Hey CTers! Where ARE You guys?

[johnny karate]

Inspired by the video in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=111476) of a Q & A session from Truthstock 2008 (http://www.911blogger.com/node/14537) that took place on April 10th at San Diego University.

The event featured three of the most prominent figures in the Truth Movement: Richard Gage, Steven Jones, and Dylan Avery.

The event was FREE.

The event took place within two hours of nearly 20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego-Carlsbad-San_Marcos%2C_CA_MSA#Demographics) million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles_Area#Demographics) U.S. citizens, at least a third of which supposedly believe their government was complicit in the events of 9/11 (http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll), something which CTers delight in reminding us.

And yet, watching this video (http://blip.tv/file/828397) , I see maybe 50 people in that room. Let's be generous and call it 100.

Now, a third of 20 million is a little more than 100. Somewhere around 6.6 million, actually. Let's be generous and call it 6 million. But that's still a fairly large discrepancy.

Any or our resident CTers care to offer a theory as to why the other 5.9999 million people didn't bother to show up?

[Brainache]

Was it raining?

[Mr. Skinny]

The event took place within two hours of nearly 20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego-Carlsbad-San_Marcos%2C_CA_MSA#Demographics) million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles_Area#Demographics) U.S. citizens, at least a third of which supposedly believe their government was complicit in the events of 9/11 (http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll), something which CTers delight in reminding us.

And yet, watching this video (http://blip.tv/file/828397) , I see maybe 50 people in that room. Let's be generous and call it 100.

Now, a third of 20 million is a little more than 100. Somewhere around 6.6 million, actually. Let's be generous and call it 6 million. But that's still a fairly large discrepancy.

Any or our resident CTers care to offer a theory as to why the other 5.9999 million people didn't bother to show up?

I suppose it's possible that the 6 million or so people that allegedly believe thir government was complicit in the events of 9/11 are so firm in their belief that they see no need to attend a rally featuring these three individuals.

Their support is financial and done behind the scenes without fanfare.

They consider events like these to be useful only to gain new recruits to the cause.

[CHF]

I can't imagine that any twoofer still buys into the "we're in the 86% majority" crap that Alex Jones was spewing at one time.

Seriously....what is there to indicate that the TM is something more than an irrelevent tiny fringe group of complete losers?

[Walter Ego]

Did they give out free balloons and ice cream? Was there a clown?

It would probably have done better at Chuck E. Cheese than at a university.

[eromitlab]

I'd hazard the guess that they didn't have free punch and pie.

[Mr. Skinny]

I can't imagine that any twoofer still buys into the "we're in the 86% majority" crap that Alex Jones was spewing at one time.

Seriously....what is there to indicate that the TM is something more than an irrelevent tiny fringe group of complete losers?
Well, actually, the popularity of this sub-forum seems to indicate that they're not yet irrelevant, at least at this level.

I post and read in this sub-forum less and less, becauses there are few original arguments of late. I personally dislike threads meant to mock the opposition (like this thread, actually) and they are becoming more frequent here.

I'd suggest people explore the rest of the forum and take a vacation from the CT forum for a while. It does the body good.

[johnny karate]

I suppose it's possible that the 6 million or so people that allegedly believe thir government was complicit in the events of 9/11 are so firm in their belief that they see no need to attend a rally featuring these three individuals.

Their support is financial and done behind the scenes without fanfare.

They consider events like these to be useful only to gain new recruits to the cause.

Seems fair enough, but wouldn't the effects of this support manifest itself in other ways?

This event is merely a microcosm of the Truth Movement as a whole, and my observation on the attendance level meant to reflect the enormous exaggeration they engage in to inflate their numbers. According to their claims, they should have the support of 100 million people nationwide. That's more than enough to elect a president, let alone force a new investigation via petitions and protests.

The notion that that many people truly believe their government conspired to murder 3,000 innocent people, and yet blithely go through life doing absolutely nothing about it is preposterous.

A more likely scenario (and one borne out by the attendance levels of any Truth Movement protest, rally, or other event) is that they lie about this just like they lie about as great many other things.

[Mr. Skinny]

Johnny,

I was just trying to be a better skeptic and consider other possible solutions; even those that countered my own personal beliefs.

[LastChild]

Is it raining here at JREF? Are there any debunkers anywhere but here?

[Par]

Is it raining here at JREF? Are there any debunkers anywhere but here?


Remember, we’ve already got what we want.

[LastChild]

Remember, we’ve already got what we want.

So why are you still here?

[johnny karate]

Johnny,

I was just trying to be a better skeptic and consider other possible solutions; even those that countered my own personal beliefs.

I understand that, and was trying to respond in kind.

I just think the solution you offered, when applied to the big picture, doesn't hold water. Therefore, my point remains: The Truth Movement is a marginalized, insignificant minority desperately trying to pass itself off as some kind of political and social force.

[johnny karate]

So why are you still here?

Care to address the OP or are you just trolling as usual?

[realitybites]

So why are you still here?

We're all planning the next false flag. The target(s) and plot are all encrypted in a secret code hidden amongst various posts in randomly selected threads on this forum.

Here's the first clue:

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[CHF]

Is it raining here at JREF? Are there any debunkers anywhere but here?

You mean do we feel the need to have conventions called "debunkstock" or stand on street corners screaming into bullhorns?

No. Our position doesn't require such idiocy.

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

So why are you still here?
Hey, still enjoying that book you borrowed from me while you were out?
asnwer the Q!
why so few twoofers?
and please don't cry.

[Undesired Walrus]

Inspired by the video in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=111476) of a Q & A session from Truthstock 2008 (http://www.911blogger.com/node/14537) that took place on April 10th at San Diego University.

The event featured three of the most prominent figures in the Truth Movement: Richard Gage, Steven Jones, and Dylan Avery.

The event was FREE.

The event took place within two hours of nearly 20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego-Carlsbad-San_Marcos%2C_CA_MSA#Demographics) million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles_Area#Demographics) U.S. citizens, at least a third of which supposedly believe their government was complicit in the events of 9/11 (http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll), something which CTers delight in reminding us.

And yet, watching this video (http://blip.tv/file/828397) , I see maybe 50 people in that room. Let's be generous and call it 100.

Now, a third of 20 million is a little more than 100. Somewhere around 6.6 million, actually. Let's be generous and call it 6 million. But that's still a fairly large discrepancy.

Any or our resident CTers care to offer a theory as to why the other 5.9999 million people didn't bother to show up?

Scared of their government. Those who showed up were like the Burmese, Martin Luther King or the Jews crawling out of Auschwitz. Thank the lord such heroes like Dylan Avery keep the spirit alive by rapping on youtube. *sniff*

[Swing Dangler]

Inspired by the video in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=111476) of a Q & A session from Truthstock 2008 (http://www.911blogger.com/node/14537) that took place on April 10th at San Diego University.

The event featured three of the most prominent figures in the Truth Movement: Richard Gage, Steven Jones, and Dylan Avery.

The event was FREE.

The event took place within two hours of nearly 20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego-Carlsbad-San_Marcos%2C_CA_MSA#Demographics) million (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles_Area#Demographics) U.S. citizens, at least a third of which supposedly believe their government was complicit in the events of 9/11 (http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll), something which CTers delight in reminding us.

And yet, watching this video (http://blip.tv/file/828397) , I see maybe 50 people in that room. Let's be generous and call it 100.

Now, a third of 20 million is a little more than 100. Somewhere around 6.6 million, actually. Let's be generous and call it 6 million. But that's still a fairly large discrepancy.

Any or our resident CTers care to offer a theory as to why the other 5.9999 million people didn't bother to show up?

Geographical locations and the rising cost of fuel might be one reason or perhaps lack of vacation days to take to attend the event might be another reason.

[HyJinX]

Geographical locations and the rising cost of fuel might be one reason or perhaps lack of vacation days to take to attend the event might be another reason.

Yeah, You're right...the "truth" will just have to wait until next time. Maybe if it's on a Saturday and somewhere closer to home. :rolleyes:

[CHF]

Geographical locations and the rising cost of fuel might be one reason or perhaps lack of vacation days to take to attend the event might be another reason.

Well I was gonna show up and support the revolution to overthrow the NWO fascists and their plot to enslave the planet...but the boss wouldn't give me time off, and besides...have you seen the cost of fuel these days?

Lamest. Movement. Ever.

[Swing Dangler]

Yeah, You're right...the "truth" will just have to wait until next time. Maybe if it's on a Saturday and somewhere closer to home. :rolleyes:

Yeah HyJinX, one meeting defines a movement. Good one!

[applecorped]

It certainly defines your bowel movement.

[R.Mackey]

Geographical locations and the rising cost of fuel might be one reason or perhaps lack of vacation days to take to attend the event might be another reason.

One imagines the organizers of that event would have taken those factors into consideration. After all, nobody forced them to hold it in Sandy Eggo.

Or they may have assumed, incorrectly, that since other political movements don't seem to suffer from this problem, they would be no different.

Which is it? Is the Truth Movement (a) badly organized, (b) stupendously more strapped for cash than other political entities, or (c) a whole lot weaker than it thinks it is? I'm guessing (c) based on a variety of indicators...

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

They're organized like the Ron Paul internet spammers, no cash (Avery is busy spending it on plasma TVs and ATVs), and MUCH MUCH MUCH weaker than it thinks it is.

100 isn't even 4.6% of the possible population they "should" have had there.

[Stellafane]

Are there any debunkers anywhere but here?

So Bill Clinton only hangs out here? And Popular Mechanics? And the South Park guys? And NIST and History Channel? And...well, you get the idea. Wiow, there's a lot more of us than I ever would have guessed. And what an eclectic crew! OK, 'fess up: which one of us is Clinton?

[Stellafane]

Geographical locations and the rising cost of fuel might be one reason or perhaps lack of vacation days to take to attend the event might be another reason.

Yes, perhaps that's it. Or maybe it's because...wait for it...NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND BELIEVES YOUR BLINDINGLY IDIOTIC AND DISEASED LITTLE CONSPIRACY!!!

You guys are literally the most pathetic "movement" I've ever seen in my life. More people show up at the average wedding than you can muster for your big "Truth Week" event. I am literally laughing as I re-read that last sentence. Seriously, at this point how can Truthers have even a shred of self respect or dignity left?

(And yes, I'm ready to accept whatever Mod punishment gets meted out because I shouted. I have to admit, it felt pretty good though.)

[T.A.M.]

Swing:

even if we say that gas, the weather, vacation time, etc...caused the attendence to be 1/3rd what it should be, that is only upping the number to 150-300 people...in an area with a 20 mile catchment of 20 million. Three of the most prominent truth movement figures.

You have to admit, when it comes to activism in the REAL WORLD, the 9/11 truth movement is PRETTY PATHETIC.

TAM:)

[HyJinX]

Yeah HyJinX, one meeting defines a movement. Good one!

Movement? What Movement? You guys have been stuck in stupid gear for more than 6 years now and you haven't moved an inch. Good luck with that.

[Par]

Is it raining here at JREF? Are there any debunkers anywhere but here?Remember, we’ve already got what we want.So why are you still here?


Here is not a political protest.

[Par]

Is it raining here at JREF? Are there any debunkers anywhere but here?


I’ll put it another way: We don’t see many people campaigning for woman to be afforded the vote. This is because women already have the vote.

[johnny karate]

Yeah HyJinX, one meeting defines a movement. Good one!

Fair point. Could you tell us about a Truth Movement event, any Truth Movement event, that had attendance numbers indicative of the popular support they claim to have?