cyclonic
13th May 2008, 05:08 AM
The truthers claim that burning jet fuel was not the cause of the collapse, i agree as most of the fuel would be burnt off after 10 mins.
The truthers claim that burning office equipment, furniture etc, has never resulted in a collapse, this is a false claim because most people who do research know that despite not being struck by a boeing 767 the outer steel framing on the upper floors of the windsor tower, Madrid, completely failed leaving the concrete core standing by itself and proving that steel framed buildings can collapse due to an office equipment,furniture,etc. fire and that a concrete building could survive such a fire as shown by the concrete core not collapsing.
This truthers video clearly shows steel framing of the outer top floors collapsing and the next day the concrete core still standing.
(had a good laugh when i found this video,at the truthers lack of thinking.)
GEPjOi2dQSM
the fire started at 11.00pm on the 21st floor
12.00am all floors above the 21st floor on fire (21-28) news report.
2.00am fire spreads down to 17th floor
4.00 upper steel framing collapses
The fire that started in one spot took 5 hrs to spread and heat up the steel to cause the collapse.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Top_of_windsor_tower_ruins_.jpg/450px-Top_of_windsor_tower_ruins_.jpg
Could just an office fire have brought down the towers?
we can only speculate.
On 9/11/01 each tower was struck by a boeing 767 traveling at approx.480mph into tower 1, 570mph into tower 2, leaving huge holes in each tower spanning 6 floors, not much wreckage ejected from both towers, the "nose out" wreckage seen to eject from the south tower was likely an inner part of one of the engines from flight 175 with some building debris in front of it.
Both towers have severe damage including fire proofing blown off the columns and trusses from the impacts, but remain standing.
For the first time in history we have 2 all steel frame skyscrapers with massive holes spread over approx.6 floors allowing possibly the best ventilated skyscraper fire in history, a chimney effect as well as the effects from the wind.
Piled up against the core on the 95/96th floor in the north tower and on the north east corner of the 81st floor in the south tower was the shredded fuselage wreckage of a 123 377 kilogram = 271 999.725 22 lb, lbs, 121.428 448 76 long ton (max.landing weight) boeing 767-200 in each tower consisting of 200+ airline seats,plastic interior trimming, floor coverings, rubber and plastic hoses/pipes,hydralic fluids, plastic coated wires, luggage,cargo,tyres, etc,etc.
Set alight by 20,000 gallons of jet fuel in the north tower and 10,000 gallons of jet fuel in the south tower.
Both towers instantly have huge fires in them with no chance of any kind of control.
You can see the wreckage piled up on the northeast corner of the 81st floor in the south tower in this video
DhHzMttUKO0
As anyone who has seen aircraft fires, oil well fires,plastic fires, rubber fires, and burning floor coverings knows black smoke is NOT a sign of "oxygen starvation", with the massive holes in both towers this claim is extremely pathetic.
how bad is a jetliner fire? air france flight 358 overran the runway in toronto and ended up in a ravine 300 meters from the end of the runway, fortunately everyone escaped before a fire broke out and engulfed the plane, despite the emergency response teams being on site within 52 seconds of the crash the fire still burned for 2hrs.
As can be seen in this photo, the upper part of the fuselage melted.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Air_France_Flight_358.jpg
AS a matter of fact nearly all plane fires that doesn't involve a crash have had the upper part of their fuselage melt.
Saudi flight 163
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/saudi163.jpg
china airlines fire.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/China_Airlines_B-18616_fire.jpg
So the fires in the planes reached a minimun 660c/1220f to melt the aluminum.
Truthers are quick to say
"jet fuel doesn't melt steel" - who said it did? alex jones,lol.
"first time in history steel framed buildings collapsed from fire" - wrong.
"An office furniture and equipment fire can't bring down the towers"
We can only speculate on that one.
The facts are that
For the first time in history 2 steel framed skyscrapers were struck by b767s,
suffered major damage , had 6 floors instantly on fire,massive holes supplying oxygen and a shredded fuselage that was burning profusely, almost immediately,in each tower.
high tempatures would be achieved very quickly, making the 5 hrs for the madrid tower steel framing collapse irrelavent.
Minutes after the impacts,the collapses was only a matter of time.
The burning piles of plane wreckage and other debris made it inevitable.
Why don't truthers understand this?
Steven Jones trying to melt steel with a cigarette lighter only proves he is an idiot, this idiot had to be shown how to use a cigarette lighter!
The truthers claim that burning office equipment, furniture etc, has never resulted in a collapse, this is a false claim because most people who do research know that despite not being struck by a boeing 767 the outer steel framing on the upper floors of the windsor tower, Madrid, completely failed leaving the concrete core standing by itself and proving that steel framed buildings can collapse due to an office equipment,furniture,etc. fire and that a concrete building could survive such a fire as shown by the concrete core not collapsing.
This truthers video clearly shows steel framing of the outer top floors collapsing and the next day the concrete core still standing.
(had a good laugh when i found this video,at the truthers lack of thinking.)
GEPjOi2dQSM
the fire started at 11.00pm on the 21st floor
12.00am all floors above the 21st floor on fire (21-28) news report.
2.00am fire spreads down to 17th floor
4.00 upper steel framing collapses
The fire that started in one spot took 5 hrs to spread and heat up the steel to cause the collapse.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Top_of_windsor_tower_ruins_.jpg/450px-Top_of_windsor_tower_ruins_.jpg
Could just an office fire have brought down the towers?
we can only speculate.
On 9/11/01 each tower was struck by a boeing 767 traveling at approx.480mph into tower 1, 570mph into tower 2, leaving huge holes in each tower spanning 6 floors, not much wreckage ejected from both towers, the "nose out" wreckage seen to eject from the south tower was likely an inner part of one of the engines from flight 175 with some building debris in front of it.
Both towers have severe damage including fire proofing blown off the columns and trusses from the impacts, but remain standing.
For the first time in history we have 2 all steel frame skyscrapers with massive holes spread over approx.6 floors allowing possibly the best ventilated skyscraper fire in history, a chimney effect as well as the effects from the wind.
Piled up against the core on the 95/96th floor in the north tower and on the north east corner of the 81st floor in the south tower was the shredded fuselage wreckage of a 123 377 kilogram = 271 999.725 22 lb, lbs, 121.428 448 76 long ton (max.landing weight) boeing 767-200 in each tower consisting of 200+ airline seats,plastic interior trimming, floor coverings, rubber and plastic hoses/pipes,hydralic fluids, plastic coated wires, luggage,cargo,tyres, etc,etc.
Set alight by 20,000 gallons of jet fuel in the north tower and 10,000 gallons of jet fuel in the south tower.
Both towers instantly have huge fires in them with no chance of any kind of control.
You can see the wreckage piled up on the northeast corner of the 81st floor in the south tower in this video
DhHzMttUKO0
As anyone who has seen aircraft fires, oil well fires,plastic fires, rubber fires, and burning floor coverings knows black smoke is NOT a sign of "oxygen starvation", with the massive holes in both towers this claim is extremely pathetic.
how bad is a jetliner fire? air france flight 358 overran the runway in toronto and ended up in a ravine 300 meters from the end of the runway, fortunately everyone escaped before a fire broke out and engulfed the plane, despite the emergency response teams being on site within 52 seconds of the crash the fire still burned for 2hrs.
As can be seen in this photo, the upper part of the fuselage melted.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Air_France_Flight_358.jpg
AS a matter of fact nearly all plane fires that doesn't involve a crash have had the upper part of their fuselage melt.
Saudi flight 163
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/saudi163.jpg
china airlines fire.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/China_Airlines_B-18616_fire.jpg
So the fires in the planes reached a minimun 660c/1220f to melt the aluminum.
Truthers are quick to say
"jet fuel doesn't melt steel" - who said it did? alex jones,lol.
"first time in history steel framed buildings collapsed from fire" - wrong.
"An office furniture and equipment fire can't bring down the towers"
We can only speculate on that one.
The facts are that
For the first time in history 2 steel framed skyscrapers were struck by b767s,
suffered major damage , had 6 floors instantly on fire,massive holes supplying oxygen and a shredded fuselage that was burning profusely, almost immediately,in each tower.
high tempatures would be achieved very quickly, making the 5 hrs for the madrid tower steel framing collapse irrelavent.
Minutes after the impacts,the collapses was only a matter of time.
The burning piles of plane wreckage and other debris made it inevitable.
Why don't truthers understand this?
Steven Jones trying to melt steel with a cigarette lighter only proves he is an idiot, this idiot had to be shown how to use a cigarette lighter!