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Thunder
22nd April 2008, 08:53 AM
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/977076.html

I'm sure he can justify his treason by discussing the St. Louis and Roosevelt's failure to bomb the tracks to Aushwitz.

madurobob
22nd April 2008, 09:35 AM
Yep, the problem I see is that its unclear whether you are distressed because he transferred classified docs to Israeli spooks, or simply because he is a damned jay-oh-oh.

The former is a criminal offense and will be taken care of. The latter is simply sad.

Thunder
22nd April 2008, 10:07 AM
distressed that he is a jew? why would that bother me?

Mycroft
22nd April 2008, 10:43 AM
distressed that he is a jew? why would that bother me?

Dunno, but you certainly emphasized it in the thread title.

Tell me, if you think Netenyaho is supposed to curb his speech for fear of giving ammunition to conspiracy nutters and bigots, how come you jump up and down shouting every time you find a Jew doing something wrong? Don't you think that feeds the conspiracy nutters too?

Darth Rotor
22nd April 2008, 12:42 PM
American Jew arrested for giving American secrets to Israel.
Hang him from the highest yardarm in Baltimore harbor. Make sure Pollard swings with him.
I'm sure he can justify his treason by discussing the St. Louis and Roosevelt's failure to bomb the tracks to Aushwitz.
What the heck are you talking about?

DR

SDC
22nd April 2008, 01:51 PM
Spying based on nationalism is, it seems, becoming tres chic. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/weekinreview/20shane.html?ref=weekinreview

Parky, I'll bet neither the "St Louis" nor Auschwitz will be referenced.

Thunder
22nd April 2008, 02:06 PM
i jump up and down whenever a jew does something wrong? i dont think so.

but, i must admit, it does bother me greatly that jews would spy on the USA, who has sacrificed great amounts of treasure and international relations in the name of protecting the Jewish State. Why spy on such a strong ally?

talk about biting the hand that feeds you. one would think that at the very least, Israel and Jews would not conduct espionage against the nation that time and time again, has come to their aide.

Dragoonster
22nd April 2008, 02:27 PM
i jump up and down whenever a jew does something wrong? i dont think so.

but, i must admit, it does bother me greatly that jews would spy on the USA, who has sacrificed great amounts of treasure and international relations in the name of protecting the Jewish State. Why spy on such a strong ally?

talk about biting the hand that feeds you. one would think that at the very least, Israel and Jews would not conduct espionage against the nation that time and time again, has come to their aide.

Well just spying isn't a huge deal, it's accepted practice for nearly every 1st world country (just don't get caught). I'd bet we have spies in Israel.

I do agree that what he was spying on is grating and touches a nerve. Nuclear secrets, for a country that hasn't declared nukes, that we haven't pressed on nukes when we could. And f-16s (presumably that would help them regain their full capability from whatever we watered them down to for export), from the country that basically gives them to Israel for free due to our yearly multibillion $ aid. Plus this follows Pollard, and even the Israeli admittal of his spywork and granting him citizenship. I mean yeesh, spying shouldn't be quite so haughty.

I'd certainly like to see a serious public reaction/warning from our government. But it'll likely go like the A.Q. Khan thing, a lukewarm response if at all.

Father Dagon
22nd April 2008, 02:29 PM
Yeah, but wrong is wrong. Period. And besides, the american support to Israel was totally lukewarm for the first 20 years. Like, supporting a pinko socialist state in the middle east? No way! Just beacuse I'm jewish and escaped from the nazis does not mean that those unfunny collectivists in their ugly and ill-fitting clothes in their dusty country far away from decent civilization are entitled to any support from me. Get out of my face, will you? Dragnet is on the tube tonight!

Thunder
22nd April 2008, 02:33 PM
u will not see widespread critisism of israel due to this event. we all know that. critisism of Israel, in the USA, is taboo. its tantamount to holocaust denial and blood libels.

a nation that can never be critisized...can do anything.

madurobob
22nd April 2008, 02:44 PM
distressed that he is a jew? why would that bother me?
Indeed, why should it? It has no bearing on the spy story, yet you highlight it in the OP. Why is that?

Spying against your own country is bad, but not unprecedented or really that unexpected. I have no doubt the US has similar citizen-spies in many, many countries including Israel.

For the record, this is activity from the late 70s and early 80s. Israel will simply claim this is from a previous era that also spawned Pollard and that surely after Pollard came to light they would never actively spy on the US. Its BS, of course, but thats what they'll say. We would say the same thing if the circumstances were reversed. The cold reality is that allies spy on each other all the time.

Mycroft
22nd April 2008, 02:49 PM
i jump up and down whenever a jew does something wrong? i dont think so.

Well, you're certainly doing it now. Plus you failed (again) to address the question of why it's wrong for Netenyahu to make statements that might give fodder for the conspiracy nutters and bigots but apparently it's okay for you?

C'mon, answer the question. What gives?


but, i must admit, it does bother me greatly that jews would spy on the USA...

There are what, ten million Jews in the USA? This guy and Pollard makes two? It's not like this is a huge social phenomena, is it?

At this point we can only speculate about why this guy did what he did. The news reports he has an Israeli brother, and he's got a name that seems pretty Jewish. Was he motivated by religion? Politics? Some combination of both? Maybe he was just confused about right and wrong? At this point we don't know.

We don't really know if he was a Jew, or if he was, in what sense. For all we know, he might be a Catholic who has a Jewish name because he's descended from assimilated Jews. Unlikely? Sure, but it hasn't been ruled out.

...one would think that at the very least, Israel and Jews would not conduct espionage against the nation that time and time again, has come to their aide.

Israel is a nation, as a nation its government can set policy that its people can abide by. One can certainly hold the Israeli government responsible for the actions of any of its operatives. After the Pollard incident, the stated policy of Israel has been not to spy on the United States. From news reports, this incident predates that policy.

Jews, on the other hand, are millions of individual people, each motivated by all the things that motivate individual people. It should not at all be surprising that you can find a small number of Jews who do anything humans are capable of, no matter how counter-intuitive it seems. You can even find Jews who promote anti-Semitism, if you can believe it.

It's not Jews who spied on the US in that story, it's one man. When you hold Jews plural, as a group, responsible for the actions of one Jew, you yourself step across that line into promoting bigotry.

Mycroft
22nd April 2008, 02:54 PM
u will not see widespread critisism of israel due to this event. we all know that. critisism of Israel, in the USA, is taboo. its tantamount to holocaust denial and blood libels.

a nation that can never be critisized...can do anything.

What are you talking about? Israel is the most criticized nation there is. Have you taken a look at United Nations resolutions lately?

Israel was widely criticized for the Pollard incident. If this incident is any different, it's only because today he's an 84 year old man and it happened long ago.

Cleon
22nd April 2008, 03:07 PM
i jump up and down whenever a jew does something wrong? i dont think so.

but, i must admit, it does bother me greatly that jews would spy on the USA,

This Jew has no intention of spying on the USA, for Israel or anybody else, and frankly I resent, reject, and am royally pissed off by any insinuation to the contrary.

BPSCG
22nd April 2008, 04:05 PM
This Jew has no intention of spying on the USA, for Israel or anybody else, and frankly I resent, reject, and am royally pissed off by any insinuation to the contrary.This kind of :talk034: really hacks me off. When I was a kid, I used to hear, occasionally, people say, "Well, the problem with Jews is, you never know if their loyalty is to the U.S. or to Israel." I'd hear that and want to pop the speaker in the mouth. My dad was a Jew and would have been more likely to sprout feathers and begin speaking in Martian than than to sell out America, even to Israel.

The point isn't that it was a Jew who spied on America; it was an American who spied on America. Hope the :talk034: makes someone a good girlfriend when he gets locked up.

mrbaracuda
22nd April 2008, 04:06 PM
Uh, where does it say the guy's Jewish? I mean ok, but wouldn't you have thought he'd be in Israel now? Well whatever. The article sure doesn't say he's a JOO.

a_unique_person
22nd April 2008, 05:26 PM
Hang him from the highest yardarm in Baltimore harbor. Make sure Pollard swings with him.



DR

Surely Israel is the party to blame? A spy or two is of little consequence.

geni
22nd April 2008, 05:35 PM
classified documents about nuclear weapons, fighter jets and air defense missiles to an Israeli

I suspect the odds of israel not already haveing significant infomation on all three would be minimal.

Thunder
22nd April 2008, 05:41 PM
the guy has a hebrew name..with a hebrew last name. he is a jew. why did he do it? probably to help israel. the article says he didnt get paid.

but yes, he and jon pollard were just 2 jews. the rest of the 6 million jews clearly are loyal red blooded americans who are much more loyal to the United States then to Israel. To suggest that any Jew in the USA might actually be more loyal to the State of Israel then to the United States is clearly racist.

clearly, if an american jew was more loyal to Israel then the USA, he would just move to Israel. right?

WildCat
22nd April 2008, 06:05 PM
I suspect the odds of israel not already haveing significant infomation on all three would be minimal.
Especially since they were sold F-15's after the incident.

WildCat
22nd April 2008, 06:12 PM
the guy has a hebrew name..with a hebrew last name. he is a jew. why did he do it? probably to help israel. the article says he didnt get paid.

but yes, he and jon pollard were just 2 jews. the rest of the 6 million jews clearly are loyal red blooded americans who are much more loyal to the United States then to Israel. To suggest that any Jew in the USA might actually be more loyal to the State of Israel then to the United States is clearly racist.

clearly, if an american jew was more loyal to Israel then the USA, he would just move to Israel. right?
What the hell are you on about?

mrbaracuda
22nd April 2008, 06:56 PM
What the hell are you on about?

He might be talking to me. Or himself. I'd say the latter.

Thunder
22nd April 2008, 07:00 PM
"What the hell are you on about?"

is this English?

Darth Rotor
22nd April 2008, 07:42 PM
This Jew has no intention of spying on the USA, for Israel or anybody else, and frankly I resent, reject, and am royally pissed off by any insinuation to the contrary.
I believe you. I am in your corner on this.

The assertion of collective guilt is a load of bollocks.

DR

Darth Rotor
22nd April 2008, 07:43 PM
Surely Israel is the party to blame? A spy or two is of little consequence.
Please research the name Walker, spy, and American warrant officer.

We didn't shoot the Russians over one of our own selling them secrets. We expect them to try and get them, we expect our people not to sell them.

Is that so hard for you to understand?

DR

Darth Rotor
22nd April 2008, 07:45 PM
"What the hell are you on about?"

is this English?
Yes, it is indeed English, as spoken by English, and far more coherent than anything you have posted in this thread so far.

You have the opportunity to reverse that trend.

The choice, Parky, is yours.

DR

madurobob
22nd April 2008, 08:43 PM
the guy has a hebrew name..with a hebrew last name. he is a jew. why did he do it? probably to help israel. the article says he didnt get paid.

but yes, he and jon pollard were just 2 jews. the rest of the 6 million jews clearly are loyal red blooded americans who are much more loyal to the United States then to Israel. To suggest that any Jew in the USA might actually be more loyal to the State of Israel then to the United States is clearly racist.

I'm curious parky, what is your working definition of "jew"? Is it religion? Is it ethnicity? Is it nationality? Can a jewish family's descendants ever escape the moniker? How (change their name?)? Can someone become a jew by choice?

I'm sincerely curious how you see this situation. In part because of two acquaintances of mine. One is an atheist of ethnic jewish heritage and the other is a southern baptist - my pastor many years ago. Curiously, the baptist is far more supportive of Israel than the atheist "jew". This seems to run counter to your way of thinking.

I've checked out several threads you've started here. Among them:
How many Jews died on 9-11 (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=112029)
Are Judaism and Christianity... Opposites? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=109390)
Are Jews for Jesus stil....Jews (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=107378)
"The Jewish Holocaust was good for America" (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=111716)
Do the Jews fulfill their obligation as the Chosen? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=111809)

You've got a real thing for Jews, don't you? Whats behind that?

Mycroft
22nd April 2008, 10:46 PM
the guy has a hebrew name..with a hebrew last name. he is a jew. why did he do it? probably to help israel. the article says he didnt get paid.

but yes, he and jon pollard were just 2 jews. the rest of the 6 million jews clearly are loyal red blooded americans who are much more loyal to the United States then to Israel. To suggest that any Jew in the USA might actually be more loyal to the State of Israel then to the United States is clearly racist.

clearly, if an american jew was more loyal to Israel then the USA, he would just move to Israel. right?

I think we can pretty much take it for granted that out of the millions of Jews that live in the United States as US citizens that you can find some that are more loyal to Israel than to the United States. At the same time, I'm sure you could find some that are more loyal to Canada than to the US. Or Uganda, or France, or whatever.

Heck, if you looked, and you probably wouldn't even have to look hard, you could find some Jews who were more loyal to Yassir Arafat than they are to either the United States or Israel.

Why? Because each and every one of those millions of Jews who are US citizens are each individuals who are motivated by all the same things individual people are. You cross the line into racism not because you suggest that one Jew was more loyal to Israel than to the US, but because you suggest his guilt be shared collectively by all Jews.

a_unique_person
22nd April 2008, 11:11 PM
Please research the name Walker, spy, and American warrant officer.

We didn't shoot the Russians over one of our own selling them secrets. We expect them to try and get them, we expect our people not to sell them.

Is that so hard for you to understand?

DR

You didn't because you couldn't. He was only selling secrets because there was a buyer.

Mycroft
22nd April 2008, 11:42 PM
You didn't because you couldn't. He was only selling secrets because there was a buyer.

Wow, you're always there to bring the conversation around to what's really important.

Is there no end to how bad Israel is?

MaGZ
23rd April 2008, 02:28 AM
America has no secrets it can protect from Israel. The nationís intelligence services are totally compromised. This situation is infinitely worse compared to what the Soviets did in targeting America.

I have always suspected CIA Director James Woolsey of being a mole for Israel.

gtc
23rd April 2008, 04:02 AM
America has no secrets it can protect from Israel. The nationís intelligence services are totally compromised. This situation is infinitely worse compared to what the Soviets did in targeting America.

I have always suspected CIA Director James Woolsey of being a mole for Israel.

Do you have any evidence for any of your claims?

NoZed Avenger
23rd April 2008, 05:27 AM
I have always suspected CIA Director James Woolsey of being a mole for Israel.

It would be easier and quicker to make a list of people whom you do *not* suspect of being a mole for Israel. . . . If there are indeed any such people.

Bikewer
23rd April 2008, 06:16 AM
I don't have any real problem with the fellow deciding to steal secrets out of some sense of loyalty to either Judaism or Israel. Those are the sorts of people that spymasters recruit.

Of more interest to me is the brief statement I heard on CNN from some member of the justice department. (paraphrasing) " We consider these activities to be a very serious offense, even if the recipient of the secrets is a friendly nation like Israel."

Hardly the first time our "friend" has been caught spying on us....

Darth Rotor
23rd April 2008, 06:17 AM
You didn't because you couldn't. He was only selling secrets because there was a buyer.
The "only" is spurious. The game this gent was playing has rules, and one of them is that when you get caught at it, you get hammered.

As to couldn't, that is incorrect. Could very well have, and vice versa from the Russian side, but the risks of so doing doubtless outweighed any perceived benefit.

DR

Darth Rotor
23rd April 2008, 06:19 AM
America has no secrets it can protect from Israel. The nationís intelligence services are totally compromised. This situation is infinitely worse compared to what the Soviets did in targeting America.

I have always suspected CIA Director James Woolsey of being a mole for Israel.
He's not been the director for over a decade. I am aware that he has been associated with PNAC.

What actions of his, what evidence, do you have to support your feeling that he was an Israeli mole? Was John Deutsch also an Israeli mole?

DR

Puppycow
23rd April 2008, 08:07 AM
Hand over your Jew Gold Kyle! (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155015/?searchterm=jew%20gold)

Mycroft
23rd April 2008, 09:00 AM
Hardly the first time our "friend" has been caught spying on us....

Except if you read the article, it's really just another part of the same event. The handler that recruited this guy is the same handler that recruited Pollard, and the spying this guy is accused of is in the same time period.

Presumably if the handlers job was to recruit people, then he recruited as many people as he could.

geggy
23rd April 2008, 09:17 AM
his best defense in court would be "i'm a jew" and maybe that will convince the jurors to let him off the hook. what do you think?

Fox News covers israeli spy ring in the US, yet was never aired:

http://100777.com/usa/israeli_spyring

madurobob
23rd April 2008, 09:19 AM
Except if you read the article, it's really just another part of the same event. The handler that recruited this guy is the same handler that recruited Pollard, and the spying this guy is accused of is in the same time period.

Presumably if the handlers job was to recruit people, then he recruited as many people as he could.

Yup, and the Pollard investigators always believed the network was broader than just Pollard. No doubt it was their ongoing investigation that unearthed this one, and I'm sure they are still digging for others.

marksman
23rd April 2008, 12:36 PM
Friends spy on friends.

America spies on France (http://www-tech.mit.edu/V115/N6/spy.06w.html)
More than once (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/654210.stm)
And again (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/09/07/wspy07.xml)

Darth Rotor
23rd April 2008, 01:19 PM
Friends spy on friends.

America spies on France (http://www-tech.mit.edu/V115/N6/spy.06w.html)
More than once (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/654210.stm)
And again (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/09/07/wspy07.xml)
The French are our friends?

Friends don't let friends drive (to Na) Trangh. :cool:

DR

gtc
23rd April 2008, 05:38 PM
his best defense in court would be "i'm a jew" and maybe that will convince the jurors to let him off the hook. what do you think?

I think you are an ignorant anti-semite.

I think that sort of defence would go down well if there were any Jewish people on the jury, let alone any non-Jews.

Cleon
23rd April 2008, 06:13 PM
his best defense in court would be "i'm a jew" and maybe that will convince the jurors to let him off the hook. what do you think?

I think that in the entire history of the legal system, you will not find such a thing happening.

Ever.

Puppycow
23rd April 2008, 07:49 PM
Marty Peretz on 'Israel's Grotesque Spying Operation' (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2008/04/23/israel-s-grotesque-spying-operation.aspx)

[I]t is grotesque that Israel engages American Jews as spies against their own country. This is especially so in the wake of the recent malevolence emanating from Professors Mearsheimer and Walt and then from former President Carter more or less accusing Jews in America of double loyalty. Or of single and wrong loyalty. That Israel should lend a single iota of fact to this libel is so tragic almost as to be comic.

Khonshu
23rd April 2008, 08:24 PM
Yeah, the "I'm a jew" defense has a history of working - just ask Alfred Dreyfus. I think he might as well try the Chewbacca defense.

gtc
23rd April 2008, 10:54 PM
I think you are an ignorant anti-semite.

I don't think that sort of defence would go down well if there were any Jewish people on the jury, let alone any non-Jews.

I missed the 'don't' from my original reply. Bugger.

mrbaracuda
24th April 2008, 01:00 AM
I missed the 'don't' from my original reply. Bugger.

Jewian-slip! :D

MaGZ
24th April 2008, 04:28 AM
He's not been the director for over a decade. I am aware that he has been associated with PNAC.

What actions of his, what evidence, do you have to support your feeling that he was an Israeli mole? Was John Deutsch also an Israeli mole?

DR

I think Deutsch is Jewish, but I do not suspect him of being a Israeli mole. Woolsey on the other hand may be a secret Jew. I could not determine his Jewish ancestry when researching him. I know his father was one of the prosecutors of the Germans after the war. Jews were over represented as "war crime" prosecutors.

Woolsey has been one of those spreading Israeli disinformation leading up to the war with Iraq. Today his is doing the same in getting us to go to war with Iran. He gave credence to the Israeli lie that Atta met with and Iraqi agent in Prague and received a vile of anthrax. Israel claimed to have witnessed the alleged event.

a_unique_person
24th April 2008, 05:41 AM
I think Deutsch is Jewish, but I do not suspect him of being a Israeli mole. Woolsey on the other hand may be a secret Jew. I could not determine his Jewish ancestry when researching him. I know his father was one of the prosecutors of the Germans after the war. Jews were over represented as "war crime" prosecutors.

Woolsey has been one of those spreading Israeli disinformation leading up to the war with Iraq. Today his is doing the same in getting us to go to war with Iran. He gave credence to the Israeli lie that Atta met with and Iraqi agent in Prague and received a vile of anthrax. Israel claimed to have witnessed the alleged event.

Jeepers, you can't spend your whole life wondering if someone is Jewish or not. It could drive you insane.

BPSCG
24th April 2008, 09:09 AM
I think Deutsch is Jewish, but I do not suspect him of being a Israeli mole.I think Obama is Muslim, but I do not suspect him of being an Iranian mole... :boggled:
Woolsey on the other hand may be a secret Jew. And I may be the secret High Voltage Electric Messiah.

How does one become a secret Jew? Secretly go to secret shabbat services, where you secretly drink the blood of Christian babies who have been secretly ritually murdered?

I could not determine his Jewish ancestry when researching him. This might be better phrased as, "I can find no evidence that he's Jewish, or is even of Jewish ancestry."

I know his father was one of the prosecutors of the Germans after the war. Jews were over represented as "war crime" prosecutors. Assuming that last is true, do you think it might be because Jews are over-represented in the legal profession to begin with? And why the scare quotes around "war crimes"? Do you or do you not think the Nazis committed war crimes?

So your reasoning that Woolsey might be Jewish is based on the fact that his father prosecuted Nazi war criminals and a disproportionate number of Nazi war criminal prosecuters were Jewish.

[Monty]
BEDEVERE: Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
VILLAGER #1: Are there?
VILLAGER #2: Ah?
VILLAGER #1: What are they?
CROWD: Tell us! Tell us!...
BEDEVERE: Tell me, what do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2: Burn!
VILLAGER #1: Burn!
CROWD: Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE: And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1: More witches!
VILLAGER #3: Shh!
VILLAGER #2: Wood!
BEDEVERE: So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE: Good! Heh heh.
CROWD: Oh yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE: Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1: Oh, yeah.
RANDOM: Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1: No. No.
VILLAGER #2: No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
CROWD: The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR: A duck!
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE: And therefore?
VILLAGER #2: A witch!
VILLAGER #1: A witch!
[Grail]

Lord, what a stupid post.

mrbaracuda
24th April 2008, 12:50 PM
I love VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her. :D

quixotecoyote
24th April 2008, 05:20 PM
Say, did anyone hear there's an American Black running for president.

We might even have an American Jew as vp if the republicans win.

mrbaracuda
24th April 2008, 08:40 PM
We might even have an American Jew as vp if the republicans win.

Who'd that be?

quixotecoyote
24th April 2008, 09:04 PM
Who'd that be?

Its a longshot, but I've heard rumors that Lieberman might defect.

mrbaracuda
24th April 2008, 09:22 PM
This guy? (http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/lieberman.jpg)

quixotecoyote
24th April 2008, 09:30 PM
This guy? (http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/lieberman.jpg)

Yeah. I won't derail this thread, but he ran into trouble for being too friendly with Bush and he has some conservative friendly positions.

Darth Rotor
25th April 2008, 12:23 PM
Its a longshot, but I've heard rumors that Lieberman might defect.
Nope.

John McCain may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he isn't stupid.

DR

LostAngeles
25th April 2008, 12:34 PM
the guy has a hebrew name..with a hebrew last name. he is a jew. why did he do it? probably to help israel. the article says he didnt get paid.

but yes, he and jon pollard were just 2 jews. the rest of the 6 million jews clearly are loyal red blooded americans who are much more loyal to the United States then to Israel. To suggest that any Jew in the USA might actually be more loyal to the State of Israel then to the United States is clearly racist.

clearly, if an american jew was more loyal to Israel then the USA, he would just move to Israel. right?

Yes. It would be bigotry.

You've made a decision based upon a very small sample size (n=2) and used it to judge an entire population.

Who are the two Christians you use to draw conclusions about all Christians? Who are the two white people? Who are the two black people? The two Latinos? The two Asians? The two men? The two women? The two gay men? The two gay women? The two Buddhists? The two atheists? The two Muslims?

a_unique_person
25th April 2008, 06:02 PM
Please research the name Walker, spy, and American warrant officer.

We didn't shoot the Russians over one of our own selling them secrets. We expect them to try and get them, we expect our people not to sell them.

Is that so hard for you to understand?

DR

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/977085.html

Israel has been up to a few indiscretions in this area.



The new U.S.-Israel espionage affair (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/977076.html) revealed Tuesday is in fact an old story. Nothing in this fact, however, can reduce the gravity of damage it will cause Israel, nor lead to expectations that suspect Ben-Ami Kadish's punishment will be eased - if he is indeed to be convicted in a court of law.

A number of conclusions can be drawn from the case, which points to a pattern that has characterized Israel's security and intelligence establishments for many years. First, the American judicial memory is very long, and the long arm of justice there does not withdraw, even after a quarter-century or more.

Colonel (res.) Aviam Sela, who was involved in recruiting American Jonathan Pollard to spy for Israel, and Jackob Nimrodi, who was involved in Irangate, the sale of Israeli arms to Iran, with U.S. cooperation, both know this well. Since the 1980s, both have avoided the U.S. for fear of being arrested upon their arrival.

One could also conclude that Israel's claims that the Pollard affair was an exception has once again been disproved. Nevertheless, it is clear that in its wake Israel stopped its espionage activities in the U.S., including the technological espionage that had been one of the hallmarks of Israel's illegal activities on U.S. soil in the 1970s and '80s.

Kadish had a hand in this, too. During this period a number of Israelis and others were arrested and investigated on suspicion of attempting to steal U.S. secrets and to smuggle technology, equipment and information from the U.S. to Israel.

A major brouhaha erupted, for example, surrounding Milco International, the company of Arnon Milchan, now a major Hollywood film producer. Company director Richard Smyth was arrested by the F.B.I. in the mid-1980s on suspicion of smuggling into Israel, without an export license, electronic triggers called Krytrons that the U.S. claimed was for Israel's nuclear program.



It appears the two spys were not volunteers for the job, but were actively recruited by Mossad. That is, if they had not been recruited, they would never have been spies.

Vic Vega
25th April 2008, 06:16 PM
How does one become a secret Jew? Secretly go to secret shabbat services, where you secretly drink the blood of Christian babies who have been secretly ritually murdered?

Shhhhhhh!

You're not supposed to TELL the goyim about this!

:D

David Swidler
27th April 2008, 07:23 AM
You know, I go week after week, but they never have Christian blood at my synagogue. Not even for Passover.

MaGZ
27th April 2008, 09:35 AM
You know, I go week after week, but they never have Christian blood at my synagogue. Not even for Passover.

It is probably just something that happened in the past.

Jewish ritual murder
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ritual_murder

Cleon
27th April 2008, 10:22 AM
It is probably just something that happened in the past.

No, it's definitely something that never happened at all.

mrbaracuda
27th April 2008, 10:31 AM
Metapedia? What the hell is that?

Main article: List of notorious Jewish ritual murders

There have been several documented cases through history of ritual murders. Jewish controlled media and Jewish supremacists often claim they were invented to defame Jews, despite evidence.

On zee FŁhrer

Legacy

Hitler continues to be a controversial figure, hated by many. However some have referred to Hitler's legacy in neutral or favourable terms. Former Egyptian President Anwar Sadat wrote favourably of Hitler in 1953. Louis Farrakhan has referred to him as a "very great man". Bal Thackeray, leader of the right-wing Hindu Shiv Sena party in the Indian state of the Maharashtra, declared in 1995 that he was an admirer of Hitler.

In the United States, George Lincoln Rockwell revived Hitler’s movement by forming the American Nazi Party. Later other National Socialist parties began to form around the world.

In the United States however, similar to any "defeated" enemy, he is painted as a strictly evil figure, consumed with murder and hatred for Jews, and nothing else.

Woah, external links has some goodies!

External link
Video: Germany The Great Leader.
Documents of the Life and Time of Adolf Hitler on David Irving's website.
Adolf Hitler Research Society - dedicated to Hitler's concept of Christianity
Life and times of Adolf the Great

My mind, it is boggling!
Seriously MagZ, what the ****? :boggled:

LostAngeles
27th April 2008, 11:31 AM
It is probably just something that happened in the past.

Jewish ritual murder
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ritual_murder

Gosh, I think you meant to link to either this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel_against_Jews

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac

LostAngeles
27th April 2008, 11:35 AM
Metapedia? What the hell is that?
...

My mind, it is boggling!
Seriously MagZ, what the ****? :boggled:

I took a look myself. I'm with you on that one.

Cleon
27th April 2008, 11:57 AM
Metapedia? What the hell is that?

It's the newest Neo-Nazi baloney repository.

Thunder
27th April 2008, 02:05 PM
Blood...is not Kosher. Animals must be completaly drained of blood before it can be cooked. Then it must be cooked to the point of burnt toast to make sure there is no blood left.

The idea of a group of Jews putting Christian blood into their Matzos is so very very ignorant. Only a racist bigot would believe such nonsense.

a_unique_person
27th April 2008, 07:55 PM
It is probably just something that happened in the past.

Jewish ritual murder
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ritual_murder

1475? I looked and looked, but I couldn't find any references to witches being burnt at the stake. Is that part coming too?

David Swidler
28th April 2008, 03:38 AM
I really, really should have known to leave my joke to myself with a bottom-feeder such as MagZ in the vicinity. But ya gotta live, so to hell with him. In a way, I feel sorry for him and the losers he chooses as associates: they have such a fear of reality that they hide behind bogeymen and try to pretend that they'd do fine if not for the International Jew keeping them down. But the sympathy only goes so far.

(By the way, Jewish law doesn't call for complete drainage of the blood from meat - that would be well nigh impossible. But the raw meat must be washed, soaked for a while, salted for another while, washed and soaked again, and then it can be cooked; any remaining blood is considered part of the meat and not problematic)

pchams
28th April 2008, 06:13 PM
This Jew has no intention of spying on the USA, for Israel or anybody else, and frankly I resent, reject, and am royally pissed off by any insinuation to the contrary.
Chicken.
Israel needs you.
Are you, or have you ever been.......?
;)