The Prozac/Flouride Conspiracy!!!

[Thunder]

Here is the conspiracy:

sodium flouride, used to flouridate water, toothpaste, and mouthwash, was also used by the Nazis to dumb down the Jews and make them docile and accepting of their fate. Prozac, has as its active ingredient...sodium flouride.

debunk:

sodium flouride is NaF. prozac is known as fluoxetine, or fluoxetine hydrochloride. this is C17H18F3NO.

#1. when you add another atom or molecule to an atom, such as flourine, the chemical and physical characteristics can be extremaly different.

#2. the atomic weight of F is 9. the complete atomic weight of a fluoxetine hydrochloride compound is 309. the total atomic mass of the fluorine component is 27. which is less then 10% of the total mass.

#3. even if the chemical and physical characteristics of the fluorine ions within the compound remained intact (which they do not), the percentage of the total mass of the whole compound is so small, that its effects upon ingestion would be miniscule.

conclusion: the idea that prozac is really sodium flouride..is wrong...totally wrong. the amount of flourine in a prozac (fluoxetine) molecule is miniscule. and even at its amount (less then 10%), the idea that it would still possess its chemical and hazardous physical properties, shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of basic chemistry and biology.

[Confuseling]

If it was the composition rather than the structure hydrocarbons and carbohydrates would be the same. More petrol, vicar?

[T.A.M.]

Here is the conspiracy:

sodium flouride, used to flouridate water, toothpaste, and mouthwash, was also used by the Nazis to dumb down the Jews and make them docile and accepting of their fate. Prozac, has as its active ingredient...sodium flouride.

debunk:


1. Prove that Sodium Fluoride, in sufficient amounts, can make people docile and accepting of things.

If #1 proven, then

2. Prove that Sodium Fluoride was used by the Nazis for the purpose stated. This requires (A) proof that they actively placed in the water, (B) that they placed it there in sufficient amounts to cause these effects, and (C) that the intent of placing it in the water was for the purposes of making people docile and accepting of things.

If #2 proven, then

3. Provide proof that the amount of Sodium Fluoride found in Treated Water, Toothpaste, or Prozac, is sufficient to cause said effects with every day use. this requires providing statistical evidence that the levels of the guilty compound/molecule are sufficiently high in said products, to produce claimed effects with average everyday use.

If they reach and provide strong evidence for #3 (must prove #1 and #2 first also) successfully, in your mind, they have a case. If not, it is the usual CT crap.

TAM:)

[Elizabeth I]

During the last big fight here about fluoridating our water supply, I heard someone on a radio talk show say that this was all a conspiracy to make us stupid because the water supply was already chlorinated, "and you know what you get if you add fluorine to chlorine? CHLOROFORM!"

[Thunder]

lol.

just mix the two together and thats what you get?

[Confuseling]

I saw one of them on TV complaining about chemicals in food. Picked up a bottle of vinegar, and in his best ernest voice said "This one contains something called acetic acid."

It's the same pervasive "Organic food forever! No chemicals in my brain!" lobby. Won't somebody think of the children, and have them all shot?

[patchbunny]

Here is the conspiracy:

sodium flouride, used to flouridate water, toothpaste, and mouthwash, was also used by the Nazis to dumb down the Jews and make them docile and accepting of their fate. Prozac, has as its active ingredient...sodium flouride.

Yes, but haven't studies shown that prozac is no more effective than a placebo, making the whole enterprise rather worthless anyway?

[T.A.M.]

Yes, but haven't studies shown that prozac is no more effective than a placebo, making the whole enterprise rather worthless anyway?

It depends on the illness you are treating, the dosage, and many other factors. I do recall reading, not so long ago, an article that claimed that prozac was no more effective than placebo, but it was an isolated paper. Many papers, in fact some metanalysis, have shown SSRI's superior to Placebo.

Anecdotally I can tell you that in my practice I have many, many patients who have revealed to me SUBSTANTIAL benefit from SSRIs with regard to the symptoms of depression and GAD.

TAM:)