Hillary's latest "mis-speak".

[The Atheist]

Regardless of the fact that New Zealand is a little bitty country at the derriere of the world, Helen Clark is one of the world's foremost, and longest-serving, women leaders.

As such, Hillary should have known extremely well that St Helen is still the PM of NZ.

Fair enough that Hills should use Helen as an example of dealing with criticism - usually known as "mangina", our Helen - but making an unforgiveable gaffe?

Priceless.

Fool her once... fool her once.

Gosh, she reminds me of someone else....

"I served in the US Air Force..."

"I was shot at..."

"Africa is a great country..."

"Former NZ Prime Minister..."

[Wolfman]

You mean New Zealand is a real country?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

:eek:

That's it, she crossed the line! I am so not voting for her now!







But you would think that someone who makes such a big deal about how it would be a "historic" election and that she was "breaking the last glass ceiling" would know that the woman who has been PM since before she ever held a public office is still in power.

Fear not, I shall use all my political might to make this gaffe change the election! To the blogs!

[The Atheist]

[QUOTE=Tsukasa Buddha;3640578But you would think that someone who makes such a big deal about how it would be a "historic" election and that she was "breaking the last glass ceiling" would know that the woman who has been PM since before she ever held a public office is still in power.

Fear not, I shall use all my political might to make this gaffe change the election! To the blogs![/QUOTE]

That's exactly how I saw it.

Really, could you get a bigger "Oops!"?

PM since her husband was President, no less.

Compounded surely by Helen Clark's Labour being the political equivalent of the Dems?

[Brainster]

Crikey! Given the huge Pennsylvania Kiwi voting block this must be it for Hillary!

:D

[KoihimeNakamura]

Actually, they're more than you think.

(ETA: This is Partial Sarcasm)

[Brainster]

Actually, they're more than you think.

I assume you're talking about Pennsylvanians who've eaten Kiwi fruit.

:duck:

[Damien Evans]

That's pretty bloody stupid.

I could forgive her for not knowing who the current Governor General is, but not knowing Helen Clarke is still PM when you're trying to become a world leader? Stupid stupid stupid.

[KoihimeNakamura]

Possibly. Now, if you'll excuse me [-dashes off for the LART shelter, Warp 9!]

:duck:

[Wolfman]

That's pretty bloody stupid.

I could forgive her for not knowing who the current Governor General is, but not knowing Helen Clarke is still PM when you're trying to become a world leader? Stupid stupid stupid.
People, you are talking about a nation that elected George W. Bush not once, but TWICE, as the President of their nation. Knowledge of world leaders (or even basic understanding) is obviously not a deciding factor. Claiming to have been under fire when she wasn't? Stupid, makes her look like a liar. Not knowing who is the current leader of New Zealand? Just helps all the countless Americans who wouldn't be able to name NZ's Prime Minister if their life depended on it to feel that she is "one of them".

[Ysidro]

People, you are talking about a nation that elected George W. Bush not once, but TWICE, as the President of their nation. Knowledge of world leaders (or even basic understanding) is obviously not a deciding factor. Claiming to have been under fire when she wasn't? Stupid, makes her look like a liar. Not knowing who is the current leader of New Zealand? Just helps all the countless Americans who wouldn't be able to name NZ's Prime Minister if their life depended on it to feel that she is "one of them".

Wolfman, I am incredibly offended by this post of yours! I would have thought better of you until now. You have to know only Americans, such as myself, get to say things like this. ;)

Also, New Zealand is a real country. It's Norway that's fake.

[Drudgewire]

Let's not forget "I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillary.asp)." :p

[Brainster]

Let's not forget "I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/hillary.asp)." :p

Don't forget Obama's bizarre claim (http://www.barackobama.com/2007/03/04/selma_voting_rights_march_comm.php) that he was conceived because of Selma:

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

One little problem; the famed incident in Selma occurred in 1965, when Obama was almost four years old.

[Wolfman]

Don't forget Obama's bizarre claim (http://www.barackobama.com/2007/03/04/selma_voting_rights_march_comm.php) that he was conceived because of Selma:

One little problem; the famed incident in Selma occurred in 1965, when Obama was almost four years old.
Ya' know, I read that, and I re-read it. And nowhere can I find anywhere that Obama says he was conceived on the date or at the time that the referenced events took place. In fact, no matter how I read it, it comes out the same every time. That Obama's father and mother met after those events, and it was specifically because those events had occurred that a black man from Africa and a white woman in Alabama were actually able to be together and get married. ie. if those events had not occurred, if his father had arrived before those events, such a relationship would have been impossible (or, at the very least, far more unlikely).

So yes...Obama is here in part because of what happened in Selma. Which is the only claim he is making. If you can find anywhere in that where he actually says he was conceived during those events, as opposed to being conceived as a result of those events, then I'll gladly agree with you that this is a "bizarre claim". But other than that, I'll put it down to someone who simply doesn't like Obama doing their best to make his words mean something other than intended.

[Brainster]

Ya' know, I read that, and I re-read it. And nowhere can I find anywhere that Obama says he was conceived on the date or at the time that the referenced events took place. In fact, no matter how I read it, it comes out the same every time. That Obama's father and mother met after those events, and it was specifically because those events had occurred that a black man from Africa and a white woman in Alabama were actually able to be together and get married. ie. if those events had not occurred, if his father had arrived before those events, such a relationship would have been impossible (or, at the very least, far more unlikely).

So yes...Obama is here in part because of what happened in Selma. Which is the only claim he is making. If you can find anywhere in that where he actually says he was conceived during those events, as opposed to being conceived as a result of those events, then I'll gladly agree with you that this is a "bizarre claim". But other than that, I'll put it down to someone who simply doesn't like Obama doing their best to make his words mean something other than intended.

But Obama's mother and father did not meet after those events, they met well before those events. Post hoc reasoning may be flawed, but pre hoc reasoning makes no sense at all.

[The Atheist]

Not knowing who is the current leader of New Zealand? Just helps all the countless Americans who wouldn't be able to name NZ's Prime Minister if their life depended on it to feel that she is "one of them".

Nope, you're wrong on several counts, most importantly:

Hillary plays the "woman" card and women clearly support her for it.

She knows who Helen Clark is sufficiently to use her anecdotally.

She is betraying her stated ideals by not knowing who the longest-serving elected woman PM/President is, or that she's still in office.

[NotJesus]

I was only four at the time but I still remember it well. Helen Clark, Tenzing Norgay and I were in our base camp overlooking Selma, Alabama. Tenzing was making cream of yak soup and I was feeding ammo to Helen as she fired down on the local Bosnians who were rioting in protest against mixed marriages between Sunnis and Shiites.

[Wolfman]

But Obama's mother and father did not meet after those events, they met well before those events. Post hoc reasoning may be flawed, but pre hoc reasoning makes no sense at all.
Sorry, I'm not getting your arguments at all here. First, Obama was lying because these events happened four years before he was born. Now, you claim that he is lying because these events happened after his parents met.

And again, even if this is true, it was my interpretation that they met after these events...not Obama's statement. Again, please show me where he specifically made any such claim.

In fact, if your claim is true, it could well strengthen his argument...that his parents did, in fact, experience the events in question, and that those events were part of what either drew them together, and/or made their relationship possible.

Boy, you are determined to make this fit your predetermined conclusion, no matter how much you have to ignore what he actually said, aren't you!

[Lithrael]

Sorry, I'm not getting your arguments at all here. First, Obama was lying because these events happened four years before he was born. Now, you claim that he is lying because these events happened after his parents met.

Boy, you are determined to make this fit your predetermined conclusion, no matter how much you have to ignore what he actually said, aren't you!

What? Wolfman, dude, you need some sleep or something. Nothing got switched. Obama was four when these events happened. His parents met before they happened. He was born before they happened. So these events did not have anything to do with Obama happening. He had already happened. Clear?

[Wolfman]

What? Wolfman, dude, you need some sleep or something. Nothing got switched. Obama was four when these events happened. His parents met before they happened. He was born before they happened. So these events did not have anything to do with Obama happening. He had already happened. Clear?Ooops.

Yes, it appears I am posting without enough sleep. My apologies, I misread this...and must admit that yes, this does seem like a rather blatant misstatement of fact.

Brainster, my apologies.

[WildCat]

Regardless of the fact that New Zealand is a little bitty country at the derriere of the world, Helen Clark is one of the world's foremost, and longest-serving, women leaders.
Evidence?

[The Atheist]

Evidence?

OMG! You really are that dense!

Here you go, sweetie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Women_World_Leaders). Wasn't that hard to find, was it? There is one woman on the list longer serving than St Helen, but that is in a titular presidency only. No country has a longer-serving, elected woman leader than NZ.

[Damien Evans]

OMG! You really are that dense!

Here you go, sweetie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Women_World_Leaders). Wasn't that hard to find, was it? There is one woman on the list longer serving than St Helen, but that is in a titular presidency only. No country has a longer-serving, elected woman leader than NZ.

I think you misunderstand. He's asking whether or not Helen actually is a woman. A fair question I think.

[Wolfman]

OMG! You really are that dense!

Here you go, sweetie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Women_World_Leaders). Wasn't that hard to find, was it? There is one woman on the list longer serving than St Helen, but that is in a titular presidency only. No country has a longer-serving, elected woman leader than NZ.I'm feeling a little better about my own denseness, displayed above...this was very obviously a joke.

[WildCat]

OMG! You really are that dense!
:id:

[The Atheist]

I think you misunderstand. He's asking whether or not Helen actually is a woman. A fair question I think.

Eh? Never occurred to me that he's blind as well as thick:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_10377480ebb017f20a.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=11885)

[WildCat]

Eh? Never occurred to me that he's blind as well as thick:
Here's one that isn't so compressed and photoshopped: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/51/Prime_Minister_Helen_Clark1.jpg/455px-Prime_Minister_Helen_Clark1.jpg

My point stands.

[Chaos]

OMG! You really are that dense!


But then, at least he is evi-dense. :D