StopSylviaBrowne - Email: KMOV-TV - Sylvia Browne, Real or Fake?

[RSLancastr]

New article up:

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/email_kmovtv.shtml
Email: KMOV-TV - Sylvia Browne, Real or Fake?
An ex-minister in Sylvia Browne's church gives her thoughts on a TV expose'.

[MaryCBW]

Good grief. I know she is not psychic but is she also lacking common sense?
Ewwwwwwwww. Sylvia without makeup is nastier than usual.

[Empress]

Great job, Robert, as always. Kudos to Ms Davis for coming forward to tell what she knows firsthand about this fraud who has hurt so many grieving people.

That reminded me of you, one of the rare people on this planet who are not just standing by doing nothing. Thanks again for all the great work you are doing, and the impeccable research.

QFT.

Keep up the great work; you know you're having a genuine effect.

[PastBrowneFan]

Thanks to Cheri for sharing this.

Rob

[PastBrowneFan]

Also, I must add that we know the Channel 4 Expose really must have sent Sylvia into a tirade since Heather, or Vera, posted about it on the GSB blog.

Sylvia and her crew are showing severe signs of desperation, and that blog posting shows it.

The best part is that many of the fervent Sylvia Browne Cult followers that never heard of the newscast now can be exposed to the fraud that Sylvia is via the GSB blog.

[ExMinister]

Rob,

What did they say on GSB?

[alfaniner]

I guess it's a little disheartening to learn that she still believes that there are other "real psychics" out there, and other newage to go along with it, but it's a grand first step.

[RSLancastr]

Rob,

What did they say on GSB?There is a link to it in the Links section of the article.

[ExMinister]

RSL, thanks for pointing out the link.

And just for the record, she said, "Perhaps there are genuine psychics...with good intentions" but Sylvia isn't one of them. One should not take that to mean she believes there definitely are any.

I hope that this article helps to dispel the myth that Robert is writing all of the articles himself (i.e., there are no ex-ministers coming forward) and I hope it helps by speaking the language of her fans and believers, while still getting the message across that they are misguided in their loyalty. I am tired of the same old arguments cropping up on all the fan sites/message boards, including that RSL and James Randi (and anyone who dares speak up about Sylvia) are "dark entities" and someone needed to address these.

Thanks, RSL!

[Hawthorne]

I heard Sylvia say in a lecture once that you shouldn't think someone is a dark entity just because they disagree with you or don't like you...guess that doesn't apply to people who disagree with and don't like her.

Anyway, great article Robert, I hope this one scoots some of her believers closer to the truth. But I know that a lot of them will just ignore this as more negativity and they'll stick up for their poor Sylvia - focusing, like the blog did, on how wrong the reporter was wrong in catching her outside her hotel (which isn't unethical) rather than admitting they were wrong in believing in a fraud.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

I got a smile out of all the comments posted on the blog. :) Of which there are actually 32 (did you make a mistake? Or did they pop up after you finished the article?).

I think your response was excellent. I can't seem to get it through to people how hard and long I've looked for any case that she has solved successfully.

When I started out, I of course had no expectation of finding a successful one- but even I was stunned at what I found! Dismal. Absolutely dismal. I was counting on one or two that she had gotten mostly right through luck and educated guessing and I didn't even find that!

I've gone through dozens upon dozens of them and hundreds of transcripts and not once have I found one where she does anything but fail specularly or give no help whatsoever- which in my book, is a spectacular failure. If anyone knows how badly she fares at missing person's/ missing bodies, homicides/ other crimes, it's me.

It makes me angry to hear people trot out the "one mistake" line- all my hard work (and yours, Robert) and her followers still think she's ever solved a single case!

[Kilgore Trout]

Thanks to Cheri for the email, and thanks RSL for posting it.

The video is down (for me, at this time, anyway) but as to the blog comments, the thing that really infuriates me are that some of the comments saying that the news piece was one sided and it's just one case of her being wrong (and things to that effect). Your reply to that, RSL, is great (as are the ex-ministers' comments) but I'm saddened that people afterwards STILL repeat it.

It's just one case. Show one time she's right. She only claims 80%. She's batting .000. She's only human. No, she's not.

Arg!

[Locknar]

Speaking of the KMOV story.... I wonder what would happen if someone (or multiple someone's) made the suggestion to Craig Cheatham to contact other affiliate stations where SB will be for her "farewell tour" for follow-up stories.

Humm.....

[RSLancastr]

Keep up the great work; you know you're having a genuine effect.Thanks, Empress!

Also, I must add that we know the Channel 4 Expose really must have sent Sylvia into a tirade since Heather, or Vera, posted about it on the GSB blog.Who is Vera?

I guess it's a little disheartening to learn that she still believes that there are other "real psychics" out there, and other newage to go along with it, but it's a grand first step.That's not what she said, a9er. She said "perhaps."

RSL, thanks for pointing out the link.You're welcome!

I hope that this article helps to dispel the myth that Robert is writing all of the articles himselfI hadn't heard that myth!

Thanks, RSL!Thanks you, Ex-M!

Anyway, great article Robert, I hope this one scoots some of her believers closer to the truth.Thanks, Hawthorne!

I got a smile out of all the comments posted on the blog. :) Of which there are actually 32 (did you make a mistake? Or did they pop up after you finished the article?). There were 23 at the time. Then there were 32, then 34, now there's 35.

Thanks to Cheri for the email, and thanks RSL for posting it.Thanks, KT.

[ExMinister]

Vera is probably Vera Espana.

The myth i mentioned was just the idea that seems to come up in some internet discussions among Sylvia fans (including, as I recall, the one you participated in awhile back) that since most of your contributors choose to remain anonymous, you have been making all of it up.

Didn't someone say Heather was out of the picture? If so, perhaps the blog comment was written by one of her sons. It's certainly written with arrogance. Small wonder Craig Cheatham declined to include such a snide comment on his site. At any rate, apparently this is the best they could come up with to try to spin it in Sylvia's favor, which is just pathetic considering the magnitude of the Shawn Hornbeck situation and the fact that she still couldn't even bring herself to utter a simple apology or expression of regret.

[Gravy]

That's a devastating letter. Good job, Robert, and thanks, Cheri!

[wahrheit]

Two quotes from the GSB blog entry (http://gosylviabrowne.com/blog/2008/05/12/for-the-appropriately-named-craig-cheatham/):

It also is not because the whole incident bothered Sylvia. Just in case the attention mongers who love the stroking they receive from Robert Lancaster (you know who you are) think that this has made any sort of impact, you are wrong. As of this moment, Sylvia does not even know that this newscast exists.

:eusa_liar:

Craig:I hope you didn’t waste too much of KMOV’s money reporting on your “investigation” which you quite apparently ripped off from Anderson Cooper and Robert Lancaster.

The enemy names RSL in one sentence with Anderson Cooper. Robert is teh famous now! :eusa_clap:

The blog entry says all this has no impact whatsoever and $ylvia Browne doesn't care, I don't believe a word of it. Why such an angry blog entry for nothing? Sure, it was not written by SB and this KMOV/Cheri thing is "only" one further brick removed from the wall of lies behind which SB is hiding, but this blog post smacks a bit of desperation and dashed hopes.

Many thanks to Cheri Davis and Robert!

[Locknar]

I can buy the “SB does not care” aspect; obviously a long time fraud I’d be shocked if she cared about a local news cast.

However, to imply that “SB does not even know this newscast exists” is surprising. She talks to dead people (as easy as making a phone call so she says), has a “spirit guide”, a PR staff, handlers, etc. – and she does not know? Is she a nitwit? Are all these folks letting her down by not doing their jobs?

As to the rip-off of Anderson Cooper & RSL; note there is no defense of SB…no “Craig got it wrong”, no credible documented proof of where SB has been right. Nothing more then deflection, and a poor attempt at that.

[PastBrowneFan]

Yes Ex, Vera is Vera Espana, one of the Cardinals of Novus Spiritus, and the Director of the Saliva Browne Hypnosis scam. Sylvia rewards those who are fraudulant, I mean faithful, by giving them "leadership" roles in her various companies.

As for the Blog entry, if Sylvia did not know of this newscast then that Blog entry would not have been made. Especially since that blog has been neglected for so long. I can imagine Ben calling Michael about the interview, all the while Sylvia is screaming at the Hotel Manager in the background (afterall, she is such a pleasant person :rolleyes: )

Attention mongers? Stroking? Now Robert, I don't recall being stroked by you ever, so who in the heck are you stroking? And what attention? I feel so left out :covereyes:covereyes

If one wants to see attention mongers and stroking, look at the GSB blog, as well as as a blog site run by Wanda. They quite literally worship Sylvia, jump when the office says jump, and pander just to get the attention of anyone even remotely close to Sylvia. They are just like followers of a cult, ignoring all evidence and intellect, relying solely on emotion to protect the fraud that is known as Sylvia Browne and Novus Spiritus.

Keep the pressure on them Robert, for they are showing cracks in their exterior, and each new piece of information that comes out just puts another nail in their coffin.

Rob Samuels
Still waiting to be stroked and mongered by RSL

[ExMinister]

As for the Blog entry, if Sylvia did not know of this newscast then that Blog entry would not have been made. Especially since that blog has been neglected for so long. I can imagine Ben calling Michael about the interview, all the while Sylvia is screaming at the Hotel Manager in the background (afterall, she is such a pleasant person :rolleyes: )

Attention mongers? Stroking? Now Robert, I don't recall being stroked by you ever, so who in the heck are you stroking? And what attention? I feel so left out :covereyes:covereyes



Sheesh, he is a married man, you know!

I think Locknar had it right. I don't think Sylvia is as unaware as she might like people to think. I don't think she made it this far by being uninformed. Just my opinion, but it's always seemed to me that she has someone else (Dal, Larry, Linda, Michael, Ben, and especially "Francine," depending on what year we are talking about) come forward and make some sort of statement on her behalf to spin things the way she wants them spun, and they usually include some sort of comment about how Sylvia has been martyred or victimized and has reacted honorably against someone else's rotten behavior, and how "mad" Sylvia would be if she knew said person was saying this - or alternately, claiming that Sylvia knows nothing about it and they are just saying this out of compassion/outrage on Sylvia's behalf/whatever.

Sometimes her people do withhold information from her to "spare" her feelings or because they're afraid to tell her, but generally I've seen more of the above.

[Hawthorne]

as well as as a blog site run by Wanda

PastBrowneFan: do you have a link for this blog? I haven't seen it and would looovvvvveeee to read it.

[RSLancastr]

Vera is probably Vera Espana.Ah, Thanks.

Didn't someone say Heather was out of the picture?From what I hear, she and Paul DuFresne were on the outs for a while, which coincided with much of the time she was not posting on GSB. Then I heard there were wedding plans, and I heard that about the time that she started posting again.

If so, perhaps the blog comment was written by one of her sons. It's certainly written with arrogance. Small wonder Craig Cheatham declined to include such a snide comment on his site.I have been told that Cheatham does not decide which comments get posted.

At any rate, apparently this is the best they could come up with to try to spin it in Sylvia's favor, which is just pathetic considering the magnitude of the Shawn Hornbeck situation and the fact that she still couldn't even bring herself to utter a simple apology or expression of regret.Agreed.

That's a devastating letter. Good job, Robert, and thanks, Cheri!Thanks, Gravy.

The enemy names RSL in one sentence with Anderson Cooper. Robert is teh famous now!:rolleyes:

Many thanks to Cheri Davis and Robert!Thanks, Warheit!

As to the rip-off of Anderson Cooper & RSL; note there is no defense of SB…no “Craig got it wrong”, no credible documented proof of where SB has been right. Nothing more then deflection, and a poor attempt at that.Yup.

Attention mongers? Stroking? Now Robert, I don't recall being stroked by you ever, so who in the heck are you stroking? And what attention? I feel so left outWell, since I got married last June, my stroking priveledges have been severely curtailed. :(

If one wants to see attention mongers and stroking, look at the GSB blog, as well as as a blog site run by Wanda.Link please? I'm pretty sure I have seen it, but did not save the URL.

Sometimes her people do withhold information from her to "spare" her feelings or because they're afraid to tell her, but generally I've seen more of the above.Thanks for that run-down, Ex-M.

[PastBrowneFan]

The site ran by Wanda is called "Gnostic Friends", http://z4.invisionfree.com/Gnostic_Friends/index.php?act=idx and is a private board that requires registration. It was started and neglected by Wanda until the crap hit the fan on GSB and Karen and Wanda were removed as moderators. They got several people to jump over to their site after Heathers Birthday Party.

Here is another board run by rabid SB fans: http://sbns.justforum.net/index.htm

[PastBrowneFan]

Erroneous Double Posting.

[Hawthorne]

Boo - I don't want to register for the site but I can probably guess the nature of the content: "Sylvia is my spiritual leader! Sylvia says this, Sylvia says that, Sylvia craps daisies, Sylvia touched me and I was healed, well Sylvia said a woman president would blow up the world so I won't vote for Hilary, Sylvia farts kittens, Sylvia is the Queen on High, Sylvia makes my world go round, people should stop picking on Sylvia and get a life, we're better than everyone else because we know the truth as set down by Sylvia in her tenets and blessed be her name, Sylvia drools holy water, Sylvia is my messiah!"

[PastBrowneFan]

You forgot this: Sylvia is only human, and nobody but God is 100% accurate.

[Hawthorne]

Good catch! The old "I'll take everything she says as gospel unless she's wrong, then she's only human and we should forget she was wrong and never speak about it" excuse.

[agnosticexgnostic]

You forgot this: Sylvia is only human, and nobody but God is 100% accurate.


It took me awhile to realize that this claim really doesn't make sense when considered alongside another of Sylvia's often stated assertions: that her psychic ability/information all comes from God so that she is just the "tube" that God uses to get information through to "this side".

Ian

[PastBrowneFan]

Amazing how Sylvia does the verbal sleight of hand by saying that she is just the vessel or tube for information to come through from God, and then says that only God is 100% accurate so her information can be flawed because she is human.

I was reading some comments from rabid Sylvia fans and it amazes me how they still refuse to believe that Sylvia was wrong on more than just the Shawn Hornbeck reading, but they keep throwing out the pulled-out-of-Sylvias-Ass 80% accuracy rate in her readings, even though her staff and office can not produce any evidence that she is even 10% accurate.

Come on Sylvia, get out of the wheelchair and apologize to the families that you have lied to, to the people that you have ripped off, and to those whose lives you have toyed with.

For someoe who claims they are on a mission for God, as Sylvia does, to lie, steal, and cheat is anti-christian, anti-spiritual, unethical, immoral, and those who blindly lift her fat arse up and help her fleece people deserve any eternal, karmic action they will receive.

[wahrheit]

...

Here is another board run by rabid SB fans: http://sbns.justforum.net/index.htm

I clicked around and found a short thread about a reading with SB's son Chris (http://sbns.justforum.net/sylvia-info-news-f69/reading-with-her-son-chris-t302.htm):

My friend had a reading with Sylvia's son Chris. She was on the waiting list for 6 months so she was excited to get her chance. The office called her with her time 11pm our time and was told she would get 30 minutes with Chris on the phone. Well the day came and he talked so fast and it was only for 10 minutes but she said that was she could write down and ask him was pretty accurate. She was upset for two reasons. One was she only got 10 minutes instead of 30 and not many questions were answered and the only was that when she received her tape in the mail it was completely blank.
She wrote a letter to say what happened and is waiting to hear back from them.
I can see what she would be upset because it was $500 for 10 minutes

That sound like a story I read on "stopsylviabrowne.com"

Not bad for a "fan" forum. The word is spreading. :thumbsup:

[ExMinister]

Ten minutes instead of 30 is robbery, isn't it, at that price. Oh never mind, it's all robbery now that I think of it, if one is charging anything at all for pretending to be psychic.

When I think back to what it was like being one of the "fans," I see that anyone can think their reading is "pretty accurate," depending on what they decide to focus on. For example, I had more than one reading and out of all of those predictions only one actually happened (I became a minister). The career stuff couldn't have been more wrong. I remember an awkward moment when she evidently didn't know my older sister had died, when I asked about her, though she quickly recovered. She specifically told me I would not marry the man I actually married. In fact, she said I'd meet a light-haired man I would marry within a year (no light-haired man ever showed up). I didn't get married for another 10 years, and I married the man she said I wouldn't marry (and he has dark hair). She was wrong about my kids. But she did say that I would one day be a psychic, a healer, and that I am a mission life entity, that I care about people, and other nice things - all of which I was happy to claim to be "pretty accurate."

[Kilgore Trout]

[...] when she received her tape in the mail it was completely blank.

Probably more truth on that tape than ever uttered by a Browne.

[PastBrowneFan]

Wow, 10 whole minutes. $50 per minute. And they got a blank tape to prove how accurate he was.

Man, I am in the wrong business :rolleyes: Oh wait, I have morals and ethical values, so I would not be able to rip people off like this.

Oh well.

[TjW]

Perhaps it was a tape of all the correct predictions.

[RSLancastr]

"Sylvia Browne's Greatest Preditions"

[Amapola]

"Sylvia Browne's Greatest Preditions"

Oops! You spelled that wrong. Here, let me fix it for you: "Sylvia Browne's Greatest Predations"

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Wow, 10 whole minutes. $50 per minute. And they got a blank tape to prove how accurate he was.

Man, I am in the wrong business :rolleyes: Oh wait, I have morals and ethical values, so I would not be able to rip people off like this.

Oh well.

I know what you mean. :)

Whenever I see those prices I curse my valuing of honesty and intergrity and love of the truth. It means that I actually have to work for a living. For the rest of my life.

Then again, once I really weigh it, I don't think I'd be a good psychic. I'm only a fair cold-reader and, apart from something called morals, I don't have the requisite nerve and shamelessness.

Then, I'm better than Sylvia and way better than her son and look at the buisness they get.

[rjh01]

This new site must be a bit better than the old one, otherwise that thread would have been removed by now.

Also do we need a new thread to discuss the forum? Maybe some of these posts can join the new thread.

[ExMinister]

The site ran by Wanda is called "Gnostic Friends", http://z4.invisionfree.com/Gnostic_Friends/index.php?act=idx and is a private board that requires registration. It was started and neglected by Wanda until the crap hit the fan on GSB and Karen and Wanda were removed as moderators. They got several people to jump over to their site after Heathers Birthday Party.

Here is another board run by rabid SB fans: http://sbns.justforum.net/index.htm

Just looked at the sbns site. How sad. And frustrating. Now that Robert's site has been up for more than year and with so much evidence out there, I can't believe these sites haven't disappeared from lack of membership.

[rjh01]

Just looked at the sbns site. How sad. And frustrating. Now that Robert's site has been up for more than year and with so much evidence out there, I can't believe these sites haven't disappeared from lack of membership.

Give it time. Many people do not let unimportant things like facts stop them in their beliefs. Otherwise many things, like astrology and many religions have had no facts to back them up for several hundred years and they are still around.

Just remember it is only a small site. Nowhere as big as this site. There are even a few CT sites bigger than theirs.
Size is measured in number of posts made over a given time span or number of members who make posts over a given time span.