CTists-- Please list your personal accomplishments

[MikeyMetz]

This one goes out to the truthers who frequent this forum. Since you guys devote so much of your precious time toward an internet feud with us no-good debunkers, it's obvious that you are top-tier truthers. Please enlighten us as to what your personal efforts have gained for the troof.

Here's my example (to discourage you from derailing this thread):

Mikey Metz has:

-Co-founded the now defunct 9/11 Truth UAlbany group.
-Formally established the group on UAlbany campus, having gained official recognition from the student government.
-Received funding from the university to cover some costs of the group.

What have you guys (LastChild, Deep44, DictatorCheney, etc.) done for the troof, besides post on internet message boards?

[Blender Head]

It's like doing stand-up at a cricket convention...

[SkepticGuy]

From whom are you looking for this info... conspiracy theorists or truthers?

There is a difference.

[LastChild]

This one goes out to the truthers who frequent this forum. Since you guys devote so much of your precious time toward an internet feud with us no-good debunkers, it's obvious that you are top-tier truthers. Please enlighten us as to what your personal efforts have gained for the troof.

Here's my example (to discourage you from derailing this thread):

Mikey Metz has:

-Co-founded the now defunct 9/11 Truth UAlbany group.
-Formally established the group on UAlbany campus, having gained official recognition from the student government.
-Received funding from the university to cover some costs of the group.

What have you guys (LastChild, Deep44, DictatorCheney, etc.) done for the troof, besides post on internet message boards?

I never started any kind of group that gained the recognition of a student government and received funding from a university only to later quit over some kind of trivial personal dispute and then turn my attention to attacking the very group I started and their beliefs out of what some might perceive as just a personal vendetta.

Did someone steal your girlfriend? What's up?

[e^n]

I never started any kind of group that gained the recognition of a student government and received funding from a university only to later quit over some kind of trivial personal dispute and then turn my attention to attacking the very group I started and their beliefs out of what some might perceive as just a personal vendetta.

Did someone steal your girlfriend? What's up?

LastChild, in your eyes can anyone turn away from your story legitimately? Is there any debunker you won't try and have a snide little dig at? One could speculate this is because of your personal insecurities but you act very very much like an intentional troll.

Care to explain just why you seem to full of hate?

[applecorped]

Don't hold your breath. LC is oblivious to reason.

[MikeyMetz]

I never started any kind of group that gained the recognition of a student government and received funding from a university only to later quit over some kind of trivial personal dispute and then turn my attention to attacking the very group I started and their beliefs out of what some might perceive as just a personal vendetta.

Did someone steal your girlfriend? What's up?

Does "some kind of trivial personal dispute" include no longer believing in the group's ideas?

And no, I never had a girlfriend while I was a troofer. I was too busy hanging out at other troofers' houses on Friday and Saturday nights watching troof documentaries.

[MikeyMetz]

From whom are you looking for this info... conspiracy theorists or truthers?

There is a difference.

Yeah, I realized my mistake after I posted the thread. I am inquiring of the truthers, specifically, but I'd be astonished to hear of what kinds of legitimate accomplishment UFO or flat earth believers have made, so no one should feel left out.

[A W Smith]

I never started any kind of group that gained the recognition of a student government and received funding from a university only to later quit over some kind of trivial personal dispute and then turn my attention to attacking the very group I started and their beliefs out of what some might perceive as just a personal vendetta.

Did someone steal your girlfriend? What's up?

Could you elaborate? or are you just throwing something against the wall to see if it sticks? like the troofing troll you are.

[jproudj]

What's wrong with cricket?!

[LastChild]

Could you elaborate? or are you just throwing something against the wall to see if it sticks? like the troofing troll you are.

What's to elaborate on? It just all seems so bitter like he was in it for all the wrong reasons to begin with. Like he thought it was going to make him famous or something. Dylan envy maybe? Its smells the same with this supposed about face. So insincere and for all the wrong reasons. Good riddance.

Do you have a girlfriend now Mickey? Was the truth really what was standing in your way? lol

[MikeyMetz]

Could you elaborate? or are you just throwing something against the wall to see if it sticks? like the troofing troll you are.

Haha, I would sure like an explanation of my personal drama, as well. Lord knows I can't even keep track of it, myself.

[Walter Ego]

Mikey, are you still up for debating (http://extruther.blogspot.com/) Justin Martel?

[A W Smith]

What's to elaborate on?

just as I thought, NothingIt just all seems yes its all just wild guesses for you. No evidence as usual. just accusations against anyone who doesn't hold your agenda driven world view. so bitter like he was in it for all the wrong reasons to begin with. which all troofers are to begin with. Like he thought it was going to make him famous or something. Dylan envy maybe? who's envying Dylan now?Its smells the same with this supposed about face. So insincere and for all the wrong reasons. Good riddance.so you're leaving us?

Do you have a girlfriend now Mickey? Was the truth really what was standing in your way? lol wonder why you ask him? are you envious?

[MikeyMetz]

What's to elaborate on? It just all seems so bitter like he was in it for all the wrong reasons to begin with. Like he thought it was going to make him famous or something. Dylan envy maybe? Its smells the same with this supposed about face. So insincere and for all the wrong reasons. Good riddance.

Do you have a girlfriend now Mickey? Was the truth really what was standing in your way? lol

What exactly seems bitter? Who told you about my personal motivations-- Justin Martell? Ha! If you really want to know, I was outraged when I believed my government would do such a thing. I wanted to take part in some way, and it was my fellow co-founder who convinced me to be the public face of our group, since I had the natural talent and ability.

Why is it a "supposed" about-face? Are my actions just like the "supposed" hijackers and the "supposed" planes? How do you know I'm being insincere? You know, it is a really bad feeling to realize you were duped into wasting your time and money for a year (You'll come to realize this eventually, even if it is on your deathbed). I think that sentiment's showcased in my profanity-laced early blogposts.

And, for all the wrong reasons? How, considering I've since graduated college, bought a car, and am happily in a relationship? It sure beats stressing over dumb conspiracy theories.

BTW, this isn't a thread about my personal life-- it's about truth movement achievements. You've already stated that you have accomplished nothing, so please give others a chance to respond.

[applecorped]

Well said.

[MikeyMetz]

Mikey, are you still up for debating (http://extruther.blogspot.com/) Justin Martel?

We've been exchanging emails. I actually pity the guy, so I politely told him that he has the ability to do such good things, but he wastes all his energy on conspiracy junk. He was apparently caught off-guard by my kindness, and instead of just giving me a date/time to call into his radio show, he gave me a decent response where he even admitted the CD theories are pretty stupid, if I remember correctly.

He still wants me to come on his show and have a discussion with him about the movement in general, but I haven't heard from him in a couple of weeks now.

I guess he's got nothing if I'm going to come on his show as a level-headed guy who has problems with the movement, rather than a no-good debunker, but time will tell I guess.

[Walter Ego]

We've been exchanging emails. I actually pity the guy, so I politely told him that he has the ability to do such good things, but he wastes all his energy on conspiracy junk. He was apparently caught off-guard by my kindness, and instead of just giving me a date/time to call into his radio show, he gave me a decent response where he even admitted the CD theories are pretty stupid, if I remember correctly.

He still wants me to come on his show and have a discussion with him about the movement in general, but I haven't heard from him in a couple of weeks now.



I think Justin's too busy hanging out with C-List Hollywood clebs:

http://jamartell.blogspot.com/2008/04/daniel-sunjata-to-students-join-student.html

Not quite Charlie Sheen but still Hollywood.

P.S Ignore LC, he/she/it is one of our resident troofer trolls.

[SkepticGuy]

kinds of legitimate accomplishment UFO
We've been able to obtain what is now widely accepted as a legitimate photo of the "UFO-Like" object seen at O'Hare airport. It's been confirmed by every eyewitness who saw the object (that are known to the Chicago Tribune who broke the story) as what they saw, and where they saw it. It's one of the rare photo of a day-time multiple witness event -- and is also part of a contemporary conspiracy of varying degrees.


or flat earth believers
Flat earth!? Good lord how'd that get in here?

[GregoryUrich]

Yeah, I realized my mistake after I posted the thread. I am inquiring of the truthers, specifically, but I'd be astonished to hear of what kinds of legitimate accomplishment UFO or flat earth believers have made, so no one should feel left out.

I have demonstrated that WTC1 weighed 318,000 tons and not 500,000 tons (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/GUrich/MassAndPeWtc.pdf) as was generally accepted. Truth is cool!

[DC]

i did not form nor join any group.
i did support a "group" financially, that group has no theory, its more a collection of alot information.
i also financially supported a group that has to do with 9/11, but not really CT or truth movement.

[A W Smith]

I have demonstrated that WTC1 weighed 318,000 tons and not 500,000 tons (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/GUrich/MassAndPeWtc.pdf) as was generally accepted. Truth is cool!


Didn't you also recently verify and confirm that for the towers, global collapse can ensue?
http://www.cool-places.0catch.com/docs/FalaciousCdArguments2_14.pdf

[Liszt]

This one goes out to the truthers who frequent this forum. Since you guys devote so much of your precious time toward an internet feud with us no-good debunkers, it's obvious that you are top-tier truthers. Please enlighten us as to what your personal efforts have gained for the troof.

Here's my example (to discourage you from derailing this thread):

Mikey Metz has:

-Co-founded the now defunct 9/11 Truth UAlbany group.
-Formally established the group on UAlbany campus, having gained official recognition from the student government.
-Received funding from the university to cover some costs of the group.

What have you guys (LastChild, Deep44, DictatorCheney, etc.) done for the troof, besides post on internet message boards?

That is not a particularly good set of achievements to boast about, unless you are in your early 20s (and judging by the use of the word "troof", that is probably the case)

[defaultdotxbe]

That is not a particularly good set of achievements to boast about, unless you are in your early 20s (and judging by the use of the word "troof", that is probably the case)
actually i judged he was in his early 20s by the fact that his activism was on a university campus

many older individuals use "twoof" on this forum as well

[Sporanox]

That is not a particularly good set of achievements to boast about, unless you are in your early 20s (and judging by the use of the word "troof", that is probably the case)

If you are a truther, what would your accomplishments be...?

[Liszt]

If you are a truther, what would your accomplishments be...?

well, I'm not a truther, but I have a book published about political and historical censorship (I worked in the media for 10 years), was a professional classical pianist, and professional guitarist (300 plus concerts, ranging from Franz Liszt to Jimi Hendrix) for many years, and now teach 4 different musical instruments. Also, launched a successful company (and an unsuccessful one), and have a long string of qualifications. And my mother thinks I'm cool.

[Mr.D]

but you act very very much like an intentional troll.

Last Child,

The act is old. Can't you go find some Creationists or Ghost Hunters somewhere else to play with?

[Dog Town]

Flat earth!? Good lord how'd that get in here?

Birds, of a feather, much? The other... well you know! Wrong section, but please share in the proper place. Not your money grubbing/ advert laden site!

[PhantomWolf]

We've been able to obtain what is now widely accepted as a legitimate photo of the "UFO-Like" object seen at O'Hare airport.

Not top derail here but how can something be "UFO-like"? UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Now eiother something is a UFO or it isn't, ie, it's either unidentified or it is identified, it can't be unidentified-like.

[SkepticGuy]

Not top derail here but how can something be "UFO-like"?
When you're used to the popularized usage of a given niche. Within certain circles, "UFO" has a connotation that transcends the original acronym. Not too dissimilar to people saying "HTML programming" when they know full-well HTML is not a programming language and they're referring to a broader concept.

[Sporanox]

well, I'm not a truther, but I have a book published about political and historical censorship (I worked in the media for 10 years), was a professional classical pianist, and professional guitarist (300 plus concerts, ranging from Franz Liszt to Jimi Hendrix) for many years, and now teach 4 different musical instruments. Also, launched a successful company (and an unsuccessful one), and have a long string of qualifications. And my mother thinks I'm cool.

Fantastic is, I guess, all I can say. :)

This was about how active truthers were in the movement, though...

[beachnut]

Not to derail here but how can something be "UFO-like"? UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Now eiother something is a UFO or it isn't, ie, it's either unidentified or it is identified, it can't be unidentified-like.
You hit the nail on the head. A UFO like photo, is like a chemtrail photo.

At least one O’Hare controller, union official Craig Burzych, was amused by it all.
“To fly 7 million light years to O’Hare and then have to turn around and go home because your gate was occupied is simply unacceptable,” he said.

Bigfoot like photo is out there too. But no bigfoot.


The lack of accomplishment for 9/11 truth is not unusual, 9/11 truth requires no real action since they left out rational thinking in the first place to make up the stupid ideas about 9/11. But those who do take action are most likely to figure it out, unless they are making money (gain fame, or recognition as a leader) and want to mislead others, or they are really are purely dumb, unable to learn and start thinking for themselves.

[MetalliSociety]

I never started any kind of group that gained the recognition of a student government and received funding from a university only to later quit over some kind of trivial personal dispute and then turn my attention to attacking the very group I started and their beliefs out of what some might perceive as just a personal vendetta.

Did someone steal your girlfriend? What's up?

I think realizing that the very thought process and actions of the group he started were wrong is a little more than "trivial".

But if it were the other way around and it was someone leaving the debunkers to the twoof side, you'd be rolling out the red carpet to greet him. Your ignorance is astounding.

[Hokulele]

We've been able to obtain what is now widely accepted as a legitimate photo of the "UFO-Like" object seen at O'Hare airport. It's been confirmed by every eyewitness who saw the object (that are known to the Chicago Tribune who broke the story) as what they saw, and where they saw it. It's one of the rare photo of a day-time multiple witness event -- and is also part of a contemporary conspiracy of varying degrees.


I wonder if it was this one (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2219748#post2219748)? And kudos to meg on that thread for yeoman work.

[SkepticGuy]

I wonder if it was this one (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2219748#post2219748)? And kudos to meg on that thread for yeoman work.

That's the news story about the object, this is the photo (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread236709/pg27#pid2898150) that is not obviously hoaxed and is corroborated by eyewitnesses.

[Dave Rogers]

I have demonstrated that WTC1 weighed 318,000 tons and not 500,000 tons (http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/GUrich/MassAndPeWtc.pdf) as was generally accepted.

Sadly, this is without a doubt the greatest achievement of the 9-11 truth movement. Kudos for intellectual honesty on this work, Gregory.

Dave

[meg]

We've been able to obtain what is now widely accepted as a legitimate photo of the "UFO-Like" object seen at O'Hare airport. It's been confirmed by every eyewitness who saw the object (that are known to the Chicago Tribune who broke the story) as what they saw, and where they saw it. It's one of the rare photo of a day-time multiple witness event -- and is also part of a contemporary conspiracy of varying degrees.


Hi SkepticGuy,

Could you please tell me more about this? I've been particularly interested in this event, and I would like to hear/read all the information you've got.

Over a dozen eye witnesses originally reported the event; you say every one of them has confirmed this photo as an accurate picture of what they saw? Where can I read these reports?

When you say this photo is "widely accepted as legitimate", to whom are you referring? Who accepts this photo as legitimate?

And what exactly is the conspiracy surrounding this event? Tell me more, please!

Thanks
Meg

[SkepticGuy]

Hi SkepticGuy,
Could you please tell me more about this? I've been particularly interested in this event, and I would like to hear/read all the information you've got.
The link in my post above will direct you to the photo, follow-up analysis, as well as details about Chicago Tribune reporter Jon Hilkevtich authenticating the photo with his eye witnesses. We also participated in the production of a segment of a Travel Channel special on "UFO destinations" that aired in November that included the photo and witness reactions.


And what exactly is the conspiracy surrounding this event? Tell me more, please!
There are several that emerge from the well-established mythos of "UFO coverup" but one that has real legs and brushes-up against ancillary 9/11 conspiracy speculation --
In this time of extraordinarily heightened security, when a suspicious bag can shut down an entire airport, multiple reports from ground crew and pilots of an unknown object hovering over one of the nation's busiest airports doesn't cause even the slightest response or concern. In fact, the immediate result is what appeared to be an FAA cover-up.

[meg]

Have you actually read that whole thread, SkepticGuy? All 108 pages?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread236709/pg27 is where the photo appears on 1/23/07

And by page 47 (1/25/07): http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread236709/pg47 it is pretty much declared a fake.

I can find nothing on the whole thread about "Hilkevtich authenticating the photo with his eye witnesses."

The "followup" analysis of this photo includes an excellent photo of a drop of water on a window, which looks remarkably similar to your photo, as well as a nifty animated gif image overlaying the photo with another pic of "congestion at O'Hare" (a series of lights from planes either taking off or landing) which shows the object in a similar position as the lights. The consensus on that thread is that the photo is a fake.


I believe there is a kind of a conspiracy going on, and if you look at all these links, I think you'll be able to put it together, too. The question I always asks myself is, "Que Bono?" Who benefits?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/equity_capitalization.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/two_new_advertising_programs.html
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2007/jan/m27-013.shtml
http://www.earthfiles.com/subscription.php?accesscheck=%2Fnews.php
http://www.nuforc.org/Video.html
http://www.renseradio.com/signup.htm

[beachnut]

Have you actually read that whole thread, SkepticGuy? All 108 pages?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread236709/pg27 is where the photo appears on 1/23/07

And by page 47 (1/25/07): http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread236709/pg47 it is pretty much declared a fake.

I believe there is a kind of a conspiracy going on, and if you look at all these links, I think you'll be able to put it together, too. The question I always asks myself is, "Que Bono?" Who benefits?

Have to keep up the woo for ads.

[deep]

This one goes out to the truthers who frequent this forum. Since you guys devote so much of your precious time toward an internet feud with us no-good debunkers, it's obvious that you are top-tier truthers. Please enlighten us as to what your personal efforts have gained for the troof.


First of all, on average, I probably spend about 30 minutes here every three or four days (0.89 posts per day, according to my profile). That's not a whole lot of "my precious time".

Second of all, I'm not a member of truth moment, so I'm not sure why you would assume I've "accomplished" anything for them.

I support an independent and unbiased investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. That's it.

[Brainache]

...
I support an independent and unbiased investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. That's it.

Why?

[1337m4n]

I support an independent and unbiased investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. That's it.

You mean ANOTHER one?

What happens when THAT one disagrees with you? Will you demand another? And another? And another?

Will you keep demanding new investigations until one of them says what you want?

[Tweeter]

Does "some kind of trivial personal dispute" include no longer believing in the group's ideas?

And no, I never had a girlfriend while I was a troofer. I was too busy hanging out at other troofers' houses on Friday and Saturday nights watching troof documentaries.

yeah thats the ticket!
I spend my weekends watching documentaries and listening to alex jones, while plotting to overthrow the illuminati.
The more i read here at jref,the more it becomes clear who the obsessive ones really are .

[Brainache]

yeah thats the ticket!
I spend my weekends watching documentaries and listening to alex jones, while plotting to overthrow the illuminati.
The more i read here at jref,the more it becomes clear who the obsessive ones really are .

So you think your government plotted to kill thousands of civilians in cold blood and then lied about it, but it's not all that important to you?

What would spur you into action Tweets? Anything?

[Tweeter]

Things i cant change arent very important to me. Ive never said what i believe, you guys told me what i believe after i said i didnt see a plane in the Pentacon video.
What would spur you into action Tweets? Anything?
When they come knocking on the door.

[Brainache]

Things i cant change arent very important to me. Ive never said what i believe, you guys told me what i believe after i said i didnt see a plane in the Pentacon video.
What would spur you into action Tweets? Anything?
When they come knocking on the door.

OK. Won't it be too late when they come knocking on your door? What makes you think they'd knock?

Seems to me that if you actually believed your government would do the things that the TM says they did, the thing to do would be to get the hell out of there. Why not move to some place where the evil fascist US Gov. can't take away all your freedoms, like China, or North Korea?

[deep]

You mean ANOTHER one?

What happens when THAT one disagrees with you? Will you demand another? And another? And another?

Will you keep demanding new investigations until one of them says what you want?


No, I don't mean "another" one, because that would imply that the first investigation was independent and unbiased, which it was not.

Regarding the outcome of the investigation, I have no preference one way or the other, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

[deep]

So you think your government plotted to kill thousands of civilians in cold blood and then lied about it, but it's not all that important to you?

What would spur you into action Tweets? Anything?


If the US Government was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks, then it was a false flag (as opposed to just some random decision to mass murder 3,000 people). Decisions like that are made for a reason; however, we have no way of knowing what that reason is, making it all but impossible to determine whether or not they were justified in doing so.

I can't envision a scenario where the US Government is full of murderers who kill people for the fun of it. Worst case, it was a poor decision. Best case, it was a decision that saved tens of thousands, or even millions, of lives.

[Brainache]

If the US Government was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks, then it was a false flag (as opposed to just some random decision to mass murder 3,000 people). Decisions like that are made for a reason; however, we have no way of knowing what that reason is, making it all but impossible to determine whether or not they were justified in doing so.

I can't envision a scenario where the US Government is full of murderers who kill people for the fun of it. Worst case, it was a poor decision. Best case, it was a decision that saved tens of thousands, or even millions, of lives.

A poor decision? A bit of an understatement there, but OK.

Could you explain what you mean when you say that by committing 9/11 as a false flag the Gov. was saving thousands or millions of lives? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Do you vote? Pay taxes? Read warning labels?

[Dave Rogers]

I can't envision a scenario where the US Government is full of murderers who kill people for the fun of it. Worst case, it was a poor decision. Best case, it was a decision that saved tens of thousands, or even millions, of lives.

But hey, is killing 3,000 of your own people all that bad? Anyone can make a little mistake.

This is an intriguing tactic. One of the favourite ad hominem fallacies used by truthers is that debunkers are all supporters of the Bush administration, and so can be ignored. I think this is a pre-emptive attempt to prevent a similar ad hominem fallacy being used in reverse; deep44 is trying to show that not all truthers actually oppose the Bush administration.

Dave