Charges against 20th highjacker dropped

[geggy]

US drops charges against Saudi in Sept. 11 attacks By BEN FOX, Associated Press Writer
Tue May 13, 12:49 AM ET

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - The Pentagon has dropped charges against a Saudi at Guantanamo who was alleged to have been the so-called "20th hijacker" in the Sept. 11 attacks, his U.S. military defense lawyer said Monday.

Mohammed al-Qahtani was one of six men charged by the military in February with murder and war crimes for their alleged roles in the 2001 attacks. Authorities say al-Qahtani missed out on taking part in the attacks because he was denied entry to the U.S. by an immigration agent.

But in reviewing the case, the convening authority for military commissions, Susan Crawford, decided to dismiss the charges against al-Qahtani and proceed with the arraignment for the other five, said Army Lt. Col. Bryan Broyles, the Saudi's military lawyer.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080513/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/guantanamo_sept11_trial

Poor debunkers =(

[DGM]

Poor debunkers =(
Poor debunkers?

[DC]

i thaught Massoui was the 20th hijacker.

[geggy]

I thought so too but since moussaoui's trial didnt stand up to scrunity, they probably found someone else to torture into confessing he was the 20th hijackers, which also didnt stand up to scrunity.

[zorro99]

You need to read the full story from the link above. There were SIX to be tried, and only ONE was dropped. The others will proceed:

"Mohammed al-Qahtani was one of six men charged by the military in February with murder and war crimes for their alleged roles in the 2001 attacks. Authorities say al-Qahtani missed out on taking part in the attacks because he was denied entry to the U.S. by an immigration agent.

But in reviewing the case, the convening authority for military commissions, Susan Crawford, decided to dismiss the charges against al-Qahtani and proceed with the arraignment for the other five, said Army Lt. Col. Bryan Broyles, the Saudi's military lawyer"

[Dave Rogers]

Poor debunkers =(

Yes, the decision to "proceed with the arraignment of the other five" suspects clearly pales into insignificance beside the fact that charges against one have been dropped.

Dave

[Dave Rogers]

You need to read the full story from the link above.

Just reading his own post would do. But you can't really expect that level of intellectual analysis, can you?

Dave

[Horatius]

Man, I'm starting to lose faith in the NWO; We can plan a massive attack involving planting thousands of bombs, interfere with the response time of the most powerful military on Earth, blow up three and a half buildings in broad daylight without anyone realizing it, and suppress any and all actual evidence for years afterwards, but now, we can't even manage a frame up of one Arab Caveman?

What have we come to? Did we peak too early? It is all just a slide down into Vast Worldwide Conspiracy Senility now?

[Undesired Walrus]

The phrase "The 20th Hijacker" is media-speak for "Let's make this suspect sound exciting". So far three have been called that.

For a government fabricating the events of 9/11, it's percular behaviour to go forward and drop charges against someone they were intent on fabricating evidence against.

If geggy knew anything about september 11th, he would realise that the case against al-Qahtani was poor in comparison to the overwhelming evidence against RBAS and KSM.

If he'd like me to go into it, I'd be most happy to do so.

[DC]

i agree abouot media marketing 20th hijacker.

but when your evidence against KSM was so overwhelming.

why did you need to waterboard him ?

[gumboot]

i agree abouot media marketing 20th hijacker.

but when your evidence against KSM was so overwhelming.

why did you need to waterboard him ?


Who said he needed to be waterboarded?

[WildCat]

i agree abouot media marketing 20th hijacker.

but when your evidence against KSM was so overwhelming.

why did you need to waterboard him ?
The waterboarding was to get him to reveal other plots in progress, and locations of accomplices.

It wasn't to get him to confess to planning 9/11.

[Good Lt]

i agree abouot media marketing 20th hijacker.

but when your evidence against KSM was so overwhelming.

why did you need to waterboard him ?

To get more information from him.

Read this again, by the way. Poor Troofers.

"Mohammed al-Qahtani was one of six men charged by the military in February with murder and war crimes for their alleged roles in the 2001 attacks. Authorities say al-Qahtani missed out on taking part in the attacks because he was denied entry to the U.S. by an immigration agent.

But in reviewing the case, the convening authority for military commissions, Susan Crawford, decided to dismiss the charges against al-Qahtani and proceed with the arraignment for the other five, said Army Lt. Col. Bryan Broyles, the Saudi's military lawyer"Probably no evidence against them, though.

[moon1969]

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is Ramzi Yousefs uncle. Again I bet Yousef will testify against his uncle KSM. Twoofers please interview Yousef. I would be very interested to see what Mr Yousef thinks about the fact that twoofers claim he worked for FBI in 1993. Yousef still is in ADX Florence. Allso Omar Abdel-Rahman will probaly testify against KSM if they pardon him.

[twinstead]

As you KNOW, cheney, KSM admitted to 911 long before he was captured. Unless you want to accuse Al Jazeera of waterbording, I'm not sure what your point is.

Oh, yes I do. You're just throwing out hyperbole and appeals to emotion to support a position that is unsupportable with real facts. Sorry.

[DC]

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is Ramzi Yousefs uncle. Again I bet Yousef will testify against his uncle KSM. Twoofers please interview Yousef. I would be very interested to see what Mr Yousef thinks about the fact that twoofers claim he worked for FBI in 1993. Yousef still is in ADX Florence. Allso Omar Abdel-Rahman will probaly testify against KSM if they pardon him.



isnt that the guy from the 1993 WTC Bombing?
the guy that recorded hours of conversation with the FBI agent / His boss?

[DC]

As you KNOW, cheney, KSM admitted to 911 long before he was captured. Unless you want to accuse Al Jazeera of waterbording, I'm not sure what your point is.

Oh, yes I do. You're just throwing out hyperbole and appeals to emotion to support a position that is unsupportable with real facts. Sorry.

has anyone a link to that admiting of KSM from Aljazeera?
i dont say its not true, i heard it many times, but i never saw that. and i cant find it, can anyone provide a link pls?

[Clippy]

As you KNOW, cheney, KSM admitted to 911 long before he was captured. Unless you want to accuse Al Jazeera of waterbording, I'm not sure what your point is.

Oh, yes I do. You're just throwing out hyperbole and appeals to emotion to support a position that is unsupportable with real facts. Sorry.

You almost got it. Think about how ridiculous your presumed accusation is and you're all the way there.

I thought waterboarding was a euphemism.

[Clippy]

The waterboarding was to get him to reveal other plots in progress, and locations of accomplices.

It wasn't to get him to confess to planning 9/11.

If I were Jimmy, I'd be watching my back when I visit Palestine.

[Undesired Walrus]

has anyone a link to that admiting of KSM from Aljazeera?
i dont say its not true, i heard it many times, but i never saw that. and i cant find it, can anyone provide a link pls?

Yes, a good place to start in educating yourself about 9/11 is with the book "Masterminds of Terror" by the Egyptian Yosri Fouda, who was blindfolded, driven around for three days and then met both KSM and RBAS for a few days in Pakistan. He also did a documentary to accompany it called "Top secret". Here is a clip I took from the documentary with audio from RBAS admitting to planning the attacks.

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[Undesired Walrus]

The waterboarding was to get him to reveal other plots in progress, and locations of accomplices.


And for those who read the commission report, they would realise that he did not give up locations of Al Qaeda spies in South Africa and California.

If torture could make him say anything they wanted, why not that?

[DC]

Yes, a good place to start in educating yourself about 9/11 is with the book "Masterminds of Terror" by the Egyptian Yosri Fouda, who was blindfolded, driven around for three days and then met both KSM and RBAS for a few days in Pakistan. He also did a documentary to accompany it called "Top secret". Here is a clip I took from the documentary with audio from RBAS admitting to planning the attacks.

3286456039719764674&hl=en

i didnt watch it yet, im still at work.
is it the video that shows KMS admiting on ALJazeera?

[DC]

And for those who read the commission report, they would realise that he did not give up locations of Al Qaeda spies in South Africa and California.

If torture could make him say anything they wanted, why not that?

why did the Commission never see those videos?

[SpitfireIX]

isnt that the guy from the 1993 WTC Bombing?
the guy that recorded hours of conversation with the FBI agent / His boss?


No, that was Emad Salem, who was an informant, and not an agent (two very different things). Read the NY Times articles linked in the Wikipedia piece for the full story. Note particularly the correction at the end of one article (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE6DF1138F93BA15753C1A9659582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=3):

Correction: October 29, 1993, Friday

An article yesterday about accounts of a plot to build a bomb that was eventually exploded at the World Trade Center referred imprecisely in some copies to what Federal officials knew about the plan before the blast. Transcripts of tapes made secretly by an informant, Emad A. Salem, quote him as saying he warned the Government that a bomb was being built. But the transcripts do not make clear the extent to which the Federal authorities knew that the target was the World Trade Center. [bolding mine]

[Undesired Walrus]

why did the Commission never see those videos?

Why do you ask questions to move goalposts?

[Undesired Walrus]

is it the video that shows KMS admiting on ALJazeera?

It is part of the Al Jazeera documentary in question yes. But as I said -"Perfect Soldiers"- the detailed book on the subject (The Al Jazeera reporter who met them), is what you should really read. I can't recommend it highly enough, and I think you will learn much from reading it.

Not everything in the world is on youtube.

[DC]

No, that was Emad Salem, who was an informant, and not an agent (two very different things). Read the NY Times articles linked in the Wikipedia piece for the full story. Note particularly the correction at the end of one article (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE6DF1138F93BA15753C1A9659582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=3):

ah right, that was the guys name. with agent, i ment the guy that was from the FBI, not the informant.

and you do belive that the FBI "helped" its informant, and they did not know the Target?

wel but thats OT

[DC]

It is part of the Al Jazeera documentary in question yes. But as I said -"Perfect Soldiers"- the detailed book on the subject (The Al Jazeera reporter who met them), is what you should really read. I can't recommend it highly enough, and I think you will learn much from reading it.

Not everything in the world is on youtube.

i have already readed enough claims about it, now i would like to see that admiting video.
i dont want to read what peoples claim, i would ilike to see that video. thats all. i dont say it is lied or wrong, i just want to see that video.

[T.A.M.]

good luck with that.

Once again, an average joe demanding to see every piece of plane, every video, every piece of DNA.

TAM

[Viper Daimao]

i have already readed enough claims about it, now i would like to see that admiting video.
i dont want to read what peoples claim, i would ilike to see that video. thats all. i dont say it is lied or wrong, i just want to see that video.

well what's stopping you? Go see it.

[beachnut]

I thought so too but since moussaoui's trial didnt stand up to scrunity, they probably found someone else to torture into confessing he was the 20th hijackers, which also didnt stand up to scrunity.
Oh, you posted; have you changed.

Why torture the terrorist, they are proud, they tell you they did it. Much more truthful than the false information merchants of 9/11 truth. Don't you think?

[Jonnyclueless]

i thaught Massoui was the 20th hijacker.

You should read the news. Not just about OJ, but this area as well. It's no wonder you're always so "on the fence" about issues. Learning more about them would help you greatly.

[Jonnyclueless]

i have already readed enough claims about it, now i would like to see that admiting video.
i dont want to read what peoples claim, i would ilike to see that video. thats all. i dont say it is lied or wrong, i just want to see that video.

I'd like to see the actual remains of demolition charges used to bring down the WTC. Heck, I would like to see any physical evidence for that at all.

[mrbaracuda]

Poor debunkers =(

Poor geggy, shootimg him/herself in the foot like this.

[SpitfireIX]

. . . and you do belive that the FBI "helped" its informant, and they did not know the Target?


You're assuming the informant knew the target at the time he was reporting. Are you familiar with the concept of "need to know"?

[Confuseling]

...For a government fabricating the events of 9/11, it's percular behaviour to go forward and drop charges against someone they were intent on fabricating evidence against.
...

Plausible deniability. Managing dissent by artificially constructing the parameters of debate, compartmentalising knowledge, and deliberately allowing the left hand to work against the right.

It's exactly the same reasoning as that which led them to plant the passport in the street beside the twin towers. Why would they do that? Because to an untrained eye it's extraordinarily suspicious. It's a smokescreen. They want you to be suspicious, just about the wrong things.

Why did they let building 7 burn for 7 hours, then demolish it symmetrically, once the dust had cleared? Precisely because you'd have to be an idiot to do so. Nobody would do that, so they can't have. Or can they?

It's an elaborate tune to which we dance. But I'll try to lay it out simply: Any evidence that appears to point towards the conspiracy, points towards the conspiracy; while any evidence that appears to point away from the conspiracy, points towards the conspiracy.

I hope you like conspiracies. ;)

[yodaluver28]

ah right, that was the guys name. with agent, i ment the guy that was from the FBI, not the informant.

and you do belive that the FBI "helped" its informant, and they did not know the Target?

wel but thats OT

The FBI didn't know the target of the '93 attacks beforehand because their informant, Emad Salem, left the case in July 2002, 7 months before the attack. Salem quit because when he'd originally agreed to become a mole inside Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman's terror cell in Brooklyn, the FBI had promised him that he would be a pure intelligence asset and thus would never have to testify in open court or wear a wire. After discovering the bombing plot, it was Salem's job to play along with the plan long enough for the FBI to gather details about the target and planned date but they he never got that far before his case was handed off to a different agent than the one who recruited him. His new handler tried to go back on his original agreement with the FBI and force him to wear a wire and testify in court. Salem, afraid for his family's lives once Rahman's inner circle discovered he was a mole as a result of his public testimony, refused and stopped going to Rahman's mosque altogether.

In September 2002, Ramzi Yousef was brought to New York from Pakistan to replace Salem, a former Egyptian military officer who was supposedly going to build the bomb. With Salem out of the inner circle, the FBI had no details about when or where the bombing would take place or where the bomb was being put together.

After the bombing, Salem contacted the FBI and told them that bombing co-conspirator Mahmud Abouhalima had fled to Egypt and as a result of Salem's information, he was captured. Soon after, Salem informed the FBI that another bombing plot was being planned by Rahman. Salem was paid a lump sum of $1.5 million to re-infiltrate the terror cell. This time, Rahman and his co-conspirators were arrested before the attacks could occur. Salem was the key witness for the prosecution's case. He and his entire family have been in the Witness Protection Program ever since.

[DC]

I'd like to see the actual remains of demolition charges used to bring down the WTC. Heck, I would like to see any physical evidence for that at all.

and i want to see the steel from Column 79, 80 and 81 from WTC 7

[DC]

The FBI didn't know the target of the '93 attacks beforehand because their informant, Emad Salem, left the case in July 2002, 7 months before the attack. Salem quit because when he'd originally agreed to become a mole inside Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman's terror cell in Brooklyn, the FBI had promised him that he would be a pure intelligence asset and thus would never have to testify in open court or wear a wire. After discovering the bombing plot, it was Salem's job to play along with the plan long enough for the FBI to gather details about the target and planned date but they he never got that far before his case was handed off to a different agent than the one who recruited him. His new handler tried to go back on his original agreement with the FBI and force him to wear a wire and testify in court. Salem, afraid for his family's lives once Rahman's inner circle discovered he was a mole as a result of his public testimony, refused and stopped going to Rahman's mosque altogether.

In September 2002, Ramzi Yousef was brought to New York from Pakistan to replace Salem, a former Egyptian military officer who was supposedly going to build the bomb. With Salem out of the inner circle, the FBI had no details about when or where the bombing would take place or where the bomb was being put together.

After the bombing, Salem contacted the FBI and told them that bombing co-conspirator Mahmud Abouhalima had fled to Egypt and as a result of Salem's information, he was captured. Soon after, Salem informed the FBI that another bombing plot was being planned by Rahman. Salem was paid a lump sum of $1.5 million to re-infiltrate the terror cell. This time, Rahman and his co-conspirators were arrested before the attacks could occur. Salem was the key witness for the prosecution's case. He and his entire family have been in the Witness Protection Program ever since.

Wow thank you for your post. very detailed.

i think i should take a closer look into this. i didnt.
thx

[Brainster]

The FBI didn't know the target of the '93 attacks beforehand because their informant, Emad Salem, left the case in July 2002, 7 months before the attack.

In September 2002, Ramzi Yousef was brought to New York from Pakistan to replace Salem, a former Egyptian military officer who was supposedly going to build the bomb.

I think in both those cases you meant to say 1992, not 2002.

[Loss Leader]

but when your evidence against KSM was so overwhelming.

why did you need to waterboard him ?


Trust me. We didn't need to waterboard him.

[BenBurch]

Poor debunkers =(

Doesn't effect what happened on 9/11/01 one iota.

And if you think it does, you have some severe cognitive issues.

[Drudgewire]

Doesn't effect what happened on 9/11/01 one iota.

And if you think it does, you have some severe cognitive issues.

These are my favorite threads. Twoofers read a headline, think it supports their belief, and come running here to post and make asses out of themselves with it. :D

[Undesired Walrus]

Wow thank you for your post. very detailed.

i think i should take a closer look into this. i didnt.
thx

Good for you.

[Alt+F4]

why did you need to waterboard him ?

I can think of 2,975 reasons.

[SDC]

I thought so too but since moussaoui's trial didnt stand up to scrunity, they probably found someone else to torture into confessing he was the 20th hijackers, which also didnt stand up to scrunity.

Bolded by me. Wait a minute. When did we learn that M's trial didn't stand up to ... uh, I suppose that's "scrutiny." (But there is something about the word "scrunity" that makes me want to, well, play footsie with the OED). What the heck was the matter with M's trial? Looked like a pretty solid case.

Actually, I see geggy used "scrunity" twice. The old saying says, What I tell you 3 times is true... Keep going, geggy.

[SDC]

You know, I'm old enough to start muttering about "senior moments," without really meaning it. That awkward age, too young to be comfy with the idea of retiring but too old not to think about it sometimes.

But I did just have what I will call a "Joan of Arc moment." A magisterial voice came out of my computer and said, "Look at this." http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/13/911.hijacker/index.html

The fundamental point is that al Quaeda claimed that the real "20th hijacker but he took the wrong exit off the freeway outside Disney World" was a Saudi killed in '04, not al-Qahtani. Though same article says some US sources thought he, al Qahtani, was, at least around '06. Geggy, all things considered, what did you mean to say? You know, clarity of exposition can be your friend.

Hope I got this right.

Meanwhile, I'm awaiting for further instructions in the next revelation, like, "Drive the English out of France and/ or Scotland depending on circumstances." But that's another story.