Explain us why do you think that 9-11 was an inside job. If you fail to give us your personal explanation I will still treat you as a loon and most likely your word won't be taken seriously again on the forums.

[LashL]

Note going forward: Seriously, do NOT feed the obvious troll.

Doing so would just be frigging stupid, as it is an obvious troll, and its goals are only to try to gain some kind of credence among its fellow tinhatters by garnering the attention (even negative attention) of intelligent, rational, and coherent people (such as those at JREF). It has absolutely NO interest in actual truth or reality.

Seriously.

So, please, let the tinhatter and sockpuppet go snivelling back to being ignored by its peers (in which case it might actually realize how pathetic the "truth" movement really is), rather than lending it any credibility by paying attention to it here among the adults, rational and critical thinkers. We, collectively, do not do ourselves any favours when we spend hours or days responding to obvious trolls, such as this one.

It is only here to try to gain some kind of credibility among idiots and morons in the "truth" movement, because neither it or the "truth" movement have any credibility among rational people.

So, it is far better to resist the temptation of the oh so easy smackdown (and yes, it's way too easy) and instead, refuse to play its game.

Just a suggestion.

[Pato2747]

Wasn't this guy on a mental institution for having heavy psychiatric trauma?

[Pato2747]

Why a "Remoted Controlled Cessna" to destroy information on the building? It would be easier and cheaper to send some CIA agents to the building and give them the order to get the papers and eat them, or burn them, or whatever, instead of flying a PLANE to a building.

[T.A.M.]

you people are crazy ..like whats so crazy about thinking the government did it,
What event in US history was not a false flagg operation except for pearl harbour which was known in advance.

Is this not "Stundie of the Year" material.

You are priceless GIE

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

GIE:

The world really isn't a Tom Clancy Novel. It really ISN'T an episode of "24".

You talk, and post, as if the world is all one giant action adventure movie, and you are the young star, just discovering the "weal twoof".

TAM;)

[T.A.M.]

Repeatedly starting threads with nothing but links is a form of spamming. If you feel it's so important we need to see something somewhere else please give us at least a sentence or two explaning why you think the link is important.

Impossible, as this would require piecing together more than one coherent thought...ain't gonna happen.

Next!!

TAM;)

[T.A.M.]

so if I predicted, upon seeing this thread resurfacing, that GiE had revived it, do I win Randi's 1 Million Dollars?

I am shocked...an extra tasty troll for lunch I see.

TAM:)

[yodaluver28]

The building in Tampa suffered minimal damage only hit a very small space. That's a pretty dumb, not to mention ineffective, way to "get rid of information".

[T.A.M.]

yea thats why noone of my questions have been answered all ive heard from this site is how im so stupid and loony.No im Sane i have an iq of 200

There are not enough laughing dogs to express my amusement.

TAM:)

[Jonnyclueless]

No i said it could be, a Pysop , or Phychological terror operation and also a chance to destroy information at the building.


Or it could be a unicorn. We can't rule anything out. If we can't rule out some diabolical people who haven't figured out how to destroy some computers and use a paper shredder, then we must also think about unicorns. Of course they are perfectly capable of covering up the biggest conspiracy in the history of mankind, but only because they aren't capable of hiding things in their office.

[T.A.M.]

Or it could be a unicorn. We can't rule anything out. If we can't rule out some diabolical people who haven't figured out how to destroy some computers and use a paper shredder, then we must also think about unicorns. Of course they are perfectly capable of covering up the biggest conspiracy in the history of mankind, but only because they aren't capable of hiding things in their office.

Wait, but there is no evidence that unicorns exist... .... ...oh yeah, now I get it...

TAM;)

[Pato2747]

Seriously, this guy is starting to tick me off. He basically says that I'm going to kill 90% of the world population.

And I don't think that someone with an IQ of 200 would have so much shamelessness to ask this:


what exactly is incorrect?


After the fact that it was shown clearly that his "fact" of Bush saying "New World order" was exactly 11 years before the 9-11 attacks "to the minute".

I don't know whether to laugh or rage.

[BillyRayValentine]

Also, I don't see he "lost his job" and he was "redirected" to WTC. Your source says that he retired from the FBI after having some controversy with the Yemen attacks. Nothing about being forced to work at the World Trade Center.

He left for two reasons. 1. He was sick of the political BS (Yemen issue, ex.) and 2. His pay probably jumped 5 to 10x.

A friend of mine wrestles with the same issues constantly. He's a long-time agent - a total badass, quite frankly - who has led several high profile AQ busts here and abroad. He's been at it so long he feels a responsibility to keep gettin after bad guys, but he's apporoached by major corporations all the time with offers to head up their security - with a 1,000% raise.

Anyway, I know first-hand that O'Neill left to work at the WTC by choice. The claims by GodIsEnergy are beyond moronic. I think we have another angry youth on our hands.

What the ef is wrong with parents today...

[Pardalis]

I posted this on the other thread, might a well post it here since one of the threads will probably go to AAH.

interesting look into Cters and coincidences: http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=785

[Pato2747]

Wait, but there is no evidence that unicorns exist... .... ...oh yeah, now I get it...

TAM;)

Zing!

[Jonnyclueless]

The unicorn's existence could be hidden by that pysop.

Plus I think we need a thread just to discuss how on earth this thread isn't already in AAH.

[Alareth]

My unicorn can beat up your unicorn.

[abenja1]

just a few of the 600+ ''coincedences'' and you think im crazy loon who doenst beleive 19 arabs with box cutters defeat a multibillon dollar air defense system

Well i guess you guys now know what it feels like for those lawyers who defend rapists and murderers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

senators meeting with atta
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36091-2002May17&notFound=true

This guy was a whisteblower who wanted to investigate bin laden before 911 look what happened to him lol
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/victim.wtc.security/


http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/chi-0109190296sep19,0,3496437.story

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
23trillion dollars swept under the carpet by flying a plane into the pentagons accounts department

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/28/eveningnews/main325887.shtml

Bush planned war day before 911 :jaw-dropp
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/11/attack/main518289.shtml

So who's behind? The Neo-con's, Mossad, Jews, Mainstream Media? Evidence as well?

[Pato2747]

The unicorn's existence could be hidden by that pysop.

Plus I think we need a thread just to discuss how on earth this thread isn't already in AAH.

I think this is not in AAH because, admit it, it's funny as hell.

[Jonnyclueless]

Are we calling Woo coincidences now?

[Pato2747]

On my personal opinion, a mod should embed the X-Files theme on this thread.

[Good Lt]

Did this guy just watch Loose Change v. 1.FAIL yesterday or something?

[T.A.M.]

sorry, but every time I read the title of this thread, and who started it, all that comes to mind is this:

wake up (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5295783370109329036)

TAM;)

[PhantomWolf]

You know once again I find myself tapping my watch to check if that 8 is supposed to be a 3....

[T.A.M.]

laugh...the rage is never worth it.

TAM:D

[Good Lt]

GiE has officially jumped the shark.

I'm sure he jumped the shark long before he started posting his 9-11 TROOF LOL garbage here.

[Jonnyclueless]

Will the parents of GodisEnergy please come pick up your child.

[SezMe]

For me, this (http://piv.pivpiv.dk/) comes to mind.

[mrbaracuda]

look what happened to him lol
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/victim.wtc.security/

You think that's funny?
This is partly why I really despise people like you.

[mrbaracuda]

sorry, but every time I read the title of this thread, and who started it, all that comes to mind is this:

wake up (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5295783370109329036)

TAM;)

Hilary Duff was an inside job? Is that what you're claiming? Damn HappyCons!

MrB:D

[mrbaracuda]

Originally Posted by GodisEnergy
you people are crazy ..like whats so crazy about thinking the government did it,
What event in US history was not a false flagg operation except for pearl harbour which was known in advance.

Is this not "Stundie of the Year" material.

You are priceless GIE

TAM:)

He didn't just. No. :eek: Man. :rolleyes::D

[gumboot]

just a few of the 600+ ''coincedences'' and you think im crazy loon who doenst beleive 19 arabs with box cutters defeat a multibillon dollar air defense system


This is often thrown around, but I've never seen any evidence to support it.

The F-16 is about $15 million a piece (F-16A) and the F-15 is about $30 million each (F-15C) and I'd be willing to bet they're the most expensive assets in the air defense system - 14 all told for CONUS but I don't know how many of each fighter. If we assume they're all F-15s (which they weren't) that's still only $420 million. The installation of all ARSR-4 long range radar sites cost $800 million, half of which was paid by DoD so that's another $400 million, Add in NORAD CONR's annual operating budget...?

I wouldn't be surprised if it came out at less than $2 billion all up.

[gtc]

Irrelevant numerological minutia ROCK!

You have 3544 posts and this was post 57 in the thread.

3544 = 3 54 4 => 54+3 = 57, leaving 4, the number of years George Bush Snr was president!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111 11111111111111111!

[gumboot]

He left for two reasons. 1. He was sick of the political BS (Yemen issue, ex.) and 2. His pay probably jumped 5 to 10x.

A friend of mine wrestles with the same issues constantly. He's a long-time agent - a total badass, quite frankly - who has led several high profile AQ busts here and abroad. He's been at it so long he feels a responsibility to keep gettin after bad guys, but he's apporoached by major corporations all the time with offers to head up their security - with a 1,000% raise.

Anyway, I know first-hand that O'Neill left to work at the WTC by choice. The claims by GodIsEnergy are beyond moronic. I think we have another angry youth on our hands.

What the ef is wrong with parents today...



Let's not forget that O'Neill was offered the position of Chief Counter Terrorism Advisor on the National Security Council (Richard Clarke was retiring) but chose the WTC job instead primarily because he had always lived outside his means at the FBI and desperately needed a well paying job to clear a lot of debts.

[thehipi]

This idea reminds me of a movie I saw using this same theme (coincidence, or conspiracy? :duck:), the number 23..while searching imdb to find it's name I found this blurb about the movie:

Factual errors: In real numerology, numbers are added together to form a single digit number that might have significance. The sum should never exceed 9. This is in accordance to the nine personality types, the nine planets in the solar system, and many other things. For example, Walter's room at the asylum was 318. When calculated in the movie it is suppose to equal 23, 31-8=23. However in real numerology the number would be added as 3+1+8, equaling 12. The sum would then be added again to create a single digit, 1+2 = 3

The NWO's numerology consultant has made a terrible mistake..

[antennafarm]

No i said it could be, a Pysop , or Phychological terror operation and also a chance to destroy information at the building.

Don't they own a paper shredder?

[gtc]

I love the way there is real numerology. As if deducting 8 from 31 to get 23 was more stupid than saying 3+1+8=12, 1+2=3. However, I can see why someone would find it simple to have no more than 9 personality types to invent plausible lies about.

[MikeyMetz]

What's really funny is that GiE probably got really excited when he decided to join JREF, thinking that he was going to win everyone over with the amazing evidence contained in his YouTube videos. If only he checked out the forum a little before he started opening his mouth, he would've realized that YouTube videos are the butt of most jokes about troofers.

[ElMondoHummus]

you people are crazy ..like whats so crazy about thinking the government did it,
What event in US history was not a false flagg operation except for pearl harbour which was known in advance.

Is this not "Stundie of the Year" material.

You are priceless GIE

TAM:)

I don't know about "... of the Year", but he certainly qualifies for the garden variety noms. I mean, I'm still trying to figure out how someone determines that false "flagg" (sic) applies to:

The Declaration of Independence
The Revolutionary War
The drafting and ratification of the Constitution
The Lewis and Clark expedition
The Alamo
The Louisiana Purchase... etc. And note how I'm not even into the 20th Century yet. Hell, I'm not even to the Revolutionary War yet.

Broad claims and bombast are usually "weaseling-out" type tactics to allow a person to assert opinions without providing support or substance (i.e. to "weasel" out of providing evidence). It's funny how such admonitions are laid almost as ambush bait ("I discovered that the government is grabbing power and has deceived the world. Ask me how!"), waiting for someone to say "prove it", then pop off tons of marginally (if at all) related claims that don't add up to support at all. The pattern repeats over and over again, and is nearly depressing in its lack of spontaneity or original presentation.

At least GIE is merely pushing the broad claims; we've seen enough examples of bombast from other fantasists here.

[ElMondoHummus]

ted gunderson owns u

And with 25 more purchases, he can have every letter of the alphabet!

[Hokulele]

Happy Birthday, AW!


Ditto!

(Might as well get some use out of this thread.)

[alfaniner]

just[sic] a few of the 600+ ''coincedences''[sic] and you think im[sic] [a] crazy loon who doenst[sic] beleive[sic]

I only got this far in the opening post and I knew all I needed to know about this thread.

[jhunter1163]

In the Twoofer world, there are no paper shredders. The ONLY way to get rid of incriminating evidence is to destroy the building in which it is housed. Why do you think they brought down WTC7?

[chillzero]

All threads on 911 coincidences merged. Play nice guys.

[tsig]

you people are crazy ..like whats so crazy about thinking the government did it,
What event in US history was not a false flagg operation except for pearl harbour which was known in advance.

The Civil War?

[Panoply_Prefect]

Oh dear, what appears to be yet another swede... *Sigh*


What event in US history was not a false flagg operation except for pearl harbour which was known in advance


Ummm... Woodstock? Boston Teaparty? Battle of Little Bighorn? (no, wait, that must have been false flag, cause I know fur shure that Dustin Hoffman was involved). The war in Korea? The battle of the Monitor and the Merrimac? D-Day?

[Unsecured Coins]

No im Sane i have an iq of 200

not with grammar like that you don't

statement removed because I could only find one souce to back up the IQ score claim

[defaultdotxbe]

Oh dear, what appears to be yet another swede... *Sigh*



Ummm... Woodstock? Boston Teaparty? Battle of Little Bighorn? (no, wait, that must have been false flag, cause I know fur shure that Dustin Hoffman was involved). The war in Korea? The battle of the Monitor and the Merrimac? D-Day?
one could argue the boston teaparty WAS in fact a false flag event, as the sons of liberty "disguised" themselves as narragansett indians

[jhunter1163]

GiE left out the decimal point in his IQ score.

[Panoply_Prefect]

one could argue the boston teaparty WAS in fact a false flag event, as the sons of liberty "disguised" themselves as narragansett indians

OMG! There you go Inside Job!!!!!!!111111oneoneone!

[defaultdotxbe]

OMG! There you go Inside Job!!!!!!!111111oneoneone!
nah, it gets off on a technicality, it happened before the US existed :D

[CptColumbo]

is there a term for people who don't actually make arguments but rather paste links. Or even worse, the ones that just paste entire web pages?
Forum rule prevent me from posting it. It rhymes with "chucking petard."

[CptColumbo]

Don't they own a paper shredder?Or an incinerator.

Plus a big magnet.

[Jonnyclueless]

9 comes before 11. Coincidence?

[Finnegan]

"9 comes before 11. Coincidence?"

The CIA created numerology. Didn't you know?

[CptColumbo]

In '77 "M*A*S*H" was nominated for 11 Emmys.

[gc051360]

yea thats why noone of my questions have been answered all ive heard from this site is how im so stupid and loony.No im Sane i have an iq of 200

http://wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html#HighIQ

Wow. You are in the "highest genius" category. You were only a bit shy of "unmeasurable genius" though.

Did you take the test twice, and then just add the scores together?

[Sabrina]

Gah, not another idiot who claims we destroy buildings to destroy paperwork... :hb::hb::hb:

GiE, I'm only going to say this once.... Google DoD Directive 5200.1-R and carefully review Chapter 6, section 7. Here, I'll even give you a link:

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/5200-1r/chapter_6.htm

After you READ and COMPREHEND this section, if you still say we destroy or attack buildings in order to destroy information housed in those buildings, I'll want you to give me your address so I can call the nice men in white coats to come and get you, because you'll be utterly without hope at that point.

[Drudgewire]

After you READ and COMPREHEND this section
Well, aren't you the optimist? ;)

[Sabrina]

Well, aren't you the optimist? ;)

:p

Don't take away my hope; it's all I have left for these poor [rule10]s. My patience and willingness to give the benefit of the doubt went out the window after the first time I viewed the PentagonStrike vid.

[defaultdotxbe]

In '77 "M*A*S*H" was nominated for 11 Emmys.
M*A*S*H also ran for 11 seasons while depicting hostilities that only lasted 3 years (im sure 3 has some significance)

[PhantomWolf]

Gah, not another idiot who claims we destroy buildings to destroy paperwork... :hb::hb::hb:

GiE, I'm only going to say this once.... Google DoD Directive 5200.1-R and carefully review Chapter 6, section 7. Here, I'll even give you a link:

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/5200-1r/chapter_6.htm

After you READ and COMPREHEND this section, if you still say we destroy or attack buildings in order to destroy information housed in those buildings, I'll want you to give me your address so I can call the nice men in white coats to come and get you, because you'll be utterly without hope at that point.

This is disinformation. Would the DoD REALLY put top secret document disposal methods on the intranet, I don't think so. No the real way to destroy sensitive materials is to blow up the build, ie WTC 7, The Pentagon....