Raptureready.com Commentary for Oct. 6-Israel on the Brink

[billiefan2000]

Say what is your comments on the Nearing Midnight latest commentary


at:

http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.html

and what do you agree or disagree with cause I would love to hear your thoughts on what is said.

[hgc]

From the first paragraph:As sure as the sun is rising, the unrest in Israel is destined to reach a new level of instability. The most obvious indicator is the fact that Israel currently is not in the headlines. Because the Bible predicts that during the end times the Jewish state will be at the center of attention, it would be foolish for the world media to reassign their reporters to other locations.So, wow. The Bible predicts that Israel will be in the headlines, and this article says it's not (I don't agree). So how is this manipulated into meaning that it really is the end-times? Help me understand....

A) RR says: Bible says Israel will be center of attention in end-times.
B) RR says: Isreal is not in the headlines currently.
C) RR says: B is evidence of A.

To my reading B is the opposite of A. How does it constitute evidence? C is evidence that the author of this article is in the end-times of his own sanity and judgement. But worse, and I've said this before billiefan, you are your lot are really hot for the end of the world. I find this incredibly dangerous, as the rest of us are trying to make this a better place for us and our decendents.

[billiefan2000]

You forget that the bible says there has to be 1000 yr. reign of Christ on earth after the 2nd coming before the world will end.

Plus after the 1000 Year Reign of Christ on earth,there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth cause the old heaven and old earth shall pass away.

As someone who thinks we are doomsday nuts,maybe you should read Revelation Chapters 20 and 21 before calling any Christian Doomsday Nuts.


Secondly,we are waiting for the rapture of the Church to happen.

When that day happens,Millions of people will be Rapture off this planet to Heaven in a twinkling of a eye.

by the way HGC,since you are such a expert,have you read the stuff that is at:

http://www.raptureready.com


We arent Doomsday Nuts,we are just telling people what is coming and trying to bring people to Jesus.

That dont make us Doomsday Nuts,that makes us modern day Paul Revere's.

[Pahansiri]

Not really worth going past the first paragraph as it contains, I will not say a lie as perhaps he/ the writer just does own a TV, radio or read a paper or own a computer etc.

As sure as the sun is rising, the unrest in Israel is destined to reach a new level of instability. The most obvious indicator is the fact that Israel currently is not in the headlines. Because the Bible predicts that during the end times the Jewish state will be at the center of attention, it would be foolish for the world media to reassign their reporters to other locations.

say what?
:confused: :eek:

[hgc]

billiefan,

Well, let's see. I guess my first problem is that I don't think Revelation is the revealed word of God, so right from the get-go we have a context gap between us.

You and the rest of the current doomsdayers (nicer term than doomsday nut) are just more in a long, long, long tradition of doomsdayers (Revelation-based). So I have plenty of examples of failed rapture predictions.

I won't get into the specific inconsistencies between Revelation and the current rapture scenario right now, for lack of time, but tell me this: would you give any credence to my viewpoint on this anyway, based on my above declaration of non-belief?

Please do address, if you wish, the basic logic problem presented by the first paragraph of the article you linked to, as as pointed out by me in the previous post.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
You forget that the bible says there has to be 1000 yr. reign of Christ on earth after the 2nd coming before the world will end.

Plus after the 1000 Year Reign of Christ on earth,there will be a New Heaven and a New Earth cause the old heaven and old earth shall pass away.

As someone who thinks we are doomsday nuts,maybe you should read Revelation Chapters 20 and 21 before calling any Christian Doomsday Nuts.


Secondly,we are waiting for the rapture of the Church to happen.

When that day happens,Millions of people will be Rapture off this planet to Heaven in a twinkling of a eye.

by the way HGC,since you are such a expert,have you read the stuff that is at:

http://www.raptureready.com


We arent Doomsday Nuts,we are just telling people what is coming and trying to bring people to Jesus.

That dont make us Doomsday Nuts,that makes us modern day Paul Revere's.

Nope, you are doomsday nuts. There has not been a time from the 1st century to the present that some group of doomsday nuts hasn't been pointing to the events in the world and saying "See! That's exactly what the bible says is going to happen just before the end of the world!". Just to hit a couple of the highlights, the Flaggellants pointed to the Black Death as a sign of the apocalypse, the precursor to the Jehovahs Witnesses pointed to WWI as a precursor to the apocolypse, now you guys point to the middle east as a precursor to the apocalypse. It's nothing new, but pardon me if I remain unconvinced that your proof is any better than theirs.

Pick up a history book and read it sometime.

[billiefan2000]

Luke and Daniel and Ezekiel and John and Mark and Matthew and Isaiah all have "doomsday passages" so to Revelation is the only bible area that has Prophecy in it shows you are wrong.

To deny that Revelation is a book of the bible is Insipred by GOD and saying it isnt really something Christians should care about would mean that we have to disgard the book of Luke and Daniel and Ezekiel and John and Mark and Matthew and Isaiah plus numerous others in bith the Old and New Testaments.

You forget that over 1/3 is filled with Prophecy whether it be the new or Old Testaments.


Too say Christians shouldnt care about the Book of Revelation means Christians shouldnt read the book of Daniel or Isiah or Luke or others with Prophecy in it either.

[Pahansiri]

Billiefan

Millions and millions of Christians have died of old age declaring the end was near, Christ was about to return.

As we can see from the Bible passages below he said he would be back only days after his resurrection and return to heaven.



"When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly I tell you, [b]you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." (Matthew 10:23)

[b]"I tell you the truth, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28)

"Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power." (Mark 9:1)

"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take place." (Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30)

"So also, when you see these things happening: know that the kingdom of God is near. In truth I tell you, before this generation has passed away all will have taken place." (Luke 21:31-32)

"For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have died. For the Lord himself ... will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air; and so we will be with the Lord forever." (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)

"I am coming soon! I am indeed coming soon!" (Revelation 22:12, 2O)

My friend either he lied or the writers were mistaken either way this rapture and return event was to take place over 2000 years ago.

I also know this will fall on deaf ears. I hope you are well my friend.

[hgc]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Luke and Daniel and Ezekiel and John and Mark and Matthew and Isaiah all have "doomsday passages" so to Revelation is the only bible area that has Prophecy in it shows you are wrong.

To deny that Revelation is a book of the bible is Insipred by GOD and saying it isnt really something Christians should care about would mean that we have to disgard the book of Luke and Daniel and Ezekiel and John and Mark and Matthew and Isaiah plus numerous others in bith the Old and New Testaments.

You forget that over 1/3 is filled with Prophecy whether it be the new or Old Testaments.


Too say Christians shouldnt care about the Book of Revelation means Christians shouldnt read the book of Daniel or Isiah or Luke or others with Prophecy in it either. Yes, thanks for pointing that Revelation is not the only doomsday prediction book in the Bible. They've ALL failed to come to pass so far, despite the "sure signs" seen by doomsdayers throughout history.

I can agree that in order to call yourself Christian, you might oughta believe that the Bible is the revealed word of God. Otherwise, what'ya got? But then, I'm not going to judge who's a Christian and who isn't. I'll leave the judging to you.

[Nyarlathotep]

In case anyone is interested here is a lengthy list of failed doomsday prophecies, I am certain that all of the people who made these predictions were just as certain as Billiefan that they were right.

It's the end of the world as we know it...again! (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/index.html)

[Cinorjer]

There are nations fighting over the Middle East. Gee, what a surprise.

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by hgc
Yes, thanks for pointing that Revelation is not the only doomsday prediction book in the Bible. They've ALL failed to come to pass so far, despite the "sure signs" seen by doomsdayers throughout history.

I can agree that in order to call yourself Christian, you might oughta believe that the Bible is the revealed word of God. Otherwise, what'ya got? But then, I'm not going to judge who's a Christian and who isn't. I'll leave the judging to you.

hgc,you are welcome.

1. That is the problem with those who attack the Book of revelation is that many of the attackers forget many other books in the new and old testaments have Prophecy in them (some of which have been fulfilled,some of which have yet to be) such as Daniel 9:27 and Revelation 13:15-18 among others.

I am not into judging,the problem is many people call themsleves Christians cause they think it is hip.


if Osama Bin Laden wanted to avoid being killed(assuming he is still alive and is ever captured alive) by the USA he could say he is a Born Again Christian.

Being a Christian means you believe Jesus is the Son of God and that he died on a cross and rose again 3 days later to pay for you and me and everyone else on this planet's sins.


being a Christian and calling yourself one are two different things.


Benny Hinn calls himself a Christian,and yet he threatens his enemies and cons gullible people out of money by claiming he can heal them.

Does anyone in the sane mind think Benny Hinn is a Christian.

No way,and furthermore,if Hinn could heal people:

He should heal Christopher Reeve and others who cant walk and give Reeve and others the ability to walk again

or:

heal Janet Reno and Michael J. Fox and countless others in the USA of their Parkinson's but yet Hinn refuses to.


Sylvia Browne says she can predict the future and is in into all sorts of new age crap and yet she calls herself a Christian.

Does that make it true since she said it.


Being a Christian means you believe Jesus is the Son of GOD and you believe he died for your sins and you put your faith in Jesus.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Cinorjer
There are nations fighting over the Middle East. Gee, what a surprise.

And it's not even a new thing. Nations have been fighting over the MIddle East for centuries. Yet somehow a lot of these fundies look at it like it's a new development.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by billiefan2000


hgc,you are welcome.

1. That is the problem with those who attack the Book of revelation is that many of the attackers forget many other books in the new and old testaments have Prophecy in them (some of which have been fulfilled,some of which have yet to be) such as Daniel 9:27 and Revelation 13:15-18 among others.

I am not into judging,the problem is many people call themsleves Christians cause they think it is hip.


if Osama Bin Laden wanted to avoid being killed(assuming he is still alive and is ever captured alive) by the USA he could say he is a Born Again Christian.

Being a Christian means you believe Jesus is the Son of God and that he died on a cross and rose again 3 days later to pay for you and me and everyone else on this planet's sins.


being a Christian and calling yourself one are two different things.


Benny Hinn calls himself a Christian,and yet he threatens his enemies and cons gullible people out of money by claiming he can heal them.

Does anyone in the sane mind think Benny Hinn is a Christian.

No way,and furthermore,if Hinn could heal people:

He should heal Christopher Reeve and others who cant walk and give Reeve and others the ability to walk again

or:

heal Janet Reno and Michael J. Fox and countless others in the USA of their Parkinson's but yet Hinn refuses to.


Sylvia Browne says she can predict the future and is in into all sorts of new age crap and yet she calls herself a Christian.

Does that make it true since she said it.


Being a Christian means you believe Jesus is the Son of GOD and you believe he died for your sins and you put your faith in Jesus.

I am not into judging

It is clear you are not into telling the truth.

[Marquis de Carabas]

Being a Christian means you believe Jesus is the Son of God and that he died on a cross and rose again 3 days later to pay for you and me and everyone else on this planet's sins.


being a Christian and calling yourself one are two different things.


Benny Hinn calls himself a Christian,and yet he threatens his enemies and cons gullible people out of money by claiming he can heal them.

By your own criteria, this tells us nothing about Benny's Christianity or lack thereof. To show he is not a Christian (again, by your own criteria), you need to show
A. He does not believe Jesus is the Son of God and/or
B. He does not believe said Jesus died on a cross and rose...

Show the above, or change your criteria, or accept the fact that Benny is a Christian.

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Say what is your comments on the Nearing Midnight latest commentary at ... and what do you agree or disagree with cause I would love to hear your thoughts on what is said.

from article
As sure as the sun is rising, the unrest in Israel is destined to reach a new level of instability. The most obvious indicator is the fact that Israel currently is not in the headlines.


Gee whiz I'd sure like to know what papers you're reading. Not any from around here or what I've seen on the 'net.

Isreal is always on the brink of something or other, and so are you and I.

[triadboy]

Originally posted by billiefan2000

Benny Hinn calls himself a Christian,and yet he threatens his enemies and cons gullible people out of money by claiming he can heal them.

Do Our Pets Go to Heaven?

People who have lost pets know the heartbreak. I've written a sizable booklet on the subject because my family has lost pets, and many, many have asked me this question: "Do Our Pets Go to Heaven?" I must ask $8, which includes postage, etc. Send check/money order to:

Billiefan - this is from the link you provided. It looks like this gentleman is trying to bilk people who have lost pets out of $8. Why doesn't he just give us the answer and ease our minds? (Everyone knows animals don't have souls, right?)

[Correa Neto]

Show me, please, a prophecy from any part of the Bible that turned out to be correct. A convincent one. Not vague allegations about eagles, fire in the sky, burning towers, etc.

BTW, what evidences you have that the Bible do carry the word of God, and not say, the Koran, an Aztec sacred text or even something else?

[Some Friggin Guy]

Originally posted by Correa Neto
BTW, what evidences you have that the Bible do carry the word of God, and not say, the Koran, an Aztec sacred text or even something else?

Ummm....it says so in the bible?

[Cinorjer]

You know, I've had many conversations with the Fundamentalists, including a mother who sprinkles every conversation with "You know Jesus is coming soon, don't you?" Arguing with them is useless, and I am as familiar with the Bible as they are. They mine the Bible for any sentence that can be taken out of context and twisted to become a prophesy of the end times, pick through world events for news items that can also be twisted to fit their beliefs, and think this is something that should impress people.

The sad part is, this shows they have no understanding of what Jesus was trying to teach. Theirs is a religion of punishment and revenge, drenched in blood and with a gleeful anticipation of being proved right all along while they watch their enemies being frogmarched to eternal torment. Jesus was also vexed with people obsessed with the Day of Judgement, and tried to tell them that salvation was a personal journey of rebirth and forgiveness, not a matter of being on the winning side.

Alas, nothing has or will change. A few will have ears to hear, while most will continue looking for a Savior that's going to arrive some day and teach all those heathens and atheists a lesson.

[a_unique_person]

I am not into judging,the problem is many people call themsleves Christians cause they think it is hip.




But you did exactly that Billie. You don't judge, but, you judge.

[Tricky]

Can anybody give us a firm date on this "rapture"? See, my landlord is Christian and I want to know if I need to pay my rent this month.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by Tricky
Can anybody give us a firm date on this "rapture"? See, my landlord is Christian and I want to know if I need to pay my rent this month.

Hello my friend.

As to your landlord you better check with billiefan to see if he is a "real" Christian or not seems he is in charge of judging such things.

[a_unique_person]

Just do what I do, wait until they send the Sherrif around to evict you, then plead insanity, pay him whatever it takes to get him to go away, and wait for the next chapter in the saga.

See, we have Sherrifs too, only they don't wear cowboy boots and say 'howdy pardner'.

[diddidit]

Originally posted by billiefan2000

We arent Doomsday Nuts,we are just telling people what is coming and trying to bring people to Jesus.

That dont make us Doomsday Nuts,that makes us modern day Paul Revere's.

I refer you to this site:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/index.html

Now, what makes RR's claims of impending "end times" any more credible than those made previously by hundreds (if not thousands) of people and groups, both Christian and otherwise?

If something happens that resembles an event described in Revelations, is it a prophecy fulfilled - or simple coincidence? Is it even possible to tell the difference?

did

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by diddidit


I refer you to this site:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/index.html

Now, what makes RR's claims of impending "end times" any more credible than those made previously by hundreds (if not thousands) of people and groups, both Christian and otherwise?

If something happens that resembles an event described in Revelations, is it a prophecy fulfilled - or simple coincidence? Is it even possible to tell the difference?

did

Ironically, I posted a link to this same site about 15 posts up.

[diddidit]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


Ironically, I posted a link to this same site about 15 posts up.

My link was better. Phooey on you.

:p

did

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by diddidit


My link was better. Phooey on you.

:p

did

That's okay, two links doubles the chance that Billiefan will see it and click on it and therefore realize the point.

Of course 2x0=0, but whatcha gonna do?

[diddidit]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


That's okay, two links doubles the chance that Billiefan will see it and click on it and therefore realize the point.

Of course 2x0=0, but whatcha gonna do?

Can we post it infinitely? Does infinity x 0 = something? Jeff might object to the bandwidth abuse, though.

did

[jan]

Originally posted by diddidit


Does infinity x 0 = something?


Depends on context. In measure theory, for example, ∞x0 has a meaning: it is 0.

[phildonnia]

In Gen 26:4 it says that Isaac's descendants will be as numerous as the stars.

So until that happens, I wouldn't worry about the end.

[Marquis de Carabas]

There were a lot fewer stars back then. :D

[Yahweh]

A few false prophecies:


Genesis

God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17. The Serpeant never lies.


Exodus

God promises to cast out many nations including the Canaanites and the Jebusites. But he was unable to fulfill his promise. 33:2


Deuteronomy (no doubt the best book of the bible)

God promises to cast out seven nations including the Amorites, Canaanites, and the Jebusites. But he was unable to fulfill his promise. 7:1


Joshua

God promises to give Joshua all of the land that his "foot shall tread upon." He says that none of the people he encounters will be able to resist him. But later we find that God didn't keep his promise, and that many tribes withstood Joshua's attempt to steal their land. 1:3-5


Judges

God promised many times that he would drive out all the inhabitants of the lands they encountered. But these verses show that God failed to keep his promise since he was unable to drive out the Canaanites. 1:21, 27-30

Those Canaanites are tough stuff, arent they?


2 Samuel

God says that Solomon's kingdom will last forever. It didn't of course. It was entirely destroyed about 400 years after Solomon's death, never to be rebuilt. 7:13, 16


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Skipping a few books of the bible...
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Matthew

The prophecy given in Is.7:14 referred not to a virgin but to a young woman, living at the time of the prophecy. And Jesus, of course, was called Jesus -- and is not called Emmanuel in any verse in the New Testament. 1:23 (I've always had a feeling that the virgin birth and the star of Bethleham was written simply as a fairytale to fulfill a prophecy from Isaiah).

Matthew claims that Jesus' birth in Bethlehem fulfils the prophecy in Micah 5:2. But this is unlikely for two reasons.
* "Bethlehem Ephratah" in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb's second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chr.2:18, 2:50-52, 4:4).
* The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from Micah 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did.

It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda" rather than "Bethlehem Ephratah" as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make the verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan. 2:5-6

The devil correctly quotes scripture (Ps.91:11-12), while Jesus misquotes Deuteronomy by adding "only" to Dt.6:13. 4:6, 10 (Again, the serpeant never lies).

Jesus is a false prophet, since he predicts that the end of the world will come within the lifetimes of his disciples. The world of course didn't end then, and according to Ec.1:4 it never will end. 24:34


Mark

Jesus falsely prophesies that the end of the world will come within his listeners' lifetimes. 9:1

Jesus shows that he is a false prophet by predicting his return and the end of the world within the lifetime of his listeners. 13:30


John

Verse 33 says that during Jesus' crucifixion, the soldiers didn't break his legs because he was already dead. Verse 36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: "Not a bone of him shall be broken." But there is no such prophecy. It is sometimes said that the prophecy appears in Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12 and Psalm 34:20. This is not correct. Exodus 12:46 and Numbers 9:12 are not prophecies, they are commandments. The Israelites are told not to break the bones of the Passover lamb, and this is all it is about. And Psalm 34:20 seems to refer to righteous people in general (see verse 19, where a plural is used), not to make a prophecy about a specific person. 19:33, 36

(Source: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html)


Sure, SAB may not be held in high regard by most skeptics (or myself), but hey, its a quick reference source.

[neutrino_cannon]

Originally posted by Yahweh

Sure, SAB may not be held in high regard by most skeptics (or myself), but hey, its a quick reference source.

It isn't?

[Quinn]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
To deny that Revelation is a book of the bible is Insipred by GOD [...] would mean that we have to disgard the book of Luke and Daniel and Ezekiel and John and Mark and Matthew and Isaiah plus numerous others...

Exactly. Starting with Genesis, Exodous, Levitations, Numerology, Duteroscopy, etc., all the way through the end. Now you're getting the point.

Quinn

[the_ignored]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


That's okay, two links doubles the chance that Billiefan will see it and click on it and therefore realize the point.

Of course 2x0=0, but whatcha gonna do?

Here's a link (http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1227215#post1227215) I found, that I'm sure billiefan will love! Since it's on his pet site, they can't ignore it!

[the_ignored]

:mad: :rolleyes:

[the_ignored]

And, on a relevant note:

From my frame of thinking it is so obvious that the one true God of the Holy Bible exists that I don't feel it is badgering to support the truth on a secular message board. Now if someone comes to a Christian message board to try to change peoples belief in God When they know he exists I would consider that badgering.

I love the double-standard's justification here. I at least know that what I do on religous boards IS badgering. Also, hopefully a little persuading.

Then there's the assumption that atheists "know God exists"!
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?postid=1216938#post1216938

Anyway, this may give an insight as to why they come here, and get so mad when we go there.