Jack Chick's New Tract

[RandFan]

Moving on up (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1041/1041_01.asp?wpc=1041_01.asp).

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1240/chick2bi3.jpg

[slingblade]

And certain people's notions of Christianity do away with truth.

That man definitely needs more cowbell.

Right upside his head.

[Pauliesonne]

Bollocks.

[Safe-Keeper]

There's a thread on this already. But yes, that's some crazy ****.

[Finnegan]

Yes, now if one is going to try humour then it's never best to end with a little boy being kicked into eternal suffering.

Fudging Blunt.

[Silentknight]

I've always wondered how it is that Jack Chick is able to draw without opposable thumbs.

[Paulhoff]

Moving on up (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1041/1041_01.asp?wpc=1041_01.asp).

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1240/chick2bi3.jpg

Don't you guys get it, it is OK to lie for your so-called god, the ends justify the means.

Paul

:) :) :)

I thought you guys where smart :D

[Safe-Keeper]

Bible-believers' morals are just as arbitrary and society-defined as those of atheists. It's naive of them to to think otherwise.

The day you can show me a Bible-believer who follows the Bible to the letter and doesn't arbitrarily pick and choose and subjectively interpret... you'll have a point. Otherwise, most of them are just as prone to free-thinking and change as the rest of us.

[slingblade]

No. The point is that evolution has nothing to do with morals, and you're stupid if you think the only reason you don't kick cats or rape babies is because InvisiSkyDaddy gave you a moral compass.

If only he'd included the Secret Decoder Ring....

[Abdul Alhazred]

Here is my review. I try to review these as they come out.

http://skepticalcommunity.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=373304#373304



Moderator, please remove or merge the other thread.

[Beerina]

I like the last panel, where Chick at least admits the god he worships is going to throw billions into the lake of fire, if for no other reason than they believe we evolved.

Yet he still thinks we should worship this thug.

[Silentknight]

Okay. So Jack Chick believes that the creator of the universe loves him, pays attention to every detail of how he thinks or lives his life, answers his prayers, will eternally reward him in paradise, will eternally punish everyone who isn't like him in hell, and that his beliefs derived from ancient scripture will remain the most concrete verdict on reality until the end of time... And he calls atheists arrogant.

Yeah. :rolleyes:

[Ian Osborne]

I like the last panel, where Chick at least admits the god he worships is going to throw billions into the lake of fire, if for no other reason than they believe we evolved.

Yet he still thinks we should worship this thug.

Quite. So much for religion's moral compass...

[Gevaudan]

That's hilarious - morals are rooted in our evolutionary heritage. And people wonder why atheists are "arrogant". How could you not be, when this is the competing worldview?

[RandFan]

Why the hell is the mother gardening and taking the time to teach her son? Why isn't she out killing and stealing?

[joobz]

Why the hell is the mother gardening and taking the time to teach her son? Why isn't she out killing and stealing?
She's not gardening. She's burying her most recent victim.

[Safe-Keeper]

Why the hell is the mother gardening and taking the time to teach her son?I wondered the exact same thing.

[Darth Rotor]

I like the last panel, where Chick at least admits the god he worships is going to throw billions into the lake of fire, if for no other reason than they believe we evolved.

Yet he still thinks we should worship this thug.
Try this take on your scenario.

God loves unconditionally. He loves Satan, who is stuck in Hell. (They have this falling out thing, and love can't be forced. ) He loves Satan so much he doesn't want him to be lonely. So, he provides for Satan to have company with like minded people who can't stand God.

Maybe God's not such a sonofabiscuit afterall, Beerina.

DR

[Darth Rotor]

Why the hell is the mother gardening and taking the time to teach her son? Why isn't she out killing and stealing?
1. Sloth

2. (She's got to pay the rent, so she's growing a few acres of herb for tax free income. ;) )

[Tricky]

Try this take on your scenario.

God loves unconditionally. He loves Satan, who is stuck in Hell. (They have this falling out thing, and love can't be forced. ) He loves Satan so much he doesn't want him to be lonely. So, he provides for Satan to have company with like minded people who can't stand God.

Maybe God's not such a sonofabiscuit afterall, Beerina.

You'd think he'd provide them with a little better clubroom for them to chum around in. I hear the one they've got now has a little problem with the air conditioning.

[Paulhoff]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_4880481f104ccaf53.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12044)

Paul

:) :) :)

[Nogbad]

It is a spectacularly bad tract - but hardly very challenging. These things always put the words he would like non-believers to say into their mouths. In real life of course the conversations never work out that way.

I thought many churches had stopped using this chap's stuff because of the crude intellectual approach.

[Darth Rotor]

You'd think he'd provide them with a little better clubroom for them to chum around in. I hear the one they've got now has a little problem with the air conditioning.
Tricky, I have faith in skeptics of a scientific bent being able to use science to figure out how to solve that challenge, even in non corporeal forms. Their problem is all the lawyers in Hell who'll sue them as soon as something breaks. ;)

DR

[Safe-Keeper]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r292/safe-keeper/Tylah.jpg
:D

[kedo1981]

Is everybody seeing the trend to point a racism finger at atheism when ever they can.
I mean nearly every time a “thumper” says the word evolution they shove in the racism charge. Were all the people in the confederacy atheists, the bible has been use to justify those practices for centuries, It’s science that revealed that all people are the same.

[sophia8]

Why the hell is the mother gardening and taking the time to teach her son? Why isn't she out killing and stealing?Or sacrificing puppies in lesbian witchcraft orgies?
All of these Chick characters who are supposed to be really really eeeeevil because they don't believe in Jesus just seem to hang around not doing much of anything. This kid's mom, apart from teaching him the religion of evolution, seems to do little beyond sitting around reading trashy magazines and smoking.
Is that really the height of evil?

[aggle-rithm]

You'll be in the lake of fire, with billions of others who believe we evolved from monkeys.


*shrug*

At least we'll have something to talk about.

[aggle-rithm]

1. Sloth

2. (She's got to pay the rent, so she's growing a few acres of herb for tax free income. ;) )

She also raises vicious attack dogs with huge fangs.

[aggle-rithm]

"It's up to you, Tyler. Evolution does away with morals."


"On the other hand, if you track mud on the kitchen floor, the Grinch will rip your testicles off."

[RandFan]

She also raises vicious attack dogs with huge fangs.I had just noticed the dog. WTF? Atheists have vicious dogs. I don't have a dog. Just a fish. It is a beta though. Maybe Jack is on to something. Next fish I get is going to be a piranha.

[Abdul Alhazred]

Is everybody seeing the trend to point a racism finger at atheism when ever they can.
I mean nearly every time a “thumper” says the word evolution they shove in the racism charge. ...

That means being against racism is the socially accepted norm. Which is a good thing, despite what some folks do with it.

Phoney baloney racism accusations -- It's not just for commies any more. :cool:

[aggle-rithm]

I had just noticed the dog.

Yes, apparently it was her teacher as well:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/51464820491246725.gif

Don't ask me to explain it. The Lord works in mysterious ways...

[aggle-rithm]

Yes, apparently it was her teacher as well:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/51464820491246725.gif

Don't ask me to explain it. The Lord works in mysterious ways...

I just noticed that book on evolution by Darwin depicts a cave man spearing a dinosaur.

Jack Chick would actually have to be smarter before he's even wrong.

[aggle-rithm]

That means being against racism is the socially accepted norm. Which is a good thing, despite what some folks do with it.


I'm sure in an earlier age, Jack Chick would have jumped on the segregation bandwagon in a heartbeat.

[Paulhoff]

I just noticed that book on evolution by Darwin depicts a cave man spearing a dinosaur.

Jack Chick would actually have to be smarter before he's even wrong.
And the goo part, has sexual overtones, ha ha.

And without Cadherin we would be a pile of goo.

And also, nowhere in Darwin's book is the word goo.

Paul

:) :) :)

[aggle-rithm]

And the goo part, has sexual overtones, ha ha.

And without Cadherin we would be a pile of goo.

And also, nowhere in Darwin's book is the word goo.

Paul

:) :) :)

"Scientists teach us we all came from a bottle of AstroGlide."

[RandFan]

And the goo part, has sexual overtones, ha ha.

And without Cadherin we would be a pile of goo.

And also, nowhere in Darwin's book is the word goo.

Paul

:) :) :)And no evolutionist that I know of refers to evolution as a religion.

[Perihelion Xanateris]

Or sacrificing puppies in lesbian witchcraft orgies?


*headdesk*

The tracts on Wicca and Druidry are even worse.


But you know, instead of sitting around whining about how bad Chick Tracts are, why don't you make comic tracts of your own, seeing as you have no problem with evangelical atheism? I bet the kiddies'll be turned on to atheism in no time at all.

(no, seriously, it's a good idea, go for it.)

[RandFan]

...why don't you make comic tracts of your own, seeing as you have no problem with evangelical atheism? It's an idea but I think our best bet is science, skepticism and critical thinking. If we can get kids to think for themselves and keep astrology, alchemy and ID out of science class then we have a shot.

I'm not much for propaganda. I prefer honesty and facts though I wouldn't mind more stuff like South Park and other satirical fare.

What is evangelical atheism?

[arthwollipot]

I assume everyone has seen this before?

Dead To Rights (http://www.jhuger.com/tract/dtr/index)

It's from the same guy who did Kissing Hank's Ass (http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank). PX, if you want some things you can hand around to people, you'd do worse than Huber.

[slingblade]

I especially loved "****** the ineffable since 1996." :D

[boloboffin]

Only single-parent families would be so stupid as to teach their kids evolution. If there were a Dad in this family, things would be different!

[Ian Osborne]

Only single-parent families would be so stupid as to teach their kids evolution. If there were a Dad in this family, things would be different!

:D

Funny you should say that, though. When I was a toddler, asking the inevitable questions about where we all came from, my dad told me how we'd evolved, and we all 'came from monkeys'. I spent the next few weeks peering into prams looking for a baby that hadn't changed yet and was still a monkey...

[aggle-rithm]

Only single-parent families would be so stupid as to teach their kids evolution. If there were a Dad in this family, things would be different!

I would at least tell Mom to stop buying her books on evolution from the Creation Institute.

[Ocelot]

Is everybody seeing the trend to point a racism finger at atheism when ever they can.
I mean nearly every time a “thumper” says the word evolution they shove in the racism charge. Were all the people in the confederacy atheists, the bible has been use to justify those practices for centuries, It’s science that revealed that all people are the same.

You're not the only one. Did you also notice that despite his pastice of racist thought he's still using a depiction of satan than borrows heavily from dark ages jewish stereotypes.

[Beerina]

Why the hell is the mother gardening and taking the time to teach her son? Why isn't she out killing and stealing?

Top Ten Reasons Why The Hell The Mother Is Gardening And Taking The Time To Teach Her Son Rather Than Going Out Killing And Stealing:

10) Not quite evolved enough

9) Everybody dead for a 10 mile radius already

8) Killing and Stealing are on days that begin with an S or a T. Fridays are for sex with animals.

7) She and sonny will go out later so she can teach him killing and stealing herself.

6) Enslaved teacher has the day off.

5) More interested in aiding the self-engodification of her son.

4) Mesmerized by her son's googly hyp-mo-tizin' eyes.

3) Mellow from contemplating the chimps she evolved from.

2) Experimenting with cross-breeding willow trees and Venus fly traps.


And the number one Reason Why The Hell The Mother Is Gardening And Taking The Time To Teach Her Son Rather Than Going Out Killing And Stealing:

1) Sloth

[porch]

Purely from the craft perspective, Chick tracts are pretty good, especially considering that they're given away for free. But is Jack Chick really one man, and the one man that writes and draws all the tracts? Is this a pseudonym for a group of authors? The drawing style seems pretty different from one comic to the next. Is the real Jack Chick already dead and cryogenically frozen, quietly awaiting the rapture?

[Safe-Keeper]

Purely from the craft perspective, Chick tracts are pretty good, especially considering that they're given away for free. I've thought this, too. Fundamentalism, bigotry, strawmen and alleged racism aside, they are very well-drawn.

[Paulhoff]

But is Jack Chick really one man, and the one man that writes and draws all the tracts?
Thanks for bumming me out to think that there are more people drawing this SH-T.

Paul

:) :) :)

Damn me for being so Naive :rolleyes:

[porch]

I've thought this, too. Fundamentalism, bigotry, strawmen and alleged racism aside, they are very well-drawn.


Not only that, but good storytelling, good timing, good drama. Characterisation and dialogue, however, leave something to be desired! Also, sometimes the flow of the speech balloons requires more effort than it should.

[m_huber]

No. The point is that evolution has nothing to do with morals, and you're stupid if you think the only reason you don't kick cats or rape babies is because InvisiSkyDaddy gave you a moral compass.




I don't kick cats or rape babies.






I do it the other way around.

[RandFan]

I don't kick cats or rape babies.

I do it the other way around.That's disgusting. I like cats. And I like rubber gloves. My fondest memories are times spent alone with a cat and a pair of rubber gloves.

[arthwollipot]

That's disgusting. I like cats. And I like rubber gloves. My fondest memories are times spent alone with a cat and a pair of rubber gloves.Thanks, Randfan. Now I have a persistent mental image of a cat and John Candy wearing rubber gloves. :hypnotize

[slingblade]

I don't kick cats or rape babies.






I do it the other way around.

How can you just stand there, being kicked by cats? :jaw-dropp

[Silentknight]

God loves unconditionally. He loves Satan, who is stuck in Hell. (They have this falling out thing, and love can't be forced. ) He loves Satan so much he doesn't want him to be lonely. So, he provides for Satan to have company with like minded people who can't stand God.

Oh absolutely. Besides, would you really want to get stuck in Heaven for all eternity, with all the bible bangers, creationists, homophobes, fanatics, and suicide bombers as your only company? There'd be nothing to do but sing hymns and kiss God's ass all day long, and you certainly wouldn't be allowed to do anything fun (because if it feels good, it's a sin).

Hell is where the real party is going to be. All the cool people; the scientists, philosophers, skeptics, and thinkers, are going to be there. I hear they have built-in air conditioning in the atheist section of hell, because that's what I believe.

[joobie]

I like the last panel, where Chick at least admits the god he worships is going to throw billions into the lake of fire, if for no other reason than they believe we evolved.

Yet he still thinks we should worship this thug.

that's not what they believe. it is ok to believe in evolution as long as you belive that jesus died for your sins; this is how so many of them can justify anything else they do or believe. once they are thusly 'saved', it doesn't matter what they do or believe - they go to heaven.

[Paulhoff]

I just got the Flock of Dodos on DVD from my local library. I will be watching it today. I put in a request for it a couple of months back to get it and they got it in 28 copies for the library system here in Broward County Library.

Paul

:) :) :)

[grayman]

I wondered why you'd brag about getting a DVD of a particular 80s band until I reread your post...oops. :boxedin:

[Perihelion Xanateris]

What is evangelical atheism?

Hard-sell of atheism.

You know, not everyone watches South Park. I bet if you started putting out Chick-style propaganda you'd have an interesting reponse.

[RandFan]

You know, not everyone watches South Park. I bet if you started putting out Chick-style propaganda you'd have an interesting reponse.I have ethics. Sorry.

[Abdul Alhazred]

that's not what they believe. it is ok to believe in evolution as long as you belive that jesus died for your sins; this is how so many of them can justify anything else they do or believe. once they are thusly 'saved', it doesn't matter what they do or believe - they go to heaven.

This one lays it out more straightforwardly:

Gun Slinger (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0037/0037_01.asp)

[Ian Osborne]

Gun Slinger (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0037/0037_01.asp)

Have you noticed how the sinful are always depicted with a few days' stubble, whereas the righteous have chins like a baby's bottom? Maybe the way to heaven is a close shave...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/884828242c78daf.jpg

[aggle-rithm]

Have you noticed how the sinful are always depicted with a few days' stubble, whereas the righteous have chins like a baby's bottom? Maybe the way to heaven is a close shave...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/884828242c78daf.jpg

I think good dental hygiene is also important.

[aggle-rithm]

Purely from the craft perspective, Chick tracts are pretty good, especially considering that they're given away for free.

They are given away for free by the organizations that BUY them for distribution. Subtle difference...

[aggle-rithm]

Very interesting...I took another look at "Somebody Loves Me", which is the first tract I ever remember reading. At the time, I thought, "That little kid is bleeding and dying in an alley, and all that Christian kid does is give him LITERATURE?"

Now I see that they've changed the artwork some, replacing the Christian boy with a girl, and adding a balloon (as an obvious afterthought) saying "I'll go get help!"

Reminds me of the revision of Star Wars where Greedo shoots first so Han won't be a cold-blooded murderer...