No spin on NPR?

[Lurker]

I heard Bill O'Reilly up in arms about being 'ambushed' on NPR. Went to his website and NPR's website and I could not get the audio files.

Anybody else know what transpired? It was the Fresh Air show on NPR, yesterday and Bill O'Reilly was on and supposedly halted the interview?

My guess is he was questioned on his spin and lies and O'Reilly went into a fit.

Lurker

[renata]

Originally posted by Lurker
I heard Bill O'Reilly up in arms about being 'ambushed' on NPR. Went to his website and NPR's website and I could not get the audio files.

Anybody else know what transpired? It was the Fresh Air show on NPR, yesterday and Bill O'Reilly was on and supposedly halted the interview?

My guess is he was questioned on his spin and lies and O'Reilly went into a fit.

Lurker

I heard it, he walked out. It was hilarious. You can listen to the interview on their website. He went nuts from the very beginning, attacking her. She was pretty tough with him, but was very polite, but he was a boor and tried to intimidate and shut her up. Go to the site, click on current show.
http://freshair.npr.org

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Lurker
I heard Bill O'Reilly up in arms about being 'ambushed' on NPR. Went to his website and NPR's website and I could not get the audio files.They should be up tomorrow. I'll post a link when I find them.

edited to add: renata is correct. it's up now.
Anybody else know what transpired? It was the Fresh Air show on NPR, yesterday and Bill O'Reilly was on and supposedly halted the interview?It was aired today. I heard the beginning and got back to it just as he said "This interview is over" much to Terry Gross's surprise. I'm still waiting to hear the whole thing onine.
My guess is he was questioned on his spin and lies and O'Reilly went into a fit.Mine too. What I heard of the interview, he was asked reasonable questions, although he was called on some of the things he's said. He was getting aggitated.

[arcticpenguin]

I'm listening to it right now. The host is bringing up his treatment of a NY Times reviewer who wrote a review of Franken's book.

No blow-up yet, but O'Reilly seems to be a control freak.

[headscratcher4]

No O'Reilly fan here, but I heard it and did think Gross was a little unfair to him (as the interview was obstensibily about his new book)...though, I note that Bill can't seem to take his own medicine. He treats people worse all of the time...ambush being one of his major tools. I guess the real upshot is that more people should walk off of the BO'R(e)'s show.

Now, having said that Gross was a bit unfair (she, after all, did try to get him to answer numerous charges made about him in opinion peices, rather than talk about his ideas), I would also not that my overwhelming impression of the BO'R(e) is the man's arrogant vanity.

It was all ME, ME, ME, ME,

I read the news....

I study history....

I show in my book how the founding fathers agree with me...

I read that story and this is how I see it...

I learned this lesson....

Indeed, he only comments on someone elses opinion or idea to suggest that they don't understand, wilfully misread or distorted the circumstances, or that they are, essentially stupid because if they knew as much as the BO'R(e) did, they'd be forced to conceed that the BO'R(e) is right.

In short, it is allways and at all times about the BO'R(e). His like a two or three year-old. He doesn't get his way and he sulks. He doesn't play nice, and than blames other's for picking on him.

People don't like it with their kids, I wonder why the like it in a aging pundit?

Also, while decrying the Politics of personal distruction, he immediately casts anyone who disagrees with him as a fool, traitor, pin-head or otherwise suggests their nefarious leftist, secular purposes.

No, I don't think it was Gross' best interview, but the BO'R(e) showed himself to be an incredibly thin-skinned ego maniac.

[Upchurch]

I just re-heard the part where he has only told people to "shut up" 5 times in 7 years, other than when he was "joking". Guess he jokes a lot.

[renata]

Originally posted by Upchurch
I just re-heard the part where he has only told people to "shut up" 5 times in 7 years, other than when he was "joking". Guess he jokes a lot.

I heard that, and remembered this article, with examples of his using that phrase.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2087706/



Bill O'Reilly Wants You To Shut Up
Also, Al Franken, Tom Daschle, Jimmy Carter, Rosie O'Donnell, gay people who talk about their sexual orientation, atheist Scouts, peaceniks, both parties …
By Jack Shafer
Posted Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 3:54 PM PT
"Shut up!"

Fox News channel talk show host Bill O'Reilly says "shut up" the way other people say "um."

On his daily show, The O'Reilly Factor, he uses it as a place-holder for an idea still formulating in his brain. As a way to begin a sentence, end it, or punctuate it. Sometimes he says "shut up" with fury, eyes bulging. When he's being dismissive, he delivers it offhandedly and without real malice. Other times he says it gently, with a minxlike twinkle in his eye, signaling to all the world that he's just being frisky.

O'Reilly wants specific individuals to shut up, and he names them. He would like all gays and lesbians to zip it—even though he's invited them on his show to talk about … homosexuality. He's even heaved this impolite language at entire nations, demanding they recuse themselves from the international conversation.

In the half-decade his top-rated show has been on the air, he's called for the muzzling of practically everybody. At the rate O'Reilly is going, he'll be the only person allowed to speak in a couple of years. Which, I suppose, is his master plan. Here are excerpts from his show:

Two-for-One Bank Shot
"Already the two parties are blaming each other [about the power blackout]. And I have two words for them—shut up."
—Aug. 15, 2003

.............


No-First-Amendment Zone
"All of these spin-meisters on both sides should just shut up until all the [Florida] votes are counted."
—Nov. 9, 2000

That Means You, Sid Blumenthal
"There is no victory for any American in the impeachment trial. The president should be ashamed of himself, and his partisans should shut up."
—Feb. 4, 1999

.............

Bill's Amen Corner
"Anyway, Kelsey Grammar and Robert Duvall were at this dinner, and [they] both said, hey, Dixie Chicks and all—these people should just shut up."
—April 28, 2003

...........


Shut Up for Freedom
"And it is our duty as loyal Americans to shut up once the fighting begins, unless—unless facts prove the operation wrong, as was the case in Vietnam."
—Feb. 27, 2003

To Our Brothers and Sisters in the Great White North
"Canada shouldn't have any say [about the Guantanamo prisoners] at all. I mean, just shut up about it."
—April 16, 2003

To an Anti-War Protester Whose Father Died on 9/11
O'Reilly: "Shut up. Shut up."
Jeremy Glick: "Oh, please don't tell me to shut up."
O'Reilly: "As respect—as respect—in respect for your father, who was a Port Authority worker, a fine American, who got killed unnecessarily by barbarians—"
Glick: "By radical extremists who were trained by this government—"
O'Reilly: "Out of respect for him—"
Glick: "—not the people of America."
O'Reilly: "—I'm not going to—"
Glick: "—the people of the ruling class, the small minority."
O'Reilly: "Cut his mic. I'm not going to dress you down anymore, out of respect for your father. We will be back in a moment with more of The Factor."
Glick: "That means we're done?"
O'Reilly: "We're done."
—Feb. 4, 2003

Presidential Gag Order
"What Jimmy Carter should do is privately give Mr. Bush his opinion and shut up publicly."
—Feb. 18, 2003

Diplomatic Gag Order
"But if the Bush administration wants to attack al-Qaida in Yemen, the Swedes should shut up, because basically it's our people who are dead, they killed our people, and we have to run them down."
—Nov. 20, 2002

...............



And He Wonders Why Daschle Won't Appear
"Believe me when I tell you The Factor goes out of its way to get Democrats on this broadcast. But Daschle has been and remains too frightened to appear. So with all due respect, senator, shut up."
—May 17, 2002

O'Reilly Delegates Authority to Sen. Evan Bayh
"If you see [Sen. Tom Daschle] for me, senator, tell him to shut up. For me. You can be nice."
—March 17, 2003

Scout's Honor
[To an atheist Eagle Scout, Darrell Lambert]: "I want to quote this—'On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and to my country and obey Scout law,' on and on and on and on. I mean, God's in the first 10 words. So why did you have to tell them you were an atheist if you didn't have any trouble reading the oath? Why didn't you just shut up?"
—Oct. 30, 2002

Welcome to My Show To Talk About Sex. Now, Please Put a Cork in It.
"My thesis, you may know, is that nobody should ever talk about their sexuality in any—in any regard ever. You should not define yourself that way. It just makes life a lot rougher. So, therefore, I would probably say, if you're a gay celebrity, shut up."
—March 21, 2001

"I am in favor of having equal treatment for everyone. But I'm also in favor of having everybody in the military shut up about their sexuality. All right. Not discuss it, it's not germane. It's irrelevant."
—Dec. 20, 2000

"You can do whatever you want. Just shut up about it. Little kids don't need to know whether you're homosexual, heterosexual, a cross-dresser, whatever. Don't discuss it. That's reasonable."
—Sept. 28, 2000

"I don't want the Scout master to tell my boys if he's gay, if he's straight, if he's a bigamist, if he's anything. I don't think that has any place in Scouting, so therefore I don't think the Scouts are wrong in saying shut up. We just don't want to hear about this."
—Aug. 29, 2000

"Why didn't you just—why—why didn't you just not say anything? This—I never can get this for you guys, and I—and I don't mean to be arrogant or anything like—I just don't get it. Just shut up about it. Who cares what you do? That's what the Air Force is asking you to do. Shut up."
—June 8, 2000

"If I were Rosie O'Donnell and I didn't want to get married, I'd shut up. The same thing with Madonna. Have the kids if you—you know, obviously, they have money. They can support the kids. But I'd shut up."
—Dec. 14, 1999

"I'm asking you to shut up about sex."
—Sept. 23, 2002

O'Reilly: "I don't go running around telling everybody about my sex life, and I don't think you do either, do you?"
Hugh Downs: "No, you don't have to—"
O'Reilly: "So just shut up about it."
—July 2, 2001

Shut Up, Pinhead!
To Mike McGough of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette editorial page, who accuses O'Reilly of exploiting a murder victim's sister who appeared on O'Reilly's show:

"Hey, Mike, shut up. I resent the fact that you said that we exploited this woman. We gave this woman a voice. That's something that you and your stupid newspaper would never do, you pinhead. You would never do that. "
—Nov. 13, 2002

A Viewer Protests the Treatment of McGough
"Paula Evans, Winston-Salem, N.C. [writes]: 'Bill, if you are so concerned about public figures being bad role models for children, please stop interrupting your guests and telling them to shut up!' "

"Well, the 'shut up' line has happened only once in six years, Ms. Evans, and that's because the editor from Pittsburgh was filibustering, after accusing me of exploiting the families of the murder victims. The no-spin zone is a tough place, and lies and unreasonable discourse will be stopped in their tracks."
—Nov. 15, 2002

[arcticpenguin]

Right now he's droning about why he believes in God and doesn't believe in the big bang or that asteroids hit the Earth. Everything in nature works all the time, but everything man does is screwed up? What is he on about?

He insists that if you read a chapter in a book of his, then you must agree with him about the intent of the founding fathers on separation of church & state. Because it's so d___ convincing and so well-researched.

He's got a mighty high opinion of himself.

[renata]

Originally posted by headscratcher4
No, I don't think it was Gross' best interview, but the BO'R(e) showed himself to be an incredibly thin-skinned ego maniac.

But he also invents facts to suit his needs. For example, he claimed that Maslin gave Moore a good review, and him a bad one and demanded Gross read a particular paragraph of Maslin's review of Moore's book. Gross disagreed, and said that Maslin called Moore's book a "bumpersticker of a book", O'Reilly claimed she was not reading the paragraph he had in mind, and asked her to read the last paragraph of the review, which she did, which had that very phrase! he then proceeded to say that this proved it was a favorable review, wheras Gross said that in her understanding the phrase indicated it was not a favorable review. I agree with Gross. In other words, she was prepared, and he tried to shout her down, like he does to guests on his show, hoping she did not have the very information that would prove his point. I think the interview went downhill from there. I think he was very antagonistic from the very beginning, and claimed she tried to smear him. He refused to let her read some comments about him, and kept attacking her and NPR personally. However, having heard her interview Franken, he is right in saying her interview of Franken was very friendly, and he was right in saying that. I suppose, however, Franken came on a little less antagonistically also.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin
Right now he's droning about why he believes in God and doesn't believe in the big bang or that asteroids hit the Earth. Everything in nature works all the time, but everything man does is screwed up? What is he on about?Don't forget the Pascal's Wager fallacy....

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Don't forget the Pascal's Wager fallacy....
He claimed that was as joke. Since I have no intention of reading his book I cannot refute that.

The comments he refused to let Terry Gross read in his presence were from a People magazine article about how he handled their review of his book. According to the comments, when the review was published O'Reilly listed the review author as the most ridiculous item of the day and called him a pinhead.

[Upchurch]

Okay, I just finished hearing the whole interview and no way did it merit the reaction O'Reilly gave. Yes, she was harsher than she was on Franken, but Franken was nowhere near as defensive or agressive as O'Reilly.

Talk about being able to dish it out but not being able to take it...

[corplinx]

Someone up top at FoxNews should have a talk with Bill about his "interpersonal skills" Al Franken, despite being a nutcase at times off-camera, _always_ looks good when on camera because he remembers that above all a nonchallant person comes off best.

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by corplinx
Someone up top at FoxNews should have a talk with Bill about his "interpersonal skills" Al Franken, despite being a nutcase at times off-camera, _always_ looks good when on camera because he remembers that above all a nonchallant person comes off best.

Besides that, Al Franken is having fun. He's a comedian, for Ed's sake. Sure, he's a very bright, politically involved comedian, but he never loses sight of his goal of making other people laugh.

O'Reilly, on the other hand, apparently lacks any sense of humor. He takes himself far too seriously. What a pompous jerk.

AS

[billydkid]

I don't care how you cut it. Agree with O'Reilly's politics or not, the man is a jackass and as petulant as a two year old.

[Cain]

Maslin's review of Moore's latest book cannot be considered an endorsement. I remember the "bumpsticker of a book" quip and several paragraphs dwelling on Moore's enormous ego.

Her criticisms of Franken's book were silly, and the review she gave for Blumenthal's table-busting tome elicted howls of outrage from the fine staff over at the Daily Howler.

Franken appeared on the "Tonight Show" recently and stared into the camera challenging O'Reilly to say how he "defamed" him. He also said the title of O'Reilly's new book was _Living with Herpes_. "Hey, you gotta write what you know." (the same joke appears in _Lying Liars_).

[specious_reasons]

I, personally, enjoyed the rationalization about the Peabody award.

He is on record saying it was a Peabody, but he was mistaken, so anyone who claims he said it is lying.

:confused:

He can't be wrong. Bill O'Reilly is the Jedi Knight of Fox news.

[Cain]

Yeah, I didn't quite understand his latest dissembling on the Peabody award.

Although, he left the impression, for me at least, that Franken accused him -- O'Reilly -- of winning a Peabody. O'Reilly always said "we" (as in Inside Edition) won Peabodys.

Of course they won a Polk (the other MOST prestigious award in journalism) -- and O'Reilly wasn't even associated with the show at that time. He had since left.

[clk]

When Bill was asked about being a registered republican until a few years ago, he claimed to not have known about it. He said that he had no idea how it happened, and that he is actually an independent. That was probably the funniest part.

[Crossbow]

I have stumbled across the Bill O'Reilly show a few times while flipping channels. I could never take more than a few minutes of it since the whole show just seemed to be about people getting angry at each other and fighting to get the last word.

However, I did have to god fortune some weeks ago to see a bit of the 'Jenna Jameson' biography that was on a couple of months ago and the part the really intrigued me was where O'Reilly interviewed her and tried to call her a prostitute and after the interview was over, he asked her to send him some of her movies (and she did so). Now then, some weeks after this interview O'Reilly go all in a twist again so he went back to calling her a prostitute. Well, she soon shot back via e-mail pointing out that he asked her for some of her movies and she sent them. He acted rather contrite, without actually admitting to doing anything wrong, and I do not think that he has bad mouthed her again.

I heard the bit of the Terry Gross interview where he said how positive a certain review was and then insinuated that she did not read the whole review. Whereupon Gross read him the last paragraph of the review in question.

O'Reilly promptly backtracked and said that he would read the review again and that he may be wrong about its conclusion.

In sum, I would say these two events say a good bit about O'Reilly. He is a blowhard who likes to hear himself talk and when faced with the facts that contradict his rhetoric, he will not directly apologize or admit to doing anything wrong, he will just change the subject and avoid raising the issue ever again.

[a_unique_person]

That stuff about how he hated a Catholic education back then but appreciates now is just s**t. I had a Catholic education too, and I still don't appreciate it.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by corplinx
Someone up top at FoxNews should have a talk with Bill about his "interpersonal skills" Al Franken, despite being a nutcase at times off-camera, _always_ looks good when on camera because he remembers that above all a nonchallant person comes off best. I went over to O'Reilly's web page to see what his take on this was (beyond what Terry Gross played of his response from his TV show). He had an audio clip of the interview and of the whole thing, he choose to play the portion where he was the angryist and most rude, walking out on the interview.

I think this is just part of his schtick. I think he went in there planning to blow up at NPR's "bias against him" to satisfy his self-fullfilling prophecy that he's "Enemy #1 to the Leftist extremists" or some such nonsense.

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by Upchurch
I went over to O'Reilly's web page to see what his take on this was (beyond what Terry Gross played of his response from his TV show). He had an audio clip of the interview and of the whole thing, he choose to play the portion where he was the angryist and most rude, walking out on the interview.

I think this is just part of his schtick. I think he went in there planning to blow up at NPR's "bias against him" to satisfy his self-fullfilling prophecy that he's "Enemy #1 to the Leftist extremists" or some such nonsense.

Not a bad theory. Being a hero to your fans, and also the man your enemies love to hate, is a great way to maintain high ratings.

On the other hand, I like to think he's just an obnoxious jerk, whether it's intentional or not.

AS

[American]

He put the SMACK DOWN on old Terrie. I thought she was going to start crying!

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by American
He put the SMACK DOWN on old Terrie. I thought she was going to start crying! I did too. She seemed quite taken aback absolute lack of tact and manners.

BTW, making women cry does not help O'Reilly's claim that he's not a bully.

[headscratcher4]

Another interesting side to the whole discussion with Terry Gross was his insistence on research and expertise...when it came to public policy at lest. However, his claimed beliefs and dismissal of science was not, apparently, based on his unique ability to research.

He was dismissive of the science, indeed quite ignorant of the science behind the big bang theory, and made the predictable mistake of the scientifically illiterate: that is equating theory with opinion. In other words, he can have all kinds of informed opinions on politics, he can dismiss those opinions he doesn't like...so why isn't it the same for the big bang?

Sadly, Terry Gross did not point out to him -- nor, I guess, would I expect her to -- that "theory" is based upon an understanding and interpretation of fact...whereas opinion -- like political punditry and demagoguery -- need have only the most limited relationship to facts.

It was also odd that on the one hand he was promoting the discipline he got at a "catholic" (presumably Joust) school, and the tools that it presumably provided to him to decipher "facts" and "truth," yet as soon as his observations went into the "spiritual" side, all of that training went right out the door...

Consistency, I guess, being the hobgoblins of little minds (and, clearly, in his own opinion of himself the BO'R(e) doesn't have a little mind).

[Upchurch]

Yeah, this is a new side of BO'R(e) (love that one, hs4!) that I was not previously familiar: religious woo-woo.

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by American
He put the SMACK DOWN on old Terrie. I thought she was going to start crying!

Uh, no. She's been through worse - listen to the interview with Gene Simmons. Frustrated is not the same as "about to cry." It's "Terry," by the way.

[American]

Originally posted by Upchurch
BTW, making women cry does not help O'Reilly's claim that he's not a bully.


Then you don't think much of women, or else she shouldn't be doing political interviews if she can't compose herself and handle a direct and difficult challenge.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by American
Then you don't think much of women, or else she shouldn't be doing political interviews if she can't compose herself and handle a direct and difficult challenge.
LOL! This from the guy who is mystified why women don't want to date him!:roll:

And NPR had better watch out. Bill will probably sue them.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by American
or else she shouldn't be doing political interviews if she can't compose herself and handle a direct and difficult challenge. You mean like good ol' bill with his pre-screened callers and mic cut-off button?

Ya know, I was just talking with some friends last night about this and I'm more and more convinced that the angry conservative talk show host phenomenon is just an act. The more irrationally angry they are, the less I'm starting to believe it.

Michael Savage is probably the best example. He's a former hippy and alternative mediicine wholistic herbalist and now he's the angriest conservative zealot on the airwaves?

Bill's explosion on NPR was so staged. He sat there and listened to Terry Gross read a book reviewer call Michael Moore's book bumper sticker material and he called it a favorable review? That takes enough selective hearing to strain crediblity.

Then, as evidence of NPR's bias, on his website he plays a clip not of Gross's actually "badgering" (which isn't a tenth as bad as O'Reilly's usual fair) him but of his own outburst.

My guess is that for him, this wasn't NPR. It was plain ol' PR.

[Doubt]

Originally posted by American



Then you don't think much of women, or else she shouldn't be doing political interviews if she can't compose herself and handle a direct and difficult challenge.

She kept her composure.

Bill through a hissy fit and left. Which one should not be doing political interviews again?

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by Doubt


She kept her composure.

Bill through a hissy fit and left. Which one should not be doing political interviews again?

I agree. I thought she remained quite professional and poised throughout the whole confrontation. She even handled the impending dead air quite well by saying that "that was my interview with Bill O'Reilly," or something like that.

Few could have handled themselves better without incident. I even e-mailed her about it and praised her.

AS

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Doubt

She kept her composure. I should have said. While her voice wavered, she did keep her composure. And even more to her credit, although she addressed his flame bait, she didn't sink to his level by flaming in return (thus the difference between a political interview and a political debate).

[headscratcher4]

While her voice wavered

Oddly enough, I thought her voice wavering was more a sign that she couldn't believe this guy was getting upset like he was, more than intimidation. I really think Terry, for the most part, tries for a calm, reasoned interview and discussion. She expects her guests to also seek that...even in a tough interview.

Though I thought Gross was out to "get" the BO'R(e) [-- not in the lible/slander sense, but more in the make him answer the charges about himself rather than focus on his book (which assumes that -- his book -- was why the BO'R(e) was scheduled], I thought she asked many an interesting question and posed some difficult questions to the BO'R(e). However, the BO'R(e) had to have known that the show was more like Charlie Rose -- even when confrontational -- than his own or its ilk. So, methinks the BO'R(e)'s walk out was explicitly staged by him, so he could go back to his listeners and claim some sort of pyric victory over the forces of liberal/secular evil.

Otherwise, nothing about the interview -- even its focus on the BO'R(e), his statements and his critics rather than his "book" -- required the sort of outraged tirad/hissy fit he threw.

[renata]

My impression was that he was spoiling for a fight from the very beginning. He was baiting her, making snide comments, talking about character assassination in the liberal media, kept escalating. I think he made some direct comments about NPR before he walked out. When she, like a good interviewer, did not take the bait and stayed calm he walked out. She did try to get him to answer some tough questions, of course. Interestingly, he routinely mocks people on his show when they do not want to come, and when the do, he ambushes them, shouts them down and he has been alleged to cut their microphones. I take it he does not like being asked some hard questions. I am not surprised he did not play her interviewing him. I suppose hard core listeners would not have tuned in to NPR, and can only nod sympathetically as their hero gets ambushed by evil liberals.

Does anyone know if NPR makes transcripts available?

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by renata
Does anyone know if NPR makes transcripts available? Yes (http://www.npr.org/programs/fa/transcripts/index.html), unfortunately it costs.

[Regnad Kcin]

Though I didn't catch the program in question, by the descriptions in this thread (as well as listening to Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" hundreds of times before) my tendency is to think Upchurch is on to something. Mr. O'Reilly seems generally disinclined to conversation when he'd rather "talk" (at least on record). Why change for one of the most highly regarded interviewers in the business?

[Crossbow]

I noticed that the bit of the Terry Gross interview where Billy stomped out made it onto the other NPR show Wait! Wait! Don't tell me!.

It was pretty cool!

:cool:

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Crossbow
I noticed that the bit of the Terry Gross interview where Billy stomped out made it onto the other NPR show Wait! Wait! Don't tell me!. Oh yeah? What happened?

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Upchurch
Oh yeah? What happened?

Not much really. They just mentioned it right at the start of the show then quickly moved on: I think it was just their way of making fun of the situation since O'Reilly took such offense to the interview.

My guess is that is the first time anyone has ever walked out on Terry Gross. The interview in question can be heard at:

http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1459090.html