"Eliminating Christianity" in Laos

[billiefan2000]

http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s03100032.htm

[Nyarlathotep]

Yep, it's a terrible thing. It just goes to prove what a dangerous thing fanaticism can be, whether it is religious, political or otherwise.

[billiefan2000]

I agree and regardles of who are why people are bing perseuted anywhere whether it be in Laos or in the USA,there should Public Outrage.

The thing we forget is that just because bad treatment is happening to someone many 1000's of miles away,doesnt mean we shouldnt care or be outraged.

We should scream as loud as possible and bring public attention to these human rights abuses regardless of who is being mistreated anywhere.



By the way the Corrupt Leaders of Iran and Saudi Arabia and Syria and Belarus and thers some in those countries prove your point what a dangerous thing fanaticism can be, whether it is religious, political or otherwise.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I agree and regardles of who are why people are bing perseuted anywhere whether it be in Laos or in the USA,there should Public Outrage.

The thing we forget is that just because bad treatment is happening to someone many 1000's of miles away,doesnt mean we shouldnt care or be outraged.

We should scream as loud as possible and bring public attention to these human rights abuses regardless of who is being mistreated anywhere.



By the way the Corrupt Leaders of Iran and Saudi Arabia and Syria and Belarus and thers some in those countries prove your point what a dangerous thing fanaticism can be, whether it is religious, political or otherwise.

For a change, I agree with you 100%. The ethical problem is, though, whether or not it is the job of the U.S. to be the worlds policeman. Even if ones point of view is that it IS our job, often it isn't clear whether our involvement wouldn't put someone who is worse than the current regime into power. Just look at our difficulties in Iraq at the moment. Saddam was a monster, right now radical Islamic elements are getting a lot of support in the country. Some of these don't seem a whole lot different than the Taliban. It just goes to show that there are never any easy choices in matters such as these.

[neutrino_cannon]

Just an excuse to shoot the hmong if you ask me.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s03100032.htm

How awful!! No one should be persecuted for their beliefs. We are blessed to live in the states......although I do wish things were a bit more easier and open for Atheists.

[Some Friggin Guy]

I agree and regardles of who are why people are bing perseuted anywhere whether it be in Laos or in the USA,there should Public Outrage.

The thing we forget is that just because bad treatment is happening to someone many 1000's of miles away,doesnt mean we shouldnt care or be outraged.

We should scream as loud as possible and bring public attention to these human rights abuses regardless of who is being mistreated anywhere.

I wonder, Billie...

How do you feel about the messages and philosophies of Fred Phelps?

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Some Friggin Guy
I wonder, Billie...

How do you feel about the messages and philosophies of Fred Phelps?

What does one kook with a tiny following and a big mouth have to do with state sponsored oppression and murder of religious minorities?

Come on man, I know it's fun to drag out Phelps at every turn, but it's getting as old as the Stalin and Hilter boogie men. :rolleyes:

[Some Friggin Guy]

Actually, it has nothing to do with what's happening in Laos, but it does have everything to do with establishing Billie's credibility.

He says we should be outraged against those trying to take away human rights.

If he agrees with Phelps, then I don't take anything he says seriously.

What is going on in Laos is a truly terrible and frightening thing, and we should be outraged at it. We should also be outraged at Phelps and his ilk, the Taliban, and anyone ELSE who condones that kind of oppression.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Some Friggin Guy
If he agrees with Phelps, then I don't take anything he says seriously.

So if someone agrees with Phelps, and says things like "the Sun is yellow" and "the Holocaust happened," you don't believe them?

[Some Friggin Guy]

Okay, let's not get silly. If someone truly feels that we should be outraged over all forms of oppression, then they need to be outraged over all forms of oppression.

Admittedly, there is little to no actual connection between the Laosian government's policy and that of Phelps, except that if Phelps had his way, there would be.

Personally, like I said, I find what is happening in Laos ot be morally outrageous. But I feel the same way about Phelps, the taliban, etc. They all opress people and they all deserve my ire.

The point I am trying to mak eis this: One cannot credibly speak out against one form of oppression while condoning another.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Some Friggin Guy
The point I am trying to mak eis this: One cannot credibly speak out against one form of oppression while condoning another.

But Phillips isn't oppressing anybody, the Loatian is. I don't do a lot of complaining about Neo-Nazi's for the same reason. Protesting and harassing people by a small group is very different from government sponsored imprisonment or murder.

And before this goes to far, billie is a pain in the a** with an agenda, but throwing up kooks like Phelps in his face all the time doesn't really prove anything if he's never espoused support for him.

[Some Friggin Guy]

I never said he did support Phelps. I asked if he did.


Now, you are right. There is a distinct difference. That difference is merely the number of people following the kook.


I didn't mean to imply that Billie followed Phelps. I apologize that it came out sounding like I did. I asked because I am curious.

And I asked because I have found in real life, a pattern amoung those who cry out against oppression. Not just Christians, but everyone.

I have known gays who cry out for gay rights (equal rights, not special rights) who would look at the story in Laos and say "serves them right". I am wondering in Billie is the same way. That is all.

[Zep]

There's always another side to the story (http://www.ptb.be/scripts/article.phtml?section=A3AAABBO&obid=9566). Maybe a model of doublespeak, but it's also official and dated long before billifan's little outbreak.

I, too, have problems with "missionaries" trying to force their external religions on other people, forcing them to give up their own ethnic religions. Try looking at it from the Laotian point of view for a change...