Obama '08- Monkey T-Shirts being sold

[Undesired Walrus]

93ti-26Av7o

'I don't see how it is offensive'

Terrible stuff.

[hgc]

Copyright infringement. The man in the yellow hat is going to sue beard off'a that guy.

[moon1969]

So will senator Robert Byrd endorse Barack Obama? :D

[BPSCG]

I wonder where they got the idea (http://www.bushorchimp.com/).

[Cleon]

yay for Georgia! :rolleyes:

(WTF is it with Cobb *********** County?!?!?!!)

[WildCat]

I wonder where they got the idea (http://www.bushorchimp.com/).
Get with the program Beeps! Only Republicans can be compared to chimps, monkeys, or other primates.

And I'm sure there will be some in this thread defending the hypocracy, and be righteously indignant in doing so.

[fuelair]

I'm not a zoologist , but I think shrub was on the right in each picture. And man were those chimps a bunch of ugly mothers!!!

[Undesired Walrus]

Get with the program Beeps! Only Republicans can be compared to chimps, monkeys, or other primates.

And I'm sure there will be some in this thread defending the hypocracy, and be righteously indignant in doing so.

WildCat, you cannot honestly be this naive.

[Redtail]

I wonder where they got the idea (http://www.bushorchimp.com/).

Yea... it must be from that silliness and couldn't possibly be from years of comparing Blacks to monkeys.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Yea... it must be from that silliness and couldn't possibly be from years of comparing Blacks to monkeys.

Darwin established that idea and his cousin Galton ran with it.

[NotJesus]

I wonder where they got the idea (http://www.bushorchimp.com/).

Of course. It has nothing to do with racism. It's just tit for tat for some silly site that mocks George W's looks.

Please tell me you had a brain fart and you're not really this stupid.

[Undesired Walrus]

Darwin established that idea and his cousin Galton ran with it.

If you want attention, head off to the religion or science subforums.

[BPSCG]

Of course. It has nothing to do with racism. It's just tit for tat for some silly site that mocks George W's looks.

Please tell me you had a brain fart and you're not really this stupid.Did I say it wasn't racist, ugly, and offensive? Please show me where.

[boloboffin]

It would be nice to live in a world where comparisons of facial features to our fellow simians was equally offensive or inoffensive. However, Republicans and other opponents of Barack Obama will make the comparison at their own peril.

A much better lookalike for Obama is that actor in the Comfort Inn's "I've Been Everywhere" campaign. He's a dead ringer for Barack Obama, and what an great association for him. That guy's a family guy, on the road, working hard, organized, thrifty, and loves Johnny Cash songs (can you get any more Appalachia than that?).

Is the owner of Comfort Inns a Democrat?

[WildCat]

WildCat, you cannot honestly be this naive.
You're right, I'm not. Posted that without looking at the vid because I was on my way out the door to go to work... it's clearly racist and not what I assumed it to be at all. :blush:

[Cleon]

Did I say it wasn't racist, ugly, and offensive? Please show me where.

No, but you did try to spin a tu quoque argument out of this involving comments made about Bush.

[Suddenly]

No, but I did read into your comment a tu quoque argument out of this involving comments made about Bush.

Here to help.

[Cleon]

Here to help.

then try to do so honestly next time, k?

[Undesired Walrus]

You're right, I'm not. Posted that without looking at the vid because I was on my way out the door to go to work... it's clearly racist and not what I assumed it to be at all. :blush:

Thank the Lords you were not that naive then!! :)

[BPSCG]

No, but you did try to spin a tu quoque argument out of this involving comments made about Bush.

Here to help.

then try to do so honestly next time, k?He didn't say he was trying to help you. :p

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Yea... it must be from that silliness and couldn't possibly be from years of comparing Blacks to monkeys.

If you want attention, head off to the religion or science subforums.

Well, if we are going to have a comment like the above than it would be prudent to examine the derivation of the idea.

[Finnegan]

Well, if we are going to have a comment like the above than it would be prudent to examine the derivation of the idea.

And you made a speculation that conveniently supported your view concerning social darwinism. Until you substantiate that speculation it will remain worthless.

[The Painter]

Is this tee shirt offensive?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/CAHUBP9Y.jpg

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Is this tee shirt offensive?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/CAHUBP9Y.jpg

Only if you are an Obama supporter.

[corplinx]

It wouldn't be offensive if it got rid of the obvious muslim identification and changed to a an "Obey Giant" style print with the same "Change you will submit to" line.

[NotJesus]

Is this tee shirt offensive?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/CAHUBP9Y.jpg

No. Just idiotic.

[Dr Adequate]

Darwin established that idea and his cousin Galton ran with it. Wouldn't you like attention for something other than being stupid and dishonest?

A reminder that name calling is not in compliance with being civil and polite.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Wouldn't you like attention for something other than being stupid and dishonest?



I receive the exact amount of attention I desire, thanks for asking.

Now, where do you think the idea that Blacks were more closely related monkeys than Whites came from?

[joobz]

Now, where do you think the idea that Blacks were more closely related monkeys than Whites came from?
racists.

[boloboffin]

Oh, my God. I am torn. I find that T-Shirt despicably heinous...

and yet I want one.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

racists.

Folks! We have a WINNER!!!


Darwin and Galton were racists that perpetrated racist ideas!

[joobz]

Folks! We have a WINNER!!!


Darwin and Galton were racists that perpetrated racist ideas!
Funny thing about science is that it evolves. Turns out we learned that such notions as race is as scientifically sound as astrology.

[Finnegan]

Folks! We have a WINNER!!!


Darwin and Galton were racists that perpetrated racist ideas!

Don't get ahead of yourself.

First substantiate your claim that the idea originated from Charles Darwin.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Don't get ahead of yourself.

First substantiate your claim that the idea originated from Charles Darwin.

You should do some more reading on your religion.


This is like talking to a Mormon that does not know that Joseph Smith found gold tablets buried in the ground.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Funny thing about science is that it evolves. Turns out we learned that such notions as race is as scientifically sound as astrology.

Thank you for your true understanding.

:)

[joobz]

Thank you for your true understanding.

:)
Why should I care if Darwin was or wasn't a racist? Does that deminish the science?

Newton was a wacko egoist. That doesn't ruin our understanding of mechanics.

The beauty of science is that it can transcend the prejudices and shortcomings. It's the reason why science papers seperate results from discussion. We attempt to present the data in as pure a state as possible, so that the interpretations given in discussion don't taint them. If it turns out the discussion section is wrong, well at least the data can be reinterpreted.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Why should I care if Darwin was or wasn't a racist? Does that deminish the science?


You should not. It does not. We disagree about the conclusions of the science and that is O.K. The thing is, many are defending the Priests of the Faith and this is what a religion does. You and I disagree, others defend the faith. See the difference?

[Whiplash]

The man who made this shirt is a idiot and I'm ashamed to share the same political ideals as people like him. Ashamed and disgusted.

[Dr Adequate]

I receive the exact amount of attention I desire, thanks for asking. I wasn't asking about the quantity of attention, but the quality. Wouldn't you rather have admiration and appreciation than contempt, ridicule, and disgust?

Now, where do you think the idea that Blacks were more closely related monkeys than Whites came from? I presume from grossly stupid people with diseased minds failing totally to understand the theory of evolution.

Certainly you cannot quote Darwin as saying that "Blacks were more closely related monkeys than Whites came from", partly because he knew that this was stupid, and partly because the man was literate.

[Dr Adequate]

You should not. It does not. We disagree about the conclusions of the science and that is O.K. Well, if you're happy to be wrong, I guess that's OK. If not, you might want to check out what conclusions "science" has drawn, or, failing that, scientists.

The thing is, many are defending the Priests of the Faith and this is what a religion does. You and I disagree, others defend the faith. See the difference? Yes, I see the difference --- if you, from a standpoint of complete ignorance, were to obsessively spam the forums pretending that two plus two is five, and I were to point out that it's four, then apparently I would be "defending the Priests of the Faith and this is what a religion does".

In your bizarre alternative reality, anyway.

[Lonewulf]

No. Just idiotic.Pretty much, but what else is new?

This whole politics forum seems to have just one idiotic high-ho pseudo-patriotic statement after another. Not to mention the ridiculous mud slinging that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.








Actually, I think I just described politics in general...

[BPSCG]

Wouldn't you rather have admiration and appreciation than contempt, ridicule, and disgust?Bah, some of us live for contempt, ridicule, and disgust. See my sig lines. :)

[Ocelot]

Galton certainly had some funny ideas about race, I'm not aware that the same could be said for Darwin. I don't suppose Jerome would care to substantiate.

[varwoche]

Is this tee shirt offensive?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/CAHUBP9Y.jpg Seeing as it propagates the lie that Obama is muslim, it should be offensive to anyone who values the truth, e.g. skeptics.

(I'm pretty sure that Debbie Schlussel (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/01/obama_debunking.html) wouldn't find it offensive however.)

[chipmunk stew]

Is this tee shirt offensive?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Lexapro/CAHUBP9Y.jpg
Oh, my God. I am torn. I find that T-Shirt despicably heinous...

and yet I want one.
The idea behind it is so ridiculous that it comes off as satire. I want one too.

Seeing as it propagates the lie that Obama is muslim, it should be offensive to anyone who values the truth, e.g. skeptics.

(I'm pretty sure that Debbie Schlussel (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/01/obama_debunking.html) wouldn't find it offensive however.)

It's not just the lie that he's a Muslim. It's the lie that he's a crypto-Muslim Manchurian candidate who will institute Sharia law and give nukes to terrorists. It ought to be offensive, but the idea is so breathtakingly stupid that I find it hilarious instead.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Seeing as it propagates the lie that Obama is muslim, it should be offensive to anyone who values the truth, e.g. skeptics.

(I'm pretty sure that Debbie Schlussel (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/01/obama_debunking.html) wouldn't find it offensive however.)

Muslims consider him Muslim. He was born into the religion and is considered an apostate.

Do you not think that this is a factor?

[varwoche]

Muslims consider him Muslim. He was born into the religion and is considered an apostate.

Do you not think that this is a factor? Of course not. That would be patently ridiculous, to put it politely.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Of course not. That would be patently ridiculous, to put it politely.

You do not think that the religion that America is at war with deems Obama an apostate to their religion is relevant.


:jaw-dropp


ETA: The world is not a role-playing game, other's thoughts are relevant to the future.

[KoihimeNakamura]

It's not relevant. Or, to put it this way, you cant' elect Ron Paul because the majority of the world thinks he's insane.

See why this is a bad idea?

[hgc]

Muslims consider him Muslim. He was born into the religion and is considered an apostate.


Evidence?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Evidence?

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

[Cleon]

NY TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

That's evidence that another non-Muslim, in addition to yourself, thinks that Muslims consider him to be a Muslim apostate.

That's not evidence that Muslims actually do think that.

[fagin]

You do not think that the religion that America is at war with deems Obama an apostate to their religion is relevant.


:jaw-dropp


ETA: The world is not a role-playing game, other's thoughts are relevant to the future.

The USA is at war with Islam? Really?
Please try not to bomb my house in the UK - I live next to a mosque.

Seriously Jerome - do you think before you open your mouth?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

That's evidence that another non-Muslim, in addition to yourself, thinks that Muslims consider him to be a Muslim apostate.

That's not evidence that Muslims actually do think that.

Islamic Family Law (http://books.google.com/books?id=goEwYQVb6HIC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=muslim+by+birth&source=web&ots=eILYpmFlw4&sig=Z36orU-z4VpFlGkolPnvMfQoJdU&hl=en)

A person may also be a Muslim by birth. A child is Muslim by birth if his father is a Muslim.

Penalties for Apostasy in Islam (http://www.light-of-life.com/eng/ilaw/)

The same holds true when a Muslim enters a church, worships an idol, or learns and practises magic, for by magic one glorifies a name other than Allah and ascribes predestination, knowledge and control of fate to someone other than Allah.


Yep, according to Muslim law Obama is an apostate Muslim.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

The USA is at war with Islam? Really?
Please try not to bomb my house in the UK - I live next to a mosque.

Seriously Jerome - do you think before you open your mouth?

Tell that to the victims of the London bombings by those English born citizens that perpetrated the act.

[fagin]

Tell that to the victims of the London bombings by those English born citizens that perpetrated the act.
Jerome, I'm typing slowly so you can understand.
There are a number of US citizens who are muslim. You are therefore at war with yourselves. Do you inter them or simply shoot them?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Jerome, I'm typing slowly so you can understand.
There are a number of US citizens who are muslim. You are therefore at war with yourselves. Do you inter them or simply shoot them?

We did not inter of shoot Koreans during that war, why would we now?


Why did those British citizens, born and breed, perpetrate the London bombings?

[fagin]

We did not inter of shoot Koreans during that war, why would we now?


Why did those British citizens, born and breed, perpetrate the London bombings?

Because they were/are insane, in my opinion, but that's got nothing to do with it.

You stated that the US is at war with Islam. Either you are or you are not.

(Hint - you're not)

[fagin]

ps there were also a few muslims in the UK who didn't blow anything up that day.

[fagin]

And those bombers were British, so who should we go to war with? Ourselves?

[Cleon]

Islamic Family Law (http://books.google.com/books?id=goEwYQVb6HIC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=muslim+by+birth&source=web&ots=eILYpmFlw4&sig=Z36orU-z4VpFlGkolPnvMfQoJdU&hl=en)



Penalties for Apostasy in Islam (http://www.light-of-life.com/eng/ilaw/)




Yep, according to Muslim law Obama is an apostate Muslim.

You have yet to provide any evidence that Muslims consider Obama to be an apostate.

Any Imam calling him such? An editorial in a Muslim newspaper?

According to your interpretation, he's an apostate. That doesn't mean Muslims actually think that.

Shouldn't be hard to find. Obama's pretty high-profile these days.


Unless, of course, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

[fagin]

Jerome, where are you?

Looks like the Muslims got him.

Such is war.

[Finnegan]

Tell that to the victims of the London bombings by those English born citizens that perpetrated the act.

Which the Muslim Council of Great Britain immediately condemned.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

You have yet to provide any evidence that Muslims consider Obama to be an apostate.

According to your interpretation, he's an apostate. That doesn't mean Muslims actually think that.

Ahh, got it!

The Muslim law is not relevant!!!

[JEROME DA GNOME]

You guys really do not have any idea how long this religious war has been waged.


:covereyes

[Cleon]

Ahh, got it!

No, you don't.

Do you have any evidence of Muslims calling Obama an apostate?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

No, you don't.

Do you have any evidence of Muslims calling Obama an apostate?

I presented Muslim Law.


Are you now contending that Muslims do not follow their law?

[Cleon]

I presented Muslim Law.


Are you now contending that Muslims do not follow their law?

If Obama is indeed an apostate according to Muslim law, surely some Muslim leader out there has noted this fact?

Why you refuse to present any evidence of your claim is a mystery to me.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Why you refuse to present any evidence of your claim is a mystery to me.

I presented Muslim Law.

Are you now contending that Muslims do not follow their law?

[Cleon]

I presented Muslim Law.

Are you now contending that Muslims do not follow their law?

That's not even clever.

Either put up, or shut up. Provide evidence of your claim.

[KoihimeNakamura]

Grr, Jerome's up to his old tricks again.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

That's not even clever.

Either put up, or shut up. Provide evidence of your claim.

I presented Muslim Law.

Are you now contending that Muslims do not follow their law?

[Cleon]

I presented Muslim Law.

Are you now contending that Muslims do not follow their law?

Odd, the way you can't seem to find any actual Muslims calling Obama an apostate.

Of course, the repetition act is childish, but you seem to have nothing else to stand on.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I presented Muslim Law.

Are you now contending that Muslims do not follow their law?

It's okay, he's stuck in a loop now. Move along.

[Cleon]

You're right, TB. Waste of time.


Have at it, Jerome.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Odd, the way you can't seem to find any actual Muslims calling Obama an apostate.

Just the Muslim law, your only defense here is to claim that Muslims do not follow their law.



Obama is considered by Muslim law a Muslim and an apostate.

[Cleon]

Just the Muslim law, your only defense here is to claim that Muslims do not follow their law.

It's not my claim to defend. It's yours.


Obama is considered by Muslim law a Muslim and an apostate.


And yet, you can't find any Muslims actually calling him an apostate.

Funny, that.

[varwoche]

And yet, you can't find any Muslims actually calling him an apostate. What's worse, even if there were Muslims calling him an apostate it wouldn't mean squat and Jerome would still be out to lunch.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Obama supporters have to be the most blinded of the religious people I have ever met.

These people are the worst kind of theists, those that think they are not.

[Cleon]

Obama supporters have to be the most blinded of the religious people I have ever met.

These people are the worst kind of theists, those that think they are not.

And the icing on the cake. :D

I'm not an Obama supporter, Jerome.

And I'm well aware I'm a theist, thankyouverymuch.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

And the icing on the cake. :D

I'm not an Obama supporter, Jerome.

And I'm well aware I'm a theist, thankyouverymuch.

I was not directing anything towards you.



By the way, do Muslims follow Muslim law?

[Cleon]

I was not directing anything towards you.


Oh, of course not. :D :D :D

I still don't have any evidence of Muslims calling Obama an apostate.

Fixed. Yes, I know.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

False quote presented in Jerome's name:

I still don't have any evidence of Muslims calling Obama an apostate.

The Muslim LAW calls Obama both a Muslim and an apostate.


ETA: I know that we in America willy-nilly about our religious law, but you must understand that America is only a small part of humanity.

[Cleon]

The Muslim LAW calls Obama both a Muslim and an apostate.

So if that's so, why can't you find any Muslims calling him an apostate?

I don't understand why you keep shying away from this. It should be simple, no?

[KoihimeNakamura]

Because it's too simple.

[varwoche]

Obama supporters have to be the most blinded of the religious people I have ever met.

These people are the worst kind of theists, those that think they are not.Allow me to try to demonstrate how phenomonally misguided you are:

Suppose some whacked out religion decides that JEROME DA GNOME is a member. Let's say Scientology. They've issued an edict making you a member ... OT7 no less.

(It should be noted that the evidence that you are a Scientologist is roughly on par to the evidence you've provided that Obama is considered an apostate by Muslims. But I digress.)

If I know for a fact that you're not a Scientologist, is it fair of me to pin it on you? (Answer: Of course not. Duh.)

(Seriously, are you like 12 years old or something?)

[Ocelot]

Jerome,

I'm no expert on muslim law, I certianly don't know all of it. I don't know what exceptions might be made that you haven't quoted. I don't know how judiciously it is applied in practice.

It certainly seems that a simplistic interpretation of what you posted is that Obama is apostate. I certainly wouldn't be supprised to find at least one Muslim considers Obama apostate.

However it doesn't take too much thinking to come up with an alternative interpretation. A the son of a muslim must be raised muslim but that is a burden upon the parents rather than the child. Barack's father failed to raise him Muslim, in fact he failed to remain Muslim himself and even abandoned the family. It seem a reasonable perspective that Sharia law would take issue with Barrack's father but not Barrack as Barrack has never been a Muslim.

If Barack has attested "Allah is the only god and Mohammed is his prophet" then that's all it takes to become a Muslim. To later change his religion he would eb considered appostate. I have no evidence that this happened.

In searching for claims that Obama is appostate I've foudn only non-muslims interpretting muslim law. Excuse me if I find that suspicious but I do. I really do.

[Dr Adequate]

Meanwhile,here's a dingbat (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7688) complaining that Obama must be a secret Muslim or someone would have condemned him as an apostate by now.

You will notice that this reasoning requires that every mullah, imam, ayatollah and what-have-you must be in on his little secret.

[Lonewulf]

We did not inter of shoot Koreans during that war, why would we now?I should hope not. South Korea was an ally.

I really wish they would put more education back in schools, especially history class.

In joining a war between South and North Korea, and picking the side of South, it makes very little sense to judge your enemy based on race -- which is precisely what you are doing here. Both sides have the exact same racial identity.

We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with Islamic Extremists that seek to attack us. Personally, I have Tunisian students and similar students that follow Muslim teachings in my school. They are not, nor ever will be my, enemy. Hell, I go to parties with these guys, and one of them did me a favor I'll never forget.

You really need to get your head out of the world of black and white, and put it in the real one.

[fagin]

Still waiting for some nmore info on the war between the USA and Islam Jerome

[fagin]

Especially the ones in the mosque next to my house.