St. Malachy's prophecies, anyone?

[Pato2747]

So, everytime a Pope dies, the "Prophecy of the Popes" always comes up as a discussion topic on the media until the new pope gets elected, then it all falls down to oblivion until the next one kicks the bucket, and the cycle repeats.

Not familiar with the Prophecy of the Popes, you say?

Well, I'll explain you easily:

There was this guy. He was named St. Malachy. So-called prophet, he predicted Irish oppretion from the British (Where he was right), and the conversion of the English back to catholicism (Where he was wrong).

So, apparently the guy made this bunch of prophecies with the description of every Pope from his era up to the end of the World. (Which would be 112). This was around the 12th century. Of course, he didn't say "Pope number 52 will be called XXX, and Pope Number 53 will be called YYY", and so on. If that would be the case, I would be converted to catholicism by now. He gave him descriptive mottos to each. For example, John Paul II had the motto "De Labori Solis" (Roughly translated by me as "The Labor of the Sun"). And so on, and so forth.


So, why do the people believe on the prophecies?


Because of his "amazing prophetic skills".

<believer>
He predicted with nearly 100% accuracy the early popes, and with a lot of accuracy the ones from our modern time.
</believer>

Now, most of people believe that the End of ze world is just ahead of us because our current pope, Benedict XVI is the pope number 111 (The number of the... pope?), if we count that one who died before he managed to get to the Pope chair, and the next one is ought to be "Petrus Romanus" (Peter the Roman, as accurate as I can get with my basic latin. Note that none of the popes ever chose "Peter II" due to respect of the poor apostle), according to his last "verse", which is supposed to be the last pope, and then, bam, Armageddon. He also predicts the destruction of Rome, etc etc.

Also, the "Basílica de San Pablo Extramuros" of Rome. They have a room filled with gigantic medallions, where people have painted a face of the Pope and the time of their reign after they died. There's only one left, and it's reserved to Benedict XVI. Tourist guides say that when Benedict XVI kicks the bucket the World will end. Oh, dear


But, what is the problem with these prophecies?


They are WAY too vague.

Consider this:

-The prophecy was apparently made on the 12th century (Between 1094 and 1148, the lifetime of Malachy, although I don't believe that he knew how to write when he was 1 year old).
-Now, the prophecies were made public around 1590 (give or take a few years), where this guy made a biography of St. Malachy, and said he "found the prophecies locked in the Roman Archives".

Remember how I told you that the prophecies were nearly flawless on the early popes?

Because, the prophecies start to get vague at around 1600, after the release of the "hidden prophecies".

JPII motto, "From the Labor of the Sun", can be considered as a post-diction, because, it could be rather because his father traveled around the Earth (Like the Sun, if we see the prophecy as "Pre-Copernicus"), or the fact that he apparently was born and died both on a solar eclipse, or this, or that, or the other thing, etc etc.

Same goes for Benedict XVI. His motto is "De gloria olivae" (Glory of the olive) which looks like a post-diction, as well. It could rather be from the Benedictine order (Benedict=Benedictine, good call, perhaps? No, as only 7 names have been used recently. Benedict XVI said that he uses his current name because he wants to follow Benedict XV's theological conservatism), as they had an olive on their coat of arms. It could also mean to have an olive in Benedict's coat of arms, or having an "olive complexion" (Latino or Black). It could also have meant that he came from an olive farm, or whatever.

Or he could have AT LEAST had the kindness to put on the prediction that John Paul I was going to live a month after his papal reign. And nope, he just said "De Medietate Lunae", which, again, my rough latin could say that it says "Of the middle of the Moon", or "In the middle of the Moon".

Last, but not least, the last prediction (Petrus Romanus, Armageddon, blah, blah, blah) wasn't on the original "release" of the prophecy. It seems that it was added after 1820, as the other "editions" of the prophecy do not show this.

I came up with this post after I heard rumors on the radio that Benedict XVI was "on a grave condition". I just noticed around the middle of writing this post that the report was not true.

So, what are your thoughts on this?

[Complexity]

I think I'll, pass, thank you.

Since I think that the use of 'saint' or its abbreviations is a sure sign of woo, and since I think that the use of 'prophecy' is a sure sign of woo, there is the potential for a perfect storm of woo when they are combined in a thread title.

Much worse, there is every indication that the OP writer actually believes this stuff.

I hope he can come up with better threads in the future.

[Pato2747]

Much worse, there is every indication that the OP writer actually believes this stuff.


How shameless of you to think that I believe on this. At the end, I wrote that it came to my mind when the pope was "dying".

Just wanted to discuss this ********* of woo with you.

Edited, breach of rule 10; do not curse in posts or mask such words in an attempt to by-pass the auto-censor.

[Complexity]

How shameless of you to think that I believe on this. At the end, I wrote that it came to my mind when the pope was "dying".

Just wanted to discuss this ********* of woo with you.Moderated content edited.


If I'm wrong, I apologize.

I gave your OP a one-second scan - I no longer give apparent woo more than that.

Can't imagine why you want to talk about this, but if you get any takers, have at it.

[Pato2747]

If I'm wrong, I apologize.

I gave your OP a one-second scan - I no longer give apparent woo more than that.

Can't imagine why you want to talk about this, but if you get any takers, have at it.

Just for general discussion about it. I bet that when Benedict XVI dies, uncountable waves of woo will come to the world, so, why don't we prepare for that?

[Complexity]

I've got better things to do.

[Madalch]

I thought it said "St. Madalch's Prophesies", actually.

[Meadmaker]

Just for general discussion about it. I bet that when Benedict XVI dies, uncountable waves of woo will come to the world, so, why don't we prepare for that?

I don't think that will happen. However, if the next Pope picks the name Peter II, then there will be one heck of a woo-storm. At least until he dies and there's another Pope after that.

Did JPII die during a solar eclipse? I'll have to look that up.

ETA: There was a solar eclipse on the day of his funeral, but not on the day he died.

[Meadmaker]

Last, but not least, the last prediction (Petrus Romanus, Armageddon, blah, blah, blah) wasn't on the original "release" of the prophecy. It seems that it was added after 1820, as the other "editions" of the prophecy do not show this.

I know there was a paragraph of explanation associated with "Peter the Roman", where the other ones just had names. Was it the paragraph that was added, or was the name itself lacking in previous editions?

If the name itself was added, then the conclusion is obvious. Benedict is the last pope.;)

[linusrichard]

If we could know that they were made back in the 12th century, I'd have to say it would be pretty hard to deny some of the predictions. But all the predictions that are spookily accurate just happen to concern pre-1590 popes, and the predictions just happen to have been made public in 1590...

I'm not worried about this.

[Pato2747]

I know there was a paragraph of explanation associated with "Peter the Roman", where the other ones just had names. Was it the paragraph that was added, or was the name itself lacking in previous editions?

If the name itself was added, then the conclusion is obvious. Benedict is the last pope.;)

The whole entry is missing on the pre-1820 editions. Not just the name.

[Meadmaker]

The whole entry is missing on the pre-1820 editions. Not just the name.
Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. So the whole "Peter the Roman" thing was a post-prophecy addition? Sounded more dramatic to make sure that all the popes were listed? Not just a list of names, but a complete, final, list of names?

A thought just occurred to me. The manuscripts of the prophecies were "discovered" in the 16th century. One of the reasons good Catholics are actually told to reject the prophecies, if I remember the story correctly, was that they didn't just contain the "real" popes, but the "anti-Popes". Were the prophecies "discovered" during or very shortly after the anti-Popes? Could it have been some pseudo-magical conspiracy to try and confer some legitimacy on the schismatic popes? I don't know the dates well enough to pass judgement on that possibility.

[DARK LORD XENU]

I must say stuff like these "prophercies" are a bunch crap designed to scare as many people to attend curch as possible just like the original omen trilogy "devil didn't want it made" conspiracy.

Also shortly after pope Benedict become the pope I read some thing similar that stated that the next pope will be a demon if not the devil himself impersinating pope John Paul 2.

[Beerina]

112

2012

ZOMFG! :eye-poppi:eek::eek::eek::yikes::scared::faint: It's all lining up!

[Edward Palamar]

So, everytime a Pope dies, the "Prophecy of the Popes" always comes up

No, it doesn't always come up.

[Ladewig]

Even if the prophecies were correct, that is not evidence of prophecy. It is possible that the College of Cardinals are very much aware of the prophecies and choose popes who fulfill the "descriptions."

[Madalch]

Actually, I remember a deeply religious fellow telling me about how there was only space for a few more popes before the end of the world, and had frequently wondered if he had been pulling my leg or if there actually was such a wall of portraits.

[Weak Kitten]

So basically from what people are saying (and I've read (http://www.skepdic.com/malachy.html)as well) these so called "prophecies" are spot on accurate for everything before the date they were supposedly found and are strangely vague for everything after that date.

Uh huh, right. My mind is not so open that it runs out my ears.

[Edward Palamar]

Even if the prophecies were correct, that is not evidence of prophecy.

You've got your signals crossed a little there. Correct prophecy, that which is truly a communication from God to man, is also evidence of prophecy. One can even call the devils' lies false prophecy. If it is locution, that is, the spoken and/or written word in any way, shape, or form, then it is prophecy.

It is possible that the College of Cardinals are very much aware of the prophecies and choose popes who fulfill the "descriptions."

That brings up an interesting point, the fact of "the mystery of iniquity" as written in prophecy and how it meets up with faith/moral infallibility. The selecting of Cardinals is not an invoking process as in the case of Matthias, the first to fill a vacant Christian office, so error is virtually invited. There is a prophecy which I have been studying which one would normally interpret to mean that Cardinal Ratzinger, when elected, was a Roman of good age.

The only way I keep my head at times (I know that might seem a bit strange to some), is knowing that I am Peter the Roman, and ultimately, I am not subject to voting by men.

[Tinyal]

Umm, say what?? What in the world do you mean when you say 'I am Peter The Roman', etc??
Either I'm missing something (not impossible by any means), or someone is a bit (fill in the blanks).

[Mudcat]

-The prophecy was apparently made on the 12th century (Between 1094 and 1148, the lifetime of Malachy, although I don't believe that he knew how to write when he was 1 year old).
-Now, the prophecies were made public around 1590 (give or take a few years), where this guy made a biography of St. Malachy, and said he "found the prophecies locked in the Roman Archives".


It is these two points I make whenever a Catholic gets on this train of thought, which is enough to make any rational person say 'Bullocks' and drop it. But religious people are not rational. If they were there would not be any rational people.

[Madalch]

You've got your signals crossed a little there. Correct prophecy, that which is truly a communication from God to man, is also evidence of prophecy.

"Correct prophesy" simply means a prophesy that comes true, regardless of its claimed or supposed source. If I make a prophesy that says, "The sun will rise in the west in the morning", that will turn out to be true. But it doesn't mean that it came to me as a message from God. it may be that I'm simply familiar with the solar system, or that I'm simply a lucky guesser.

[Mudcat]

You've got your signals crossed a little there. Correct prophecy, that which is truly a communication from God to man, is also evidence of prophecy.

There's plenty of evidence for prophecies all around the world, they're made all the time. What you want isn't evidence of the prophecies themselves but that they actually became true. Provide evidence for those and then we can talk about where they came from.

[Craig B]

On Malachy, see Wiki. Saint Malachy (Middle Irish: Máel Máedóc Ua Morgair, Modern Irish: Maelmhaedhoc Ó Morgair) (1094 – 2 November 1148) was the Archbishop of Armagh, to whom were attributed several miracles and a vision of the identity of the last 112 Popes. ... He was the first Irish saint to be canonised by a pope. Famously, he cursed the Bruce family, which later provided Scotland with a king; this put the Bruces under a cloud for over a century. See http://www.uktourist.tv/?p=79 In about 1200, back at their Scottish base, however, the waters of the River Annan washed away part of Annan Castle ... (This) is normally associated with the curse laid on it by the great Irish reformer and saint, St Malachy, who stayed at Annan in about 1140 with Robert Bruce of Annandale. This curse was laid after, at St Malachy’s request, Robert promised to pardon a thief but then hanged him instead. The curse of St Malachy was taken seriously by generations of the Bruces. Indeed, in 1272, Robert Bruce, the future King’s grandfather, on his return from the crusades, made a special visit to the Cistercian abbey at Clairvaux where St Malachy was buried. He prayed at his tomb and gave a gift of land in Annandale to pay for lights to burn forever at St Malachy’s shrine. Truly weird stuff happened in the Middle Ages!

[Aepervius]

Hey guys ! I know how to stop the world end right in its track ! Kill pope number 111 , and force a speedy election of pope 112, then kill it immediately and force a speedy election of pope number 113. Et voila ! End of the world thwarted , JC and the beast crying in eternity that earth and the universe is barred to them.

[Edward Palamar]

Umm, say what?? What in the world do you mean when you say 'I am Peter The Roman', etc??
Either I'm missing something (not impossible by any means), or someone is a bit (fill in the blanks).The St. Malachy list of names prophecy, also called "Vaticinia de Summis Pontificibus", contains direct references to 113 saints, including Christ. I am the referenced "Peter the Roman" as written in the list - plain and simple, etc.

[Edward Palamar]

"Correct prophesy" simply means a prophesy that comes true, regardless of its claimed or supposed source. If I make a prophesy that says, "The sun will rise in the west in the morning", that will turn out to be true. But it doesn't mean that it came to me as a message from God. it may be that I'm simply familiar with the solar system, or that I'm simply a lucky guesser.You currently have my nomination for 100% flakeboard here.

[Craig B]

The St. Malachy list of names prophecy, also called "Vaticinia de Summis Pontificibus", contains direct references to 113 saints, including Christ. I am the referenced "Peter the Roman" as written in the list - plain and simple, etc.

I wonder if I could ask you to contribute to the "Could the very high rate of mental illness in Europe be related to religion decline?"? That is, if you would be willing to support me in my argument that decline in religious belief is in fact not the cause of a higher incidence of mental illness.

[Edward Palamar]

There's plenty of evidence for prophecies all around the world, they're made all the time. What you want isn't evidence of the prophecies themselves but that they actually became true. Provide evidence for those and then we can talk about where they came from.It is so that prophecy is given more often, even more than for which God is given credit - hence, this is why there have been so many acts of Divine vengeance lately. When prophecy as the gift it is becomes something disdained - WATCH IT! At that point in time, it has nothing to do with whether there is evidence nor fulfillment.

The seeming expectancy linked with prophecy is not always necessary. The preaching of the Gospel is prophecy, so is teaching, knowledge, admonition, and all that is edifying, that is, it is good.

[Edward Palamar]

Famously, he cursed the Bruce family,The story about the pardoned then hanged thief reminds me of my writing to George W. Bush to pardon Timothy McVeigh, only then not only to have my plea denied, but for the curse of 9/11 to come upon America.

I don't know the Bruce story as well as my own. All I was asking is that George W. Bush and the rest of my fellow Americans not kill someone even if he had killed. The response has been of epic proportion, with seeming scandal to match.

[Edward Palamar]

Hey guys ! I know how to stop the world end right in its track . . . and force a speedy election of pope number 113The problem with your solution is that #113 is beyond our reach of election, being the first fruits of the Resurrection.

[Edward Palamar]

I wonder if I could ask you to contribute to the "Could the very high rate of mental illness in Europe be related to religion decline?"? That is, if you would be willing to support me in my argument that decline in religious belief is in fact not the cause of a higher incidence of mental illness.I saw the topic earlier but didn't reply, I pulled up an excellent response from the original post's link, I'll repost it here, as well :

Mental illnesses aren't just bouts of the blues, or stomach flutters before an exam. They're not worrying about whether your boss liked your proposal or a bit of stage fright. Mental illness is not a personality trait, a flaw, or a quirk. They consume your every waking moment. Every breath, every step, every thought is affected. It's no joking matter. This isn't about people who may be a little off beat or a little different or deviate from "the norm." This is about people who can't get to work on time because they retrace their route seven times to make sure they didn't hit someone by accident and not notice/hear it. This is about people who are so ill they cannot get out of bed to play with their children no matter how badly they want to. It's about people who live every moment of their lives trapped in a feeling of deepest despair or utmost terror. These are not people who are weak, ungrateful, unproductive or any less important than any of you snobbish commenters. Mental illnesses are also not always lifetime sentences--some develop mid life, some develop early and go away. By some estimates, as many as 1 in 2 Americans will, at some point, experience symptoms severe enough to be classified as a mental disorder or illness. Just like with any disease, the fact that it may come or go is not an indicator of severity. Even cancer goes into remission, but it's always there.

So for those of us who struggle with these diseases, please don't be so crude. We're exactly like you. We're your coworkers who joke with you in the break room, we're the parents of your kid's friends who drink coffee with you, and we're your relatives--except that we're terrified to talk about this to anyone BECAUSE of people like you. We take our medicine, we go to work, we come home to our families. We're diabetics of the brain.

***

Perhaps, the problem in your appealing to me for support against an illness/religion ratio is due to my tenet that there is only one religion, as there is only one faith, and one God. (and consequently only one illness)

Perfect love casts out fear, yet allows us to have at least a little of good fear first. I see the ratio as hinging upon this balance of good fear and all other fear.

The promises made by Christ are no less fulfilling.

[Aepervius]

The problem with your solution is that #113 is beyond our reach of election, being the first fruits of the Resurrection.

The problem with your answer is that 1) was doing a joke and 2) I am an an "asupernaturalist" (I don't believe in anything whatsoever supernatural like resurrection) so using a resurrection argument with me is quite funny.

[Craig B]

Edward Palamar

Perhaps, the problem in your appealing to me for support against an illness/religion ratio is due to my tenet that there is only one religion, as there is only one faith, and one God. (and consequently only one illness) And only one Peter the Roman?

[Madalch]

The story about the pardoned then hanged thief reminds me of my writing to George W. Bush to pardon Timothy McVeigh, only then not only to have my plea denied, but for the curse of 9/11 to come upon America.

So 9/11 was your fault, then?

[Mudcat]

Palamar, I'm trying to take you seriously here but, damn it, you're aren't making it easy for me to do:
It is so that prophecy is given more often, even more than for which God is given creditI can't find fault with this one sentence here. There are thousand of 'psychics' making thousand of 'predictions' every day, odds are that at least one of those 'predictions' will be right or at least close. The only issue I have so far is that the sentence structure makes it seem as if your post got ran over by a gibberish generator.

hence, this is why there have been so many acts of Divine vengeance lately. When prophecy as the gift it is becomes something disdained - WATCH IT!First, provide a link to an event you believe is an act of 'Divine Vengeance' and than provide the evidence that points to it being 'Divine Vengeance'. Than be prepared for pretty much everyone here pick it apart in order to show you why 'Divine Vengeance' has nothing to do with it.

At that point in time, it has nothing to do with whether there is evidence nor fulfillment.Considering that that's sorta the point of the entire thread, this statement is rendered invalid.

The rest of your post was just rhetorical nonsense and more gibberish.

[Edward Palamar]

First, provide a link to an event you believe is an act of 'Divine Vengeance'Why should I? Among those who have not been resurrected, what proclivity do you claim to which I should hold you as honorable?

[Craig B]

Folks

Edward Palamar is not a normal person like you and me; he's the prophesied Peter the Roman, and seemingly he's also been resurrected. So cut him some slack!

[Brainache]

Why should I? Among those who have not been resurrected, what proclivity do you claim to which I should hold you as honorable?

Why shouldn't you?

Do you know that the person you are talking to is not honourable?

Has that person insulted you, or have they just asked for information?

[catsmate1]

Why should I? Among those who have not been resurrected, what proclivity do you claim to which I should hold you as honorable?
So you're just spouting xian gibberish then?
:rolleyes:

[Edward Palamar]

Folks

Edward Palamar is not a normal person like you and me; he's the prophesied Peter the Roman, and seemingly he's also been resurrected. So cut him some slack!

But I am a normal person like you and/or others in this - we both exist within the living temple of God. Yet, everyone is unique, such is God's handiwork.

[Craig B]

But I am a normal person like you and/or others in this - we both exist within the living temple of God. Yet, everyone is unique, such is God's handiwork.

There's different kinds of unique. I have different fingerprints from anyone else. So unique. But I haven't been resurrected, and I'm not the prophesied Petrus Romanus.

You are, so you are super-unique!

[Edward Palamar]

Why shouldn't you?

Do you know that the person you are talking to is not honourable?

Has that person insulted you, or have they just asked for information?
I find the insistance of providing a link to be insulting as it is more of a demand than cordial conversation.

This same hostility is found in the overall treatment of forums in general and is a common error among forum users : the assumption is first made that the forum should be bad because it has something to do with Rome, which should be judged to be bad, then, ultimately, all ethics and morality can then be discarded.

Such is the mentality based in insane hatred found at these sites :

http://risen-from-the-dead.forumotio...inst-apostates

So, there's your link, with references to those I have found practicing wickedness on the internet thusfar.

The major events of September 11, 2001 ADP, too, are but a part of Catholic prophecy, the coming chastisement.

[Craig B]

The major events of September 11, 2001 ADP, too, are but a part of Catholic prophecy, the coming chastisement. Does the resurrected Petrus Romanus not mean to inform us that these events constitute part of the FULFILMENT of Catholic prophecy? We've had ten years; when will the rest of the chastisement take place, and what form will it take, if I may presume to ask?

[Edward Palamar]

Does the resurrected Petrus Romanus not mean to inform us that these events constitute part of the FULFILMENT of Catholic prophecy? We've had ten years; when will the rest of the chastisement take place, and what form will it take, if I may presume to ask?Petrus Romanus is not resurrected. Katrina was a direct chastisement against the military actions. There is as much a need for the U.S. to be at war as there is to rebuild New Orleans on land below sea level. So, there remains a chastisement that is not even being addressed. There was some talk to end the wars, but none to repair New Orleans - the work force to accomplish a better New Orleans is being mercilessly placed on front lines while Washington, D.C. continues to munch on its prime rib. I don't see the recent scare to D.C. in the form of an earthquake to be any less in the future given the re-opening of New Orleans without proven necessary precautions.

[Brainache]

Petrus Romanus is not resurrected. Katrina was a direct chastisement against the military actions. There is as much a need for the U.S. to be at war as there is to rebuild New Orleans on land below sea level. So, there remains a chastisement that is not even being addressed. There was some talk to end the wars, but none to repair New Orleans - the work force to accomplish a better New Orleans is being mercilessly placed on front lines while Washington, D.C. continues to munch on its prime rib. I don't see the recent scare to D.C. in the form of an earthquake to be any less in the future given the re-opening of New Orleans without proven necessary precautions.

Why would medieval Catholics be making prophecies about the USA?

You do realise that the US is not the entire world, don't you?

[Brainache]

I find the insistance of providing a link to be insulting as it is more of a demand than cordial conversation.

Fine, I suppose. If you don't want anyone to take you seriously, then continue to not provide any evidence for your assertions.

If, on the other hand you do want to be taken seriously, then it is up to you to provide evidence for the things you assert are true.


This same hostility is found in the overall treatment of forums in general and is a common error among forum users : the assumption is first made that the forum should be bad because it has something to do with Rome, which should be judged to be bad, then, ultimately, all ethics and morality can then be discarded.

What the hell is this supposed to mean?


Such is the mentality based in insane hatred found at these sites :

http://risen-from-the-dead.forumotio...inst-apostates

So, there's your link, with references to those I have found practicing wickedness on the internet thusfar.

The major events of September 11, 2001 ADP, too, are but a part of Catholic prophecy, the coming chastisement.

What do you propose to do about it?

[Piscivore]

"Eternal Greetings"? Does Jesus have alzheimers, or something?

...

"Greetings! I am Christ, returned!"

"Oh! Well, I certainly didn't expect that, welcome I guess, I'm Piscivore."

"Hi Piscivore, have you accepted me into your heart?"

"Well, no, see- I thought you were a story, at best a dead Jewish street preacher, and my heart is an organ for pumping blood, so, there's some difficulties with that proposition..."

"Greetings! I am Christ, returned!"

"Yes, you said. Was there something you wanted?"

"Love me, my son."

"Yeaaah. I'm married, and I don't swing that way."

"Greetings! I am Christ, returned!"

"Look, we've done that bit, if you've got nothing better to do..."

"Greetings! I am Christ, returned!"

"We don't want any."

"Greetings! I am Christ, returned!"

"No habla Inglse!"

"Greetings! I am Christ, returned!"

"..."

"Greetings! I am Christ, returned!"

"Honey, get the hammer and a box of nails from the garage!"

[Edward Palamar]

Why would medieval Catholics be making prophecies about the USA?

The text "twin towers of porphyry" occurs in Centuries from the 16th century. The question is not "why would", but "why did". The Paraclete speaks what He hears.

You do realise that the US is not the entire world, don't you?

Yes.

[Mudcat]

The text "twin towers of porphyry" occurs in Centuries from the 16th century. The question is not "why would", but "why did". The Paraclete speaks what He hears.
As useless as the Nostradamus Codex.

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb",
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb'

'The third big war will begin when the big city is burning'

- Nostradamus 1654

...on the 11 day of the 9 month that... two metal birds would crash into two tall statues... in the new city... and the world will end soon after"

"From the book of Nostradamus"
In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb'

'The third big war will begin when the big city is burning'

- Nostradamus 1654

...on the 11 day of the 9 month that... two metal birds would crash into two tall statues... in the new city... and the world will end soon after"

"From the book of Nostradamus"
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees latitude,
Fire approaches the great new city
Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
When they want to have verification from the Normans.
Nostradamus' prediction on WW3:

"In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."

"In the city of york there will be a great collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb
third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

- NOSTRADAMUS