Moon Occult Venus: The Astrology of the Waco Fire

[Martin Timothy]

On Sunday February 28, 1993 at around 9:30 am, agents from the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms with arrest and search warrants went to the Branch Davidian ranch at Mount Carmel near Waco Texas, a gun battle ensued that left six Davidians and four agents dead…

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&cid=kakfile4GR6MM-u1209433292&nhor=4&go.x=14&go.y=9 , Astro.com.

…the subsequent standoff was broken on April 19, when the FBI sent tanks which fired incendiary shells into the compound, seventy-six died.

On April 19th 1993 the Moon was going to occult Venus…

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=kakfile4GR6MM-u1209433292&nhor=3 , Astro.com.

…from the perspective at Waco the Moon would move in front of Venus for about an hour, from a little before 12:08 on the East Coast, 11:08 am local time. We construct a horoscope for 16:08 UT the commencement of the occultation on 19 April 1993, from information in The Rosicrucian Ephemeris 1900 – 2000 0h TDT (Midnight).

The time lines quoted are from CNN, Washington time Monday April 19 1993. 12:07 pm. pbs/timeline.

12:07:41, infrared video indicates first fire on second floor, east front, infrared video indicates first fire on second floor, east front a heat signature is observed in the southeast corner tower window, second floor. alamo-girl.com.

12:07:42, fire is now visible from the window of the second story tower.

The first thing we see on the astrological chart, is that the conjunction that is about to produce the occultation is underway in the tenth house of public affairs, and way out in the open activities, in Aries a fire sign, where Venus is tolerated only.

Considered too limp wrested and lacking in machismo by traditional Martial tenants here, see David Koresh pleading for a fair hearing, similarly at the same time the victim of machismo attacks, where the would be machos sensing victory against one who urges constraint, see J preaching to the masses re tolerance and forbearance then witness him nailed hand and foot.

The fact that a chart erected for the same place Feb 28, shows Neptune signaling forethought and treachery, and Uranus meaning suddenness and the right of surprise, in a similarly close conjunction in the same tenth house when the drama commenced, witness the ATF at the doorway disturbing a traditional Christian household at 9:30 am on Sunday morning.

Then ascertain as the ATF found out, that placement gives the traditional Arian dignities of steadfastness and courage when dealing with an attacker despite what planet it might be, explaining the ATF casualties on the first day.

12:08:11 large fire already developed on dining room wall.

By now the occultation is proceeding, and the fiery Moon seen as the tanks who will conquer Venus and have their way, the undamaged portion of Mount Carmel is represented by the part of Venus yet visible at the limb of the Moon.

12:08:18, fire detected first floor dining room.

12:09:31, fire appears in the front windows of the southeast tower.

12:11, fire is rapidly engulfing entire building.

Now nothing is left as the inferno destroys the building which has become a pyre for the dead. Venus has disappeared behind the Moon, nothing can be done except watch the building burn.

12:12, fire in gymnasium.

12:25, four story tower collapses. News videos show tank smashing into front of building as it burns, Chief negotiator Byron Sage has a trophy photograph taken of himself with the burning Mount Carmel in the background. Huge fire ball explodes near concrete room.

Identify this figure as the Mars figure in Cancer in the first house, Mars in Cancer in the first house is strong for being angular, though less so for being in that sign, it is however in mutual reception with the Moon, and disposits it and the rest of the active stellium in Aries in the tenth house, as well as the Sun in Aries in the ninth house.

Says someone who is a wimp by nature, Mars in Cancer, gets to be in charge… study the Pluto figure lurking in the fifth house in Scorpio, and deduce that this figure could be exerting a Svengali like influence on the rest of the chart, see the Uranus Neptune conjunction in Capricorn then see Saturn strong in Aquarius observing, indicating another force privy to events.

The Mercury placement in Aries is the tent city of news hounds camped at the entrance to Mount Carmel who refused Koresh’s plea that they put his side of the story, then see them as deposited by Mars, and simply amused spectators since there are no planets in either Gemini or Virgo that might give them some oomph.

The Jupiter opposition is the powerless public.

12:41, fire fighting efforts begin.

12: 53, the occultation is over, the feeling of suspension of reality is gone, the Sheriffs Department, and the Fire Department, and the news hounds get it done, whatever it is that they do, the conjunction has progressed into the ninth house of aloofness from the trials of the day.

An astrologer would study the charts of both events, he or she would observe coincidences, thus some events happening astrologically in fire signs will have a similar resonance on Earth where fire will be an issue. Venus in Aries is seen as an easy victory and gets picked on, that the aggressors get suited up does not alter the fact. Study similar charts for similar coincidences, whether they involve planets, or houses or signs or aspects… maybe there is something in it after all.

[Ersby]

All you've done is demonstrated that astrology can tell us what already happened, but only if you already know what happened. Not much use.

Astrology and science:

http://www.rudolfhsmit.nl/hpage.htm

[arthwollipot]

I call this the Nostradamus Effect. A prophecy or "prediction" can only be recognised as referring to a specific event after that event has occurred. Show me a prediction that clearly states what event will occur and when, and I'll start to believe that there's something to it.

[The Atheist]

I call this the Nostradamus Effect. A prophecy or "prediction" can only be recognised as referring to a specific event after that event has occurred. Show me a prediction that clearly states what event will occur and when, and I'll start to believe that there's something to it.

Oh, bra - bloody - vo!

:bigclap

Yeah; you want to impress people with a prediction, tell us before the event.

Like to know what last year's Melbourne Cup winner wioll haven been?

[wollery]

Astrology now?

To add to your obvious lack of knowledge of astronomy (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=111188) and particle physics (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=112132) you're now bringing us grade A woo.

Congratulations. :clap:

[Hokulele]

Astrology now?

To add to your obvious lack of knowledge of astronomy (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=111188) and particle physics (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=112132) you're now bringing us grade A woo.

Congratulations. :clap:


Considering his first thread was over in the CT forum, this could be considered an improvement.

[slyjoe]

Considering his first thread was over in the CT forum, this could be considered an improvement.

And he's managed to bring it from the CT forum to the thread on Syvlia Browne and 9/11. Where the ratio of true to false is remarkably low.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3659603#post3659603

:jaw-dropp

[chillzero]

Let's see if we can have a discussion on topic to the OP, please?

[Locknar]

An astrologer would study the charts of both events, he or she would observe coincidences, thus some events happening astrologically in fire signs will have a similar resonance on Earth where fire will be an issue. Venus in Aries is seen as an easy victory and gets picked on, that the aggressors get suited up does not alter the fact. Study similar charts for similar coincidences, whether they involve planets, or houses or signs or aspects… maybe there is something in it after all.I’d argue, to have any meaningful value or impact, astrology/astrologers would have to be predictive (ie accurately predict future events) vs simply explaining past events.

Since astrology’s recorded beginnings in the 3rd millennium BC, the predictive aspect has yet to be demonstrated or otherwise proven by any astrologer.

[Denver]

On Sunday February 28, 1993 at around 9:30 am, agents from the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms with arrest and search warrants went to the Branch Davidian ranch at Mount Carmel near Waco Texas, a gun battle ensued that left six Davidians and four agents dead…

An astrologer would study the charts of both events, he or she would observe coincidences, thus some events happening astrologically in fire signs will have a similar resonance on Earth where fire will be an issue. Venus in Aries is seen as an easy victory and gets picked on, that the aggressors get suited up does not alter the fact. Study similar charts for similar coincidences, whether they involve planets, or houses or signs or aspects… maybe there is something in it after all.

When were these charts developed? I would think if the charts and the above interpretation were published before 2/28/93, then as you said, "maybe there is something in it after all". If they were published after, then I think you'd have to admit that it is much easier to match the charts to an event once you know what that event looks like.

So any chance you could post a chart for something major in the next few weeks or months, along with an interpretation as specific as the one you did for 2/28/93?

[Martin Timothy]

February 28, 1993 agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms with warrants went to the Branch Davidian ranch at Mount Carmel near Waco Texas, a gun battle ensued leaving six Davidians and four agents dead.

April 19, the FBI sent tanks which fired incendiary shells seventy-six died, that day the Moon would occult Venus, seen from Waco it would move in front of the planet for about an hour, from a little before 12:08 on the East Coast, 11:08 am local time.

Erecting a horoscope: The occultation had commenced high in the tenth house, eleven degrees and fifty seven arc minutes from the highest point called the MC by astrologers, from where it would culminate and cross over into the ninth house forty seven minutes and forty eight seconds later, by which time the buildings at Mount Carmel would be smoking ash and all the people who had been in them would be dead.

The Feb 28 chart, shows Neptune signaling forethought and treachery, and Uranus meaning suddenness and the right of surprise in a similarly close conjunction in the same tenth house when the drama commenced.

That both planets are in the sign Capricorn brings the planet Saturn into the equation, under the system of houses and signs, some signs and houses are declared right for different planets, due to the inherent nature of both, Saturn rules Capricorn and is very comfortable and well found in Aquarius, it is ambitious and for there to be two planets in its sign gives it a great deal of power, particularly while those planets are in the tenth house.

After the fire there was a squabble between Janet Reno and Bill Clinton, she had claimed the kudos for Waco, he put her right telling every one the decisions were all his, to go ahead and say that they are represented by the Neptune Uranus conjunction might be over simplifying it, because then the Saturn figure remains unidentified.

On the occultation chart we identified Byron Sage as the Mars in Cancer figure in the first house, he had been chief negotiator on behalf of the Government, thru the system of rulerships discussed above, Mars although not at its best in Cancer is strong for being in the first house the natural house of Aries the first sign ruled by Mars, see that the sign on the cusp of the eleventh house, and the sign Taurus intercepted in the eleventh house ruled by Venus in Aries, similarly disposited by Mars, while the sign on the twelfth house Gemini is ruled by Mercury similarly in Aries and similarly disposited by Mars, the Sun and the Moon both in Aries, gives Mars power over the entire rising quadrant, which the tenth, eleventh and twelfth house group is called.

That is not the end of the matter, see the Saturn group with it, and Uranus and Neptune representing a different power bloc entirely, see it on the one hand as representing the ATF, while the Mars group is the FBI, for the fact that the MC has the sign Pisces on its cusp in no way reinforces the Martian sway over that house, sure it controls the forces arrayed there, like tanks and armed people, but it does not have final jurisdiction over the ground, because via the system of house rulerships and dispositors, the natural ruler of a house will assume the role of the tenant planet from afar.

Saturn actually has claims by dispositing Neptune the natural ruler of Pisces the sign on the cusp, and by its being the natural ruler of the tenth house corresponding to Capricorn the tenth sign, here too Jupiter is co ruler with Neptune of the sign Pisces, see the legal rights of the Davidians relegated to nothing.

Jupiter is powerless in Libra with Virgo on the cusp while Venus and Mercury, the planetary rulers of both those signs are disposited by Mars in the tenth house Aries group, despite its legal status, the Moon the natural ruler of the sign Cancer and the fourth house is similarly tied in with Mars via the fact of mutual reception, thus the Moon is in Aries ruled by Mars, Mars is in Cancer ruled by the Moon, does not leave Jupiter with much at all which is what David Koresh and his family and friends were left with.

Do not at any time under estimate the power of Saturn, the Martian impetus that got the whole show on the road was all on the terms of that planet, that means the tanks, the FBI, the ATF the lot, because all Mars’s dignities are accidental while it is in Cancer, as soon as it moves away from the first house it is back to the farm because it has very little essential dignity in Cancer, not so Saturn in Aquarius with two long term reliable dispositors in Capricorn.

Pluto is the dark horse, the black Shogun if you will, in the sign Scorpio it is at the zenith of its power and will disposit any planet in the chart via even the most flimsy connections, and tenuous relationships, identify these characters in your charts, then explore their strengths and weaknesses and see what deals are done and where proxies appear, and under whose tutelage their deeds are done, that is what astrology does… it is communication from the stars.

[Locknar]

When were these charts developed?
I took a look; the charts he is providing are created "on the fly" when you click the link (time stamp is on the bottom right of the chart).

Nothing predictive about it; just "woo woo" claptrap.

February 28, 1993 agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms with warrants went to the Branch Davidian ranch at Mount Carmel near Waco Texas, a gun battle ensued leaving six Davidians and four agents dead.

<snip>What is your point; that astrology can be used to explain events that have happened? Seems rather useless. Come back when you can show us something were astrology is being used in a predictive manner....

[Hokulele]

What makes this truly amusing is the fact that the Waco/astrology nuts don't seem to agree on pretty much anything.

Link to more whacky Waco woo (http://www.horos3000.net/en.php?id=4048).

[Martin Timothy]

Contrast the darker Neptune Pisces, Uranus Aquarius, Saturn Capricorn, outer planet bloc, with the fiery Mars Aries dominated inner planet group.

See Koresh as Venus up front defending beaten by the tanks, the same way Venus’s light was blocked by the Moon, and as a householder Jupiter is powerless in the fourth, meaning he is at home and all his rights are dispersed among the various house rulers, and deal doers from either camp who put their heads together, and thought up a scheme to destroy him.

Cancer is on the cusp means the hour belonged to the tanks, in the chart the Moon crashed its course upward and across space to block Venus light, then on the Earth below in the shadow of the reflected light of that planet, so did the tanks crash, and crush and burn, and extinguish the light of Mount Carmel, David Koresh and the Branch of David.

Personify these planets and give them identities that respond to the characters on the day, no less here than at any other time and in any other event chart.

Here there is an occultation underway in space while there is a highly controversial quasi policing operation, that resembles it in every way, proceeding on the ground directly below which had already cost at least ten lives before that day, survivors who were present on 28 February when the first shots were fired, said there was a very brief knock at the door and before anyone could go and see who it was, the ATF had broken the door down and had entered shooting.

Fire had been returned in the hallway of the house resulting in the deaths of ATF agents, two more were shot on the roof, others were wounded, David Koresh wanted to go to court in a normal way and explain what happened, how it happened and who did what, but at no time since the first attack had that right been afforded him.

That is seen as Mars having all the bases loaded, the house, sign and traditional ruler all in the thrall of Mars, for Jupiter representing Mount Carmel and all its occupants, there are no planets in either Pisces or particularly Sagittarius Jupiter’s signs, which could if they were there act for him, so without any support the Mount Carmel community is abandoned.

The Texas flag flew high over Mount Carmel, the ground where the fire took place was under the jurisdiction of Texas law, see the Saturn group with Saturn strong in Aquarius in mutual reception with Uranus, since Uranus rules that sign, as Texas State and Charter.

By dispositing Neptune in Capricorn Saturn controls Pisces, which is the sign on the cusp of the tenth, makes Mount Carmel Texas ground, Saturn as Texas law remained aloof in the ninth house until well after the drama had culminated, when the Moon Venus alignment went into the ninth house.

So Mars and the Aries group means the Feds, Saturn and the Capricorn group means Texans, Venus is David K, and Jupiter is Mount Carmel… Astrologers are faced with the challenge of identifying the Pluto in Scorpio figure in the fifth house, neither of the parties so far described fits the profile, so who??

[arthwollipot]

Martin, what are you doing? What are you trying to demonstrate or establish?

[The Atheist]

Martin, what are you doing? What are you trying to demonstrate or establish?

World record for the most words per post in a thread?

Most ridiculous post-hoc connection to a psychic/astrological prediction?

[arthwollipot]

World record for the most words per post in a thread?

Most ridiculous post-hoc connection to a psychic/astrological prediction?Let Martin answer the question, please.

[FramerDave]

Contrast the darker Neptune Pisces, Uranus Aquarius, Saturn Capricorn, outer planet bloc, with the fiery Mars Aries dominated inner planet group.

See Koresh as Venus up front defending beaten by the tanks, the same way Venus’s light was blocked by the Moon, and as a householder Jupiter is powerless in the fourth, meaning he is at home and all his rights are dispersed among the various house rulers, and deal doers from either camp who put their heads together, and thought up a scheme to destroy him.

Cancer is on the cusp means the hour belonged to the tanks, in the chart the Moon crashed its course upward and across space to block Venus light, then on the Earth below in the shadow of the reflected light of that planet, so did the tanks crash, and crush and burn, and extinguish the light of Mount Carmel, David Koresh and the Branch of David.

Personify these planets and give them identities that respond to the characters on the day, no less here than at any other time and in any other event chart.

Here there is an occultation underway in space while there is a highly controversial quasi policing operation, that resembles it in every way, proceeding on the ground directly below which had already cost at least ten lives before that day, survivors who were present on 28 February when the first shots were fired, said there was a very brief knock at the door and before anyone could go and see who it was, the ATF had broken the door down and had entered shooting.

Fire had been returned in the hallway of the house resulting in the deaths of ATF agents, two more were shot on the roof, others were wounded, David Koresh wanted to go to court in a normal way and explain what happened, how it happened and who did what, but at no time since the first attack had that right been afforded him.

That is seen as Mars having all the bases loaded, the house, sign and traditional ruler all in the thrall of Mars, for Jupiter representing Mount Carmel and all its occupants, there are no planets in either Pisces or particularly Sagittarius Jupiter’s signs, which could if they were there act for him, so without any support the Mount Carmel community is abandoned.

The Texas flag flew high over Mount Carmel, the ground where the fire took place was under the jurisdiction of Texas law, see the Saturn group with Saturn strong in Aquarius in mutual reception with Uranus, since Uranus rules that sign, as Texas State and Charter.

By dispositing Neptune in Capricorn Saturn controls Pisces, which is the sign on the cusp of the tenth, makes Mount Carmel Texas ground, Saturn as Texas law remained aloof in the ninth house until well after the drama had culminated, when the Moon Venus alignment went into the ninth house.

So Mars and the Aries group means the Feds, Saturn and the Capricorn group means Texans, Venus is David K, and Jupiter is Mount Carmel… Astrologers are faced with the challenge of identifying the Pluto in Scorpio figure in the fifth house, neither of the parties so far described fits the profile, so who??

I swear this sounds like a transcript of a basestar hybrid. Seriously, just read it to yourself in her voice.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/BattlestarGalactica_--_3x06_-_Torn.jpg

Do not hotlink images.

[Martin Timothy]

So Mars and the Aries group means the Feds, Saturn and the Capricorn group means Texans, Venus should be seen as Mount Carmel, the fourth house is the home, and since Venus is the planetry ruler of Libra, Jupiter in Libra in the fourth house when the occultation got underway, is David Koresh at home at Mount Carmel when the tanks rolled up.

Mercury is the press contingent camped outside Mount Carmel since 28 February, here the inherent treachery of the press demonstrates the changeable nature of the planet Mercury in astrology, it was always up to them what went out as news, and the official story was that Koresh must surrender and face felony charges, no deals no nuthin’. Yet the truth was never gonna get told if it was going to be like that, which is why Koresh refused to surrender.

He was a native Texas citizen asserting his right to return fire from armed intruders who had fired first without ever trying to identify themselves, he had pleaded for a fair hearing, and for the reporters to make the public aware of what had happened.

The press corps gave him to understand they were there to witness the government take out armed felons, see Texe Marrs at the front of a group of about twenty chant in unison, “…we are the press,” in response to his plea, the lot of them had joined in the fun, Mercury in Aries on the terms of Mars is like that.

The fact that Virgo is on the cusp of the fourth house, ruled by Mercury in the Aries group could mean that just as Mercury went over to Mars, see the press contingent abandoning any semblance of legitimate news gathering and information dissemination in favor of watching the show, so did the lawful safeguards a citizen has, which he most often takes for granted get spurned.

Posse Comitatus whereby the US Military was forbidden to be deployed on the mainland against US citizens, was thrown out the window, this Mercury placement could be an indicator of that.

[Locknar]

Let Martin answer the question, please.Apparently Martin is not in a "question answering" mood, as he continues to just pontificate.

[The Atheist]

Apparently Martin is not in a "question answering" mood, as he continues to just pontificate.

I'll take a QED on that.

[zenotter]

I'd be impressed if he drew up a chart for the November election in the United States and predicted the winner of that. I'd be even more impressed if he accurately predicts the Democratic candidate based on the chart of the Democratic National Convention.

I did charts for 15+ years. Trust me.

- Virgo Sun, Libra Moon, Cappy rising, Scorpio MC, with a whole lotta strength in her 8th house

[I Ratant]

Had you asked any astrologer prior to 1781 about Uranus , he'd have referred you to a proctologist.

[Locknar]

Martin - Can you at least tell us where you are copying all that from? A book...a site?

[Martin Timothy]

Now go to the February 28 chart of the original home invasion, see the Neptune Uranus conjunction has just fallen off the angle, or passed over into the ninth house, where things are so different.

The assault was beaten off, no longer did the conjunction have enough momentum, all the lead ups and the preparations were done while the system was rising thru the twelfth and eleventh house up until past the dawn of day, the attack began too late and they lost six men killed.

Maybe the Mars in Cancer, Jupiter in Libra square from the third house to the sixth, provided a bit of ballast in the gut of the Mount Carmelites, here Mars is an ally, the invasion plan was a Saturn event carried out by its stooges, the Neptune Uranus in Capricorn conjunction on the MC, the momentum of the hour in this chart lies with Venus in Aries, since it is ruler of the Taurus ascendant.

It is a very brave placement, because it is in Aries look to the condition of Mars and see it in Cancer in the third, thus look to the Moon and see it angular, thence strong in Taurus in the first, Jupiter in Libra in the sixth, disposited by Venus in the twelfth, adds spice to the pie, so with four planets in each others houses, plus T square and opposition aspects, we call that a complex.

A planet in another planet’s sign strengthens the traditional owner wherever it may be, there is a trade off in the Venus / Jupiter thing here, because Jupiter is joint, with Neptune, traditional owner of the twelfth house corresponding to Pisces the twelfth sign in the astrological zodiac, while Venus is similarly well found in Pisces and rules Libra.

The Venus Jupiter axis effectively splits the players into two groups, those on or below the Venus Jupiter line are the good guys, like the wives and kids, the ones above it, more visible because the stars that they represent, and that represent them are above the horizon, are the bad guys.

The first round of the battle went to David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, the survivors on both sides would regroup while Koresh called for moderation, truth and a fair hearing, the bad guys went away and got tanks.

[sts60]

Your opinions of "good guys" and "bad guys" aside, Martin, do you not realize that none of this makes any sense? The "Venus Jupiter axis"? What exactly does that mean? Exactly what physical significance has the apparent position of a planet against an arbitrarily-defined boundary of a visual grouping of unrelated stars? And exactly which definition of the constellations, which have been changing positions with respect to the equinoxes, have anyway? Why exactly do planets of wildly disparate distances, sizes, and compositions all have comparable influences, completely at odds with everything known about the physical world? Why do you mention Pluto but not Titan, which is larger? Why not the larger asteroids? Why not other large Kuiper Belt objects?

In other words, why exactly should we consider your posts to be anything other than pseudoscientific gibberish?

[Gravy]

Pluto is the dark horse, the black Shogun if you will, in the sign Scorpio it is at the zenith of its power and will disposit any planet in the chart via even the most flimsy connections, and tenuous relationships, identify these characters in your charts, then explore their strengths and weaknesses and see what deals are done and where proxies appear, and under whose tutelage their deeds are done, that is what astrology does… it is communication from the stars.Just our luck: the stars had a universe of languages with which to communicate, and they chose Gibberish.

[Gravy]

Maybe the Mars in Cancer, Jupiter in Libra square from the third house to the sixth, provided a bit of ballast in the gut of the Mount Carmelites, here Mars is an ally, the invasion plan was a Saturn event carried out by its stooges, the Neptune Uranus in Capricorn conjunction on the MC, the momentum of the hour in this chart lies with Venus in Aries, since it is ruler of the Taurus ascendant.Check the label: you'll find that it's one tablet every eight hours, not eight tablets every hour.

[Martin Timothy]

sts60 says: What does The Venus Jupiter axis mean?

The Horoscope is a planetary map that shows the planets as they would appear were the sky to rotate around the Earth, the horizontal line on the chart defining the cusp of the first and the seventh houses, represents the geographical horizon, were you standing at Waco looking South, Venus would be just under twenty two degrees above the Eastern horizon to your left.

The Sun would be similarly half way between the Eastern Horizon and the highest point in the sky, from where it will culminate in astrological terms and pass into the ninth house where it begins its downward journey, like a Texas cowboy toward sunset on the Western horizon, to the right, charted by astrologers as the cusp of the seventh house.

In this case as Venus is in Aries and Jupiter is in Libra a little over four and a half degrees from opposition, the VJ line nearly bisects the chart.

sts60: What physical significance has the apparent position of a planet, against an arbitrarily defined boundary of a visual grouping of unrelated stars.

The only thing to put it down to is intelligent communication from outer space.

sts60: The constellations have been changing positions with respect to the equinoxes.

Precession is well known to astrology, the Equinoctial Zodiac, and the Astrological Zodiac are currently separated by some twenty six degrees.

sts60: Why mention Pluto but not Titan.

Pluto is now known to be a multiple system with at least five members, Titan is part of the Saturn system, if you can detect a Titanic influence observed from studying an ephemeris of that object’s apparitions and dispositions, my advice would be to publish your findings.

sts60: Why not the asteroids …why not Kuiper Belt objects.

There were thirty two thousand asteroids at last count, that is how many reasons there are to leave them off of astro charts, they cause clutter, Kuiper belt objects as for them.

sts60: Should we consider your posts to be anything other than pseudoscientific gibberish.

Sure, why not.

[arthwollipot]

Wow. A response!

Do you think you could answer my question too?

Martin, what are you doing? What are you trying to demonstrate or establish?

[Hokulele]

Pluto is now known to be a multiple system with at least five members


What?

Titan is part of the Saturn system, if you can detect a Titanic influence observed from studying an ephemeris of that object’s apparitions and dispositions, my advice would be to publish your findings.


I can detect a Titanic influence easily using an ephemeris. Much like your OP, it is called making stuff up to fit the observations.

If you can cast a chart for the US presidential elections and accurately predict the results on a state by state basis, I will accept that you are not making stuff up.

[arthwollipot]

Pluto is now known to be a multiple system with at least five membersWhat?I'm going to repeat that.

What??

[Gravy]

What physical significance has the apparent position of a planet, against an arbitrarily defined boundary of a visual grouping of unrelated stars.

The only thing to put it down to is intelligent communication from outer space.No, the rational explanation is that people who lacked basic understanding of the cosmos invented this arbitrary system. If you disagree, present your case as to why your explanation is correct.

[Tricky]

Gosh, of all the post hoc data-fitting jobs I've seen, this one has to be about the most "post". I mean, he's had fifteen years to work on this horoscope. It had damn well better be right.

[Ladewig]

…the subsequent standoff was broken on April 19, when the FBI sent tanks which fired incendiary shells into the compound,

Is that claim well supported?

[slyjoe]

Is that claim well supported?

Since MT doesn't seem to like to respond, I will.

It is not. An ATF/FBI guy threw 3 tear gas canisters something like 75 feet away from the compound. I was going to point this out to MT earlier, but then he started throwing even crazier stuff in so I thought I would sit this out.

[Tirdun]

I'm going to repeat that.
What??

The "WHAT?!?" motion has been recognized by the chair and seconded by arthwollipot. Discussion may now begin on the claim that

"Pluto is now known to be a multiple system with at least five members"

or retracted as poppycock. Martin?

[Locknar]

Pluto is now known to be a multiple system with at least five members <snip>Well...if you consider Mickey, Minnie, Goofy and Donald as the other 4, in terms of "core" Disney characters, then yep...you are right.

If you are talking astronomy, or say reality wise, umm....I'm gonna have with "what in blazes are you talking about?"

[sts60]

In post 29 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3665825&postcount=29), Martin Timothy wrote:

sts60 says: What does The Venus Jupiter axis mean?

The Horoscope is a planetary map that shows the planets as they would appear were the sky to rotate around the Earth,

Which it does not. Why should we pay any attention to a practice which has as a core tenet that the Universe revolves around the Earth?

the horizontal line on the chart defining the cusp of the first and the seventh houses,

Which are arbitrarily defined. Why exactly should we ascribe any physical significance to them?

represents the geographical horizon, were you standing at Waco looking South, Venus would be just under twenty two degrees above the Eastern horizon to your left.

The Sun would be similarly half way between the Eastern Horizon and the highest point in the sky, from where it will culminate in astrological terms and pass into the ninth house where it begins its downward journey, like a Texas cowboy toward sunset on the Western horizon, to the right, charted by astrologers as the cusp of the seventh house.

Why exactly is any of this significant? What physical meaning does any of this geoecentric observation have?

In this case as Venus is in Aries and Jupiter is in Libra a little over four and a half degrees from opposition, the VJ line nearly bisects the chart.

Why exactly should an imaginary line between two planets of wildly dissimilar sizes, compositions, distances have any significance? Why is it significant here but not any of the 27 other similar lines drawn between what used to be known as the other eight planets? If the other lines are significant, have you accounted for all of them?

sts60: What physical significance has the apparent position of a planet, against an arbitrarily defined boundary of a visual grouping of unrelated stars.

The only thing to put it down to is intelligent communication from outer space.

The apparent positions of the planets are simply the result of viewing their physical arrangement from Earth. Your claim, then, is that our solar system was built by aliens. That, to put it gently, is an extraordinary claim. I suppose you have extraordinary evidence for it?

sts60: The constellations have been changing positions with respect to the equinoxes.

Precession is well known to astrology, the Equinoctial Zodiac, and the Astrological Zodiac are currently separated by some twenty six degrees.

Many if not most horoscopes are cast using obsolete values. But, in any case, the entire system of astrology is unsupported by evidence and completely at odds with physical reality.

sts60: Why mention Pluto but not Titan.

Pluto is now known to be a multiple system with at least five members,

Try four (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/planets/plutopage.html). And Nix and Hydra are insignificant compared to Pluto and Charon.

Titan is part of the Saturn system,

I have a degree in space physics and years as an amateur astronomer and telescope operator. I am well aware that Titan is part the Saturn system. I am also well aware that Titan (along with our Moon, Io, Europa, Ganymede, Callisto, and Triton) is larger than Pluto.

I ask again: why exactly do you include a planet which is smaller than seven other bodies in our solar system, but not include those bodies?

Also, why did astrology incorporate Pluto as an object with influence roughly equal to that of the other "classical" planets? Given the absence of such an influential planet from astrology prior to its discovery, can we not deduce that astrological predictions made before that were seriously deficient?

If it is so significant, why did astrologers not predict its presence before its discovery, since they should have noticed problems with their predictions? Since they did not, why exactly should we not conclude that astrology indeed has no predictive power?

And, since Pluto has been demoted from true planetary status to just another Kuiper belt object, why has astrology not removed it from its pantheon of influential bodies?

if you can detect a Titanic influence observed from studying an ephemeris of that object’s apparitions and dispositions, my advice would be to publish your findings.

How exactly would one detect such an influence? What controls would you use in such an experiment?

sts60: Why not the asteroids …why not Kuiper Belt objects.

There were thirty two thousand asteroids at last count, that is how many reasons there are to leave them off of astro charts, they cause clutter, Kuiper belt objects as for them.

In other words, they are left off because astrology did not know of their existence while the practice was evolving. Clearly, though, since the size, composition, and distance of bodies have no effect in astrology - contrary to all of observed physics - each and every one of these bodies should have significant influence. But, in direct contradiction of its own internal logic, astrology ascribes no meaning to them. (Of course, even if it tried, it couldn't - the number of possible arrangements of even the 8 classical other planets and their moons would be hopelessly large for practical purposes.)

Why exactly should we pay any attention to a system which is so blatantly self-contradictory?

sts60: Should we consider your posts to be anything other than pseudoscientific gibberish.

Sure, why not.

You seriously misrepresented my question. I asked, "...why exactly should we consider your posts to be anything other than pseudoscientific gibberish?"

The answer is: there is no reason to do so. In fact, your claims on here are equally as unsupported and meaningless as Dutch's "Hyperdimensional Design" - it's all pseudoscientific gibberish.

[Hokulele]

Martin, which celestial body has the most influence on an astrological chart? Why?

[grayman]

Pluto is now known to be a multiple system with at least five members...

...and his pants fit like a glove.

[The Atheist]

Martin, which celestial body has the most influence on an astrological chart? Why?

I'll let Martin answer that, but every time I've spoken to an astrologer, I've thought, "Hey, this stuff's coming from Uranus!"

[Hokulele]

I'll let Martin answer that, but every time I've spoken to an astrologer, I've thought, "Hey, this stuff's coming from Uranus!"


When dealing with stuff from Uranus, watch out for the Klingons. :cool:

[Martin Timothy]

Take another look at the fourth house situ, Jupiter is in Libra with Virgo on the cusp, locating Venus the planetary ruler of Libra as the home buildings, Koresh and the other occupants is Jupiter in Libra, thus when the Moon occulted Venus, the tanks rolled over the house, now Mercury the planetary ruler of Virgo the sign on the cusp must be considered.

The Mercury figure in the tenth house in Aries, is treacherous journalism on the one hand, however like the multi function capabilities of computer keys, each planet does more than one thing in astrology.

See the Mercury in Aries in the tenth house figure as George Roden, whose parents had been part of a breakaway group called The Branch Davidian Seventh Day Adventists, who had established the home and church on the property ten miles south of Waco, he had coveted David Koresh nee Vernon Howell’s elevation to the leadership of the group, which he thought should have gone to him.

He had earlier been indicted for murder and had been deemed unfit to be the leader of a religious congregation, he did however appear to possess some legal right to claim ownership of the property. the2branches.org

The inherent smugness of that placement is the press corps setting up a chant in response to Koresh’s plea that they publish his cause, evokes images of George Roden’s perceived reaction in his prison cell, on hearing the news on the day of the fire.

[zenotter]

I call troll.

[arthwollipot]

He certainly has no interest whatsoever in answering any of the many questions put to him.

Martin Timothy, get a blog.

[Martin Timothy]

Moon occult Mars 13:50 hrs UT May 10 2008… Tehran Iran, @ UT + 3 hr 30 minutes: 17:20 Iran time 10 May 2008.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_03_moon_occult_mars_hp.12873.8919.g if&res=63&va=&cid=j15file2xWiSw-u1209697984

Mars is the planet of War… means that any force relying on a blocking move to nullify an opponent’s armed might, could choose a time when the astrological significators are seen as favorable, like during an occultation

As seen from Tehran from the commencement of the phenomenon, the occultation has just fallen off the angle, meaning that by the time it got under way, the impetus to attack under its auspices will have been lost.

Not so one eighty degrees across the globe where the Sun is in the first house and rising, and the occultation is at the IC or Nadir, the cusp of the fourth house whence planetary bodies have sunk to the lowest place, from whence they will continue to rise for the next twelve hours.

Using the longitude of Tehran as a start point, one eighty degrees of longitude puts us at 128.34 West, however we see that the MC for the commencement in Tehran is almost five degrees to the east of the occultation, so take another five degrees of longitude away, observe San Francisco at 122:24 West, and conclude the entire West coast of the United States will be under the duress of the occultation from before dawn 10 May 2008.

That is not to say that any where else is immune from the ill effects, thus go West from Tehran five degrees of longitude, then thirty degrees more to find places where the occultation will start in the tenth house, all astrological phenomena is enhanced and thus so much more powerful if it takes places on the angles of the chart, which are the first, fourth, seventh and tenth houses.

To get a handle on the whole thing read the news, or better still be aware of just which phenomenon is about to occur, thus an amateur astronomer should be aware of the appearance of comets, and the timing of eclipses, when they happen, take note of the political or natural events that accompany them... and then go on from there.

[arthwollipot]

Goodness me, an actual prediction!

Well, kind of. It doesn't actually say what's going to happen at 13:50 hrs UT May 10 2008.

Care to answer any of the questions posed in the thread yet, Martin?

[chillzero]

Martin,
The suggestion to get a blog might be a good one to follow, rather than risking moderator attention for spamming the forum without any intent to discuss.

[Babylon Sister]

Anyone care to translate Martin's last post into something comprehensible? I know the words are English, but I don't recognize the pattern.

[Hokulele]

Anyone care to translate Martin's last post into something comprehensible? I know the words are English, but I don't recognize the pattern.


I'll give it a try.

Moon occult Mars 13:50 hrs UT May 10 2008… Tehran Iran, @ UT + 3 hr 30 minutes: 17:20 Iran time 10 May 2008.


I know how to use an ephemeris.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_03_moon_occult_mars_hp.12873.8919.g if&res=63&va=&cid=j15file2xWiSw-u1209697984


Whoops, no I don't, I simply cut-and-paste.

Mars is the planet of War… means that any force relying on a blocking move to nullify an opponent’s armed might, could choose a time when the astrological significators are seen as favorable, like during an occultation


If I mix Roman mythology with Sun Tzu's Art of War with a pinch of Jeane Dixon, it sounds all mystical and cool-like.

As seen from Tehran from the commencement of the phenomenon, the occultation has just fallen off the angle, meaning that by the time it got under way, the impetus to attack under its auspices will have been lost.


Tehran is in a different time zone from other parts of the planet, and attacking Iran is as easy as falling off of a log. This doesn't mean it is a good idea.

Not so one eighty degrees across the globe where the Sun is in the first house and rising, and the occultation is at the IC or Nadir, the cusp of the fourth house whence planetary bodies have sunk to the lowest place, from whence they will continue to rise for the next twelve hours.


The Sun rises in the east.

Using the longitude of Tehran as a start point, one eighty degrees of longitude puts us at 128.34 West, however we see that the MC for the commencement in Tehran is almost five degrees to the east of the occultation, so take another five degrees of longitude away, observe San Francisco at 122:24 West, and conclude the entire West coast of the United States will be under the duress of the occultation from before dawn 10 May 2008.


When playing Mornington Crescent using the standard Western International Rule set from 1983, all moves initiated in the Western United States should be played out before dawn.

Either that, or there will be a pre-dawn earthquake in San Francisco on 10 May, 2008.

Your choice.

That is not to say that any where else is immune from the ill effects, thus go West from Tehran five degrees of longitude, then thirty degrees more to find places where the occultation will start in the tenth house, all astrological phenomena is enhanced and thus so much more powerful if it takes places on the angles of the chart, which are the first, fourth, seventh and tenth houses.


Standard astrological waffling included to ensure that anything happening on 10 May, 2008, or any 5 days on either side, count as a hit.

To get a handle on the whole thing read the news, or better still be aware of just which phenomenon is about to occur, thus an amateur astronomer should be aware of the appearance of comets, and the timing of eclipses, when they happen, take note of the political or natural events that accompany them... and then go on from there.


Please help me find events on 10 May, 2008 that I can include as hits for my prediction. Or subscribe to Sky & Telescope magazine. Your choice.

[theMark]

I'll let Martin answer that, but every time I've spoken to an astrologer, I've thought, "Hey, this stuff's coming from Uranus!"

I can just imagine this to be a good T-shirt slogan:
Picture the planets, and in front, in big white letters:
"Astrology:
It's from
Uranus!"

Apart from that, i second the notion of "What?!" mentioned above...

[The Atheist]

Goodness me, an actual prediction!

Well, kind of. It doesn't actually say what's going to happen at 13:50 hrs UT May 10 2008.

Care to answer any of the questions posed in the thread yet, Martin?

I'll have another go here:

Somewhere on the planet, something will happen at approximately GMT 1350 on 10/5/08.

When it does, the prophecy will have been fulfilled.

I can just imagine this to be a good T-shirt slogan:
Picture the planets, and in front, in big white letters:
"Astrology:
It's from
Uranus!"

Great idea!

[Diagoras]

If Pluto counts, why not the huge number of asteroids between Mars and Jupiter? Why not the other Kuiper Belt objects? Why not man-made satellites? Why not extrasolar planets? You know, you are allowed to use more than one brain cell when contemplating astrology.

[I Ratant]

Boosting the number, wouldn't that be "double-thinking"?

[Ladewig]

Can we revisit the no-kittens rule? I really think the higher-ups made the wrong call here.

[Martin Timothy]

Take another look at the data for the Occultation of Mars 10 May 2008, we do that because if we want to observe an astrological event, we first must find out what to expect.

http://de.geocities.com/the_astronomical_pocket_diary/20080510--Mars-SE-Asia.gif , geocities.com.

The phenomenon will commence at 13:50 hrs Universal Time, visible from forty five degrees Longitude west of Greenwich, and forty five degrees North latitude in the mid Atlantic ocean, cutting a swathe to minus twenty two degrees Longitude, and fifteen degrees North latitude about five hundred miles from the West coast of Africa.

It will cross land in Mauritania a couple of minutes after the start, then will proceed across the Western Sahara, curving just North of Aswan, across the Red Sea then Arabia and out to sea again, crossing the Yemeni coast and into the Indian Ocean proceeding North of Suqutra Island, twenty three minutes after first graze, the occultation will completely shade Mars light for around eighteen minutes only, from a line about fifty miles out to sea off the coast of Yemen drawn North North East, grazing the coast of Oman and crossing into land on the far West coast of Pakistan, to just South West of Lake Balkash in Central Asia.

The Northern boundary of the visible part of the phenomenon will follow a path that curves upward just North of Ireland, across the Irish Sea and touches land on the British Isles just North of the Scottish border, across the North Sea and Denmark then over the Baltic then down to the place West of the lake. The path of totality will go due South East for about fifteen hundred miles, then as Mars emerges from behind the Moon, the line proceeds across Asia, crossing into the Pacific in the Gulf of Tonkin then going South of Hainan Island.

Thus the area covered by the full shadow comprises almost all of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

From the Mount Carmel experience with the Branch Davidians, the total annihilation of the Davidians coincided with the total blocking of the light of Venus in similar circumstances, nor was it the work of a single day, the strife had started on February 28, the culminating event was not until 19 April.

Just as in the Waco experience the situ revolved around the Venus sign Libra and the fourth house, here too should a prudent astrologer consider the houses Mars rules, Saturn is always considered when we are talking an up front, out in public drama of the type portended here, and in the Mount Carmel experience, since the tenth house is exactly under the planetary activity, and Saturn is the natural ruler of the tenth.

We have mentally adjusted the example chart, to place the occultation in the tenth house putting it at a location some distance West, Aries on the cusp of the seventh, means Mars is planetary ruler of the seventh house of open enemies and partners, expect trouble from both quarters, Mars too is ruler of the Scorpio ascendant, since Pluto left that sign which empowers it significantly, recall Venus in the Mount Carmel chart was in a bad house for it, and was besieged by hostile elements, not so Mars in this case.

It might not be unexpected if a traditional seventh house enemy gained unexpected strength, or it could mean something different, Mars in Leo goes for show, maybe some showy Martial protagonist could get his come uppance, brought down that is.

There has been no shortage of strife in any of the places in Africa, nor Eurasia, nor the Pakistan Afghanistan axis, that are touched by the path of the occultation, it goes further South and East and encompasses India and Sri Lanka, part of China across South Asia then most of Borneo and Indonesia.

Look for dramatic events on the ground that day under the path of the total occultation, for the fact that it occurs in Leo, a sign ruled by the Sun, this time in Taurus conjunct Venus in Taurus… Taurus is bankers and the banking industry, take that into consideration.

Mercury is at home in Gemini, the Uranus Neptune conjunction of 1993 has widened to about twenty five degrees of separation, Pluto has recently ingressed into Capricorn where it will be less independent than it was in Scorpio, because now in Saturn’s house it will have to take its role into consideration, Jupiter is similarly on Saturn’s terms in Capricorn, Saturn itself is in Virgo, a traditionally austere place for that planet to be.

Check all this stuff when you wish to observe astrology in action.

[Martin Timothy]

Observe San Francisco at 122:24 West, and conclude the entire West coast of the United States will be under the duress of the occultation from before dawn 10 May 2008.

Deduct another thirty degrees off that to account for the time the occultation will be in the relevant fourth house, and see a line from Oklahoma City to Reno Nevada could come under attack, or yet count that as a submarine launched rocket attack across the Rockies from the Pacific Ocean.

Another Saturn interpretation, is that as natural ruler of the tenth house and while undergoing a period of austerity in Virgo, it might be happy to witness a showy good times, big spender, Mars in Leo type get a little therapeutic counseling, the Venus event showed it can get a little gory.

These events occur to every one, however not all of the time are the cameras there as witness, in benign circumstances they cause benign events, in Waco the circumstances were anything but benign, like in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The banking situ must be matched with Saturn Virgo, the celestial event is in Leo ruled by the Sun conjunct Venus in Taurus ...that is very stable banking that is unlikely to go broke, picture it responding the Saturn in Virgo austerity, and bringing the big spender Mars in Leo apparatus down, during a time when the Moon blocks the light of Mars.

For this reason I would expect the effect to be most obvious in the banking sector, rather than being a military adventure.

The financial sector benefited when Pluto was in Jupiters sign Sagittarius, now since both are in Capricorn thus responsive to Saturn in Virgo, the downturn in the prime rate that burst the unsecured housing loan bubble, could be traced to these movements.

[Hokulele]

So, you are predicting a sub-based missile attack on Reno, Nevada, 10 May, 2008, sometime before dawn. Got it.

[Foolmewunz]

Thank you, MT.

Now if you'll just tell us what you consider an 'event', we can all wait on a hilltop for it to happen. Are you saying, in your comparisons to Waco, that the entire area is going to be the subject of one great huge snuff flick? Let's be specific.... Are you talking death and destruction on the scale of Waco? In numbers alone, that'd be your average working day in Pakiganistan, so you have to pro-rate to have the same sort of "impact". A hundred thousand dead? Zeus coming down on a chariot of fire drawn by two giant sea turtle? Beelzebub rising from the seas?

I'm anxious to hear specifics. (I'm guessing Antique Hunter is, too! He's in Kabul.... should we help him pack and get out in the next seven days.)

(Alternate theory: Pakistan and Afghanistan are normally such serene and peaceful places that surely any violence in either one would be a huge anomaly and prove your scientific application of astrology. Thus, you'll be able to claim any news article in any publication from any location on earth is "proof".)

7 Days, 6 hours and counting down. I'll revisit often.

[Martin Timothy]

Expect the effect to be most obvious in the banking sector, rather than in military adventurism.

Uranus in Pisces in the fifth, would be the place whence a submarine missile attack would emanate, yet it is an inherently unwarlike placement so give that option a low probability factor.

However we would have egg on our faces if there were rockets and a Marine invasion, as per the Moon departing the Water sign Cancer, and we failed to predict it, yet the true Mars war instinct is manifested thru the sign Aries, here there are no planets in Aries or the corresponding first house signaling warlike dispositors.

The Moon has in fact left its domicile in Cancer ingressing into Leo, where upon it immediately became embroiled in Martial affairs, someone rushing out of his house to fit out a boisterous merry making Martialist, could fit the bill in certain domestic circumstances, while there are no planets in Aries or Scorpio Mars in Leo is often reduced to striving for appearance.

Then recall that Mars does well in the tenth house as in Capricorn, here the raw Mars in Leo figure can convey an image of masculinity that women young and old find irresistible, the Moon is often described as feminine, the Lunar ingress could be a woman figure exhibiting a mania type reaction, elicited by her hormonal response to the male figure, and rushing thence, the dark part could mean that what transpires next is better concealed from view, even as the Moon conceals the sight of Mars.

Maybe a guy steppin’ out some place, suitably attired because Mars in Leo is like that, could meet with enthusiastic reception from the chicks under the auspices of this occultation, Venus in Taurus with the Sun is not only banking ...it signifies abundance in amour as well, love that is.

[Ladewig]

Maybe a guy steppin’ out some place, suitably attired because Mars in Leo is like that, could meet with enthusiastic reception from the chicks under the auspices of this occultation, Venus in Taurus with the Sun is not only banking ...it signifies abundance in amour as well, love that is.

Congratulations, Martin Timothy. You have made a "prediction" as obscure as any of Nostradamus's works.

I know you are impervious to logic and rational discussion, so I'll just throw these criticisms out for the lurkers. If astrology could make predictions as accurately as M.T. supposes, then it would be an incredibly powerful tool that would easily earn fame and riches for its practitioners. Yet, we see no evidence of its usefulness. The idea that gravity from the planets is part of the mechanism is absurd. The people in the delivery room exert more gravitational force on an infant than Mars or Jupiter do. Furthermore, astrology would have us believe that the thin layer of flesh surrounding the baby before it is born somehow shields it from these "powerful" influences - it is only when the baby is exposed to the atmosphere that gravity aligns molecules in the baby's head which will influence the child's personality.

Astrology is nonsense from top to bottom - from center to circumference.

[arthwollipot]

I can just imagine this to be a good T-shirt slogan:
Picture the planets, and in front, in big white letters:
"Astrology:
It's from
Uranus!"That is absolutely a T-shirt that I would pay for and wear in public. Although I think there could be some better words. Something like "I got my horoscope from Uranus" or something.

I'm actually rather enjoying this thread now that everyone's realised that Martin Timothy will never answer any questions, even if Saturn crosses the ecliptic.

Here's my prediction: The sextile between Mars and Jupiter suggests that cowardice and an unwillingness to answer questions will have a profound affect on someone amusing, and while the planet Mercury moves into the sixth house and the Moon crosses the cusp between Aries and my ass, Martin Timothy will vanish just after the specified time and never again post in this thread, because nothing significant happened and he won't want to face that fact.

[arthwollipot]

And I'm sorry for this, but I just have to...

"Your Horoscope For Today" - Weird Al Yankovic

Aquarius
There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus
Fill that void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-A-Mole seventeen hours a day

Pisces
Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus
You are the true Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say

Aries
The look on your face will be priceless when you find that forty pound watermelon in your colon
Trade toothbrushes with an albino dwarf, then give a hickey to Meryl Streep

Taurus
You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it?
The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff, and then go back to sleep

That's your horoscope for today (that's your horoscope for today)
That's your horoscope for today
That's your horoscope for today (that's your horoscope for today)
That's your horoscope for today

Gemini
Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence
Your love life will run into trouble when your fiance hurls a javelin through your chest

Cancer
The position of Jupiter says you should spend the rest of the week face down in the mud
Try not to shove a roll of duct tape up your nose while taking your driver's test

Leo
Now is not a good time to photocopy your butt and staple it to your boss's face, oh no
Eat a bucket of tuna-flavored pudding, then wash it down with a gallon of strawberry Quik

Virgo
All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent - except for you
Expect a big surprise today when you wind up with your head impaled upon a stick

That's your horoscope for today (that's your horoscope for today)
That's your horoscope for today
That's your horoscope for today (that's your horoscope for today)
That's your horoscope for today

Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely
that the relative position of the planets and the stars could have
a special deep significance or meaning that exclusively applies to only you,
but let me give you my assurance that these forecasts and predictions
are all based on solid, scientific, documented evidence, so you would have
to be some kind of moron not to realize that every single one of them is absolutely true.

Where was I?

Libra
A big promotion is just around the corner for someone much more talented that you
Laughter is the very best medicine, remember that when your appendix bursts next week

Scorpio
Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming from an open window
Work a little harder on improving your low self-esteem, you stupid freak

Sagittarius
All your friends are laughing behind your back (kill them)
Take down all those naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine you've got hanging in your den

Capricorn
The stars say that you're an exciting and wonderful person, but you know they're lying
If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows and never never never never never leave my house again

That's your horoscope for today (that's your horoscope for today)
That's your horoscope for today
That's your horoscope for today (that's your horoscope for today)
That's your horoscope for today

That's your horoscope for today (that's your horoscope for today)
That's your horoscope for today
That's your horoscope for today (yay yay yay yay yay)
That's your horoscope for today

[I Ratant]

Weird Al..
He nailed we Scorpios!
There is so much to learn from astrology.
I'm laying in a BIG supply of TP for use when reading up on astrology in the smallest room in my house, where the two functions will coexist in universal peace and contentment.

[arthwollipot]

Weird Al..
He nailed we Scorpios!Not as well he nailed we Sagittarii. And I'm not talking about Ernest Borgnine!

[I Ratant]

So, you are predicting a sub-based missile attack on Reno, Nevada, 10 May, 2008, sometime before dawn. Got it.
.
No, no, no...
It's -FROM- Reno NV. The powers-that- be- are just a bit behind getting the submarines to the Truckee River, but have faith.

[Elizabeth I]

...and his pants fit like a glove.

No, no, no! Pluto doesn't wear pants. He is the dog-that-acts-like-a-dog, as opposed to Goofy, the dog-that-acts-like-a-person (and does wear pants.)

That is absolutely a T-shirt that I would pay for and wear in public. Although I think there could be some better words. Something like "I got my horoscope from Uranus" or something.

You might want to retool that slogan a little - it could sound like you committed assault. :p

[I Ratant]

"• There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man. - Winston Churchill"
.
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." G. Marx

[Foster Zygote]

Maybe he has a point. What are the odds that something bad would be happening to someone somewhere on Earth at any given moment?

[Nancarrow]

Guys, by all means have fun feeding the astrology-bot, but please don't chuck out a string of posts saying 'the pluto system, what the blazes are you talking about, heh heh'. Er... Nix and Hydra? Hello? Anybody remember that?

Okay so those plus Pluto and Charon makes four, not five, but hey, it's accurate for engineering purposes. :boxedin: When there is so much wrong with the idea of spewing astrological forecasts for fifteen year old events anyway, it doesn't do you any favours to respond with posts that seem ignorant of a basic piece of recent astronomical news.

ETA: well I was only referring to posts 31, 32, 37 and 38, and now I can see sts60 already brought up the nix/hydra thing.

[Martin Timothy]

Hokulele says: A pre-dawn earthquake in San Francisco on 10 May, 2008.

Sure why not, key dispositors are in Earth signs, the cusp of the fourth where the action happens seen from Frisco's perspective, represents the depths of the Earth as much as anything else, thus profound astrological activity in the Earth deep below San Fran could very easily precipitate a tectonic response.

Mars prediction charts must always lead to speculation of the imminence of war in this case no less than in any other, Uranus in Pisces is submarines, since Pisces is the sea and Uranus is mechanical artifacts, and we know that the continental United States is too far removed from the path of the occultation, to experience any tenth house phenomena.

Not so US naval units at large in the Indian Ocean, nor adjacent to the coast of Oman, nor in the waters off the coast of Yemen between the coast and Suqutra Island, where the path of totality will commence, ideal places for submarines to be lurking that are stalking the US battle fleets that are steaming into the Persian Gulf on warlike missions on behalf of the US war on Terror.

Similarly picture a gambler a done up to the nines, a Mars in Leo type, in Atlantic City he walked the walk and talked the talk, then comes the hard bit the Lunar transit and Saturn on the terms of Virgo.

Picture Abe Vigoda who played Detective Fish in the TV Show Barney Miller, as the Casino proprietor for Saturn in Virgo, despite his best intentions the gambler loses, maybe a gamblin’ man might say the Moon joining the gambling fray, could mean a weight of riches coming his way.

Having lost, his fancy man clothes are out of place, mercifully his humiliation is shielded by the Moon while the active part in the Zodiac goes over into the ninth house, where it becomes part of the background to his life as the transit finishes and the occultation is over, the glances and looks he got from the babes at the Casino are another matter.

[Foolmewunz]

6 Days, 23 hours, 52 minutes, and counting down.

What happened to Pakighanistan? I thought this was going to be in the sub-continent region. Now we're wiping out San Francisco? Now, I'm confused. (And everything was so lucid, before.)

[Hokulele]

Guys, by all means have fun feeding the astrology-bot, but please don't chuck out a string of posts saying 'the pluto system, what the blazes are you talking about, heh heh'. Er... Nix and Hydra? Hello? Anybody remember that?

Okay so those plus Pluto and Charon makes four, not five, but hey, it's accurate for engineering purposes. :boxedin: When there is so much wrong with the idea of spewing astrological forecasts for fifteen year old events anyway, it doesn't do you any favours to respond with posts that seem ignorant of a basic piece of recent astronomical news.

ETA: well I was only referring to posts 31, 32, 37 and 38, and now I can see sts60 already brought up the nix/hydra thing.


Honestly, I knew about Nix and Hydra, but I wanted to hear MT's opinion without giving away the game.

ETA: And 4 may be close enough for government work, but it won't fly astronomically speaking.

The main reason I am so hard on astrologers is that I did study astrophysics and the history of science (astronomy) way back when, and to see someone pervert the field annoys me no end.

Hokulele says: A pre-dawn earthquake in San Francisco on 10 May, 2008.

Sure why not, key dispositors are in Earth signs, the cusp of the fourth where the action happens seen from Frisco's perspective, represents the depths of the Earth as much as anything else, thus profound astrological activity in the Earth deep below San Fran could very easily precipitate a tectonic response.


No, no, that is my prediction pulled out of my ass. Not yours. You already had your chance to make stuff up. If there is no banking crisis, if there is no rocket attack on Reno, and if you do not get lucky in love on 10 May 2008, but, there happens to be an earthquake in SF, I win. Not you.

[Martin Timothy]

Mars in Leo can convey an image of masculinity that women find irresistible, the Lunar ingress could be a woman figure exhibiting a mania type reaction, elicited by her hormonal response to the male figure, the dark part could mean that what transpires next is better concealed from view.

Elizabeth I says: You might want to retool that slogan a little.

Sure thing Baby, you all wanna get all up front about it feast yer eyes on the real thing.

Do not in any way, sexually harass other forum members.

[Hokulele]

.
No, no, no...
It's -FROM- Reno NV. The powers-that- be- are just a bit behind getting the submarines to the Truckee River, but have faith.


Sorry I missed this earlier, but if anyone messes with the trout fishing on the Truckee, well, let's just say that Pluto may be a far enough place to run and hide. :cool:

[The Atheist]

Maybe he has a point. What are the odds that something bad would be happening to someone somewhere on Earth at any given moment?

Well, apparently 19,476,512 have died this year before I started typing this, so the odds of someone dying on 10/5/08 are fairly high.

[sts60]

Martin Timothy completely disregarded my challenges posed to him in post 29 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3665825&postcount=29) and post 39 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3667532&postcount=39), and he has disregarded all of your challenges as well, and that won't change. He is functionally a troll, if not deliberately so. It's just page after page of pseudoscientific malarkey with periodic excursions into outright gibberish. Maybe we can set him and Dutch up with a thread reserved exclusively for the two of them - an online mutual self-admiration society.

[wollery]

The main reason I am so hard on astrologers is that I did study astrophysics and the history of science (astronomy) way back when, and to see someone pervert the field annoys me no end.

You think you're annoyed?

I have a hard time not punching the screen! :mad:

[Martin Timothy]

For the Moon occult Mars chart, observe that Uranus in Pisces and Neptune in Aquarius are in mutual reception twenty eight degrees apart, while Saturn is opposite the mid point between both, and note the Jupiter Uranus Neptune structure from the third to the fifth house.

Saturn at one forty four Virgo, and Pluto at zero forty seven Capricorn are in close beneficial aspect for that, while both aspect the horizontal axis at zero Scorpio across zero Taurus during the event, could be worth considering particularly near the path of the occultation, though that means on the same degree of longitude not latitude, thus someone with the occultation on the MC for their location, could be miles away in the Southern Hemisphere but still feel the full effect.

Nightfall, after the Sun has set, the planet Mercury twenty one plus degrees West of the Sun, will be spectacularly visible with the Mars Moon conjunction, higher between it and Saturn high in the sky in the ninth house, thus does one reconcile astrology with astronomy and daily phenomena with astronomical sightings.

Mercury in the eighth house in Gemini is a powerful placement for that planet because it is the planetary ruler of the sign Gemini, as mortality transpires among men death charts drawn up for the moment of parting, very often show Mercury transiting the cusp of the natal or progressed seventh house square natal or progressed Mercury.

The horoscope progresses on a one day for one year basis, thus for a period twenty years on read the ephemeris listing for the date twenty days on, so does the degree on the MC change for each day in a similar manner, thus many of those good citizens who transpire 10 May, will be found to have natal or progressed Mercury at eleven degrees twenty eight Virgo or eleven twenty eight Pisces, or will have a natal or progressed ascendant at eleven twenty eight Sagittarius.

Mercury thus elevated is the Reapers Scythe, when Mercury is on the Western angle it brings mortality to mankind, do not underestimate the potential of this occultation to do the same.

The effect will be felt as per the house in which it takes place according to each separate location on Earth, build an astro chart for + 13:50 hrs UT 10 May 2008, for your location, check which house hosts the event and interpret accordingly.

[Hokulele]

Nightfall, after the Sun has set, the planet Mercury twenty one plus degrees West of the Sun, will be spectacularly visible with the Mars Moon conjunction, higher between it and Saturn high in the sky in the ninth house, thus does one reconcile astrology with astronomy and daily phenomena with astronomical sightings.


Why does this reconcile them? How?

[Pope130]

"Tags: astrology waco occult"

Note to Tag Team, you left the "k" out.

[sts60]

Martin, one more chance to back up your claims:

Why should we pay any attention to a practice which has as a core tenet that the Universe revolves around the Earth?

What physical meaning does any of this geoecentric observation have?

Why exactly should an imaginary line between two planets of wildly dissimilar sizes, compositions, distances have any significance? Why is one significant in a given claim, but not any of the 27 other similar lines drawn between what used to be known as the other eight planets? If the other lines are significant, have you accounted for all of them? Why or why not?

You claimed the apparent position of a planet, against an arbitrarily defined boundary of a visual grouping of unrelated stars, was significant due to "intelligent communication from outer space". This necessarily implies that our solar system was physically arranged by aliens. What specific evidence do you have for such an extraordinary claim?

Pluto has three (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/planets/plutopage.html) moons, not four as you have claimed. (And Charon is practically a double planet with Pluto.) What citation can you provide to back up your claim?

Why exactly do you include this "planet", which is smaller than seven other bodies in our solar system, but not include those bodies?

Also, why did astrology incorporate Pluto as an object with influence roughly equal to that of the other "classical" planets? Given the absence of such an influential planet from astrology prior to its discovery, can we not deduce that astrological predictions made before that were seriously deficient?

If it is so significant, why did astrologers not predict its presence before its discovery, since they should have noticed problems with their predictions? Since they did not, why exactly should we not conclude that astrology indeed has no predictive power?

And, since Pluto has been demoted from true planetary status to just another Kuiper belt object, why has astrology not removed it from its pantheon of influential bodies?

How exactly would one detect the influence of Titan or any other large moon? What controls would you use in such an experiment?

Since the size, composition, and distance of solar system bodies have no effect in astrology - contrary to all of observed physics - each and every one of these bodies should have significant influence. But, in direct contradiction of its own internal logic, astrology ascribes no meaning to them. Why exactly should we pay any attention to a system which is so blatantly self-contradictory?

[I Ratant]

This glop is almost a text-book illustration of what I accuse others of..
Knowledge of technical terms, but no knowledge as to what they mean, and then assembling the terms in groups which resemble sentences and paragraphs, without there being anything coherent relative to whatever is being discussed.

[Martin Timothy]

For the Moon occult Mars chart, observe that Uranus in Pisces and Neptune in Aquarius are in mutual reception twenty eight degrees apart, while Saturn is opposite the mid point between both, and note the Jupiter Uranus Neptune structure from the third to the fifth house.

Saturn at one forty four Virgo, and Pluto at zero forty seven Capricorn are in close beneficial aspect for that, while both aspect the horizontal axis at zero Scorpio across zero Taurus during the event, could be worth considering particularly near the path of the occultation, though that means on the same degree of longitude not latitude, thus someone with the occultation on the MC for their location, could be miles away in the Southern Hemisphere and still feel the full effect.

Nightfall, after the Sun has set, the planet Mercury twenty one plus degrees West of the Sun, will be spectacularly visible with the Mars Moon conjunction, higher between it and Saturn high in the sky in the ninth house, thus does one reconcile astrology with astronomy and daily phenomena with astronomical sightings.

Mercury in the eighth house in Gemini is a powerful placement for that planet because it is the planetary ruler of the sign Gemini, as mortality transpires among men death charts drawn up for the moment of parting, very often show Mercury transiting the cusp of the natal or progressed seventh house square natal or progressed Mercury.

The horoscope progresses on a one day for one year basis, thus for a period twenty years on read the ephemeris listing for the date twenty days on, so does the degree on the MC change for each day in a similar manner, thus many of those good citizens who transpire 10 May, will be found to have natal or progressed Mercury at eleven degrees twenty eight Virgo or eleven twenty eight Pisces, or will have a natal or progressed ascendant at eleven twenty eight Sagittarius.

Mercury thus elevated is the Reapers Scythe, when Mercury is on the Western angle it brings mortality to mankind, do not underestimate the potential of this occultation to do the same.

The effect will be felt as per the house in which it takes place according to each separate location on Earth, build an astro chart for + 13:50 hrs UT 10 May 2008, for your location, check which house hosts the event and interpret accordingly.


By now reasoned doubters will have obtained a pretty good idea of just what we mean here, as Mercury speeds thru space it similarly speeds thru peoples lives as charted in their scope, so too the other planets.

When they get to sensitive places like the location of natal or progresed planets or angles, ie the cusps of the natal or progressed houses, or progress into different signs, so do our lives change accordingly.

The Pluto Saturn structure that aspects the Descendant is the most ominous aspect, Mercury in the eighth on the terms of Pluto while Scorpio is in the Ascendant, and Jupiter in Capricorn, is one power bloc.

The Sun / Venus / Mars, and the Neptune Aquarius, Uranus Pisces group should be seen as a separate global power unit, and the occultation as an event which will heighten their differences, or be an issue regarding their joint relations at the very least.

For the fact that the event is in Leo, while the Sun natural ruler of Leo is a picture of tranquility and bliss conjunct Venus in Taurus, could mean a violent interruption to similar tranquility on the ground… The follow up to that that is the Bull can become enraged when provoked, so could the Mars response emanating via the Sun in Taurus link be like an enraged Bull, the conjunction with Venus doing little to placate the infuriated brute.

[arthwollipot]

Okay, so what's going to happen, and when is is going to happen?

[Martin Timothy]

Uranus in Pisces and Neptune in Aquarius are in mutual reception twenty eight degrees apart.

Identify them as the Sunni and Shia sects in the wider Islamic power bloc that includes the Sun / Venus / Mars group, expect the occultation to be a terror event on the one hand, or a deliberate attack on the other, and the response to be as per the combined brutal resources of the Lion and the Bull.

The Moon leaving cancer thence to fiery and highly visible confrontation with Mars on the ground directly below the celestial event, might be submarine launched missiles and a Marine assault on the Islamic homeland, recall that the path of the occultation includes virtually the entire Moslem world.

So see the other Pluto Saturn, Mercury group, as those forces most stridently opposing Islam.

Recall the Yin Yang diagram of the Tao, and see both sides as represented on the light Yin side with the Sun Mars, Venus axis, with Mercury as the dark spot, whereas the dark Yang side is the Saturn Pluto horizon group, with Jupiter as the light spot.

A terr attack could resemble the Moon crashing into Mars in Leo, when the Moon ingresses or moves into a sign like it did by going into Leo, minutes before the commencement of the occultation, it is said to be void of course, that means it is nobody’s child until it establishes a connection.

Terrorists recruited over the internet are nobody’s children, they are not averse to blowing themselves up in fiery self immolations at all… they are not Moslems at any time, since Moslems are responsive to the edicts in The Koran that assures bombers and suicidals alike, that burning fire is theirs for ever more should they take innocent life, yet they go and ahead and do it anyway.

Identify the US as Saturn high to the left on the chart, Israel is Mercury deep in Arab land.

Jupiter is the light spot on the Yang side of the Tao swirl that has developed out of the horoscope diagram, it must be responsible journalism in a sea of Murdochism, or yet a rock of scientific truth in a torrent of internet spam, the challenge to the skeptics is can they identify themselves on the chart, if so does their broader assessment put them in with the goodies or the baddies.

[The Atheist]

"Tags: astrology waco occult"

Note to Tag Team, you left the "k" out.

:dl:

That kept me chucking for long enough to nominate it for pith. Nice.

[sts60]

By now reasoned doubters will have obtained a pretty good idea of just what we mean here, ..

Yes. You have no intention of responding to corrections or challenges, or doing anything other than keeping your fingers firmly in your ears and churning out more pages of pseudoscientific gibberish.

To the Ignore list you go. Troll.

[arthwollipot]

By now reasoned doubters will have obtained a pretty good idea of just what we mean here...No, Timothy, we don't. Apart from sts60's response, which I think is perfectly reasonable, you haven't told us anything substantial.

I'll ask again.

What's going to happen, and when's it going to happen?

Failure to engage in discussion is considered trolling, and may draw moderator attention. You wouldn't want that, would you?

[Martin Timothy]

Martin Timothy - refusing to discuss what you have posted is not against the rules of the Forum however repeatedly creating threads about the same subject and not for any purpose of discussion is (a breach of Rule 6 of your Membership Agreement). Jurists will be asked to log their observations pertaining to the Lunar occultation of Mars, at their location, +13:50 hrs UT 10 May 2008, their responses will be used to determine the accuracy or otherwise of the prediction, that even as the scientific community has said the Moon will move in front of Mars visible as per the map…

http://de.geocities.com/the_astronomical_pocket_diary/20080510--Mars-SE-Asia.gif

…so has MT said similar events will be observable on the ground, simultaneously across the globe varying at each location according to astrological lore, and the celestial house in which the planetary event occurs.

Ranging from seismic activity in the San Andreas Fault, to terrorist activity, suicide bombings, submarine launched missile strikes, and a Marine invasion below the path of the occultation, to major upheavals in the banking sector, via the Sun Venus Taurus connection to Mars on the day.

Following the event as participants logs are disclosed, a clear picture of the true state of affairs should have emerged, those same jurors will be asked to determine whether the outcome supported the predictions, and whether there is an option to present those findings to the JR Million Dollars Challenge, with an eye to claiming the money.

The parameters must be as for Mars in Leo, that is above all man glamour, an attack on a bunch of men all glammed up at a sporting event could be one specific meaning, or soldiery on parade.

Another significant factor is Mercury in Gemini in the eighth, death is signified by the eighth house, the sign on its cusp and its ruler, and any occupant planet, Gemini is men …maybe a lotta men all dolled up as per Mars in Leo get it, as per Merc in Gemini in the eighth house on the terms of Pluto and Saturn.

That is all heavy drama.

Winners on the day are the bankers ...go gambling as Mars in Leo, wear at least one pastel shade article of clothing identifying yourself as Taurean, thus the Muses will suppose you to be a Mars banker, since Mars on the terms of the Sun in Taurus likes pastel colors, the Venus conjunction reinforces the Mars effect, and the financial return.

The Sun Taurus Venus combo is the big winner at the end of the day, as the occultation commences +13:50 May 10, the Taurean Mars Leo gambler could expect that the Moon crashing the show to be lucky, report your gambling experiences gained during the event as a juror in the follow up.

[arthwollipot]

So someone's going to try to claim Randi's million by saying "something's going to happen"?

Yeah, sure. That'll pass the protocols.
:nope:

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Rev. 6:12f; "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo. there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

In other words a day like all days and we shall still be here.
:boggled:

[arthwollipot]

So presumably MT has filed a signed and notarised Challenge Application Form (http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-application.html)?

Hmm. I see not (http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43). You do know that you will have to make a formal application for the challenge don't you? Simply declaring yourself eligible will not be sufficient.

[Elizabeth I]

When the Moon is in the seventh house,
And Jupiter aligns with Mars,
Then peace will guide the planets,
And love will steer the stars!

Harmony and understanding,
Sympathy and trust abounding,
No more falsehoods or derisions -
Golden living dreams of visions,
Mystic crystal revelation,
And the mind's true liberation!

[Sorry. It's what I think of every time I read a thread like this.]

[Ladewig]

When posters start using the quote function to reply to their previous posts, then that thread is pretty safely classified as a train wreck. The only way it could get goofier is if Martin Timothy were to report himself to the moderators.

[The Atheist]

Martin, I'm pleased to announce that thanks to knowing your birth date, I've worked out a horoscope for you:

The words from Uranus mean that you will be the victim of false prophecy this month. Your predictive powers are at an all time low as the occultation of Xuban (the Dark Matter planet you guys completely miss in your calculations) and Trabulon (another one - only half the distance of Earth - Venus) proceeds after your birth anniversary. Your lucky number is five and the colour blue holds special meaning for you in the near future.

Not good timing, mate, but do have a good birthday.

[Diagoras]

Why would anybody want astrology to be true, anyways? Basically, the idea is that the positions of the planets dictate events here on earth. And since the planets follow mathematically precise orbits, that means that pretty much everything that ever happens is predetermined. You are powerless to alter the future unless you can knock Jupiter out of its orbit or move some stars around in the zodiac. And if you understand astrology, then life holds no surprises for you. You can predict everything in advance. Sounds like a pretty bleak worldview to me.

Good thing it's BS.

[Ladewig]

Why would anybody want astrology to be true, anyways? Basically, the idea is that the positions of the planets dictate events here on earth. And since the planets follow mathematically precise orbits, that means that pretty much everything that ever happens is predetermined. You are powerless to alter the future unless you can knock Jupiter out of its orbit or move some stars around in the zodiac. And if you understand astrology, then life holds no surprises for you. You can predict everything in advance. Sounds like a pretty bleak worldview to me.

Good thing it's BS.

Most astrologers and their followers believe that the planets influence rather than determine events or personalities. They need a way to account for horoscopes not being accurate.

[zenotter]

I call troll.
I take that back. I call boring troll.

[zenotter]

When posters start using the quote function to reply to their previous posts, then that thread is pretty safely classified as a train wreck. The only way it could get goofier is if Martin Timothy were to report himself to the moderators.
:D

[Foolmewunz]

Not so fast, lads and lassies....

I, for one, am now waiting anxiously for the witching hour. When nothing like the global situation that MT has predicted occurs, what's going to get the blame? Bad vibes?

The clock is at:

77H:58M:00S

[arthwollipot]

I think we've already established that it's pretty unlikely that nothing will happen at that time. MT has the perfect out - he can claim to have predicted anything that happens.

[Aitch]

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves...

Says it all, really.

[Martin Timothy]

In Tutoia Brazil the event gets underway exactly on the Eastern Horizon, in astrology that is the cusp of the first house, astute observers will observe the daylight rising, optical aid should reveal Mars disc as the Moon passes in front, a chart erected for 10 May 2008 10:50 am BZT2, will be an event chart for that location, as well as a natal chart for the occultation as a whole.

Saturn is on the cusp of the second in Virgo, since the second house corresponds with the second sign Taurus, while Taurus is banking, Saturn is the planets of sorrow and Virgo is stringency, expect sorrow and stringency in finances.

The Sun and Venus are eight degrees apart in Taurus in the tenth of the business of the hour, means money and banking are likely involved, Mercury ruler of the tenth in the eleventh house of friends brings them into the equation, the twenty nine plus degrees of separation from Venus is counted as good communication.

That both Merc and Venus are aspected by Neptune must add depth, maybe a Neptune figure intercedes between two friends represented by Venus and Mercury, who might have financial problems re unpaid bills or unrepaid borrowings, he delivers welcome news to Mercury side as per the trine or one twenty degree aspect, and unwelcome news to the Venus figure, via the ninety degree square aspect, this could be the cause of ongoing rancor that the occultation stirs into life.

Jupiter is eight degrees away from opposing the occultation in Capricorn in the sixth house.

These things tell us that the most visible manifestation here should be the angular opposition from the Moon Mars event visible on the Eastern horizon, to the setting Jupiter figure just below the Western horizon in the sixth house.

Neptune in Aquarius, square Venus from the seventh to the tenth house is stress and uncertainty in finance, the fact that there is a good aspect Neptune to Mercury while Merc is accidental ruler of the second with Virgo on the cusp, could mean big bucks finance will be on the terms of Saturn and Mercury, indicating sound judgment and straightened times will out, over the good times big spending Venus in Taurus traditional ruler.

Locally in Brazil, the Jupiter figure should be seen as a big boned figure, a worker since the planet is in the sixth house of work, a power figure as well since Capricorn represents official power structures, Saturn ruler of Capricorn in Virgo in the second says finances are a big part of it, he or she will be unpopular not because of inherent badness since Jupiter is usually an amenable figure, but because of his or her position, as per Jupiter in its detriment in Capricorn, a fine payment officer, or debt collector comes to mind.

Could be he turned up and wanted to talk while Jupiter was in the seventh, the Moon Mars conjunction underway in the first is always a time of heightened Martian tension, things get heated after the Moon moves from the water sign Cancer to the Fire sign Leo some minutes before the occultation, then when it rises into the twelfth house of rash deeds and self undoing, something bad happens.

Uranus the planet of sudden and unusual deeds, is in Pisces in the eighth house of death, that always should be considered in an unusual Mars chart. The prognosis for the chart as it represents the course of the event, reinforces the financial and banking prediction, any Mars aspect must be viewed as highly dangerous.

[Diagoras]

Excuse me, I was under the assumption that this was a discussion board, not a monologue board. As other posters have suggested, if you just want to preach astrology, get a blog or something. You know very well that we don't believe in astrology and you aren't convincing anybody by continuing to spew barely intelligible sentences that have nothing to do with anything anybody else has said.

Can you tell us what counts as an astrologically significant object and why? What is the underlying force here and by what mechanism is it influencing the events in our lives? Besides being pretty lights in the sky for us to look at, how are arbitrary groups of distant stars and certain objects (but not others) in our solar system altering tangible human affairs?

Don't give any more of your lame examples. Just tell us how it works already.

[wollery]

gv-xP1gzeh8

anwy2MPT5RE

[Hokulele]

Great. Now I am hungry.

[The Atheist]

The prognosis for the chart as it represents the course of the event, reinforces the financial and banking prediction, any Mars aspect must be viewed as highly dangerous.

Seems to be fairly firmly fixed on the FAB area. Not perhaps the bravest prediction at a time of highly volatile, softening markets during a global slowdown.

[Martin Timothy]

Take another look at the Venus Neptune Mercury situ, and the second house in the Brazil chart for the start of the event.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_01_moon_occult_mars_hp.38222.17908. gif&res=63&va=&cid=lfafiletvm1l9-u1210156621

Here Venus as planetary ruler of the second sign Taurus is natural ruler of the second house, Mercury ruler of Gemini the sign on the cusp is accidental ruler, Saturn tenant of the second is in Virgo another Mercury sign, is thus well and truly on the terms of Mercury, as a result Merc disposits both Pluto and Jupiter in Capricorn, Saturn’s house, becoming a final dispositer.

Gemini on the cusp of the tenth tenanted by the Sun and Venus, gives Mercury additional leverage.

### Error …The previous post said that Neptune aspects Merc and Venus by good and bad aspects respectively, wrong …the Sun in Taurus is aspected by a good sixty degree aspect called a sextile from Uranus in Pisces, while Neptune is in bad square aspect, thirty degrees further on in Aquarius.

Uranus and Neptune in mutual reception in each others signs, means they work very well together and are seen as a bloc.

[Foolmewunz]

I think we've already established that it's pretty unlikely that nothing will happen at that time. MT has the perfect out - he can claim to have predicted anything that happens.

But interspersed with the hedging, he's made some bold claims. Forget about the men in uniform, nonsense... That could be a UEFA cup game. It's stuff like the following that I'm judging by.


…so has MT said similar events will be observable on the ground, simultaneously across the globe varying at each location according to astrological lore, and the celestial house in which the planetary event occurs.

Ranging from seismic activity in the San Andreas Fault, to terrorist activity, suicide bombings, submarine launched missile strikes, and a Marine invasion below the path of the occultation, to major upheavals in the banking sector, via the Sun Venus Taurus connection to Mars on the day.


Pretty specific... well, the seismic activity is a given, there's always something going on along the San Andreas Fault, even a 2.2 he'll claim as a hit. But I'm looking for terrorist activity, suicide bombings, submarine launched missile strike, ... a marine invasion, and major upheavals in the banking sector, .... "on the day".

Less than three days to go.

[slyjoe]

When posters start using the quote function to reply to their previous posts, then that thread is pretty safely classified as a train wreck. The only way it could get goofier is if Martin Timothy were to report himself to the moderators.

He should report himself. The OPer is off topic of the OP.:rolleyes:

[Hokulele]

Pretty specific... well, the seismic activity is a given, there's always something going on along the San Andreas Fault, even a 2.2 he'll claim as a hit. But I'm looking for terrorist activity, suicide bombings, submarine launched missile strike, ... a marine invasion, and major upheavals in the banking sector, .... "on the day".

Less than three days to go.


Hey, I made the earthquake prediction! He should not get any credit for that one.

[Correa Neto]

Someone please could tell me WTF am I supposed to expect to happen here in Brazil?

And if nothing happens, can I expect an "well I was wrong, my predictions were utter BS" or some lame excuse?

[JimBenArm]

So someone is going to navigate a Mercury Cougar into my Saturn, parked on the seventh house on Venus? Or is it that a Saturn V with an Apollo capsule is going to merge with a Gemini in orbit around Pluto? Or was it Goofy?
Maybe it was a Trident II was going to be launched from a Ford Taurus that was left in a garage in Reno, just to watch him die?
This as-troll-ogy stuff sure is confusing!

[The Atheist]

Someone please could tell me WTF am I supposed to expect to happen here in Brazil?

And if nothing happens, can I expect an "well I was wrong, my predictions were utter BS" or some lame excuse?

You fool!

Brazil's a hotbed of violence, slums and trouble - you should know this, you live there.

If, on the day, nothing happens that would be teh proof, being far stranger than any violent event.

(Tell the cops to have the day off)

[Foolmewunz]

60H:46M:32S


Can you just feel the excitement building?

[Foolmewunz]

Hey, I made the earthquake prediction! He should not get any credit for that one.

I know... But MT decided to work with it. Gotta love a facile prognosticator. Step right up! Sturm und drang for everyone!

[Martin Timothy]

Correa Neto says: Please could tell me where to focus here in Brazil.

For most of Brazil and Eastern South America the results will be about the same, the dispute between erstwhile friends Merc and Venus re wealth and property issues, Mercury starts off as friend figure who will attempt to repossess property, or to dispossess the Venus figure from property or a tenure that is his by birthright or custom.

On a global scale and below the path of the event this could mean an invasion or an annexation, in any case it is Mercury who has accidental dignity assuming Taurean lands possessions, or dignities he says have been miss used or miss spent, because according to him, he can do a better job. Since Mercury is the global thence Murdoch information media, expect a media blitz on behalf of the upstart Merc force.

Saturn could be US forces in the region, the Mars figure will respond accordingly on the part of the Sun in Taurus, assuring the world that Venus is rightful owner and will dispose of its Taurean estate as it deems appropriate, and will thumb his nose at the Merc Saturn push, the Moon covering its light is what happens next, which provokes the subsequent violent response.

The trial of Tariq Aziz could have resonance here, via the Saturn Mercury link that controls the Sun Venus wealth by accidental virtue of the US military incursions into the region, Capricorn is more especially open courts, Jupiter in Capricorn under strict terms of Saturn in Virgo, could represent the nature of the Iraqi court system, under Saturn thence US control, under Mercury thence Israeli control.

The social transaction which includes the Mars in Leo figure as a first person participant starts off ok, then turns heated when the Moon moves into Leo from Cancer, that could indicate someone joining in from another place who immediately confronts the Mars figure on his terms ...see pussy cats one will squark and holler at another one who takes it for a while, Moon in Cancer, then when the Moon moves into Leo, jumps down off the fence and takes the aggression up to the aggressor.

Official response is guaranteed, the Merc figure has the law on side via its Saturn connections, the burly Jupiter figure is the official responder, come to take the car or to reposess the house, his input further inflames the Mars in Leo figure who gains enormous strength via the Sun conjunct Venus in Taurus connection.

The result is a Reem, a fearful terror bull on the rampage, equipped with the combined brutal resources of the Lion and the Bull, strengthened by his perception that he is responding to a planned thrust meant to deprive him of his possessions, he goes on the attack.

This scenario could be repeated with its endless variations caused by local effects right down the east coast of the South American peninsular, indeed for all places on the same degree of longitude 42.16 W, then as we move westward the active part of the chart where the occultation is to occur, will be lower with respect to the horizon for the further we go.

For Chile then the East Coast of the US, the event will be in the second house, expect robbers disguised as friends, Saturn will be in the third house of communication, short trips, elementary school and siblings, expect the push to be from brothers and sisters or at school, or doing the shopping, as Mercury lands in the twelfth it will take risks and will want to sequester Venus possessions in any case, look out for rape, and the friends situ could mean the Sun Venus group will be strengthening assistance in the face of an attack.

Further westward still, Mexico and the US Central West and the occultation will be in the third with Saturn on the cusp of the fourth, here the strife is less out in the open though no less destructive for that, the fourth house responds to the Moon as natural ruler of Cancer the fourth sign and represents the family, here the extended family joins the fray.

Further going onto the US West coast, the occultation will be in the fourth house triggering tectonic movement in the fault line beneath San Francisco, Saturn in the fifth house brings unhappy love as per the paucity of warmth in both it and Virgo, maybe in the places with the event in the fourth the most memorable time will be an unhappy love affair, and shattering trauma at home.

The Sun Venus situ is now in the third house thence sibling responsive is supportive, when the active part enters the sixth house, so does sickness enter the equation, the fifth house is the heart, with Saturn in the fifth perhaps a terminal heart diagnosis might be in the offing, then the family returns, the Sun Venus in Taurus in the fourth house is kindlier response from the family.

Across the Pacific and more or less the same symptoms re property and wealth, then on across Asia where tension builds to the expected climax as the event is higher and higher, now as we study the charts and plot the path of the transit, the main part comes into view appearing to rise in the west like the unnatural apparition of some monstrous brute, or of some fearful specter that is about to visit mankind …under the path of the occultation expect terror and war.

[Hokulele]

The result is a Reem, a fearful terror bull on the rampage, equipped with the combined brutal resources of the Lion and the Bull, strengthened by his perception that he is responding to a planned thrust meant to deprive him of his possessions, he goes on the attack.


Reem?

[Correa Neto]

You already cited a place: Tutoia, Maranhão state, Brazil. At the Parnaíba delta. What is going to happen?

A note regarding this part:
the dispute between erstwhile friends Merc and Venus re wealth and property issues, Mercury starts off as friend figure who will attempt to repossess property, or to dispossess the Venus figure from property or a tenure that is his by birthright or custom.
No big deal, actually. Land conflicts in Northern Brazil (MST, rice farmers x natives at Raposa Serra do Sol) are not exactly unexpected at any time and quite often make the international news. So, you will have to be pretty specific regarding the "property issues".

And again, if (actually when) nothing happens, what will you do?

[I Ratant]

Me, I'm anticipating the San Andreas Fault shifting. It'll give me beach front properly, albeit 2500' down to the ocean.. if the west side falls off. If the east side goes, I prolly gotta learn to swim! :)

[Martin Timothy]

Correa Neto says: Please could tell me where to focus here in Brazil.

For most of Brazil and Eastern South America the results will be about the same, the dispute between erstwhile friends Merc and Venus re wealth and property issues, Mercury starts off as friend figure who will attempt to repossess property, or to dispossess the Venus figure from property or a tenure that is his by birthright or custom.

On a global scale and below the path of the event this could mean an invasion or an annexation, in any case it is Mercury who has accidental dignity assuming Taurean lands possessions, or dignities he says have been miss used or miss spent, because according to him, he can do a better job. Since Mercury is the global thence Murdoch information media, expect a media blitz on behalf of the upstart Merc force.

Saturn could be US forces in the region, the Mars figure will respond accordingly on the part of the Sun in Taurus, assuring the world that Venus is rightful owner and will dispose of its Taurean estate as it deems appropriate, and will thumb his nose at the Merc Saturn push, the Moon covering its light is what happens next, which provokes the subsequent violent response.

The trial of Tariq Aziz could have resonance here, via the Saturn Mercury link that controls the Sun Venus wealth by accidental virtue of the US military incursions into the region, Capricorn is more especially open courts, Jupiter in Capricorn under strict terms of Saturn in Virgo, could represent the nature of the Iraqi court system, under Saturn thence US control, under Mercury thence Israeli control.

The social transaction which includes the Mars in Leo figure as a first person participant starts off ok, then turns heated when the Moon moves into Leo from Cancer, that could indicate someone joining in from another place who immediately confronts the Mars figure on his terms ...see pussy cats one will squark and holler at another one who takes it for a while, Moon in Cancer, then when the Moon moves into Leo, jumps down off the fence and takes the aggression up to the aggressor.

Official response is guaranteed, the Merc figure has the law on side via its Saturn connections, the burly Jupiter figure is the official responder, come to take the car or to reposess the house, his input further inflames the Mars in Leo figure who gains enormous strength via the Sun conjunct Venus in Taurus connection.

The result is a Reem, a fearful terror bull on the rampage, equipped with the combined brutal resources of the Lion and the Bull, strengthened by his perception that he is responding to a planned thrust meant to deprive him of his possessions, he goes on the attack.

This scenario could be repeated with its endless variations caused by local effects right down the east coast of the South American peninsular, indeed for all places on the same degree of longitude 42.16 W, then as we move westward the active part of the chart where the occultation is to occur, will be lower with respect to the horizon for the further we go.

For Chile then the East Coast of the US, the event will be in the second house, expect robbers disguised as friends, Saturn will be in the third house of communication, short trips, elementary school and siblings, expect the push to be from brothers and sisters or at school, or doing the shopping, as Mercury lands in the twelfth it will take risks and will want to sequester Venus possessions in any case, look out for rape, and the friends situ could mean the Sun Venus group will be strengthening assistance in the face of an attack.

Further westward still, Mexico and the US Central West and the occultation will be in the third with Saturn on the cusp of the fourth, here the strife is less out in the open though no less destructive for that, the fourth house responds to the Moon as natural ruler of Cancer the fourth sign and represents the family, here the extended family joins the fray.

Further going onto the US West coast, the occultation will be in the fourth house triggering tectonic movement in the fault line beneath San Francisco, Saturn in the fifth house brings unhappy love as per the paucity of warmth in both it and Virgo, maybe in the places with the event in the fourth the most memorable time will be an unhappy love affair, and shattering trauma at home.

The Sun Venus situ is now in the third house thence sibling responsive is supportive, when the active part enters the sixth house, so does sickness enter the equation, the fifth house is the heart, with Saturn in the fifth perhaps a terminal heart diagnosis might be in the offing, then the family returns, the Sun Venus in Taurus in the fourth house is kindlier response from the family.

Across the Pacific and more or less the same symptoms re property and wealth, here as the seventh eighth and ninth houses host the event, and Saturn is so close behind, does the effect become one of inheritance, and partners claim to deceased wealth, as opposed to filial family groups claims.

Then on across Asia where tension builds to the expected climax as the event is higher and higher, now as we study the charts and plot the path of the transit, the main part comes into view appearing to rise in the west like the unnatural apparition of some monstrous brute, or of some fearful specter that is about to visit mankind …under the path of the occultation expect terror and war.


http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_01_moon_occult_mars_hp.38222.17908. gif&res=63&va=&cid=lfafiletvm1l9-u1210156621

I will certainly keep an eye on the probs re the indigenous tribes in Brazil.

It looks like the JREF is fixing to reneg on the million dollar deal... I want all you spammers to hold off on the spammin' for just a short while, and jot down your experiences on internet posts in a little over two days time.

Where I live there is all night gambling, I am going to choose a pastel number to go with my high heeled cowboy boots and faded levi jeans, I will be at the blackjack table at the time of the event, cognisant of Saturn in Virgo moving on, I intend to time my winning streak to conclude some time after it starts in the late wee hours.

Maybe its time to get a little ground work underway for the Jupiter event in June... There the same players are involved, just the signs and houses are different.

You all spammers will be required to eat crow when it all comes true!!

[Hokulele]

I will certainly keep an eye on the probs re the indigenous tribes in Brazil.

It looks like the JREF is fixing to reneg on the million dollar deal... I want all you spammers to hold off on the spammin' for just a short while, and jot down your experiences on internet posts in a little over two days time.

Where I live there is all night gambling, I am going to choose a pastel number to go with my high heeled cowboy boots and faded levi jeans, I will be at the blackjack table at the time of the event, cognisant of Saturn in Virgo moving on, I intend to time my winning streak to conclude some time after it starts in the late wee hours.

Maybe its time to get a little ground work underway for the Jupiter event in June... There the same players are involved, just the signs and houses are different.

You all spammers will be required to eat crow when it all comes true!!


You offer insults and ask for our help in the same post?

[zenotter]

You offer insults and ask for our help in the same post?
That's what I was thinking. Plus, I'm thinking he should take me gambling, on account of my having Jupiter in my 1st house conjunct my Part of Fortune. (Srsly.) My Saturn's in Cancer, so all would be harmonious, except for maybe that unpredictable Uranus of mine, in Libra, squaring that, yet it also sextiles the previously mentioned Mars in Leo, so that would be a jolly interesting time, no matter what.

Oh, I also wanted to mention that I like Daykeeper (http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/calendar.shtml)'s notes for May 10:

SATURDAY MAY 10

Moon goes into Leo at 6:10 am and occults Mars 40 minutes later, shielding us from the red planet’s renewed energy and exuberance. It seems to be a consuming task; that’s the only classic aspect she makes all day. Her quincunx to Pluto, however, can promote emotional intensity.

That's it. Short and sweet. Can't wait to see what happens. :slp:

[The Atheist]

It looks like the JREF is fixing to reneg on the million dollar deal... I want all you spammers to hold off on the spammin' for just a short while, and jot down your experiences on internet posts in a little over two days time.

I've heard of the pot calling the kettle black, but this is absurd - calling respondents spammers?

And excuse me, but in what way if JREF fixing to renege [sic] on the million dollar deal? If you're referring to its withdrawal, that has nothing to do with reneging, but is all about making better use of resources than having a mio sitting around doing nothing.

The reason it's being withdrawn is that nobody has (or will) ever come close to claiming it.

You all spammers will be required to eat crow when it all comes true!!

Hey, you turn up a genuine astological prediction which then comes true, I'll eat the crow complete with feathers - uncooked.

[zenotter]

So.... how and why is this related to Waco again?

[arthwollipot]

It looks like the JREF is fixing to reneg on the million dollar deal... I want all you spammers to hold off on the spammin' for just a short while, and jot down your experiences on internet posts in a little over two days time.First, what "deal"? The circumstances under which the million dollars are awarded are clearly posted on the internet, and you have not entered into any deal that can be renegged. To enter into a deal, please submit a signed and notarised Challenge Application (http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-application.html). Then we'll see who's renegging.

Second, as I have pointed out before, we are not spamming. We are discussing. This is not a blog, and we are not appending comments. If you don't want discussion, don't post here.

[Kopji]

So over 20,000 people died in Burma/Myanmar and you couldn't predict it even though you could have made a prediction just by looking at the weather report and knowing what kind of losers run the government there.

Or is astrology only good for predicting terror attacks of a few people?

Astrology is not only a waste of time and money it rots the mind.

[arthwollipot]

So over 20,000 people died in Burma/Myanmar and you couldn't predict it even though you could have made a prediction just by looking at the weather report and knowing what kind of losers run the government there.

Or is astrology only good for predicting terror attacks of a few people?

Astrology is not only a waste of time and money it rots the mind.Estimates are over 100,000 now.

[Foolmewunz]

MT,
Let's be clear... WE, e.g. the people responding on this thread, are NOT the million dollar challenge. WE are individuals who have various criteria for judging you to be,

A. A mere failure
B. A mere failure spamming and trolling thes boards
C. A major failure
D. A colossal failure to such an extent that they're going to stop referring to the Failboat as same, they're going to start calling it the "SS Martin Timothy".

I'm opting for the latter. I'm anxiously counting down to that missile launch, and I've listed the criteria under which I'm going to judge your predictions. If you hit 80% of those with significant events in those areas of the globe and particular events/venues, and I'll eat crow. I will publicly declare you to be a legitimate Nostsradamus, Edgar Cayce, and Jean Dixon all rolled into one.

If, however, you FAIL IN A COLOSSAL FASHION, will you agree to take all your charts and big boy writing pads and fold them seven ways, sprinkle them with paprika, fold 'em the eighth way, then stick 'em where the sun don't shine?

How's that.... You have an audience of 3000 regular viewers on the site, plus I'll also announce your ascendancy to Astrologer Laureate on the corner of Lockhart and Fenwick here in Hong Kong, at 1300 hours (as your selected "witching hour"), every day for a month. But, sorry, I ain't got no million for you... I'll give you a million dong, though... I think I have them left over from my trip; to Ho Chi Minh City last month.

[slyjoe]

....

D. A colossal failure to such an extent that they're going to stop referring to the Failboat as same, they're going to start calling it the "SS Martin Timothy".

I'm opting for the latter.

...

Ask and you shall receive...quick and dirty.


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[Foolmewunz]

Ask and you shall receive...quick and dirty.


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(snicker) Dontcha just love it when you're the first to get to a thread where someone's left you such a low hanging curve that you can belt it out of the park?

36H:30M:47S

[Martin Timothy]

Tutoia, Maranhão state in Northern Brazil …land conflicts …rice farmers …natives …Raposa Serra do Sol.

It seems that this occultation is set to inflame the tensions in the region yet again, take another look at Mercury in Gemini ...in the Yin Yang diagram that developed in the event chart, for places under the transit where it will be hosted in the tenth house locally, Mercury was identified as the dark spot in the light Yin part of the swirl.

Furthermore it was identified as Israel in the broader scheme of things, the Mars in Leo figure is the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the occultation is a marine attack on the one hand, submarine warfare on the other, thus the US launches an attack designed to kill …take out …reduce …call it what you will Iranian men, the first phase succeeds and they do just that, the regional response is as per the rage of a Lion and Bull combined, and their Uranus in Pisces submarines in the Indian Ocean sink the US Battle fleets.

In Brazil the indigenous inhabitants at Raposa Serra do Sol who oppose rice farms in their region, could be asked by the friendly Mercury figure to attend a mass gathering festival turned up in their Sunday best, as per Mars in Leo, and the same erstwhile friend arranges for Blackwater type mercenaries to turn up as well, a la the Moon turning up and disposing of the light of Mars, who kill everyone.

The rice men got there in 1975, and have since used the fact of their violent armed annexation of the territory as an excuse to claim ownership and descent, the rifles used were lever action cowboy movie Winchesters, like the Cartwright clan had in the TV series Bonanza.

Their modus operandi resembled in every way the annexations in Central America carried out on behalf of the United Fruit Company, where CIA luminaries such as Frank Sturgis and E Howard Hunt earned their spurs, there is every reason to suppose the same CIA assets are behind the push to dispossess the natives here.

The advice to the natives in Tutoia and to the Iranians, when the parades get attacked in Iran see to it that it is only old men and non breeders dressed up, while the RG is away in the hills practicing shooting helicopters down.

Similarly at the free lunch festivals in Brazil, send the old folk, they get a day out if it is a false alarm, however if the threat is real only the elderly and old breeding stock get eliminated, the rest should lie low and above all avoid helicopters.

[Correa Neto]

I hope you are aware that Raposa Serra do Sol and Tutóia are separated by more than 2000km...

And that there are no "Blackwater-type mercenaries" here... Neither evidence of CIA tentacles behind the land conflicts in Brazil. Better try the CT forum if you want to pull this out of your sleeve. Or perhaps using a better source of information where such nonsense is not present.

When your prediction deadline expires, and you realize that nothing like your apocalyptical scenarios happened, what will you do?

BTW, once hints and tips are obtained, making a prophecy is easier, eh? The language of the stars becomes more comprehensible...

[Elizabeth I]

I hope you are aware that Raposa Serra do Sol and Tutóia are separated by more than 2000km...

No, he thinks "Columbia" is on Hispaniola.

[The Atheist]

I hope you are aware that Raposa Serra do Sol and Tutóia are separated by more than 2000km...

Pwnage of the week!

:dl:

[JimBenArm]

I'm beginning to see how as-troll-ogy works now. Just take words selected at random, separate them with astrological-sounding names, along with generic gobbledy-gook, and hey! There's your sign...

[Hokulele]

I'm beginning to see how as-troll-ogy works now. Just take words selected at random, separate them with astrological-sounding names, along with generic gobbledy-gook, and hey! There's your sign...


Meh, I prefer ass-troll-ogy.

[arthwollipot]

Meh, I prefer ass-troll-ogy.I'm partial to ass-troll-orgy myself.

Hang on - what?

[Martin Timothy]

The occultation is visible as it happens high over virtually all of Europe.

Immigrants in France and elsewhere whose parents went there as late as last century, could just as easily use the same excuses the Americans are using in Iraq, the US says it knows best, and it holds the ground by virtue of military occupation, so what it says goes.

This astro event is quite likely to bring tenure and occupancy issues to the fore, after a provocative event where Mars in Leo figures are attacked.

In Sri Lanka just outside the path of totality, the very same thing is underway, the Brits brought Tamil workers from India in the nineteenth century, now they are waging a genocidal war against the indigenous population for their own homeland.

They are represented by the Mercury Saturn axis acquiring accidental dignity in the second house, meaning they have prospered, now they are telling the natural ruler Venus, meaning the Sri Lankan government, that they can do a better job and declaring Taurus, or Sri Lankan territory theirs by virtue of immigrant tenure.

In Indonesia at the far end of the path of the occultation no less, tenency and occupancy decisions are made in Government offices in far away places, which have affected the lifestyles of indigenous groups throughout the region, Mars Lunar events in a brutal sign like Leo, particularly if there is severe provocation like in the wake of a massacre, could lead to an almighty explosion of ethnic violence there.

[arthwollipot]

Bored now.

[Hokulele]

Bored now.


How does one become bored with an ass-troll-orgy?

[Foolmewunz]

Now, now, Martin!

Are you adding these latest non-facts to your prediction for tomorrow, or is this just "making stuff up as I go along to show how clever I am"?

And who says the Tamils are whatever sign you have assigned to them. Even amongst your ilk (astrologers, woo-ologists, I Ching merchants, Tarotists), there's much derision of assigning signs to countries or organizations, as you well know. So, like Waco, you decided the Tamils are whatever sign is in the ascendency, because IT FITS THE ACTUAL STORY.

What does China's sign say for the Olympics? What is China's sign? If I was to mention the torch procession coming through Hong Kong on the 11th, would you tell them to cancel it? Is the occullullabullawhatzits going to mean that there's a danger of violence in the torch relay? Should I keep my family inside?

[Hokulele]

What is China's sign?


Right now? Rat. Dirty rat.

[chillzero]

The advice to the natives in Tutoia and to the Iranians, when the parades get attacked in Iran see to it that it is only old men and non breeders dressed up, while the RG is away in the hills practicing shooting helicopters down.

Similarly at the free lunch festivals in Brazil, send the old folk, they get a day out if it is a false alarm, however if the threat is real only the elderly and old breeding stock get eliminated, the rest should lie low and above all avoid helicopters.

bolding mine.
Nice. :mad:

[Nancarrow]

Her quincunx to Pluto, however, can promote emotional intensity.


I love it when astrologers talk dirty.

[Aitch]

I love it when astrologers talk dirty.

Checks Sky tv guide for next broadcast of When Astrologers Talk Dirty.

Ah, good. It's on just before When CTists Talk Sense. Must remember to set the the recorder. :)

[Correa Neto]

Prophecy handbook 101:
1.How to make a prophecy.
Just say something bad will happen somewhere sometime. Make sure that:
A. The language is crypitic, vague, nebulous and subject to a variety of interpretations;
B. At least two of the the "somes", (something, "somewhere" and "sometime") are very broad and inespecific.

Ex.:
Next month, the individual quantum ressonances whose interactions build our fates will be negatively affected by the spatial geometry of the stars and the planets. Venus' energy flow through the ether of space will be affected by the unfavorable position of the other celestial bodies, creating an inballance between the feminine and masculine aspects of the universal yin-yang dipole. People and animals will have their aggressive impulses enhanced and under less control, what may cause conflicts at all scales, while animal attacks may become more common. Ley lines will also be affected and this will cause local accumulations of telluric energy which will have to be dispersed somehow. Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and severe weather disturbances may be expected. The configuration of the heaveny bodies indicate Africa, Latin America and Asia are the most likely places where trouble can be expected, but Europe and North America are not free of danger.

[slyjoe]

(snicker) Dontcha just love it when you're the first to get to a thread where someone's left you such a low hanging curve that you can belt it out of the park?

36H:30M:47S

Absolutely - I live for this crap. :)

BTW - your residual check is in the mail.

[Darth Rotor]

Absolutely - I live for this crap. :)

BTW - your residual check is in the mail.
At this point, JimBenArm wins the thread, with a lot of honorable mentions to all and sundry.

Martin, you offer me this:
observe San Francisco at 122:24 West, and conclude the entire West coast of the United States will be under the duress of the occultation from before dawn 10 May 2008.
My brother lives in Berkley, CA. Should he leave town tonight? Will his house still be standing when this is over?

Give me something to work with here.

DR

[grayman]

I'm waiting to see if Martin still thinks we're spamming his "blog".

[The Atheist]

I'm waiting to see if Martin still thinks we're spamming his "blog".

Well, you certainly are. Many posters are trying to have a proper discussion with Martin.

(I'm not one of them)

:bgrin:

[luchog]

Okay, this thread has officially hit the cat stage.

[X]

Not cat yet.

Wait 'til Sunday morning.

[Foolmewunz]

12H:12M:31S

Ga! I can't take the suspense!

Someone get JimBen out there in his personal nuclear sub and see if there's a bogie off the Pacific Coast.

Won't someone think of the casinos????

[Babylon Sister]

I really hope none of MT's ass-troll-ogical predictions interfer with the delivery of my new furniture tomorrow!

(I probably shouldn't worry though. With all of the places MT has named where something grim and grisly will happen, my area seems to have been missed.)

[Martin Timothy]

Less than thirteen hours to go and still more than six degrees separate the Moon and Mars.

Mercury in Gemini could be soldiery in helicopters, Neptune in Aquarius and Uranus in Pisces are in mutual reception, first identified as the Sunni and Shia alliance in the broader Islamic nation that lies under the path of totality, now should be seen on a global scale as the Sino Soviet alliance, or the Russia China axis.

The square Neptune to Sun, and the sextile Uranus to Sun, while the Sun is in the tenth house thus on the terms of Saturn at the commencement of the occultation, could represent friendly diplomacy from Uranus Russia, and more to the point negotiations with Neptune China, over a host of issues, not least the matter of Chinese gold locked away in US banks, and Chinese submarines stalking the US fleets.

If this alliance turns against the US Saturn, Israel Mercury arrangement after an atrocity regarding helicopter borne troops landing, it could mean world war three.

Pluto at one hundred fifty degrees of separation from the event at zero Capricorn is the unknown quantity, it is in the fifth house thus on the terms of the Sun by house, and in Capricorn thus disposited by Saturn in Virgo, thence Mercury in Gemini by sign, even as we have identified Mercury both as helicopters and mercenary soldiery on the one hand, and Israel on the other.

Pluto has no dispositors by sign because of the dearth of planets in Scorpio, while Scorpio is on the cusp of the fourth, the natural home of the sign Cancer ruled by the Moon, it going from that sign into Leo thence occulting Mars, is at the heart of all the fuss, so an unknown Pluto connection must be considered. Uranus in Pisces in the eighth house a little under eight degrees from the square with Pluto, should be considered too, as Pluto via its eighth sign Scorpio connection, is one of the natural co rulers with Mars of the eighth house.

Here we must consider Mars has more claim, although there are no planets in Aries or the first house which would have given it some independent strength, it gains strength in Leo while it is on the angle, involved in a very strenuous occultation with the Moon, and while the Sun is strong and angular in the tenth, in an amenable conjunction with Venus.

The Jupiter situation is identified as the light spot on the dark Yang side of the Tao diagram, it is seen as totally under the power of Saturn thence Mercury in that situation, with no planets in Sagittarius that might have assisted, meaning Iraq under American thence Israeli control, since Mercury is final dispositer and Mercury is journalism, Jupiter is besieged surrounded journalism or the voice of reason, as much as the good guy who would normally would play an active role, who is compromised thru alliances, deals or employment contracts out of the equation.

Even so Jupiter in the sixth with Sagittarius on the cusp is at home in its own house in that respect, and the sixth house corresponding with the sixth sign Virgo is a sticklier for duty, thus someone relying on Jupiter to forsake his duty under the auspices of this horoscope, citing the situ re the Saturn Mercury dispositer connection, either by Saturn Capricorn, sign or Merc Virgo house. Would find that the Jupiter lawman, county Sheriff, Police Chief, figure would not abandon his role, and would stick with the letter of the law, if one of the Saturn or Mercury figures is found with his finger in the pie, despite whatever deals were made previously.

In that respect the Jupiter figure in the sixth house could be the key to it all.

[The Atheist]

12H:12M:31S

Ga! I can't take the suspense!

Someone get JimBen out there in his personal nuclear sub and see if there's a bogie off the Pacific Coast.

Won't someone think of the casinos????

I haven't looked forward to an event this much since the World Cup!

Midnight tonight. Correa Neto's waiting, shortwave radio in hand to cope with the certain internet outage by this massive event, centred somewhere in the same hemisphere as him! He is relaying messages to Luciana who will brave the ravages of the Rio Tonto to post the details here.

I understand that CNN are monitoring this thread so they can be the first network with the news!

<12 hours now.... the excitement building.....

[Locknar]

Less than thirteen hours to go <snip>And still no specific predictions...just vague claptrap. How is your application for the MDC going?

[grayman]

I really hope none of MT's ass-troll-ogical predictions interfer with the delivery of my new furniture tomorrow!

(I probably shouldn't worry though. With all of the places MT has named where something grim and grisly will happen, my area seems to have been missed.)

This may be the reason to worry the most.

[Martin Timothy]

Moon occult Mars …less seven some hours.

Here Neptune is exactly on the cusp of the ascendant as the occultation gets underway, Saturn is in the seventh and Pluto is most elevated planet in the eleventh house with Jupiter in Capricorn, the event starts in the sixth house and moves twenty minutes later into the fifth house of gambling and good times, girl friends and love affairs.

Mercury is in the fourth while the Sun Venus conjunction is rising deep in the third house having passed the nadir, the cusp of the fourth a minute or so before, Uranus is in Pisces on the cusp of the second, indicating sudden ups or downs in finances.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_01_moon_occult_mars_hp.18300.29146. gif&res=63&va=&cid=dnzfilemydT6L-u1210395899

Jupiter at twenty two Capricorn, Neptune at twenty four Aquarius, and Uranus at twenty two Pisces, all aspect the cusp of the seventh house of partners at twenty four Leo, with Saturn in that house eight degrees from the cusp, when the active Mars lunar occultation hits the fifth Saturn will be on the seventh exactly, for the fact that the Sun is on an angle heightens tensions even more.

The plan is to hit the blackjack tables after taking in a little lap dancing action, anticipating good reception from the chicks while the Sun and Venus transit the fifth, then when the active Lunar Mars event crosses into the fifth I cross over to the gambling tables.

Pluto remains an enigma, on this chart most elevated with Scorpio on the MC it is again in a position if not of power certainly of presence, in the Brazil chart for the start of the phenomenon Pluto controlled the IC or nadir the cusp of the fourth house, traditionally the end result in horary astrology, this Pluto figure could be the Antichrist.

[Foolmewunz]

A lady on Wanchai Road just dropped an umbrella and it nearly knocked over a large container of daffodils.

Does that count?

5H:51M:41S

(My nipples are getting hard.)

[UnrepentantSinner]

What happens if Martin's prediction doesn't occur, but we're all struck blind at the appointed hour?

(Oh and to correct a mistake repeated a number of times in the first few pages - "tanks" were not used against Mt. Carmel. They were M-728 Combat Engineering Vehicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M728_Combat_Engineer_Vehicle) which don't even fire "incendiary" rounds.

[Kopji]

Just passing time, waiting for the end of the world or whatever dire event. Yawn.
If I were going to do the woo, it would woo like this:

Neptune ascendant
occultation underway
Saturn in the seventh
Pluto most elevated

the eleventh house
Jupiter in Capricorn
event starts
gambling and good times
girl friends and love affairs

Mercury in the fourth
Sun Venus conjunction rising deep
Uranus in Pisces
sudden ups or downs

Jupiter Capricorn
Neptune Aquarius
Uranus Pisces
seventh house partners

Saturn
eight degrees from the cusp
occultation
angle tensions

blackjack
lap dancing action
Sun and Venus transit
gambling tables

Pluto an enigma
most elevated
position of power, presence
controlled
the Antichrist

[Ravenwood]

What happens if Martin's prediction doesn't occur, but we're all struck blind at the appointed hour?

(Oh and to correct a mistake repeated a number of times in the first few pages - "tanks" were not used against Mt. Carmel. They were M-728 Combat Engineering Vehicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M728_Combat_Engineer_Vehicle) which don't even fire "incendiary" rounds.

No, but they do fire a watermelon sized HE (High Explosive) "Demolition" Round :) Sorry for the Derail, but I always found it funny that the CT crew always brings up the non existant "incendiary" rounds, while ignoring the real destructive rounds that the CEV carries...

[Hokulele]

No, but they do fire a watermelon sized HE (High Explosive) "Demolition" Round :) Sorry for the Derail, but I always found it funny that the CT crew always brings up the non existant "incendiary" rounds, while ignoring the real destructive rounds that the CEV carries...


Nerd!

:)

[Ravenwood]

Hey, I'm a red legged gunnery geek...it's what I do...

[UnrepentantSinner]

No, but they do fire a watermelon sized HE (High Explosive) "Demolition" Round :) Sorry for the Derail, but I always found it funny that the CT crew always brings up the non existant "incendiary" rounds, while ignoring the real destructive rounds that the CEV carries...

Yes, but the CT argument is that the "tanks were shooting napalm and incendiary rounds" into the compound and that's what set it on fire. Their focus is on the fire, not walls being blown down so that's why I didn't mention the HE round.

Hey, I'm a red legged gunnery geek...it's what I do...

Cough (http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7757&d=1185330127)

[The Atheist]

5H:51M:41S

(My nipples are getting hard.)

Under three hours now.....

I just went out and looked at the moon. It appears to be ok.

[Foolmewunz]

TA - You may be off by an hour (or maybe I am??? but I doubt it I have ZoneTick clocks all over my screen)....

1H:16M:27S

ETA: Drat!!!! Does UT ignore DST in England? Crap. so it's

2H:16M:27S

[Martin Timothy]

Foolmewunz says: You may be off by an hour ...or maybe I am??? but I doubt it ...I have ZoneTick clocks all over my screen.... 1H:16M:27S ETA: Drat!!!! Does UT ignore DST in England? Crap. so it's 2H:16M:27S

The event starts three hours and six minutes from the time of your post.

[Foolmewunz]

Gah! Can someone fetch me a real astrologer!

This a.m. just about 12 hours ago, you stated "less than 13 hours to go"). Now it would appear to be more like fourteen from that time.

So is it 13:50 UTC or 14:50? I distinctly recall 13 in there from the beginning. Maybe you shouldn't be betting on roulette or craps if you can't tell time, properly... seeing as to how they both involve 'numbers'. (But we'd love to see a picture of you in your pastel shirt and cowboy boots. That's certainly brighten up this thread.)

[I Ratant]

Phbbbbthttttt!

[Foolmewunz]

By whatever clock, the witching hour is apparently here.


Just intercepted this with my tin foil rabbit ear receptors....
Reno? Check? Is this thing on? Come in, Reno? Stop playing with us, Sparky! You're still there aren't you? Reno? RENOOOOO! Come in Reno, please.

OMG, they're gone! Wiped out in their prime of life.



Well, it's getting late over here in Hong Kong and I've had a long day, so will be calling it quits for the end of the world watch. CNN just reported that NOTHING HAS HAPPENED, ANYWHERE IN THE PAST TEN MINUTES. There seems to be a heat wave in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but I'm not goiing to accept that as oscabobbwambalucian, that's for certain. Apparently, being a weekend, most bankers have apparently decided to wait until Monday to jump off of cliffs or whatever they're supposed to do.

I notice that the major currencies today are UNCHANGED.

Do keep me posted, Martin.

Oh, and for all you disaster fans, here's a nifty world update of every friggin' crisis going on in the world. It's updated a few hours later than real time, but if California slips into the ocean while I'm in bed, I'm sure it'll be listed in due time.

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/?area=&lang=eng

[Elizabeth I]

Today can't be the end of the world - I have it pencilled into my calendar for 2012.

[The Atheist]

Breaking news!

In the South Pacific (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/), nothing has happened.

In Europe (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/), nothing has happened.

And in USA (http://www.nytimes.com/), nothing continues to happen.

Meanwhile....
in Brazil:

Nothing's happening either! (http://www.einnews.com/brazil/)

Can carry that mio back to the safe.

[Nogbad]

Well my team lost today and therefore won't qualify for Europe so that was a bit of a bummer - does that count?


Astrology aside wasn't Koresh an doomsday loon who led his followers to their deaths for no good reason?

[The Atheist]

OMFG! It's happened - an earthquake in Hawke's Bay! (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10509413)

[The Atheist]

Some people even felt the earthquake!

The fact that these earthquakes happen roughly weekly in the North Island of NZ is irrelevant to Martin's amazingly accurate prediction.

[Foolmewunz]

Well my team lost today and therefore won't qualify for Europe so that was a bit of a bummer - does that count?


Astrology aside wasn't Koresh an doomsday loon who led his followers to their deaths for no good reason?

OMG! But... But... were there "men in uniforms"? Gasp! He was right. He was right after all. Don't we all feel foolish.

(Well, I feel Foolmewunzish, at any rate.)

[fromdownunder]

Reporting from Australia, it is still here AFAIK. At least my part of it is, and there is nothing on the news, except that Victoria beat the All-Stars in the AFL football interstate match during the magic hours.

Norm

[zenotter]

But, uh... this has to do with Waco HOW?

Or are the Branch Davidians the elderly in helicopters that we have to beware of? :confused:

[petra10]

[QUOTE=Nogbad;3692557]Well my team lost today and therefore won't qualify for Europe so that was a bit of a bummer - does that count?

Was your team beaten by a team who had the ref on their side?

Btw wheres MT?

[grayman]

Btw wheres MT?

Having a bad day, I guess.

[Martin Timothy]

Good report At: Charting the Napier event confirms the prediction re the seismic potential of the conjunction, two hours and thirty seven minutes after the time published for commencement at +16:27 hrs UT May 10, or +4:27 hrs NZ May 11, as it transitted the fourth house locally.

Lunar occultations.com says the lunar disc would cover Mars seen from various places from +11:41:49 hrs UT in Las Palmas in the Canary Islands, until it finally departed at +16:01:04 hrs UT seen from Mandalay in Burma, then goes on to say the conjunction is at 19:45.8 hrs UT, nearly six hours after the published time of commencement, and more than eight hours after it had begun in Las Palmas already.

The fact there is such wide time frame is one for the astro physicists, however from a purely astrological perspective the event was well and truly underway in the fourth house, at the time of the New Zealand earthquake.

Locally Mars had become visible a little after nightfall at 5:10 pm, Moonset was for 9:51 pm two hours before the published time for commencement, at that time it was visible high above nowhere even close to the Moon, for that reason we have to use the entire time frame as reference.

Keep those reports coming in, this is hard evidence that will prove the scientific validity of astrology for all time.

[grayman]

Good report At: Charting the Napier event confirms the prediction re the seismic potential of the conjunction, two hours and thirty seven minutes after the time published for the commencement of the event at +16:27 hrs UT May 10, or +4:27 hrs NZ 11 May, as the event transitted the fourth house locally...

[snip]

...Keep those reports coming in, this is hard evidence that will prove the scientific validity of astrology for all time.

So we give a report and you say, "Yes, my charts said that would happen."

You're full of Cheez-Wiz, you know that, don't you?

[Locknar]

Such the surprise; nothing happened at the "appointed time" yet MT claims sucess....just to funny.

How is that application for the MDC coming along MT?

[Elizabeth I]

So we give a report and you say, "Yes, my charts said that would happen."

You're full of Cheez-Wiz, you know that, don't you?

I knew you were going to say that. (I'm psychic.)

[Foolmewunz]

But interspersed with the hedging, he's made some bold claims. Forget about the men in uniform, nonsense... That could be a UEFA cup game. It's stuff like the following that I'm judging by.




Pretty specific... well, the seismic activity is a given, there's always something going on along the San Andreas Fault, even a 2.2 he'll claim as a hit. But I'm looking for terrorist activity, suicide bombings, submarine launched missile strike, ... a marine invasion, and major upheavals in the banking sector, .... "on the day".

Less than three days to go.

Bump!

I'm looking for....
Submarine Launched Missile Strike
Terrorist Activity
Suicide Bombings
Marine Invasion
Major Upheavals in the Banking Sector

....... ON THE DAY .....

Where are those things, MT? Admittedly, "the day" has a few hours to run, but are any banks open on Sunday?

How's about those parades that were going to get attacked in Iran and Brasil. I've checked Al Jazeera, and there's no mention of any parades in Iran, much less one getting attacked. My Portugese is weak, but I've checked news sites in Brasil.... Alas, also no reports of non-breeders and elderly being sacrificed for a cause.

I'm going with the Grayman theory, but I think Cheez-Whiz may not be a strong enough euphemism.

[Ravenwood]

I believe Bravo Sierra is the word you are looking for :)

[UnrepentantSinner]

Keep those reports coming in, this is hard evidence that will prove the scientific validity of astrology for all time.

How exactly do all these reports of "nothing happened" provide evidence?

[Kopji]

Scientific evidence that having everyone on 'ignore' significantly skews your perception of reality.

[zenotter]

Hmm... why hasn't anyone brought this up yet?

"My name is Martin Timothy I live in Brisbane Australia. I am banned from... Digg, Truthnews US, Loose Change Forums, Australian Forums Online, ConCen Forum, Infowars Forum, The Smirking Chimp Forum and quite a few others."

From here (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/announcements-introductions/46838-my-name-martin-timothy.html). Bet he didn't see posting of that in his charting for the day.

[Martin Timothy]

This story from Iraq confirms the Jupiter Capricorn sixth house Sagittarius connection...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/world/middleeast/10blackwater.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin

Recall we said that Jupiter is entirely at the discretion of Saturn thence Mercury for the most part via the dispositors connection, ie Jupiter in Capricorn disposited by Saturn in Virgo, disposited by Mercury at home and thus final dispositer in Gemini, Mercury's hold reinforced by that planets natural rulership of the sixth, while Iraq is Jupiter, the US Saturn, and Israel Mercury.

The hold out situ was like the light spot on the dark side of the Tao swirl, Jupiter in the sixth with Sagittarius its sign on the cusp, despite the fact it was on the terms of those other planets certainly in the wider sphere, acting independently here and sticking to the letter of the law.

The Iraqi government insisting that Blackwater be held responsible records the truth of that prediction, that the matter was raised under the auspices of this occultation reinforces astrology's claim.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Recall we said that Jupiter is entirely at the discretion of Saturn thence Mercury for the most part via the dispositors connection, ie Jupiter in Capricorn disposited by Saturn in Virgo, disposited by Mercury at home and thus final dispositer in Gemini, Mercury's hold reinforced by that planets natural rulership of the sixth, while Iraq is Jupiter, the US Saturn, and Israel Mercury.

Are you a shill for NASA, because I think most of us here support the space program.

[X]

So...
Did anything unusual happen?

Aside from my epee breaking at the competition this morning (8th out of 10, not bad for a foilists first competition in epee), I'm not aware of anything noteworthy taking place.


Did I miss something?

[Hokulele]

The Iraqi government insisting that Blackwater be held responsible records the truth of that prediction, that the matter was raised under the auspices of this occultation reinforces astrology's claim.


Considering the Blackwater scandal broke quite some time ago, and the Iraqi government has been insisting this for a while, your predictions fail.

[The Atheist]

Hmm... why hasn't anyone brought this up yet?

"My name is Martin Timothy I live in Brisbane Australia. I am banned from... Digg, Truthnews US, Loose Change Forums, Australian Forums Online, ConCen Forum, Infowars Forum, The Smirking Chimp Forum and quite a few others."

From here (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/announcements-introductions/46838-my-name-martin-timothy.html). Bet he didn't see posting of that in his charting for the day.

Thanks for that!

I hadn't realised what a complete and utter racist he is. Some of the comments about Maori [sic] are pretty horrible, while there had at least been a bit of a guide to the anti-semitism, if not the level.

Let's hope he can soon add JREF to the list of scalps.

[Locknar]

This story from Iraq confirms the Jupiter Capricorn sixth house Sagittarius connection...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/world/middleeast/10blackwater.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin

Recall we said that Jupiter is entirely at the discretion of Saturn thence Mercury for the most part via the dispositors connection, ie Jupiter in Capricorn disposited by Saturn in Virgo, disposited by Mercury at home and thus final dispositer in Gemini, Mercury's hold reinforced by that planets natural rulership of the sixth, while Iraq is Jupiter, the US Saturn, and Israel Mercury.

The hold out situ was like the light spot on the dark side of the Tao swirl, Jupiter in the sixth with Sagittarius its sign on the cusp, despite the fact it was on the terms of those other planets certainly in the wider sphere, acting independently here and sticking to the letter of the law.

The Iraqi government insisting that Blackwater be held responsible records the truth of that prediction, that the matter was raised under the auspices of this occultation reinforces astrology's claim.Well I can see where something that happened in SEP 07 proves your point *lol*

[zenotter]

Thanks for that!

I hadn't realised what a complete and utter racist he is. Some of the comments about Maori [sic] are pretty horrible, while there had at least been a bit of a guide to the anti-semitism, if not the level.

Let's hope he can soon add JREF to the list of scalps.
At least he hasn't shown the same behavior (so far?) on this thread. Some of his other posts there (here (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/world-events/46862-israels-peace-plan-revealed.html) and here (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/world-events/46836-women-power-unsettling-interesting.html) and here (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/peak-oil-economics-environment/46905-diamonds-how-find-em.html) and here (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/world-events/46858-olympics-clean-up-chinese.html) and here (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/world-events/46902-what-happened-russia.html)) really disturbed me. I mean, medication can help with some things...

[Babylon Sister]

;3693509']So...
Did anything unusual happen?

Aside from my epee breaking at the competition this morning (8th out of 10, not bad for a foilists first competition in epee), I'm not aware of anything noteworthy taking place.


Did I miss something?


Yes! My new furniture will be delayed for a week!!!


Originally Posted by Babylon Sister
I really hope none of MT's ass-troll-ogical predictions interfer with the delivery of my new furniture tomorrow!

[Ateius]

So ...

Are we dead yet?

[Nogbad]

Apparently

[Elizabeth I]

Hmm... why hasn't anyone brought this up yet?

"My name is Martin Timothy I live in Brisbane Australia. I am banned from... Digg, Truthnews US, Loose Change Forums, Australian Forums Online, ConCen Forum, Infowars Forum, The Smirking Chimp Forum and quite a few others."

From here (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/announcements-introductions/46838-my-name-martin-timothy.html). Bet he didn't see posting of that in his charting for the day.

["Twilight Zone" theme] dee deedeedee dee deedeedee [/"Twilight Zone" theme]

wow.

[Martin Timothy]

The occultation in the fourth house triggers tectonic movement, key dispositors are in Earth signs, the cusp of the fourth where the action happens represents the depths of the Earth, thus profound astrological activity in that house should precipitate a tectonic response, MT 6 May. A rock of scientific truth in a torrent of internet spam.

The New Zealand earthquake vindicates the prediction made over a period of days from 2 May,

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_01_new_zealand_earthquake_hp.1070.2 1980.gif&res=63&va=&cid=ta2filekm8iWd-u1210551469 NZ 11 May

Checking the chart, although the occultation had been underway in the fourth house for some time the triggering event was when Jupiter hit the upper angle right on time, thus the stress from the upper transit of Jupiter, and the highly active Mars Moon occultation thru the vertical axis of the chart caused the quake.

Check to see that Jupiter in Capricorn on the cusp of the tenth, Neptune in Aquarius on the cusp of the eleventh, and Uranus in Pisces on the cusp of the twelfth, have a resonance with the Sun Venus conjunction on the second and Mercury near the cusp of the third, all produce strong aspects for occupying those places, and the Venus Mercury plus thirty degree separation, resonates with the plus thirty degree separation Saturn Mars.

Then see the one twenty degree aspects between Jupiter at twenty two Capricorn, and the Sun at twenty Taurus, and the similar one twenty degree aspect Pluto at one Capricorn to Saturn at two Virgo, in Earth signs, then the Saturn Mercury construct aspecting the cusp of the fourth, the place from whence Earthquakes occur.

[Foolmewunz]

The occultation in the fourth house triggers tectonic movement, key dispositors are in Earth signs, the cusp of the fourth where the action happens represents the depths of the Earth, thus profound astrological activity in that house should precipitate a tectonic response, MT 6 May. A rock of scientific truth in a torrent of internet spam.

The New Zealand earthquake vindicates the prediction made over a period of days from 2 May,

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_01_new_zealand_earthquake_hp.1070.2 1980.gif&res=63&va=&cid=ta2filekm8iWd-u1210551469 NZ 11 May

<snip>

No it doesn't. You never mentioned New Zealand and there are twenty quakes every single day of the year of that magnitude - somewhere on earth.

Where are the submarine launched missile strikes and marine invasions?

All this goes to prove is that you're possibly certifiable.

[X]

New Zealand has had frequent earthquakes for quite some time.

geonet.org recent New Zealand earthquakes (http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/recent_quakes.html)

Predicting one today (or tomorrow, or the next day, or the day after...) is no remarkable feat.

[arthwollipot]

:popcorn1

[fromdownunder]

The New Zealand earthquake vindicates the prediction made over a period of days from 2 May,



I have just checked the entrails of a chicken, and got confirmation from tea leaves. Here are my predictions for tomorrow:

A person will be killed in a car accident in Australia
Somebody will be murdered in the United States.
There will be people dying in Myanmar (Burma) due to a catastophe.
Somebody will post some stupid (Rule 10) on IIDB

Specific predictions. They will all come true. So my method is superior to yours. I predict the future, not the past.

Norm

[The Atheist]

No it doesn't. You never mentioned New Zealand and there are twenty quakes every single day of the year of that magnitude - somewhere on earth.

There's probably even more than that - we get swarms of them in parts of the North Island and you can get 20 in a day of that magnitude. It was one of those ones that most people don't even notice.

Brilliant that he's claiming it after all the stuff focused on the northern hemisphere - christ, he couldn't even get the right half of the entire planet.

And you'd think him being in Aussie might have meant he'd be able to predict one at the neighbour's place.

[X]

Martin Timothy, I advise you bear something in mind:

The members of this forum, as a collective, are very intelligent. Your facts will be checked for accuracy, your statements will be checked for consistency and verification of your claims will be demanded.

Assuming that we will not check things out is a very stupid thing to do.

Thus far, your "predictions" have borne no fruit. Either you have as-yet unrevealed information, or you have nothing.
Don't try to to re-interpret your claims to suit observed events when the "predictions" fail. It will not work here.

[Correa Neto]

Dude...

Your predictions were a major failure. Nothing outside the routine happened.

No massacre of natives by blackwater-type mercenaries here in Brazil. No big quake. No attack against Iran.

Now, what about a post saying something like "OK, my predictions were flawed"?

No lame attempts to explain or justify or try to convince us something happened. Just admit you were wrong.

[sophia8]

Hmm... why hasn't anyone brought this up yet?

"My name is Martin Timothy I live in Brisbane Australia. I am banned from... Digg, Truthnews US, Loose Change Forums, Australian Forums Online, ConCen Forum, Infowars Forum, The Smirking Chimp Forum and quite a few others."

From here (http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/announcements-introductions/46838-my-name-martin-timothy.html). Bet he didn't see posting of that in his charting for the day.Banned from Loose Change???:jaw-dropp
Man, that must've taken some some heavy trolling!!!!

[Locknar]

The occultation in the fourth house triggers tectonic movement, key dispositors are in Earth signs, the cusp of the fourth where the action happens represents the depths of the Earth, thus profound astrological activity in that house should precipitate a tectonic response, MT 6 May. A rock of scientific truth in a torrent of internet spam.

The New Zealand earthquake vindicates the prediction made over a period of days from 2 May,

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=astro_w2gw_01_new_zealand_earthquake_hp.1070.2 1980.gif&res=63&va=&cid=ta2filekm8iWd-u1210551469 NZ 11 May

Checking the chart, although the occultation had been underway in the fourth house for some time the triggering event was when Jupiter hit the upper angle right on time, thus the stress from the upper transit of Jupiter, and the highly active Mars Moon occultation thru the vertical axis of the chart caused the quake.

Check to see that Jupiter in Capricorn on the cusp of the tenth, Neptune in Aquarius on the cusp of the eleventh, and Uranus in Pisces on the cusp of the twelfth, have a resonance with the Sun Venus conjunction on the second and Mercury near the cusp of the third, all produce strong aspects for occupying those places, and the Venus Mercury plus thirty degree separation, resonates with the plus thirty degree separation Saturn Mars.

Then see the one twenty degree aspects between Jupiter at twenty two Capricorn, and the Sun at twenty Taurus, and the similar one twenty degree aspect Pluto at one Capricorn to Saturn at two Virgo, in Earth signs, then the Saturn Mercury construct aspecting the cusp of the fourth, the place from whence Earthquakes occur.Funny you claim to have predicted the minor quake in NZ….yet missed the much more significant one in China.

No matter how to try and twist it, your predictions were total misses...only showing that astrology is a failed system of no value.

[Foolmewunz]

Funny you claim to have predicted the minor quake in NZ….yet missed the much more significant one in China.

No matter how to try and twist it, your predictions were total misses...only showing that astrology is a failed system of no value.

Yup!

What about it Martin? How did the great kameenono, god of the heavenly firmament, miss this? 5000 dead (and rising) - a 7.8 quake and at least three after-shocks over 5.8, with 10,000 injured.

Oh, and it happened in an area with 110,000,000 inhabitants.

Were the planets busy working on soccer results with Uri Geller?

[Foolmewunz]

I fearlessly predict, with no lien on the million since it's a slam-dunk, that MT will be here within 12 hours, posting not less than two hundred words of iconoclastic nonsense, claiming that this fits right in with the predictions he made.

[Locknar]

I fearlessly predict, with no lien on the million since it's a slam-dunk, that MT will be here within 12 hours, posting not less than two hundred words of iconoclastic nonsense, claiming that this fits right in with the predictions he made.I was going to make the same prediction :)

[sts60]

Like Dutch claiming the release of three smoke detectors' worth of radiation from a Japanese fission plant as a significant nuclear event? Yep, that sounds about right. Cherry-picking a commonplace event is essential for purveyors of such pseudoscientific gibberish.

Never mind that he couldn't predict the significant events like the earthquake in China or the cyclone in Burma. Never mind that his only significant and specific claims failed. Never mind that he spectacularly failed to address the challenges to how any of it is supposed to work, let alone the glaring self-contradictions in the whole business. In the woo-woo world, one cherry-picks from the daily menu of the commonplace and serenely continues to serve up the drivel in heaping quantities.

[Darth Rotor]

Martin, the seismic prediction you made for US left coast failed. See seismic activity here:
Date|Time|Richter|Region|Nation|Locale
10.05.2008 | 22:57:05|3.4 |Asia |Turkey |Karaman
10.05.2008 | 21:27:11 |4.7 |Indonesian archipelago|Indonesia |Lampisang
10.05.2008 | 21:17:33 |3.1 |Asia |Turkey |Ac?dere
10.05.2008 | 11:11:58 |3.0 |Asia |Turkey |Ya?c?lar
10.05.2008 | 09:35:26 |3.3 |Asia |Turkey |Si?ac?k
10.05.2008 | 08:02:36 |3.2 |Europe |Greece |Dótia
The US Left Coast remained unshaken on May 10, 2008.

Two days later, China took a facial, thousands dead.
Date|Time|Richter|Region|Nation|Locale
12.05.2008 | 06:28:04| 7.8 |Asia |China | Chengdu
12.05.2008 | 06:27:59 |7.8 |Asia| China | Wolongguan
US a bit later got a little shake.
date|time|Richter|Region|Nation|Locale
12.05.2008 | 12:50:34 |5.2 |North-America |USA |McCord Alaska
12.05.2008 | 12:50:31 |5.3 |North-America |USA | McCord Alaska

Your predictive model sucks harder than a vacuum cleaner on vinyl upholstery.

DR

[I Ratant]

Yeah, it's still only 2500' down to the beach, but the beach is still 100 miles away, not right out front as promised.
I am SO disappointed!
And the total coverup of the nuclear strikes
That IS something to contemplate.
Didn't even make Faux Noise.

[Hokulele]

Hey! I was the one making earthquake predictions! MT never mentioned them until I brought it up. I demand, DEMAND, equal derision for failed predictions. :sulk:

[I Ratant]

Hey! I was the one making earthquake predictions! MT never mentioned them until I brought it up. I demand, DEMAND, equal derision for failed predictions. :sulk:
.
OK!
Since there won't be any half-clad jiggling bouncing beach bunnies running thru my property to get to the beach, "FIE!" I say "FIE! on you!"

[Foolmewunz]

I think I'm getting closer to figuring out the methodology, here.

At breakfast, when the energy of the sun god is at it strongest through my eastern window, I will, one at a time, finger-catapult my Lucky Charms* onto a map of the world. The green ones that stick will be military actions. The blue ones will be financial crises, and the yellow ones will be natural disasters.

MT probably used the same methods, because I, too, come up with a massive conflict along the US west coast. Wait, that's not a green clover...

Oh, sorry, that was a booger.:spjimlad::spjimlad::spjimlad:

*Maybe I got it wrong. Everyone knows that the breakfast of astrological predictions is Fruit Loops.

[Hokulele]

Well, MT can now add one more notch to his asteroidal belt.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3699072#post3699072

Darn, I was hoping to see how well I would do head to head against him with the next transit of Venus.


ETA: And Foolmewunz is also a loser in the prediction game. See post #217. Heh.

[wollery]

ETA: And Foolmewunz is also a loser.Corrected that for you.





:duck:

[Hokulele]

Corrected that for you.


Eh, at least he is cute, so he is not a complete loser. :cool:

[Foolmewunz]

Hey, I came in this thread to eat my crow. But nooooo, you vultures gotta beat a poor hard-working shipping guy to the opportunity.

I go off to a meeting and Darat has one of the most productive half-hours, ever.... Not just MT, but LastChild!

I feel like they're taking away all my playthings.

[Locknar]

And now it's over....

[Nogbad]

Funny you claim to have predicted the minor quake in NZ….yet missed the much more significant one in China.

No matter how to try and twist it, your predictions were total misses...only showing that astrology is a failed system of no value.

To be fair the kiwi fruit/chinese gooseberry nexus prolly threw his cusps


or something else.

[arthwollipot]

And I notice not a peep from MT since zero hour passed. Wow, who could have predicted that?

[Foolmewunz]

And I notice not a peep from MT since zero hour passed. Wow, who could have predicted that?

Pssst. He's been banned.

[arthwollipot]

Pssst. He's been banned.Oh.

Well, who could have predicted that?

[zenotter]

Oh.

Well, who could have predicted that?
Duh, everyone but MT?

ETA: Well, maybe he could've predicted it, since it's happened a few times...

[arthwollipot]

Great. So now we've fed into yet another woo's martyr complex.

"Oh, I've been banned from all these places because they couldn't handle the truth!"

Give me a break.

[I Ratant]

As they say, "Insanity is doing the same thing time after time and expecting a different result".
These poor schlumpfs can't help it, I guess.

[jmontecillo01]

Great, now I wouldn't know what happened after he met God.

After this flogging I am lying in bed when I hear a voice calling my name …Martin
I don't answer. Again I hear my name called and again I don't answer, he calls my name again…
I say …who’s that,
He says …God.
Next night I am laying in bed the same voice as the previous night calls …Martin.
I say …you said you were God,
He says …I am.
I say …you’re God,
He says …yes.
I say …you are actually God,
He says …yes.
I say …I hear voices all the time, they are not God,
He says …they're not,
I say …but you are,
He says …yes.

[arthwollipot]

Why is it that when I say that God talks to me I get shut into a psychiatric ward, but when Pat Robertson says God talks to him he gets on TV?