Flickering lights "before" Flight 93 crash explained?

[RKOwens4]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but a popular piece of supposed evidence that Flight 93 was shot down is a video of a resident saying that his lights flickered a few seconds BEFORE he heard Flight 93 crash, and according to the conspiracists, fighter jets send out some kind of EMP which causes lights to flicker just before they fire a missile. I have no idea if fighter pilots do this or not (it seems pointless that they would), but I think there's a simply explanation for why the resident's lights flickered "before" the crash. In this video:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/7288

of the impact crater, we can see power lines just a few feet from the hole (to the left of the screen). Whenever Flight 175 hit the South Tower it caused the lights in nearby buildings to flicker (like the Burger King seen in Evan Fairbanks' video with the plane straight overhead). It also apparently disrupted the power in the North Tower since it caused the TV signal from the antenna to flicker. Maybe the explosion/shock wave from the crash of Flight 93 disrupted the transformer seen at the top of the pole, which travelled through the lines for miles, like when a storm knocks down a pole miles away and your lights go out? This would not seem surprising to me. An important part of the story is that the lights flickered before the crash. But if the resident was only a mile from the crash site, it would have taken him about 5 seconds to hear the explosion. The electricity would have travelled much faster, reaching nearby buildings almost instantly.

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.......and according to the conspiracists, fighter jets send out some kind of EMP which causes lights to flicker just before they fire a missile. I have no idea if fighter pilots do this or not (it seems pointless that they would), but I think there's a simply explanation for why the resident's lights flickered "before" the crash. In this video:...........

Perfect explanation.

In answer to your above statement/question. Air-to-Air missiles are either Infrared (IR) guided or Radar guided. IR missiles track based upon a heat differential pattern i.e. engine exhaust heat. The Radar search and then guidance is a narrow beam conical type scan pattern that is very small in diameter. When it locks on, it is specific to the target, period. Cannons are visually aimed and emit, well.......bullets.

None of these would affect electricity = ZIP.

ETA: EMP is produced as a result of a nuclear detonation. Ignorance and imaginative fantasies are on display with these preposterous theories.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

ETA: EMP is produced as a result of a nuclear detonation. Ignorance and imaginative fantasies are on display with these preposterous theories.


There are non-nuclear electromagnetic pulses. There are possibly even electromagnetic bombs, but... a fighter emitting an EMP before firing a conventional missile? I'm no expert in that area, but to me that sounds stupid and completely pointless...

[MarkyX]

There are non-nuclear electromagnetic pulses. There are possibly even electromagnetic bombs, but... a fighter emitting an EMP before firing a conventional missile? I'm no expert in that area, but to me that sounds stupid and completely pointless...

Wouldn't that disable the jet itself?

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There are non-nuclear electromagnetic pulses. There are possibly even electromagnetic bombs, but... a fighter emitting an EMP before firing a conventional missile? I'm no expert in that area, but to me that sounds stupid and completely pointless...

Yep, my mistake for making a blanket statement and forgetting about this. How, where, why would that stuff be fitted on a fighter?

Wouldn't that disable the jet itself?

Not necessarily. All fighters/bombers designed since the '60's have EMP protection resistance designed into their construction.

If you have or ever do drive by Kirtland AFB in Albuquerque, you'll notice various aircraft (models changed over time) mounted on a pedestal attached by a gimbals type device. It appears to be a typical static type display as you can see it from the highway. But, this setup is for EMP research at Kirtland.

[Myriad]

It also seems plausible that the flickering might have been the shadow of the plane. Unless the resident was in a windowless room at the time, or happened to be looking at his light fixture at the moment it flickered, how would he tell the difference?

Respectfully,
Myriad

[A W Smith]

Looks like today there is a series of utility poles crossing the crash site to the home and two car garage that had debris on the roof


http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/AWSmith1955/shanksvillesitetodaypoles.jpg

[TC329]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but a popular piece of supposed evidence that Flight 93 was shot down is a video of a resident saying that his lights flickered a few seconds BEFORE he heard Flight 93 crash, and according to the conspiracists, fighter jets send out some kind of EMP which causes lights to flicker just before they fire a missile. I have no idea if fighter pilots do this or not (it seems pointless that they would), but I think there's a simply explanation for why the resident's lights flickered "before" the crash. In this video:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/7288

of the impact crater, we can see power lines just a few feet from the hole (to the left of the screen). Whenever Flight 175 hit the South Tower it caused the lights in nearby buildings to flicker (like the Burger King seen in Evan Fairbanks' video with the plane straight overhead). It also apparently disrupted the power in the North Tower since it caused the TV signal from the antenna to flicker. Maybe the explosion/shock wave from the crash of Flight 93 disrupted the transformer seen at the top of the pole, which travelled through the lines for miles, like when a storm knocks down a pole miles away and your lights go out? This would not seem surprising to me. An important part of the story is that the lights flickered before the crash. But if the resident was only a mile from the crash site, it would have taken him about 5 seconds to hear the explosion. The electricity would have travelled much faster, reaching nearby buildings almost instantly.


Here's your problem RKOwens, the lights all flickered before the plane ever hit the ground. Trust me, unlike you I've spoken in person with multiple people who corroborate this information and will be presenting it in the near future. The lights flickering have everything to do with a missile being fired and most likely jamming the friendly signal of the intended target.

[A W Smith]

Here's your problem RKOwens, the lights all flickered before the plane ever hit the ground. Trust me, unlike you I've spoken in person with multiple people who corroborate this information and will be presenting it in the near future. The lights flickering have everything to do with a missile being fired and most likely jamming the friendly signal of the intended target.


what traverls faster dom. sound? or an electrical surge?

[TC329]

what traverls faster dom. sound? or an electrical surge?

Start building your cases. ;)

[applecorped]

Start building your cases. ;)

When will your case be ready?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The lights flickering have everything to do with a missile being fired and most likely jamming the friendly signal of the intended target.


Additionally, what would "jamming the friendly signal of the intended target" accomplish?

[LastChild]

Wow that's some debunking there guys. Can I try?

Maybe the guy was drunk and had a blackout. Yeah that's it. A perfectly reasonable explanation. I mean who is home at that time of the morning in the middle of the week anyway? Shouldn't they be at work? Must be an alcoholic. Yeah that's it. I'm going to go make a youtube video about it right now.

DEBUNKED!

[gumboot]

Why do we even bother any more?

[applecorped]

Wow that's some debunking there guys. Can I try?

Maybe the guy was drunk and had a blackout. Yeah that's it. A perfectly reasonable explanation. I mean who is home at that time of the morning in the middle of the week anyway? Shouldn't they be at work? Must be an alcoholic. Yeah that's it. I'm going to go make a youtube video about it right now.

DEBUNKED!

Of course you will, that's all troothers do. So predictable.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Yeah that's it. I'm going to go make a youtube video about it right now.


Yes, because that's what debunkers are sooo famous for doing. :rolleyes: You can't even mock a general group of people properly...

[Boone 870]

I bet Susan McElwain's silent but deadly UAV bumped the power lines that it was supposedly flying under and that's what caused the lights to flicker!

[LastChild]

Yes, because that's what debunkers are sooo famous for doing. :rolleyes: You can't even mock a general group of people properly...


It's what RKO does. Isn't it?

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Here's your problem RKOwens, the lights all flickered before the plane ever hit the ground. Trust me, unlike you I've spoken in person with multiple people who corroborate this information and will be presenting it in the near future. The lights flickering have everything to do with a missile being fired and most likely jamming the friendly signal of the intended target.

Jamming what on a Commercial Airliner? Weather Radar? Transponder? The urinal?

What and why would a fighter be jamming anything? Do you have any clue whatsoever what the fighters have in the way of ECM? You don't even know the meaning of ECM until you "google" it. Is their ECM offensive or defensive? What frequency bands were they "jamming" that might correspond to electricity? What kind of missile do you accuse them of using?

I suggest you do a lot of studying and tread very carefully looking for realistic things that might have caused this (if it's true) or I WILL "SLAM DUNK" YOU WORSE THAN CIT IS BEING has been "SLAM DUNKED" on the NoC BS. This is a PROMISE, not a threat.

ETA: And to think, I thought the pinnacle of his ignorance was the UAV!

[A W Smith]

Why wait Dom. The future of the entire free world is depending on you! Please tell us. Do these flickering light witnesses have outdoor lighting on during a sunny clear day in September? so they were outside watching flight 93 streak across the sky and saw their landscape lights flicker before impact? How did they "deduce" when the impact happened? did they see it? Or hear it? if they heard it how far away were they? did you know sound travels at 1120.27 fps. and electromagnetic wave propagation in a copper conductor is about 120,000 miles per second?

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

It's what RKO does. Isn't it?
Where was RKO when you needed IT the most @ the "should I be a little nicer to debunkers " thread?

[CHF]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but a popular piece of supposed evidence that Flight 93 was shot down is a video of a resident saying that his lights flickered a few seconds BEFORE he heard Flight 93 crash

In other words this is one of those "why did that passenger buy a coffee before boarding his 9/11 flight to LA?" anomalies.

[Drs_Res]

I suppose that it is NOT possible that there may have been a brown out that was completely unrelated to the plane?

I have seen many brown outs that are not related to anything other than a power company problem. They always seem to happen at the worst times I might add.
They also affect the equipment at work in weird ways. (Nothing that's not explainable mind you, unless you know nothing about the equipment in question.)

Nah, couldn't be since there are no such things as a coincidence.

Make sure you check with the power company in question while you research this TC.