Not another Truther Video!!!!!!!!

[Thunder]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/258078/1/#new

I guess thats what this whole thing is really about. Making digital videos, making money, getting attention....and making sure nothing is ever really accomplished.

Its like the war in Iraq. If peace prevails, we come home and the corporations stop making money. If 9-11 truth prevails, they stop making videos and money!!

=)

[Furi]

Sounds Like a case of BIGTRUTHER squashing rational thought and personal progress

[Oliver]

Sorry, Parky - but the link doesn't work:

"Your access to this board has been blocked by the administration."

Did they ban whole Germany again? ... I never registered/posted at their new board ...

[Edmund Standing]

This is old news. But anyway, here's the official site:

http://zero911movie.com/

[A W Smith]

this cracked me up
I've seen a torrent version of this documentary. It's audio was a few seconds
out of sync but the production was still effective.

This is probably the most polished and professional looking 9/11 documentary
that I've seen.

MM

[Brainster]

Here's a review of the film (http://www.911blogger.com/node/15688) by Reprehensor, the guy in charge of 9-11 Blogger. Jon Ronson's old buddy, Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine makes an appearance, as does my favorite Munchkin:

Zero spends about 20 minutes on Pentagon anomalies, with observations from Russ Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, and Albert Stubblebine. (Here, I wince, because I have seen Stubblebine's performance in Jon Ronson's film, "The Men Who Stare at Goats", and I still shudder with incredulity as I visualize Stubblebine failing to dematerialize and walk through a wall.)

I took a look at the 15-minute preview; it's nothing we haven't seen before. I loved that they open up with "Osama's wanted poster doesn't mention 9-11"; the sacred list evidence is probably the easiest to debunk.

[T.A.M.]

Do we have a "sacred list" posted somewhere? I have heard it mentioned a few times, and can imagine what is on it, but is there an actual "list"?

TAM:)

[theauthor]

I mentioned this before. It is the best film i have seen on the subject. It reportedly had a 1.5 million dollar budget and was the one that was shown at the european parliament.

By the way, the audio delay in the torrent version is nothing to do with the film maker. Somebody encoded and compressed the video into 4 mp4 segments which is why the audio is bad.

I was going to upload the whole film to google video but I simply couldnt sort out the audio. By the time I joined the clips there was something like a 4 second delay.

[uk_dave]

I mentioned this before. It is the best film i have seen on the subject. It reportedly had a 1.5 million dollar budget and was the one that was shown at the european parliament.



Ahhhhh that must be why the European parliament voted for sanction against the US in order to force them to conduct a new investigation into.... what?.... what? No sanctions? But...but....THE FILM!! It had a 1.5 million dollar budget....and the evidence is obvious....

...oh the humanity.

[T.A.M.]

I mentioned this before. It is the best film i have seen on the subject. It reportedly had a 1.5 million dollar budget and was the one that was shown at the european parliament.

By the way, the audio delay in the torrent version is nothing to do with the film maker. Somebody encoded and compressed the video into 4 mp4 segments which is why the audio is bad.

I was going to upload the whole film to google video but I simply couldnt sort out the audio. By the time I joined the clips there was something like a 4 second delay.

So am I to assume, based on your signature link, that you support that insane hate filled Asswipe, Kevin Barrett, for congress?

You know he has called for anyone who was involved in your alleged CT, as well as those who defend the OT (that would be us here at JREF I guess) to "hang in the gallows".

So you support him, I guess we can assume you support his suggestions???

TAM

[theauthor]

So am I to assume, based on your signature link, that you support that insane hate filled Asswipe, Kevin Barrett, for congress?

You know he has called for anyone who was involved in your alleged CT, as well as those who defend the OT (that would be us here at JREF I guess) to "hang in the gallows".

So you support him, I guess we can assume you support his suggestions???

TAM


Please don't assume, it makes an ass out of u and me.

I don't support Kevin Barrett atall.

But there is yet another double standard. I have seen people on SLC saying they hope all truthers die of cancer. I assume that, because you post at SLC, you support them.

[Brainster]

Do we have a "sacred list" posted somewhere? I have heard it mentioned a few times, and can imagine what is on it, but is there an actual "list"?

TAM:)

The concept of the Sacred List is something I came up with. Basically the "Truthers" seem to believe that the evil gubbermint was willing to kill thousands of people on 9-11, but for some reason they won't change some list somewhere and because of that, it's proven that 9-11 was an inside job. Examples of the sacred list:

1. The fact that the tail numbers on two of the planes (I forget which) weren't listed as "destroyed" in the FAA database until 2005.

2. The fact that Todd Beamer (and many other 9-11 victims) is not listed in the Social Security Death Index.

3. Obama's wanted poster doesn't mention 9-11. (Not technically a list, but the same principle).

4. The hijackers names weren't included in the "flight manifests" (of course, these were actually victim's lists).

5. The lack of autopsy records for the hijackers on Flight 77.

6. The fact that Barbara Olson's phone calls weren't included in the Moussaoui trial flash animation.

7. The claim that neither Flight 11 nor Flight 77 were scheduled for 9-11 per a BTS list.

8. The claim that the NTSB never investigated the plane crashes (that they aren't on a list of investigations).

Of course, there are simple reasons why all these lists were not updated, which you can carefully explain. But I prefer to use the "Argument from Increduly" (as Craig Ranke put it).

"Let me get this straight; elements at the highest level of the US government were complicit in the attacks that killed thousands of people, but they were too afraid to change a list somewhere?"

[Viper Daimao]

Please don't assume, it makes an ass out of u and me.

I don't support Kevin Barrett atall.

But there is yet another double standard. I have seen people on SLC saying they hope all truthers die of cancer. I assume that, because you post at SLC, you support them.


do you have a link to slc bloggers wishing people die of cancer? Would help you prove your point.


Still I was really hoping this was going to be like "Not Another Teen Movie".

[Edmund Standing]

I took a look at Barrett's site, and see that on this page (http://www.barrettforcongress.us/bio.htm) he offers a link (http://www.radiodujour.com/hosts/barrett_kevin/) to 'some of my best shows', which include:

Friday December 21, 2007

Kevin Barrett Talks With We Are Change's Luke Rudkowski About Organizational Structure, Appropriate Activist Behavior And Linkage Of 9/11 To The New World Order


:D

[Viper Daimao]

I took a look at Barrett's site, and see that on this page (http://www.barrettforcongress.us/bio.htm) he offers a link (http://www.radiodujour.com/hosts/barrett_kevin/) to 'some of my best shows', which include:

Friday December 21, 2007

Kevin Barrett Talks With We Are Change's Luke Rudkowski About Organizational Structure, Appropriate Activist Behavior And Linkage Of 9/11 To The New World Order


:D

Probably studying how to counter this (http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=231).

[Edmund Standing]

I don't support Kevin Barrett atall.

Then why have you got his URL in your sig? Do you place links to random troofer sites you don't even agree with in there from time to time just for the hell of it or something?

[Edmund Standing]

Probably studying how to counter this (http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=231).

:D LMAO!

[beachnut]

I mentioned this before. It is the best film i have seen on the subject. It reportedly had a 1.5 million dollar budget and was the one that was shown at the european parliament.
No evidence, just hearsay and fantasy. Why do you have a hard time identifying facts?

In this video they quote mine and use hearsay to make their failed points.

"The building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners" Frank De Martini WTC construction manager. This video is like the rest they quote mine a person who had zero to do with the original design of the WTC and do not explain that this is pure hearsay!

Then they fail to mention the impact energy and the fact these impacts were 7 to 11 times greater than the design study done by Robertson the actual chief structural engineer of the WTC.

Another pathetic video just like the one you like so much. Hearsay and Dr Jones in this video prove it is trash; like the video you like, just pure junk. Enjoy your lack of knowledge on this subject and your ability to think lies are the truth; maturity and knowledge will set in and destroy your fantasy.

[aggle-rithm]

Did they ban whole Germany again?

Heh!

[aggle-rithm]

But there is yet another double standard. I have seen people on SLC saying they hope all truthers die of cancer.

Wait a minute. Is that really an option?

[aggle-rithm]

I mentioned this before. It is the best film i have seen on the subject.


Way to damn it with faint praise.

[theauthor]

do you have a link to slc bloggers wishing people die of cancer? Would help you prove your point.


Still I was really hoping this was going to be like "Not Another Teen Movie".


I didn't say SLC bloggers, I said people who post on SLC.

That kooky Senator in Arizona just implied the phone calls we faked. Yep...stupid, stupid family members.

May you get the most painful form of cancer and die in complete agony you sick bitch.
troyfromwv | Homepage | 05.05.08 - 1:21 pm | #


http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=%20screwloosechange%20&comment=6044265146145462495

[Civilized Worm]

Troy is a nut, everyone thinks he's a nut and none of us want to see him in congress.

[Viper Daimao]

I didn't say SLC bloggers, I said people who post on SLC.




http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=%20screwloosechange%20&comment=6044265146145462495

then that's pretty lame to use that to say there's a double standard isn't it?

[theauthor]

Troy is a nut, everyone thinks he's a nut and none of us want to see him in congress.


He isn't the only example. I'm trying to find another quote where another poster said that they wanted all truthers to die of cancer. I know I saw it but it was a while back.

[theauthor]

then that's pretty lame to use that to say there's a double standard isn't it?

Well, the comment wasn't deleted by Pat or James, Troy hasn't been banned, and people like TAm continue to post there so i can only ASSUME that they support what Troy said.

[eromitlab]

I didn't say SLC bloggers, I said people who post on SLC.




http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=%20screwloosechange%20&comment=6044265146145462495

So by people, you mean person. Same kind of logic that lets you think the "truth" movement is still growing, eh?

[Finnegan]

He isn't the only example. I'm trying to find another quote where another poster said that they wanted all truthers to die of cancer. I know I saw it but it was a while back.

Can we all come to a consensus, then, that we wish no harm on eachother and condemn anyone who threatens rather than debates. Troy and Kevin Barrett are persona non grata.

[steve s]

"The building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners" Frank De Martini WTC construction manager.


This video is like the rest they quote mine a person who had zero to do with the original design of the WTC and do not explain that this is pure hearsay!

Then they fail to mention the impact energy and the fact these impacts were 7 to 11 times greater than the design study done by Robertson the actual chief structural engineer of the WTC.



They also fail to mention that the towers stood for nearly an hour after the planes hit, which means that they withstood the initial impacts pretty well. If it hadn't been for the fires weakening the steel, they might still be standing today.

Steve S.

[theauthor]

Are any of the debunkers actually going to watch the film before criticising it?

[johnny karate]

Are any of the Truthers actually going to do something constructive besides make Youtube videos?

[beachnut]

Are any of the Truthers actually going to do something constructive besides make Youtube videos?
When will they contain evidence and not just fake and false information?

They are perfect examples of hearsay based junk. So if you have class of kids who need to understand faulty logic, flawed research, and hearsay; show them these videos packed with junk ideas of 9/11 truth.

[Comsat Angel]

Well, the comment wasn't deleted by Pat or James, Troy hasn't been banned, and people like TAm continue to post there so i can only ASSUME that they support what Troy said.

Sigh.
Pat and James do not - let me repeat that - DO NOT - delete or censor any posts over on Screw Loose Change.
Are you getting this, theauthor? They-do-not-delete-posts-no-matter-what-they-contain.
Yes, this is completely different from JREF. Here on JREF you can deny the Holocaust existed, but you can't swear. Over on Screw Loose Change you can be as sweary as you like. The posts about inflicting cancer that you refer to are probably by that noble person "Anonymous", who regularly crops up to inflict excessive invective upon both sides in the argument.

Let me illustrate a Twoofer post: " no, i wasn't aware of that.

what i was aware of, on the other hand, that 80% of 'debunkers' are military pieces of sellout trash who will do anything for some trinkets

***** you you're insane.
Anonymous | 05.20.08 - 6:09 pm | # (http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user= screwloosechange &comment=4911417207326485568#150460) "

That's the level of the opposition over at SLC. Okay, enough for me, I've got to go polish me brass hand ...

[Brainster]

Sigh.
Pat and James do not - let me repeat that - DO NOT - delete or censor any posts over on Screw Loose Change.

I delete comments occasionally when I get annoyed enough, but it is not unusual for there to be 100 comments or more on any given post, and we probably have 4-5 posts on an average weekday, so it would be tough to screen them all. I have blocked a few IPs from posting but Haloscan only allows you to ban something like 15 IPs before you have to unban somebody to ban somebody new, and lots of people know how to use proxy servers to get around the ban anyway.

I will remove death threats (no, "I hope you get cancer and die" is not a death threat), and any comments with personal information like phone numbers or addresses, always assuming I see them. But I accept no obligation to do so.

[johnny karate]

I mentioned this before. It is the best film i have seen on the subject. It reportedly had a 1.5 million dollar budget and was the one that was shown at the european parliament.

Why would someone who believes that 9/11 was an inside job spend 1.5 million dollars making a film?

[gc051360]

Well, the comment wasn't deleted by Pat or James, Troy hasn't been banned, and people like TAm continue to post there so i can only ASSUME that they support what Troy said.

You have a Barrett for congress link in your sig.

eta: If TAM had a "support-for-troy-the-poster.us" in his sig....you may have a point.

[Redtail]

"Nobel Prize winner Dario Fo"?!?!?:jaw-dropp

[fullflavormenthol]

You know one of the things that really bothers me is the fact the troofers really love to put audio of victims begging for help right before they die. It is really sick, and it shows an overall lack of respect or connection to reality surrounding the events of 9-11. Zeitgeist was the first trash I saw do this, and it is real great that this new filth does it in the first few minutes of the movie. This "film" is nothing new. It is just more snuff porn for the troofer to enjoy, basically the troofer version of Faces of Death.

As for as its budget. Well I have seen so many troof film makers to so little with so much money. Who knows what here cost 1.5 million, but I have seen films made for a fraction of this that look better.

[OldTigerCub]

The concept of the Sacred List is something I came up with. Basically the "Truthers" seem to believe that the evil gubbermint was willing to kill thousands of people on 9-11, but for some reason they won't change some list somewhere and because of that, it's proven that 9-11 was an inside job. Examples of the sacred list:

1. The fact that the tail numbers on two of the planes (I forget which) weren't listed as "destroyed" in the FAA database until 2005.

2. The fact that Todd Beamer (and many other 9-11 victims) is not listed in the Social Security Death Index.

3. Obama's wanted poster doesn't mention 9-11. (Not technically a list, but the same principle).

4. The hijackers names weren't included in the "flight manifests" (of course, these were actually victim's lists).

5. The lack of autopsy records for the hijackers on Flight 77.

6. The fact that Barbara Olson's phone calls weren't included in the Moussaoui trial flash animation.

7. The claim that neither Flight 11 nor Flight 77 were scheduled for 9-11 per a BTS list.

8. The claim that the NTSB never investigated the plane crashes (that they aren't on a list of investigations).

Of course, there are simple reasons why all these lists were not updated, which you can carefully explain. But I prefer to use the "Argument from Increduly" (as Craig Ranke put it).

"Let me get this straight; elements at the highest level of the US government were complicit in the attacks that killed thousands of people, but they were too afraid to change a list somewhere?"
Psssssst!!!
A little freudian slip there, Pat?;)
(Bolding and underline mine)

Could the fact that the serial numbers of the FDRs from flights 77 and 93 don't show up in the prosocution exhbits also be included in that list?

[Brainster]

"Nobel Prize winner Dario Fo"?!?!?:jaw-dropp

Yes, he's a Nobel Prize Winner in Structural Engineering.

:dl:

Oh, sorry, he's a Nobel Prize Winner in Literature (and a playwright, specifically). But he does look rather impressive standing there before some blueprints.

Also, this movie appears to venture into new territory for Truthers, Quote-Creating instead of Quote-Mining. Frank De Martini did not say what he's quoted as saying.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_97774834c1d4df271.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12307)

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bDGInaB0eQM&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bDGInaB0eQM&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Looks like this movie lives down to the typical "Truther" standards of honesty.

[Brainster]

Psssssst!!!
A little freudian slip there, Pat?;)
(Bolding and underline mine)

Could the fact that the serial numbers of the FDRs from flights 77 and 93 don't show up in the prosocution exhbits also be included in that list?

Crap, too late to edit now. David Wong will chalk it up to my irrational lack of support for change.

Yeah, the FDR serial numbers were mentioned by Griffin the other night; forgot about that one. There are more out there. Like I say, use the argument from "increduly" on those!

[Brainster]

Amateur hour: at 8:08 they show the initiation of the North Tower collapse. But after showing (correctly) the top part of that collapse, they cut to a street-level view. And they show the South Tower collapse. DOH!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_97774834c808d71cd.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12308)

See that building at the left? It's the North Tower. Jeez, these guys are really winging it.

[WildCat]

Why would someone who believes that 9/11 was an inside job spend 1.5 million dollars making a film?
This is the same group that cries that they can't afford the $2,000 to buy the computer program NIST used for their calculations.

[theauthor]

This is the same group that cries that they can't afford the $2,000 to buy the computer program NIST used for their calculations.

Where did they cry that?

[CHF]

I mentioned this before. It is the best film i have seen on the subject.

Is this the movie that features a cartoon of missile batteries popping up out of the Pentagon lawn?

[Redtail]

Yes, he's a Nobel Prize Winner in Structural Engineering.

:dl:

Oh, sorry, he's a Nobel Prize Winner in Literature (and a playwright, specifically). But he does look rather impressive standing there before some blueprints.



I studied a lot of his work in grad school. I spent 20 min. googlin because I was thinking "there HAS to be two Nobel prize winners named "Dario Fo".

[Tbone]

Well, the comment wasn't deleted by Pat or James, Troy hasn't been banned, and people like TAm continue to post there so i can only ASSUME that they support what Troy said.

So since you post here, and haven't been banned, and R. Mackey posts here, I can only assume that you support everything that Mackey has said and ever will say as long as you are still a member here while he is.

Deal?

[theauthor]

Is this the movie that features a cartoon of missile batteries popping up out of the Pentagon lawn?

Why do you keep saying that?

[CHF]

Why do you keep saying that?

Because Zero reportedly shows missiles popping up out of the Pentagon lawn.

So...does it?

[theauthor]

Because Zero reportedly shows missiles popping up out of the Pentagon lawn.

So...does it?

No.

[OldTigerCub]

Crap, too late to edit now. David Wong will chalk it up to my irrational lack of support for change.

Yeah, the FDR serial numbers were mentioned by Griffin the other night; forgot about that one. There are more out there. Like I say, use the argument from "increduly" on those!

Don't feel too bad. I seem to have flunked my spelling test on "prosocution" and "exhbits" now that I re-read the post....:o

[CHF]

Oh right, you're thinking of this movie (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/05/less-than-zero.html).

- they fabricate a quote from an engineer
- show Jones comparing the WTC to a tree
- confuse the N and S tower collapses
- allow Morgan Reynolds to make an appearance

Looks like another top-quality production, theauthor. I can see why you like it.

[Jonnyclueless]

Is it true that every time a bell rings, a truther makes another youtube video?

[theauthor]

Oh right, you're thinking of this movie (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/05/less-than-zero.html).

- they fabricate a quote from an engineer
- show Jones comparing the WTC to a tree
- confuse the N and S tower collapses
- allow Morgan Reynolds to make an appearance

Looks like another top-quality production, theauthor. I can see why you like it.


You still haven't watched it. Come back when you have.

[CHF]

You still haven't watched it. Come back when you have.

I don't speak Italian, but the first 15 minutes (in English) looks like the same ol' crap.

What did you see that was so amazing? (I mean aside from the fact that the filmmakers were retarded enough to include Morgan no-planer Reynolds, which I'm sure amazed you as much as it did me).

I haven't seen the Pentagon part yet so we'll see if those cartoon missiles make an appearence (they were mentioned on SLC in a review by someone who saw the flick in Italy).

[Walter Ego]

Originally Posted by theauthor
I mentioned this before. It is the best film i have seen on the subject. It reportedly had a 1.5 million dollar budget and was the one that was shown at the european parliament.


Yes, the film was a big hit (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=108492&highlight=European+Parliament)at the European Parliament. One thousand international journalists were invited to the screening. Zero came, a shortfall of 100%. Six EP representatives (out of 600) attended.


I guess that's why they called it 'Zero.' :D

[Walter Ego]

Well, the comment wasn't deleted by Pat or James, Troy hasn't been banned, and people like TAm continue to post there so i can only ASSUME that they support what Troy said.


Well, you haven't deleted the link for Barrett for Congress in your sig so I will ASS-UME you support every single thing Barrett says on every conceivable subject. :D

Troy (who is banned on this forum, btw) is becoming an increasingly loose cannon going from prank phone calls to outright harassment of truthers (including a 15 year-old boy and his parents) and I, for one, don’t support him.

[A W Smith]

Well, the comment wasn't deleted by Pat or James, Troy hasn't been banned, and people like TAm continue to post there so i can only ASSUME that they support what Troy said.

Troy has not been banned from SLC? You need to get your head out of your nether regions.

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?showuser=1602

[Walter Ego]

Troy has not been banned from SLC? You need to get your head out of your nether regions.

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?showuser=1602


He means the comments on the Screw Loose Change blog, not the SLC forum. To my knowledge, Troy has been banned from every moderated forum related to 9/11 he's posted on. He was banned on this forum (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=71555) for threatening another member via PM.

.

[OldTigerCub]

Yes, the film was a big hit (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=108492&highlight=European+Parliament)at the European Parliament. One thousand international journalists were invited to the screening. Zero came, a shortfall of 100%. Six EP representatives (out of 600) attended.

I guess that's why they called it 'Zero.' :D

But, hey, it got rave reviews from....oh, who am I kidding...it sucked...911 was still an inside job

[Brainster]

Well, the comment wasn't deleted by Pat or James, Troy hasn't been banned, and people like TAm continue to post there so i can only ASSUME that they support what Troy said.

If you have a problem with the comments section at SLC I suggest you take it up there with us. I do not recall your nick over there. Doh?

[chillzero]

Please don't drag issues about other forums into this one. Keep it on topic, and civil, please.