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Pauliesonne
8th May 2008, 03:24 PM
I just woke up from a sleep ( that a headache forced me into ) and I saw this in my living room;
http://www.revivalmovement.org/acatalog/info_115.html
OK, this was originally on a leaflet, but you know what I mean.
Bottom line = Is this just offensive to me or are you offended aswell?
m_huber
8th May 2008, 03:37 PM
Amazing.
The true Christian is the only happy man, because his conscience is at peace. That mysterious witness for God, which is so mercifully placed within us, is fully satisfied and at rest. It sees in the blood of Christ a complete cleansing away of all its guilt. It sees in the Priesthood and mediation of Christ a complete answer to all its fears. It sees that through the sacrifice and death of Christ, God can now be just, and yet be the justifier of the ungodly. It no longer bites and stings, and makes its possessor afraid of himself. The Lord Jesus Christ has amply met all its requirements. Conscience is no longer the enemy of the true Christian, but his friend and adviser. Therefore he is happy.
I never knew I was so unhappy. :) I mean.. :(
Fnord
8th May 2008, 03:55 PM
It reads like a Happier-Than-Thou guilt-inducing ego trip. The condensed version would read "Only real Christians are truly happy; so if you are not happy, then you are not a Christian."
Christians who are allowed to read their Bibles know that belief in Christ is not a ticket to bliss - at least, not on this side of the grave.
The people who publish this crapola are practicing some form of scam -- they want to convince others that their unhappiness can be cured if only they believed in Christ just a little bit more.
And then they run a store that will provide more literature (for a price) that promises to show them how to achieve Real Happiness and True Christianity.
They're like those people who put out those commercials that imply a more exciting and fulfilling life if only you buy the right beer, SUV, shoes, or makeup -- They are selling an image, not a cure.
Madalch
8th May 2008, 03:56 PM
The true Christian is the only happy man, because his conscience is at peace.
One could also say that about the stoned, the drunk, and the idiot.
shadron
8th May 2008, 04:03 PM
http://www.revivalmovement.org/acatalog/info_115.html
Bottom line = Is this just offensive to me or are you offended aswell?
From a tract, you expected maybe to read something that agreed with Hitchens? Come on, religious evangelists are known for prevaricating and spin - what is so odd about them making up a cute story to make their point? Jack Chick does it all the time, except that he knows, and knows that we know, that it is all fiction. Yet he doesn't add a disclaimer that that is what it is, does he?
Complexity
8th May 2008, 04:33 PM
Sorry. I don't read that crap.
Showmeproof
8th May 2008, 05:15 PM
http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/RyleJC.html
Well, the man that wrote that surely does love religion A LOT. Above is a site dedicated to him. If you do not go to that site and learn the true ways, you will have to repent next week :)
kerikiwi
8th May 2008, 05:55 PM
Totally inoffensive, extremely comical.
Fnord
8th May 2008, 05:56 PM
Well, the man that wrote that surely does love religion A LOT. Above is a site dedicated to him. If you do not go to that site and learn the true ways, you will have to repent next week :)
No thanks. I'll just shrive myself with some snake oil and forget about it.
Elizabeth I
8th May 2008, 06:13 PM
Well, more nauseated.
Wait...
How did this come to be in your living room?
It is comically bad. I invite any theist to ask me if I'm happy.
Fnord
8th May 2008, 07:49 PM
;3688495']I invite any theist to ask me if I'm happy.
Are You Happy?
Dopey?
Sneezy?
Fluffy?
Pauliesonne
8th May 2008, 08:26 PM
;3688495']Wait...
How did this come to be in your living room?
It is comically bad. I invite any theist to ask me if I'm happy.
I had a headache.
I slept.
I woke up feeling better.
I enter my living room.
There it is.
JoeEllison
8th May 2008, 09:04 PM
I would be offended by that if I were a Christian, since it is very obviously something that never happened, and to believe that it did happen means you're a gullible idiot... which is how the Christian tract writers seem to view their target audience.
MattusMaximus
8th May 2008, 09:11 PM
I had a headache.
I slept.
I woke up feeling better.
I enter my living room.
There it is.
It's a miracle! :D
arthwollipot
8th May 2008, 10:34 PM
Totally inoffensive, extremely comical.I disagree. I think it is directly offensive to all non-Christians, not just atheists.
Well, more nauseated.I completely agree.
I had a headache.
I slept.
I woke up feeling better.
I enter my living room.
There it is.You mean someone broke into your living room to leave it?
kerikiwi
8th May 2008, 11:20 PM
I disagree. I think it is directly offensive to all non-Christians, not just atheists.
It totally beats me how anyone can be offended by such tripe.
(Apologies to aficiandoes of true tripe...)
Somebody thinks I can't be happy because I don't believe in their particular deity ...
That cannot offend me. It in no way reflects on me.
arthwollipot
8th May 2008, 11:37 PM
It totally beats me how anyone can be offended by such tripe.
(Apologies to aficiandoes of true tripe...)
Somebody thinks I can't be happy because I don't believe in their particular deity ...
That cannot offend me. It in no way reflects on me.It's offensive because it denigrates peoples' intellectual capacity. It makes all of us non-Christians out to be stupid fools who can't see the TWOOTH right in front of us. Because it makes us out to be not just not-happy, but incapable of being happy, as though non-Christians are "happiness challenged". It's offensive because it fosters an us-vs-them mentality where we non-Christians are the enemy. It fosters inequality and prejudice. I find those things offensive. I'm happy that you don't, because that means you have a capacity for tolerance that I don't.
kerikiwi
9th May 2008, 12:10 AM
[QUOTE=arthwollipot;3689048 It fosters inequality and prejudice. I find those things offensive. I'm happy that you don't, because that means you have a capacity for tolerance that I don't.[/QUOTE]
Not tolerance at all. I think the writers of such tripe are idiots.
But I am not offended by their opinions, because I do not value their opinions.
Whack01
9th May 2008, 12:24 AM
There's a reason why Jeremiah was called the weeping prophet and that it's called the book of Lamentations. Christians aren't always happy.
Lets just take one item, one issue and examine this idea of happiness defining Christians. If a person sincerely believes that life begins at conception as most evangelicals do. He believes that his countrymen have truly put to death 60 million babies, how exactly is he going to be happy? (ETA: not about to debate this period, just noting that a belief in this should logically make one sad)
Most will pray that "your kingdom come", most hope for the rapture, but who considers that if it were to happen today according to the book of revelations 4,500,000,000+ of their friends and neighbors whom they "love as themselves" in obedience to Christ, must die? Sweet sounding at first, but it's bitter in the stomach.
Happiness does come to me, but it is often far from the norm. Today I was happy when I went out to my parents farm and pet the cats & dogs when they ran up to my car. I was happy when I read that a bird of mine that had escaped was alive and well. I was happy when I pulled out my old junky telescope & pointed it at the moon. I gave thanks for these things. However, as I was doing all of this, I still knew that more than one hundred million people are starving. I read that more than 2 million people are sold a year in the slave trade, & I remembered that I support a war that looks more and more foolish. I will say one final thing, I am happy that God is judge and I am not. Knowing this, I can let go of the anger & pain I feel in my heart over these things and focus instead on learning to love as I ought. For that I am thankful to God.
Furi
9th May 2008, 01:01 AM
Are You Happy?
Dopey?
Sneezy?
Fluffy?
Am it be fluffeh tiem yet?
I r teh Fluffeh (and furry)
I am also happy does this mean I must be a jesusian,
that's not fair when did they sneak in and fundy all over my happiness, now that I am have been forced to be a goddamned jesus hugger, I am no longer happy.
not happy, Praise Newton! I am cured! I be happy again.
.... Oh Noes
Beerina
9th May 2008, 07:39 AM
Why would a Christian be happy, anyway? Because a god exists who will throw most people into Hell, and this Christian is happy because he dodged a huge bullet?
While one might be briefly relieved at one's safety, one would be very sad for the terrible dictatorial regime that is murdering and torturing people simply because they don't argree with the powerful one's politics.
Professor Yaffle
9th May 2008, 08:28 AM
There's a reason why Jeremiah was called the weeping prophet and that it's called the book of Lamentations. Christians aren't always happy.
Erm, Jeremiah was a Christian....?
Darth Rotor
9th May 2008, 08:54 AM
Erm, Jeremiah was a Christian....?
No, a bullfrog.
Good friend of mine, now that you mention it, even though I never understood a single word he said. :cool: His wine cellar, on the other hand, was world class.
DR
Darth Rotor
9th May 2008, 09:02 AM
Erm, Jeremiah was a Christian....?
No, a bullfrog.
Good friend of mine, now that you mention it, even though I never understood a single word he said. :cool: His wine cellar, on the other hand, was world class.
DR
Darat
9th May 2008, 09:06 AM
Why should any atheist be offended by that? After all it shows what a moral person the atheist was
"....He could not reply to the question. His conscience would not let him: he dared not say that he was happy...."
Nice to see that the author of this knows that atheists are so moral that they will not even tell a simple lie even to further their own goals....
:D
edge
9th May 2008, 12:13 PM
Why should any atheist be offended by that? After all it shows what a moral person the atheist was
"....He could not reply to the question. His conscience would not let him: he dared not say that he was happy...."
Nice to see that the author of this knows that atheists are so moral that they will not even tell a simple lie even to further their own goals....
:D
Or he was stifled for being so immorally wrong about his views, which you choose to leave out.
It is possible that he was stifled, as I have found out the truth about that, (being stifled), first hand….
You want to speak the words but you can’t.
Nice to see that the author of this knows that atheists are so moral that they will not even tell a simple lie even to further their own goals....
So he wasn't happy and being, "so moral", wasn't enough and I wonder what he would say about that day?
Fnord
9th May 2008, 12:18 PM
I'm offended, and I'm a Christian. Or rather, I would be a Christian according to the article if I could maintain the valium-enhanced, Stepford wife, zombie-like expression and state of blissful vacuity that is so typical of people who believe that the more suffering you endure, the better you are for it.
It reminds my of the role-playing game called Paranoia (http://www.bluemeat.com/paranoia/info.html), in which a computer-controlled utopia is patrolled and maintained by 'troubleshooters' who disintegrate anyone they even suspect of being different. The basic Paranoia mantra goes something like:
Stay Alert!
Trust no one!
Keep your laser handy!
The Computer is your friend.
How do you know this?
The Computer tells you so!
Can you doubt The Computer?
Doubting The Computer is treason.
Have YOU Been Saved From Treason?
"Friend Citizen! Have you accepted the Good News v3.11 into your heart? Faith in Our Saviour, The Computer brings those who believe to their Eternal Reward. After they have died in His service the requisite number of times, they shall be transported to the glorious shining realm of the ULTRAVIOLET, where there shall be Fun in abundance. And He notified them in a memo, 'in YWH Sector there are many zones, and I go to prepare a place for you. Please have your ME cards ready for inspection." - CFD, 28:1
"But WOE unto those who do not accept the Good News, or worse, who download it but fail to register it, thus depriving hardworking evangelists of their deserved credits. And the Filesharers shall be found by the Managers of Digital Righteousness and be smoten by them." - RIIA 42:13
"And WOE unto the Communists, who shall be terminated by the holy lasers of freedom. Believe ye in that which has been approved, and abjure that which has been banned, even if that which was once banned is now approved or that which was approved be banned." - Ethics, 12:10.
"And WOE unto the Terrorists, who shall be terminated in Digital Justice; also their allies the Communists, for there are clear links between Terrorism and Communism which can be seen by the Faithful yet are invisible to the Traitorous. And he said unto them, 'Blessed are the charred corpses who got blown up in My name; theirs is the Priority Queue at the Clone Bank." - Protocols 4:44.
The Good News makes you happy.
You are happy, right?
Then why are you not smiling?
Are you a commie? A mutant? A traitor? A spy?
All of the above?
Who sent you? What are their plans?
If you do not confess, we will disintegrate you.
If you do confess, we will send you to the clone banks.
Enjoy your stay in the Gulag Interrogation & Recreational Center!
Whack01
9th May 2008, 02:46 PM
Erm, Jeremiah was a Christian....?
I initially included a disclaimer noting that there would be an objection by unbelievers that he was a Jew. However, most Christians consider anyone who is a confirmed prophet of God to be a follower of Christ (old testament, The Lord). So if you're only trying to show that their beliefs are not internally consistent, the truthfulness of the statement does not need to be argued.
I Ratant
9th May 2008, 04:08 PM
Are You Happy?
Dopey?
Sneezy?
Fluffy?
.
Grumpy!
Skeptic Ginger
9th May 2008, 04:34 PM
...
Nice to see that the author of this knows that atheists are so moral that they will not even tell a simple lie even to further their own goals....
:DUnlike whoever started that urban myth.
pchams
9th May 2008, 06:43 PM
Pointless drivel. Lieing for jesus. No, not even for jesus, just the author's beliefs.
The fundies are still trying to write chapters to the bible, but the original goat-herders were more imaginative.
These email worthy missives get boring.
I'm happy, and an atheist. I take happiness in my children, my mate, our safety, and bass fishing in the sunset.
Truly happy. Lucky.
blobru
10th May 2008, 06:23 AM
http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/RyleJC.html
Well, the man that wrote that surely does love religion A LOT. Above is a site dedicated to him. If you do not go to that site and learn the true ways, you will have to repent next week :)
Ryle was also the first [Anglican] Bishop of Liverpool, 1880 - 1900.
As you can see from Showmeproof's link, he was a prolific author. He wrote many books for kids. One is a delightful little tale called The Two Bears (http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=112807136200) (I could only find it in audio format). It's based on 2 Kings 2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%202;&version=48;):23-24. To refresh your memory: some kids make fun of the prophet Elisha, calling him "Baldy". Elisha curses them. God sics two bears on them. The bears kill forty-two of the children.
Ryle derives the moral that the children deserved it, for there is nothing worse than making fun of religion. He also sees fit to remind the kiddies of Proverbs 30:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%2030:17;&version=51;):
The eye that mocks a father
and despises a mother’s instructions
will be plucked out by ravens of the valley
and eaten by vultures.
It's actually quite funny and quite scary to listen to this kindly, avuncular reading of Ryle's tale of God's two she-bears tearing apart forty-two children for kidding a prophet about his hairline; and the lessons to be learned therefrom. Hard to believe, for me at least, it is still being sold in mainstream Xtian (http://graceandtruthbooks.com/listdetails.asp?ID=416) bookstores. But then, I don't understand Xtianity, anyway. (Seriously, how sick of a ***** of a parent would you have to be to read this to your kid[s]?) :confused:
AkuManiMani
10th May 2008, 08:24 AM
Totally inoffensive, extremely comical.
I thought it was a parody at first...
kerikiwi
10th May 2008, 12:24 PM
I thought it was a parody at first...
At first? You mean it's not a parody? Someone is using this as serious propaganda?:eye-poppi
arthwollipot
11th May 2008, 06:15 PM
I'm offended, and I'm a Christian. Or rather, I would be a Christian according to the article if I could maintain the valium-enhanced, Stepford wife, zombie-like expression and state of blissful vacuity that is so typical of people who believe that the more suffering you endure, the better you are for it.
It reminds my of the role-playing game called Paranoia (http://www.bluemeat.com/paranoia/info.html), in which a computer-controlled utopia is patrolled and maintained by 'troubleshooters' who disintegrate anyone they even suspect of being different. The basic Paranoia mantra goes something like:
Stay Alert!
Trust no one!
Keep your laser handy!
The Computer is your friend.
How do you know this?
The Computer tells you so!
Can you doubt The Computer?
Doubting The Computer is treason.
Have YOU Been Saved From Treason?
"Friend Citizen! Have you accepted the Good News v3.11 into your heart? Faith in Our Saviour, The Computer brings those who believe to their Eternal Reward. After they have died in His service the requisite number of times, they shall be transported to the glorious shining realm of the ULTRAVIOLET, where there shall be Fun in abundance. And He notified them in a memo, 'in YWH Sector there are many zones, and I go to prepare a place for you. Please have your ME cards ready for inspection." - CFD, 28:1
"But WOE unto those who do not accept the Good News, or worse, who download it but fail to register it, thus depriving hardworking evangelists of their deserved credits. And the Filesharers shall be found by the Managers of Digital Righteousness and be smoten by them." - RIIA 42:13
"And WOE unto the Communists, who shall be terminated by the holy lasers of freedom. Believe ye in that which has been approved, and abjure that which has been banned, even if that which was once banned is now approved or that which was approved be banned." - Ethics, 12:10.
"And WOE unto the Terrorists, who shall be terminated in Digital Justice; also their allies the Communists, for there are clear links between Terrorism and Communism which can be seen by the Faithful yet are invisible to the Traitorous. And he said unto them, 'Blessed are the charred corpses who got blown up in My name; theirs is the Priority Queue at the Clone Bank." - Protocols 4:44.
The Good News makes you happy.
You are happy, right?
Then why are you not smiling?
Are you a commie? A mutant? A traitor? A spy?
All of the above?
Who sent you? What are their plans?
If you do not confess, we will disintegrate you.
If you do confess, we will send you to the clone banks.
Enjoy your stay in the Gulag Interrogation & Recreational Center!Citizen! Membership in the First Church of Christ Computer-Programmer is treasonous! However, given your exemplary record so far, The Computer in Its infinite wisdom has decided not to terminate you. Report immediately to the Mandatory Fun Indoctrination and Brainscrub Centre in SOM sector for your new service assignment. Have a nice daycycle!
Fnord
12th May 2008, 07:57 PM
Citizen! Membership in the First Church of Christ Computer-Programmer is treasonous! However, given your exemplary record so far, The Computer in Its infinite wisdom has decided not to terminate you. Report immediately to the Mandatory Fun Indoctrination and Brainscrub Centre in SOM sector for your new service assignment. Have a nice daycycle!
WDA-U-WNT-4 (FCCCP High Priest): "The grace of our Friend the Computer, and the love of the High Programmer, and the fellowship of Alpha Complex be with you all."
FN-ORD-1 (Lowly Infrared Citizen): "And also with you!"
WDA-U-WNT-4: "Let us read the Protocols of Confession"
ALL: "I confess to the Computer,
and to you, my clones-mates,
that I have sinned through the fault of
commies, mutants, traitors, and spies,
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done,
and in what I have failed to do;
and I ask blessed TLA-O-MLY, ever faithful,
all the troubleshooters and technicians,
and you, my clone-mates,
to not cast me into the food vats,
nor to place me into the path of peril,
for the sin of being unworthy to rise above
the SECLAR of infra-red.
For in the Computer's infinite Mercy,
I have been granted a place in Utopia,
which in its perfection is Alpha Complex.
Amen."
WDA-U-WNT-4: "May our Friend the Computer have mercy on us,
forgive us of our treasons,
or not, as the case may be,
and bring us to everlasting fun and joy,
or painless termination.
Amen. Go in peace."
Michelle Lyon
12th May 2008, 08:21 PM
It had me for a while, until it got into the Christian crap. Then I wasn't angered by it as much as disgusted. So many people, in any religion, not just the Christans, preach so hard and long about how their way is the number one right true and only way to live and everyone else be damned, that they don't see how they are doing the exact same thing that the "atheist" in this story is doing which they so condemn. Hypocrites.
When you look closely at all the world's religions - Christainity and all its sectors, Muslim, Judaism, Paganism and all its sectors, Budhism, Atheism, various tribal religions, every other religion that exists that I can't think of right now, however many or few deities they have, whatever fantastical stories are told, or whatever the cultural customs - the religions are all the same. Every single one. The same Golden Rule, the same list of guiding rules to live life by, the same Miracle Child story and every other major story, the same sacred document, etc.etc.etc. They're all the same. And no group is ever 100% happy.
Religion has its place in the human experience; it's what people do with it that creates problems.
arthwollipot
12th May 2008, 08:26 PM
When you look closely at all the world's religions - Christainity and all its sectors, Muslim, Judaism, Paganism and all its sectors, Budhism, Atheism, various tribal religions, however many or few deities they have, whatever fantastical stories are told, or whatever the cultural customs - the religions are all the same. Every single one. The same Golden Rule, the same list of commandments, the same Miracle Child story, the same End-Of-The-World story, the same sacred document, etc.etc.etc. They're all the same.I think you'll find that atheism has no Miracle Child story, End-of-the-world story or sacred document...
Fnord
13th May 2008, 08:22 AM
I think you'll find that atheism has no Miracle Child story, End-of-the-world story or sacred document...
Darwin isn't the Miracle Man, the 'Big Crunch' isn't the end, and Dawkins never wrote anything quotable to live by?
:jaw-dropp
arthwollipot
13th May 2008, 04:31 PM
Darwin isn't the Miracle Man, the 'Big Crunch' isn't the end, and Dawkins never wrote anything quotable to live by?
:jaw-droppNot the same, and you know it.
Darwin wasn't born of a virgin, the "Big Crunch" (even if it happens at all which is doubtful) isn't the return of the deity where believers are saved and wrongdoers are punished, and Dawkins isn't considered divine.
And no-one considers his work as moral commandments.
Fnord
13th May 2008, 05:21 PM
Not the same, and you know it.
Darwin wasn't born of a virgin, the "Big Crunch" (even if it happens at all which is doubtful) isn't the return of the deity where believers are saved and wrongdoers are punished, and Dawkins isn't considered divine.
And no-one considers his work as moral commandments.
I know that I'm stretching the point, but consider...
Darwin, with a few strokes of a quill pen, transformed the entire human species into naked apes.
;)
The Big Crunch may or may not mark the return of any deity, but it may mark the return of the universe (albeit in a different form). And if you are a Naturalist, then that may be close enough.
:confused: Right?
I never said Dawkins was divine (and I never will), but either his works are profound enough to be quoted as the 'gospel' truth by his followers, or Dawkins merely determined where his followers were going, and then got in front of them - and I confess to believe that Dawkins is much too intelligent for that.
:D
arthwollipot
13th May 2008, 07:21 PM
I know that I'm stretching the point, but consider...Smileys noted. :D
Darwin, with a few strokes of a quill pen, transformed the entire human species into naked apes.
;)But is that really a miracle? Isn't it just an observation of how the world really is? Simply pointing out that everyone else was wrong about something doesn't make one a Miracle Man. Otherwise Jerome would be one.
The Big Crunch may or may not mark the return of any deity, but it may mark the return of the universe (albeit in a different form). And if you are a Naturalist, then that may be close enough.
:confused: Right?Doesn't quite line up with any religious Apocalypse, which invariably carries moral messages.
I never said Dawkins was divine (and I never will), but either his works are profound enough to be quoted as the 'gospel' truth by his followers, or Dawkins merely determined where his followers were going, and then got in front of them - and I confess to believe that Dawkins is much too intelligent for that.
:DYou claim that you don't say Dawkins is divine, then you refer to his "followers" as though he were. Despite claiming not to claim Dawkins is divine, you use language as though you do!
Fnord
14th May 2008, 05:57 PM
But is that really a miracle? Isn't it just an observation of how the world really is? Simply pointing out that everyone else was wrong about something doesn't make one a Miracle Man. Otherwise Jerome would be one.
But if you are one to not understand the science, it seems like just another religious/superstitious doctrine that Humans descended from Apes (or ape-like creatures).
Doesn't quite line up with any religious Apocalypse, which invariably carries moral messages.
Anything religious carries a moral message.
You claim that you don't say Dawkins is divine, then you refer to his "followers" as though he were. Despite claiming not to claim Dawkins is divine, you use language as though you do!
What I see is his followers behaving as if they believe he is divine - just criticize him or his works in their presence and watch the inquisitions begin!
Well, not inquisitions ... not even the likes of shouting the "N-word" at an Obama rally, but certainly the scorn and disdain felt by the Dawkinites towards non-believers in his teachings is expressed in a most forceful manner.
I guess you have to have been marinated in Biblical teachings for most of your life to see the parallels: Darwin is the Moses of the Naturalists, the Big Bang is Genesis 1:1, Dawkins is some messianic figure come to turn over the tables of the money-changing televangelists and set to right the beliefs of modern humans, and the Big Crunch is the Apocalypse.
I'd love to see how all this is reported 100 years from now ... or 500 ... or 2000...
:D
Rufo
14th May 2008, 07:06 PM
I'd love to see how all this is reported 100 years from now ... or 500 ... or 2000...
:D
Richard H. Dawkins! You startled me. What? Am I a critical thinker? No, sorry, not interested.
Found Dawkins? Oh, I doubt he ever existed. He seems too much like an imaginary figure representing the values of critical thinkers and atheists of that time period. I mean, just look at the stories you hear about him! Coining expressions? As all us Newspeakers know, that's completely unthinkable.
Ah, Dawkins. "Led a life free of uncritical thinking," you say. Easy to say when you have that idea of critical thinking, which I, for one, think is entirely in conflict with human nature. If nothing else, with what we've learned since those days, it's obvious that much of what he said isn't remotely viable. Can you imagine actually trying to apply that kind of thinking in this day and age? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you try. But of course there's a lot of picking and choosing going on. I'm sure you check out the horoscopes in the paper once in a while. See? You're already getting out on thin ice.
Yeah, I know you're excused from those things if you just "critically examine the material". Actually, that's one of the things that I just can't accept about this whole idea. What, as if critically examining it would somehow make it unread? Typical Dawkinsian hypocrisy. See, this is what I was talking about. Now you're getting all upset over this, just because you're clinging to an two millenia old imaginary role model.
Well, I've had quite enough of this. All I asked for was to be left alone. You do your thing if you must. Just don't get that "critical thinking" into the government or public schools. Dawkins knows what would happen if you did.
Primus
15th May 2008, 09:59 AM
I'd love to see how all this is reported 100 years from now ... or 500 ... or 2000...
:D
Its actually been parodied in an episode of South Park (I think it was go god go) Where in the future Dawkins is considered the saviour for freeing the world of religion but there are lots of different branches of athiest constantly at war over whos brand of athiesm and science is correct. They all wore ridiculous hats as well!
Fnord
15th May 2008, 03:15 PM
Its actually been parodied in an episode of South Park (I think it was go god go) Where in the future Dawkins is considered the saviour for freeing the world of religion but there are lots of different branches of athiest constantly at war over whos brand of athiesm and science is correct. They all wore ridiculous hats as well!
Let me guess ... some were made of superstrings, while others were made of dark matter?
MattusMaximus
15th May 2008, 08:43 PM
Its actually been parodied in an episode of South Park (I think it was go god go) Where in the future Dawkins is considered the saviour for freeing the world of religion but there are lots of different branches of athiest constantly at war over whos brand of athiesm and science is correct. They all wore ridiculous hats as well!
Yes, that's the one - a very funny episode indeed (actually, it's two episodes). Though I'm an atheist, I laughed my ass off when they parodied Dawkins! :D
Though the part where he hooked up with Ms. Garrison was... perverse... :boggled:
In case anyone is interested, you can access the episode here. (http://mrtwig.net/ep/1012.html)
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