I Found A Mistake In The 9/11 Commission Report

[gumboot]

Yes that's right, the 9/11 Commission Lied!

From page 27 of the PDF:

At the suggestion of the Boston Center's military liaison, NEADS contacted the FAA's Washington Center to ask about American 11. In the course of the conversation, a Washington Center manager informed NEADS: "We're looking- we also lost American 77". The time was 9:34. This was the first notice to the military that American 77 was missing, and it had come by chance. If NEADS had not placed that call, the NEADS air defenders would have received no information whatsoever that the flight was even missing, although the FAA had been searching for it.

In reality, NEADS called Washington Center several times well before this, and every time Washington Center expressed total lack of knowledge of the situation. The NEADS staff expressed their frustration:

09:29:29
DOOLEY: Washington better get on the loop. And I tell ya what, they better get their heads outta their arse. They better start looking for this guy.
NEADS UNKNOWN: Or the guy will find them.
DOOLEY: Boston is the only one giving us any kind of decent frikken input.

NEADS ID Techs earlier expressed their frustration to First Air Force, asking them to contact Washington Center and reiterate the seriousness of the situation. This resulted in the Operations Manager at Washington Center calling NEADS at 09:32:06. And it was during that call that the Operations Manager told them about AA77.

So to say the call came from NEADS to Washington, and to say that it came by chance, is totally false.



I offer this post as evidence that I do question the official account of 9/11, and do not blindly accept everything they tell us.

[LastChild]

Why do you think they left that out?

[Bobert]

LC,
I am with you!
This just wreaks of INSIDE JOB!

[beachnut]

9/11 truthers will not understand what this means.

If they were critical thinkers they could say something meaningful, but it may make the military look pro active.

[R.Mackey]

I offer this post as evidence that I do question the official account of 9/11, and do not blindly accept everything they tell us.


I doubt that matters to the Truth Movement. For instance, I've spent a long time identifying problems with NIST and even some disagreements on conclusions... yet nobody over there seems impressed. Unless one is prepared to throw the entire investigation out, which we are not, that doesn't seem to register.

Good find, though.

[LastChild]

So why do you think they left that out?

[WildCat]

So why do you think they left that out?
Because they're humans and they made a mistake?

What do you think it means LC? I really hope you say it means we can throw out the entire 9/11 Commission Report, because then by the same standard we can ignore everything the truth movement has put out to date. Agreed?

[boloboffin]

A couple of things. First, the 9/11 Commission Report doesn't say the call came by chance but only the mention of 77. Second, is 9:32:06 the start of the call that eventually mentioned 77? Because if so, when exactly did 77 get mentioned? That sounds like something that could get said about 2 minutes in, making the time 77 was mentioned 9:34, just like the Commission said.

Of course your point about who called who remains the same.

[LastChild]

Because they're humans and they made a mistake?

What do you think it means LC? I really hope you say it means we can throw out the entire 9/11 Commission Report, because then by the same standard we can ignore everything the truth movement has put out to date. Agreed?

Oh more mistakes huh?

Would that be irony? A report that tries to explain everything that happened on 9/11 by chalking it up to just a bunch of stupid mistakes is just a stupid mistake itself?

How about what you believe about 9/11? Do you ever think that might be a stupid mistake too?

[WildCat]

Oh more mistakes huh?

Would that be irony? A report that tries to explain everything that happened on 9/11 by chalking it up to just a bunch of stupid mistakes is just a stupid mistake itself?

How about what you believe about 9/11? Do you ever think that might be a stupid mistake too?
What do you think it means LC?

[Bob Klase]

I Found A Mistake In The 9/11 Commission Report

Yes that's right, the 9/11 Commission Lied!


So which is it? A mistake or a lie? Or does mistake automatically equal 'lie'? I'm sure you don't want that standard applied to the truth movement.

[pomeroo]

What do you think it means LC?


I have provided a hint explaining why you won't get an answer.

[gumboot]

A couple of things. First, the 9/11 Commission Report doesn't say the call came by chance but only the mention of 77. Second, is 9:32:06 the start of the call that eventually mentioned 77? Because if so, when exactly did 77 get mentioned? That sounds like something that could get said about 2 minutes in, making the time 77 was mentioned 9:34, just like the Commission said.

Of course your point about who called who remains the same.


The time it was mentioned is correct, but I take exception with the "it came by chance" description. The call from Washington to NEADS happened specifically because NEADS needed Washington to start giving them some good information. It wasn't dumb luck that resulted in the report about AA77 - it was a result of proactive efforts by NEADS.

[gumboot]

So which is it? A mistake or a lie? Or does mistake automatically equal 'lie'? I'm sure you don't want that standard applied to the truth movement.

Well I think it's kind of ironic because the Commission accuses NORAD of lying simply because they can't believe that NORAD didn't have time to review the tapes, while the Commission, who did review the tapes, still don't get it completely right.

As for the truth movement, I think a lot of their "mistakes" are born out of ignorance, but I think the leaders, in particular, lie a lot.

[adoucette]

The call from Washington to NEADS happened specifically because NEADS needed Washington to start giving them some good information.

Huh?

[beachnut]

Oh more mistakes huh?

Would that be irony? A report that tries to explain everything that happened on 9/11 by chalking it up to just a bunch of stupid mistakes is just a stupid mistake itself?

How about what you believe about 9/11? Do you ever think that might be a stupid mistake too?
I called it.

[gumboot]

Huh?


The Commission implies the notification about AA77 came by freak chance while NEADS were calling Washington about AA11. This is untrue. The notification about AA77 came about as a result of efforts by NEADS to get make Washington become more helpful with giving them information. This resulted in the First Air Force HQ contacting Washington, and that resulted in the Washington Operations Manager contacting NEADS and offering up the information.

I guess the argument is if Washington had been on the loop quicker they would have told NEADS about AA77 fifteen minutes earlier when they found out about it from Indianapolis Center.

(Not that I think this would have made any difference since no one suspected AA77 of being a hijack at that time, and no one knew where it was anyway)

[nlarosa]

What do you think it means LC?

bump waiting for LastChild to respond...

[boloboffin]

The time it was mentioned is correct, but I take exception with the "it came by chance" description. The call from Washington to NEADS happened specifically because NEADS needed Washington to start giving them some good information. It wasn't dumb luck that resulted in the report about AA77 - it was a result of proactive efforts by NEADS.

I see what you mean. The 9/11 Commission had several objectives, and one of them was not to point a finger of blame in too precise a direction, I believe, in the interest of moving past recriminations and getting on with stopping these kinds of attacks from happening again. If this account is a part of the effort, it is over the line.

[parky76]

So truthers can make mistakes..but the 9-11 commissiona cant?

did dylan avery make mistakes in his first edition of loose change...on purpose?

no? then why assume it about the 9-11 commission.

people are people. people make mistakes. thats unless you think government employees are supermen.

secondly, this is just thursday morning quaterbacking. everyone messed up on 9-11.

airport security fouled up by letting these guys on the planes. the fbi and ins fouled up by not getting these guys months before 9-11. the cia fouled up by not letting the fbi know about them. the air force fouled up by sending the fighter jets in the wrong direction. the nypd fouled up by having radios that didnt work. the whole system fouled up cause we were a continental fortress america and only expected ICBMs..not terrorist 757s.

but ofcourse, the truthers would have done it much..much better.

[Par]

So truthers can make mistakes..but the 9-11 commissiona cant? did dylan avery make mistakes in his first edition of loose change...on purpose? no? then why assume it about the 9-11 commission. people are people. people make mistakes. thats unless you think government employees are supermen. secondly, this is just thursday morning quaterbacking. everyone messed up on 9-11. airport security fouled up by letting these guys on the planes. the fbi and ins fouled up by not getting these guys months before 9-11. the cia fouled up by not letting the fbi know about them. the air force fouled up by sending the fighter jets in the wrong direction. the nypd fouled up by having radios that didnt work. the whole system fouled up cause we were a continental fortress america and only expected ICBMs..not terrorist 757s. but ofcourse, the truthers would have done it much..much better.


Who are you talking to?

[leonAzul]

So to say the call came from NEADS to Washington, and to say that it came by chance, is totally false.


Why call DC, when any pinhead knows that NORAD is situated in Cleveland OH?

[parky76]

i thought NORAD was at Cheyenne Mountain.

[Oxigen]

Who are you talking to?

And you presumably think that is ok. No accountability. 3000 dead, but a few guys made mistakes???

[leonAzul]

i thought NORAD was at Cheyenne Mountain.

Dial/Punch 411, ask for "Strategic Air Defense", and see where it goes
(although lately, one might be connected to Gao)

(No slight intended against the people of Mali--it's just that y'all don't speak amurrican :D )

[Horatius]

Uh-oh, gumboot, apparently we have to start turning on you now!
(http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/263897/1/#new)


So, would you like to buckle to our peer pressure now, or should I warm up the waterboard?

:rolleyes:

[gumboot]

Uh-oh, gumboot, apparently we have to start turning on you now!
(http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/263897/1/#new)


So, would you like to buckle to our peer pressure now, or should I warm up the waterboard?

:rolleyes:


:dl:

Oh that's just priceless. That simply slam dunk proves my argument that 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are only interested in finding holes in the official account, not finding the truth.

[gumboot]

Why call DC, when any pinhead knows that NORAD is situated in Cleveland OH?

:confused:

The called was supposedly from NORAD. Washington refers to the FAA's Washington Air Route Traffic Control Center.

I'm not aware of any NORAD installation in Ohio:

NORAD Command Center - Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado (now Peterson AFB, Colorado)
Continental US NORAD Region - Tyndall AFB, Florida
Alaska NORAD Region - Elemendorf AFB, Alaska
Canada NORAD Region - CFB Winnipeg, Manitoba
Western Air Defense Sector - McChord AFB, Washington
North East Air Defense Sector - Griffiss AFB (former), New York (now Eastern Air Defense Sector)
South East Air Defense Sector - Tyndall AFB, Florida (SEADS now closed)
Alaska Air Defense Sector - Elemendorf AFB, Alaska
Canada East Air Defense Sector - CFB North Bay, Ontario
Canada West Air Defense Sector - CFB North Bay, Ontario

[beachnut]

:dl:

Oh that's just priceless. That simply slam dunk proves my argument that 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are only interested in finding holes in the official account, not finding the truth.
They post with pure anti-intellectual zeal. No comprehension, pure stupid.

[gumboot]

I see what you mean. The 9/11 Commission had several objectives, and one of them was not to point a finger of blame in too precise a direction, I believe, in the interest of moving past recriminations and getting on with stopping these kinds of attacks from happening again. If this account is a part of the effort, it is over the line.



I guess what bugs me about it is the 9/11 Commission were so quick to dismiss claims by NORAD officers that they didn't have time to review the recordings, instead feeling no problem accusing them (publicly) of lying.

It kind of stinks of hypocrisy.

[twinstead]

:dl:

Oh that's just priceless. That simply slam dunk proves my argument that 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are only interested in finding holes in the official account, not finding the truth.

Huh. Ya THINK?

[Par]

Who are you talking to?And you presumably think that is ok. No accountability. 3000 dead, but a few guys made mistakes???


I’ve no idea what you’re talking about. I was asking Parky76 who he was talking to.

[Par]

Incidentally, good work, Gumboot.

[boloboffin]

Oh, come on, Gumboot. Just have a little faith in your government. :D

[Foolmewunz]

Oh, come on, Gumboot. Just have a little faith in your government. :D

Of New Zealand?

[boloboffin]

Of New Zealand?

Shhhhh.

[Horatius]

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[gumboot]

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He's still got it. :D

[LashL]

He's still got it. :D

In spades. :D