Blair was brilliant today

[ntech]

I saw Tony Blair live early this morning New York time and his speech was brilliant. You folks in England should be proud if him. He is intelligent, articulate and has a great sense of justice. I wish he could run for president of the US after his run in the UK. His vision of what must be done to insure the survival of the civilized world is extraordinary.

Cheers Mr. Blair

[corplinx]

What shocks and angers me is the euro-elites who call Blair a yes-man or a lapdog of Bush. Blair obviously has more class than his detractors combined.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by ntech
I saw Tony Blair live early this morning New York time and his speech was brilliant. You folks in England should be proud if him. He is intelligent, articulate and has a great sense of justice. I wish he could run for president of the US after his run in the UK. His vision of what must be done to insure the survival of the civilized world is extraordinary.

Cheers Mr. Blair

Yes, Blair is brilliant. He linked the humanitarian objective to the western objective and that was very important.

JK

[Advocate]

As I recall, Blair is a Labour Party PM. Correct me if I am wrong, but for the most part Labour is to the left of either of the major US parties. If the Democrats could find someone with as much guts and as much charisma as Blair, he'd be a sure thing for President. The man has class.

[a_unique_person]

JK thinks blair is good? JK, he is to the left of the US democrats.

I heard a part of his speech. It was well written, well presented and very pursuasive.

Only problem is, it ignored a lot of points of interest.

One of his his main points appeared to be, what about the poor bastards in Iraq, what are all these peace protestors doing for them?

There are billions for people around under various forms of oppressive regimes. Why are we suddenly interested in this particular one? What is the objective of intervention for these people? What is the next country of people who are equally deserving of intervention, and the next? Are we going to get a list together and work our way up it? At what poing do we stop?

[ntech]

Not until we are all safe and all counties are not repressed.

[mbp]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
There are billions for people around under various forms of oppressive regimes. Why are we suddenly interested in this particular one? What is the objective of intervention for these people? What is the next country of people who are equally deserving of intervention, and the next? Are we going to get a list together and work our way up it? At what poing do we stop?
I think he did address this. At least indirectly. He said:

The moral case against war has a moral answer: it is the moral case for removing Saddam. It is not the reason we act. That must be according to the UN mandate on weapons of mass destruction.

But it is the reason, frankly, why if we do have to act, we should do so with a clear conscience.
So the other oppressive regimes have nothing to fear as long as they don't violate UN Security Council resolutions. Even if a moral case can be made against them.

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by mbp
So the other oppressive regimes have nothing to fear as long as they don't violate UN Security Council resolutions. Even if a moral case can be made against them.

Until I become President. Or Clinton becomes president again, for that matter. There were no UN Sec. Council resolutions against Serbia.

MattJ

[mbp]

Originally posted by aerocontrols

Until I become President. Or Clinton becomes president again, for that matter. There were no UN Sec. Council resolutions against Serbia.

All true. :)
I should have said:
"They are safe from Tony Blair, according to the speech he made today" (or yesterday over here).

And I didn't mean it as criticism. I was just pointing out that what he said didn't logically require him to go to war with every oppressive regime on the planet.

[Advocate]

Originally posted by ntech
Not until we are all safe and all counties are not repressed.

I agree with you in principle. But how safe is safe enough? And exactly what qualifies as repression? These are not easy questions. Iraq and North Korea are obviously threatening and repressive. But what about Iran? Saudi Arabia? Venezuela? Nigeria? All of these are hostile to some extent and could be classified as repressive as well, but none of them (IMHO) are as bad as Iraq or North Korea. Still, it depends on how you define "safe" and "repressed". We can never be perfectly safe and there will always be repression in the world. I suspect a lot of our political debate in the next few years is going to be about how safe is safe enough.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
JK thinks blair is good? JK, he is to the left of the US democrats.


LOL. JK has no idea who Tony Blair even is.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer


LOL. JK has no idea who Tony Blair even is.

I know who Blair is and even when a leftist like Blair does a good thing I will give him credit for it. I am not like leftists who think anyone close to center of the political spectrum is a right-wing extremist.

JK

[Reginald]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I know who Blair is and even when a leftist like Blair does a good thing I will give him credit for it. I am not like leftists who think anyone close to center of the political spectrum is a right-wing extremist.

JK

I agree you are not, you are a right-wing extremist who think anyone close to center of the political spectrum is a leftist.

[Nikk]

Originally posted by ntech
I saw Tony Blair live early this morning New York time and his speech was brilliant. You folks in England should be proud if him. He is intelligent, articulate and has a great sense of justice. I wish he could run for president of the US after his run in the UK. His vision of what must be done to insure the survival of the civilized world is extraordinary.

Cheers Mr. Blair

In fact I think that he might not relish another big job, he's starting to look rather exhausted.

On the other hand how about Cherie? Its time you had a female president, she's energetic, very smart, not unattractive and has Irish connections. She would be a natural!

OK she would probably reorganise your ABM system on Feng Shui principles but I am sure that it would work just as well! ;)

[Jon_in_london]

If you want Blair you are most welcome to him! Hes a bit like chocolate- nice at first. Addictive even? but after a while it becomes nauseating and you just wish it would stop stop! STOP! OH MY GOOD GOD MAKE HIM STOOOPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LillyThePink]

We should leave george to stew in his lack of global popularity and sort out that Mugabe git. At least then we'd be focussing on a problem that is actually part of the fricking commonwealth.

[Undesired Walrus]

Gosh, how things change.

How do Americans feel about Brown these days?

[Oliver]

Gosh, how things change.

How do American's feel about Brown these days?


Brown-nose? :confused:

[DC]

Was graebst du hier so alte Kühe aus?

[Oliver]

Was graebst du hier so alte Kühe aus?


Da müsstest du schon UW fragen, ich hab keine Ahnung wieso er das Bedürfnis hatte, ausgerechnet diesen alten Thread auszugraben. :boxedin:

[Undesired Walrus]

It's just childish Oliver.

[Oliver]

It's just childish Oliver.


Supposing that you know what we wrote in German, why was it a childish decision from your side to bump the thread? - I mean, what was your intention and the current event that led to your decision to bump it? :confused:

[Undesired Walrus]

Interest in how Americans view British PM's, realised how popular Blair was in the US, wondered how things have changed since 2003.

Interest. Why not have some context to my query?

Da müsstest du schon UW fragen, ich hab keine Ahnung wieso er das Bedürfnis hatte, ausgerechnet diesen alten Thread auszugraben

Now you know. I dug it up for context. It's childish to try and block the rest of us out by talking in German. More so when you don't realise a few of us can understand it.

[Oliver]

Interest in how Americans view British PM's, realised how popular Blair was in the US, wondered how things have changed since 2003.

Interest. Why not have some context to my query?

Now you know. I dug it up for context. It's childish to try and block the rest of us out by talking in German. More so when you don't realise a few of us can understand it.


Quite frankly, reading US/UK/ME/German-News and assuming that the name Blair isn't as familiar to Americans than it is to Germans, why should I try to guess what Americans think since he and UK-Politics isn't a big issue anyway? I have no idea what the current mood is about Brown. Maybe the Americans responding so far in this thread may be able to explain the differences in their opinion back then and now - if they did change their minds about him for some reason.

Well, I was replying to Dictator Cheney's German question since he assumed I did bump the old thread, which I didn't do. So I asked him to ask you personally about why you bumped it. I don't see why this short conversation is relevant to the topic at hand - nor why I should've translated the rather unimportant sentences in the first place.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Gosh, how things change.

How do Americans feel about Brown these days?

Who? :)

[DC]

Da müsstest du schon UW fragen, ich hab keine Ahnung wieso er das Bedürfnis hatte, ausgerechnet diesen alten Thread auszugraben. :boxedin:

ah sorry, missed his post. thought you bumbed it.

eta: mmmhh Brownies