The Truth Movement - RIP 2001-2008

[applecorped]

I would like to announce, that after a long protracted illness, the truth movement passed away last night. It is survived by a handful of believers still hoping for its resurrection. The funeral drew 7 people, 3 of which were at the wrong funeral, 2 who were moon-hoaxers, 1 flat earther and Dylan Avery (in disguise). A reception will be held in a basement somewhere in NJ.

[T.A.M.]

well done.

Should I send flowers, or Alex Jones DVDs?

TAM;)

[Normal Dude]

The remains will be removed with thermite in lieu of cremation.

[Wildy]

Isn't this message a bit late? Or does this mean that the twitching has stopped?

[jhunter1163]

God, I wish I could find that parody Maccy (I think) did of the Monty Python dead parrot sketch. It was hilarious, and very apropos for this thread.

ETA: Found it!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2099987#post2099987

[applecorped]

I worry that cryogenics will be utilized in an attempt to revive the trooth at a later date.

[T.A.M.]

Death Certificate read....

Cause of Death: NO EVIDENCE!!!

TAM:)

[CptColumbo]

Isn't this message a bit late? Or does this mean that the twitching has stopped?It's been "brain dead" almost from the begining. They finally unplugged the machines.

[CHF]

For all intents and purposes it is dead, but it will linger on in some form like all such "movements."

They will still produce the odd "documentary" featuring the same ol' crap set to a different soundtrack, and we'll still see spambot attacks on internet forums, but that seems to be dropping off sharply.

Even LCF is dead, while here at JREF there has been a massive reduction in both twoofer quality and quantity.

Yesterday in Toronto the monthly "day of action" drew a whopping three people (http://9-11.meetup.com/282/calendar/7705029/), up slightly from last month's attendance figure of one (http://9-11.meetup.com/282/calendar/7427012/).

The Twoof movement would be doing itself a big favour if they simply disappeared all together from public view. Sticking around in such pathetically small numbers only makes their sorry state of affairs all the more apparent.

[Pato2747]

I'm laughing so hard at your posts.

I wonder if the NWO killed it.

[applecorped]

The trooth movement doesn't know it's dead; think of Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense.

[LastChild]

Yeah I keep hearing God is dead too.

[CHF]

The trooth movement doesn't know it's dead; think of Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense.

I see dead people.
In your dreams?
[shakes his head no]
While you're awake?
[nods]
Dead people like, in graves? In coffins?
Standing on street corners like regular people. They don't see how irrelevant they are. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're dead.
How often do you see them?
The 11th or 12th of every month. They're at Ground Zero or at Dundas Square in Toronto.

Yeah I keep hearing God is dead too.

Worst part is they compare themselves to Ghandi, Churchill, Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela and even God himself.

[applecorped]

It would have to exist first before it could die.

[Roadtoad]

Why does this remind me of an old Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck cartoon? You know, the one where Daffy keeps trying to get Elmer Fudd to shoot Bugs, saying it's rabbit season.

Daffy: Okay, now, what season is it.

Elmer: It's NWO season.

Daffy: THERE'S A NEW WORLD ORDER KITTY! SHOOT HIM! SHOOT HIM NOW!

BLAM!

(Daffy pulls his bill out of a tree trunk and puts it back on.)

Daffy: Okay, I think we need to re-examine this Thermite issue...

[defaultdotxbe]

Isn't this message a bit late? Or does this mean that the twitching has stopped?
i remember from playing resident evil that when the zombie is twitching that means it IS dead, if its not twitching it will get back up, lol

[gmanontario]

I see dead people.
In your dreams?
[shakes his head no]
While you're awake?
[nods]
Dead people like, in graves? In coffins?
Standing on street corners like regular people. They don't see how irrelevant they are. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're dead.
How often do you see them?
The 11th or 12th of every month. They're at Ground Zero or at Dundas Square in Toronto.



Worst part is they compare themselves to Ghandi, Churchill, Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela and even God himself.
I'll cut them some slack this month. After all it was raining and we can't expect them to search for the truth in the rain, can we? :D

I actually saw them and really, what a bunch of pathetic nerds. Next time I may take my camera and a long-range lens to take pictures of them in action.

[jhunter1163]

"Truther action" is an oxymoron.

[Newtons Bit]

I'll cut them some slack this month. After all it was raining and we can't expect them to search for the truth in the rain, can we? :D

I actually saw them and really, what a bunch of pathetic nerds. Next time I may take my camera and a long-range lens to take pictures of them in action.

Be sure to wear a nice suit. It'll really freak them out.

[Firestone]

Yesterday in Toronto the monthly "day of action" drew a whopping three people (http://9-11.meetup.com/282/calendar/7705029/), up slightly from last month's attendance figure of one (http://9-11.meetup.com/282/calendar/7427012/).With that growth rate, more than the whole world population will be in the Toronto "Truth Movement" in 20 month! :jaw-dropp

[OldTigerCub]

A pretty good indication of the "health" of the twoof movement is how well their books are selling.
Let's take a look at the Amazon.com "best seller list"

9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press (Paperback)
by David Ray Griffin (Author) Amazon.com Sales Rank: #3,293 in Books

The Shell Game (Hardcover)
by Steve Alten (Author) Amazon.com Sales Rank: #4,746 in Books


The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions (Paperback)
by David Ray Griffin (Author) Amazon.com Sales Rank: #17,087 in Books

Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory (Paperback)
by David Ray Griffin (Author) Amazon.com Sales Rank: #10,042 in Books

Let's not forget the DVD's....

9/11 and the American Empire
Starring: David Ray Griffin Director: Ken Jenkins Rating G
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #53,523 in Movies & TV

Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement (2007)
Director: Alex Jones Rating Unrated
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #938 in Movies & TV

And, of course...
Loose Change Final Cut
Starring: Stephen Jones, Ray McGovern Director: Dylan Avery
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #9,852 in Movies & TV

Not exactly the "top 40" in terms of sales or interest!:p

Yeah...it's pretty much pushing up daisies!:D

[gc051360]

Yeah I keep hearing God is dead too.

Have you been reading some Nietzche?

eta: Are you trying to draw any parallels to anything, or are you just blathering about nothing? What's the point of this statement you made?

[pomeroo]

If you think the fantasy movement died a horrible death, on April 24 Ace Baker will attempt to prove to video expert Steven Wright that no planes hit the Twin Towers.

[applecorped]

If that isn't an example of the death of the trooth movement then I don't know what is.

[T.A.M.]

If you think the fantasy movement died a horrible death, on April 24 Ace Baker will attempt to prove to video expert Steven Wright that no planes hit the Twin Towers.

I dunno, seems to me it may mean that hardfire needs some ratings...sorry Ron, but I never thought I would see the day that you allowed ACE baker a chance to spew his nonsense for a larger audience.

TAM;)

[eromitlab]

Endgame is ranked #938? Wow, that's higher than I would have thought. Certainly, higher than it deserves to be considering what junk it is. The rest, yeah. But just wait until Teh Twoof Weak kicks in!

[pomeroo]

I dunno, seems to me it may mean that hardfire needs some ratings...sorry Ron, but I never thought I would see the day that you allowed ACE baker a chance to spew his nonsense for a larger audience.

TAM;)


TAM, Amazingly, we get e-mails from no-planers who argue that we're suppressing the truth that no planes hit the Towers. I understand Mark's principled refusal to appear opposite a no-planer, but I contend that it's not the job of rationalists to establish a hierarchy of lunacy. The dunce who pretends that two huge skyscrapers were surreptitiously wired with thousands of pounds of explosives wants to look down his nose at a nut who believes that no planes were involved? Who am I to say that one insane, moronic, baseless myth is more "respectable" than another? Personally, I love showcasing Ace as the face of the fantasy movement. He has something the other frauds and liars lack: the courage of his convictions.

[CHF]

Ron, perhaps you could bring on some other twoofers to argue against Ace.

It'll be one big "you're disinfo!" fest.

I'd say that would sum up the TM pretty nicely.

[Drudgewire]

But... but... they just got Margaret Cho and Jesse Ventur...





...yeah, I see your point. :D

[Walter Ego]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_2284548028c025ce5c.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=11727)

[applecorped]

Nice picture!

[LashL]

God, I wish I could find that parody Maccy (I think) did of the Monty Python dead parrot sketch. It was hilarious, and very apropos for this thread.

ETA: Found it!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2099987#post2099987


Oh, that was a good one, indeed!

[Liszt]

I love showcasing Ace as the face of the fantasy movement. He has something the other frauds and liars lack: the courage of his convictions.

Has he appeared before? Is there a link? I always thought these no planers were just cartoon people, and didn't really exist (the people who said they have seen them are liars/shills etc)

And the no planers are definately madder than the CD people, by a huge margin. CD is at least possible - building are blown up all the time. Space weapons & cartoons is the pinacle of tomfoolery.

[Minadin]

The remains will be removed with thermite in lieu of cremation.

I thought we were planning to immediately put them on barges headed for China? If that's still on, will it be before or after the thermation?

[AZCat]

Has he appeared before? Is there a link? I always thought these no planers were just cartoon people, and didn't really exist (the people who said they have seen them are liars/shills etc)

And the no planers are definately madder than the CD people, by a huge margin. CD is at least possible - building are blown up all the time. Space weapons & cartoons is the pinacle of tomfoolery.

Ace Baker is so crazy he made up a song about Judy Wood. There's a link to it around here somewhere. If you've a strong stomach, you can check out his nutty ideas at www.acebaker.com. There are also quite a few threads here about his "work".

[Liszt]

Ace Baker is so crazy he made up a song about Judy Wood. There's a link to it around here somewhere. If you've a strong stomach, you can check out his nutty ideas at www.acebaker.com. There are also quite a few threads here about his "work".


Good grief. I remember looking at his site last year, but got a headache and had to go to bed.

This song for Judy though...

Anyway, it is playing now. And guess what? It's ok! He can can actually play and sing rather well.

Song and lyrics (don't bother with the lyrics) are at

http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/JudyWood/JudyWould.html

[AZCat]

Good grief. I remember looking at his site last year, but got a headache and had to go to bed.

This song for Judy though...

Anyway, it is playing now. And guess what? It's ok! He can can actually play and sing rather well.

Song and lyrics (don't bother with the lyrics) are at

http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/JudyWood/JudyWould.html

I had not listened to it before now, but it is not half bad. Still, it's about Judy Wood. Half-baked, is Mr. Baker.

[pomeroo]

I invite anyone who actually observed Flight 175 crash into the South Tower to PM me with the details.

[Walter Ego]

Nice picture!

'Troof' sounds like a dog, though.

You can make your own tombstone here.

http://www.jjchandler.com/tombstone/

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_2284548028c025ce5c.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=11727)

And announce a memorial service here.

http://churchsigngenerator.com/

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/2284548029b4f1e4e7.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=11728)

[CHF]

I'll cut them some slack this month. After all it was raining and we can't expect them to search for the truth in the rain, can we? :D

I actually saw them and really, what a bunch of pathetic nerds. Next time I may take my camera and a long-range lens to take pictures of them in action.

What would you say the attendance was - is 3 an accurate number?

And was there a huge crowd of interested people asking them about the twoof?

[gmanontario]

What would you say the attendance was - is 3 an accurate number?

And was there a huge crowd of interested people asking them about the twoof?
I wasn't there long, maybe 15 minutes or so, my daughter was doing her shopping thing, but I saw 2 people giving out literature and one person actually trying to talk to people as they walked the street. There were more people standing around them but I have no idea if they were with the nerds.

Unfortunately I was on the opposite side of Dundas when we went by them. As far as I could see, people took the papers and then promptly dumped them in a recycler conveniently placed about 3 meters down the street. Homeless types were hanging around panhandling the people as usual. People scurrying around them trying to keep out of the rain. Nobody seemed to care too much about them and the police didn't even give them another glance. The bike cops refused to stop and speak when asked by the speaker dude.

Another fine example of the twoof in action trying to bring the perps to justice.:p If 3 is a crowd, then yes I'd say there was a crowd around them. Otherwise they were ignored totally.

Yep next month I'm going to really try hard to get some photos. May 11 is even on a saturday too. I won't try to speak with them though, I'm afraid the stupid will burn. I'll leave that to more experienced types.

[Sizzler]

I would like to announce, that after a long protracted illness, the truth movement passed away last night. It is survived by a handful of believers still hoping for its resurrection. The funeral drew 7 people, 3 of which were at the wrong funeral, 2 who were moon-hoaxers, 1 flat earther and Dylan Avery (in disguise). A reception will be held in a basement somewhere in NJ.

Did I miss something? what happened last night?

[Myriad]

Did I miss something? what happened last night?


(Note that, as of this posting, it's actually the night before last.)

What happened was that Truth Movement activists who claim to want a new investigation continued to fail to take any of the steps that would be necessary for getting a new investigation, such as clearly and honestly enumerating their alternative theories including their flaws so that the balance of evidence for those theories can be carefully assessed, and instead continued to engage in and plan activities that actually make a new investigation less likely, such as heckling political speakers, disrupting memorial observances with shouts of "9/11 was an inside job!," and alienating their should-be allies in the antiwar and pro-gay movements (among others) by crashing their demonstrations and muddling their messages.

Okay, I know what you're probably thinking. "But, no one did those things specifically that particular night. We've been doing that for years."

Which underscores the OP's point.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[applecorped]

There has been a noticeable lack of troothers lately, save for LC, DC, Swing & Red. How was it a couple of years ago? What was the peak of troother posting here?

[aggle-rithm]

There has been a noticeable lack of troothers lately, save for LC, DC, Swing & Red. How was it a couple of years ago? What was the peak of troother posting here?

There were a lot of them, but we didn't hear from them all at once. I think most of them found it more comforting to post at the Loose Change forum where they could feel special and wanted.

They used to come in waves of three or four at a time. Before long, they would get frustrated and either stop posting or go for a suicide-by-mod. Then the next wave would come, each convinced that all they had to do was educate us and we would suddenly see the light and come over to their side.

[applecorped]

Sounds like trooothers are like suicide bombers except that they only blow themselves (and their theories) up.

[WhatWouldZeusDo]

'Troof' sounds like a dog, though.

You can make your own tombstone here.

http://www.jjchandler.com/tombstone/]


I'm a sucker for the roadside memorial generator.

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3301/crosspicfm7.jpg

[peteweaver]

Perhaps the internationally famous westbro baptist church should give twoof its funeral service ;)

[Perikles]

Congratulations on your victory, guys.
I'm very glad also that the debunking community has a sense of humor. It is a fact that whatever your idea or theory is, you will know every form of criticque possible in about 5 to seven days.

[moon1969]

If David Icke and raelians can still keep their fans then so will the twoof movment. I wonder if Nancy Lieder still has fans?

[applecorped]

Congratulations on your victory, guys.
I'm very glad also that the debunking community has a sense of humor. It is a fact that whatever your idea or theory is, you will know every form of criticque possible in about 5 to seven days.

Was that days or years?

[Blender Head]

From Ace's site, the "Hunt the Rubble Game" (http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/HTR/web-content/Pages/HTRHome.html):

I have discovered that the only way some people can bear to study 9/11 is through games or music. If HTR can stimulate people to wonder and ask important questions, it has served its purpose.

Like an episode of Mr. Truther's Neighborhood?